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Numbers, percentage losses at more than we are right now but a few minutes ago we were in the 6 as a percentage loss. we have to go back to 2008 to see numbers like that. it was 7.7 and on september 29th, 6.98. and they were obvious. you knew in september of 2008 why the dow was doing what it was doing because nobody trusted anybody and nobody was lending to anyone and the bottom falling out of the financial and economic world as we knew it. and were at a different place. >> and there was the da...