BBCNEWS HARDtalk March 16, 2022 00:36:00
So what do we do? so were back into 1938. what were going to do... we dont want any trouble here. but youre arguing for escalation and yet youre also sitting on the fence, saying, "oh, im not really arguing for escalation." and when they say, "we dont want escalation," you say, "oh, think about it." no, no, no, slow it down. what we do is we take one decision at a time and you recognise the escalatory ladder and you control where youre going. you test the waters, you see what response there is. ...
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