this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for not just four or eight years, but some of the important decisions we have to make at home and around the world to energy and so much else. so there is a lot at stake. it's one of the most consequential elections we had. that's why i tried to put forth specific policies and plans. try to get it off of the personal and put it on to what it is on i want to do as president. that's why i hope people will check on that for themselves. so they can see that yes, i spent 30 years, actually a little more, working to help kids and families and i want to take that experience to the white house and do that every single day. >> mr. trump? >> well, i consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. i don't know if it was meant to be a compliment, but i'm proud of my children. they have done a wonderful job and they have been wonderful kids. i consider that a compliment. i will say that about hillary.
because of that tape. >> he spoke for 40 minutes and 10 seconds and hillary clinton spoke for 39 minutes and five seconds. almost exactly the same amount of time. you didn't hear a robust emotional apology. from donald trump, did you? >> the inbox from republicans, that's one of the things they are worried about. that's powerful for hillary clinton to use him saying such vulgar things about women and he didn't say anything aggressively to apologize. he didn't do that behavior and he was pressed by anderson cooper and he said and talks in the tape about assaulting women. he said he didn't do those and he apologized. nowhere near as aggressive as many republicans wanted. he went into the personal attacks of bringing bill clinton
into it. i think it will be based on where do you stand from a partisan perspective. what donald trump is doing is getting more engaged and counter punching. throwing mike pence under the bus at a time when mike pence is standing by him is an interesting dynamic and he did say that yes, he took that giant deduction so he wouldn't pay federal income taxes. you can bet that's coming to a tv ad without a doubt. >> that is true. >> back to you. >> let's check in with the panel of experts. i said it was a wash, but feel free to disagree. >> at the beginning donald trump did the opposite of what i thought he should have done. he said he was embarrassed by this. the videotape. he said it was locker room talk. he did not apologize to the
women involved and he kept saying it's words and it wasn't anything more than that. period. end of sentence. so there was nothing more than anything he already said. he had already had the press conference about bill clinton. we knew that story and when asked are you different than at the young age of 59, he said i'm not proud of it and i have great respect for people, my family. hillary got him on that because she said you needed to apologize. for the rest of the debate. i think donald trump when he got over that was more disciplined, attacking hillary on the e-mail issue where she is vulnerable. i think in a sense he may have done enough. she seemed a little stilted at times and i think he may have done enough to stop the bleeding
and i'm not sure minds were changed. so much has occurred over the last 48 hours and the last week that people have to digest all of this including the debate tonight to see where they stand. i want to echo one thing that dana said was the mike pence remark. he is praising a dictator who was trying to interfere with our election, period. whom his running mate said we should stand up to and putin is propping up. that struck a note. >> here disagrees with him. >> i'm sure you watched the debate as we all did. we commented on the issues. we are not the same policy.
give it a broader look. much better counter puncher. i think he did poorly on that he was much more animated and much better counterpuncher i think that he did poorly on that question and he did poorly on the strange syria discussion where he got off on a rant there. which i think will leave a lot of questions and led to the mike pence question. the truth is hillary clinton has her struggles with the same issues she always struggles with, e-mails, speeches. i thought his counterpunch on
the lincoln comment was good. at the end of the day, i come to the same conclusion. i think she probably wins at some point and i don't think it changes much. >> just to set the stage, this has been one of the most disastrous periods for a presidential nominee in the history of the united states. from the first debate and before this debate. did he change that at all? >> i think he stopped the panic among most of the republicans there who were panicking. at least for now. i thought it was basically a draw which is basically a good thing for donald trump thinking that hillary clinton was going knock him out of this debate and have such a strong performance that there would be no question of where this race stood.
i don't think she had that great of a performance. he was odd pacing around and standing over here in some of those shots. i think there'll be a lot of material stylistically, for snl, she counterpunched well on the you've been there for 30 years what have you been doing and listed all of the things she had done. children's health care, expa expanding health care. veterans and secretary of state and 400 pieces of legislation. that was a good moment for her. she dropped one of the hillary clinton new information things and the alicia machado things. with she talked about trump gobbling up illegal steel from china. to build his buildings. i bet we'll hear more about that. >> i believe thaefs a news week story about how two out of three buildings that are using the steel that hurts american workers. what'd you think?
>> i think the night belonged to donald trump. we're not talking about the trump tape. he was able to pivot away and barely controlled at some point. it was a greatest hits real for the 14 million who voted for him. no hand shake at the out set. bill's infidelities and the e-mail erasure and islam and dishonesty and the media, you will hear a lot about how they reported the role of the moderators in this. i think those who voted for him got everything they wanted in their vote. did he grow? i can't see if there was any outreach. i looked carefully where i thought he could have expanded the base that he already has. not a knockout, but his night on points. >> where could he have expanded the base? obviously there was a muslim
american woman who spoke. there was an african american who wanted the country -- african american gentleman, james carter who wanted the country to be united would he be devoted to bring us together? where were the opportunities that he didn't take? >> he could have been more expansive on health care reform and rather than repeal and replace it with what and how and whom it would benefit. he could talk more about the reform he wants in the tax code aside from getting rid of interests for wealthy people. where he always falls down is that he goes on the attack without when a direct question is asked. what would you do about x, y or z, he deflects and goes on the attack that hillary has been here for 30 years and didn't do anything. the way you bring people into the tent is to tell them exactly what you would do for them. like taxes and health care, i
still do not think that we got much beyond obamacare is a disaster and why didn't she fix the tax code? and by the way, i think we might have heard him admit, i'm not sure about this, that he did use on the $918 million debt, that he actually used that not to pay taxes. >> he did say. he didn't say how long but he did say he use it. >> i think the trump teams thinks they are reaching out to suburban, white women and college-educated women when they talk about african-americans and hispanics, he hurts his case because of his record and the way he talks about african-americans and the way that he tends to say the african-americans and not just african-americans, which is a way of referring to folks in deeply odd. i think they are doing that but i don't think there's any success in growing that tent.
>> the real question is, they fear he doesn't have the right temperament or command, were they assured tonight or think of him differently as a result of this performance? i agree with michael, he was speaking to the base and i think the base is probably very happy. the base is just not big enough to win the election. >> the demographics of the country are such -- i'm sorry to hit this point again, george herbert walker bush and mitt romney got the same percentage of the white vote. 59%, what earned bush 136 electoral votes got mitt romney only 56. and there is the changing demographic of the country and that's why the missed opportunity was with the muslim woman and the african american man at the end. that was magnanimous. >> where he's doing poorly, he
needs to improve significantly, has to do with college educated white voters. he's even with college educated white men. >> health care and their families. >> there was a poll out today in your home state and your home state that had him leading among college educated voters, white voters by 20 points. this is a cohert that romney carried by 14% in 2012. that's a stunning -- >> tolerance, right? >> they think he's a bigot. >> right. that's why you hear hillary clinton, all of her ads, are about donald trump and what he said and those words, whether it's about women, whether it's about the birther controversy, those things turn off college-educated white voters. he can't undo that because he spent so much time branding himself in that way as this kind of unreconstructed alpha male and the tape only underscores that. >> let me say one thing about the tape. we're all talking about the debate and that's going to be our focus until 1:00 in the
morning. tomorrow morning we wake up in a world where the debate is over. we're not talking about it. we're talking about something else. i can't help but think the clinton campaign is going to make sure that that tape is everywhere from now until the election. >> it's about the image of the women from this point forward. four women and donald trump and that story's going to get told. >> college educated white women that we've been talking about. >> can i just make one other point in which is it's very clear they don't like each other very much. it was kind of an irritating debate in that sense because they were firing these jibes back and forth. and what was missing from it was any invocation of people, humanity. we're in a town hall meeting. the only person that was raised -- i think hillary clinton raised an individual and just as in the last debate she raised an individual to weap weaponize that story against donald trump but the day-to-day struggle. health care, nobody mentioned anybody who was actually struggling with health care.
i was surprised by that. >> let's go back to the tape. i want to play donald trump's response when the subject of this "access hollywood" tape, him talking very crudely about women, seeming to boast about grabbing women, assaulting women inappropriately. here was his response. >> you called what you said locker room banter. you described kissing women without their consent, grabbing their genitals. that is sexual assault. you bragged you sexually assaulted women. do you understand that? >> no, i didn't say that at all. i don't think you understood what was said. this was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i apologized to my family. i apologize to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. you know, when we have a world where you have isis chopping off heads, where you have -- and frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all
over, where you have so many bad things happening, this is like medieval times. we haven't seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world, and they look and they see. can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and they see what's going on. yes, i'm very embarrassed by it. i hate it. but it's locker room talk and it's one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we're going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left -- >> so -- >> -- because of bad judgment. and i will tell you, i will take care of isis. >> so the basic response there, van, it was locker room talk but nothing compared to the horrors of isis and i'm going to stop isis. >> i just thought that was just horrible. he -- rather than apologizing he minimized. and that was something that everybody here agreed he should avoid doing. and basically, if the only thing you have to say about yourself is i'm not as bad as isis, i
mean, that's your defense, there's something wrong with that kind of response. [ cheers and applause ] the other thing is that you cannot underestimate the history that was made in our country. a line was crossed that i don't know has been crossed in my lifetime, maybe ever. he threatened to jail his opponent. >> right. >> he threatened to jail hillary clinton if he became president of the united states. that is something i think is a new low in american democracy. but i will say something maybe provocative. i think hillary won because donald trump kind of won. in other words, the worst possible outcome for hillary clinton could have been if she knocked him out. if she had knocked him out and forced him out of the race, you could have been in a situation where the republican party could rally, get somebody else in there. it was actually a good outcome for her. she did well enough. he did well enough. he stabilized himself. and he's going to bleed out. and she's going to be able to get across the finish line.
>> i'm not sure we watched the same debate because read the transcript. donald trump issued three more apologies. he's now up to issuing five. that's enough for most of the american people. i'm still waiting on the media to call on the apology for hillary clinton lying to the families of benghazi members when she told them their families were dead because of a video. i'm still waiting for a call for that apology. but i think something very big happened tonight that is lost upon most of us. what we saw tonight was someone speak for the people against the washington elite. there are people in this country, 2/3 of the country thinks we're in the wrong direction. they're tired of being promised hope and change, which is what president obama promised millennialed, promised the american people and it did not materialize. and you saw donald trump flawlessly expose the double standards of justice when he said -- when he said if someone, an american citizen had done 1/5 of what you had done with your e-mails their lives would have been destroyed. and there was an audible boo from the audience because people know hillary clinton lied when
she retorted with the fact that i didn't do anything wrong with my e-mails. the audience booed because there are two standards. the washington elite get one and we the american people get another. >> i think -- >> that was explosive. >> i think the audience had trump supporters and clinton supporters and we heard both sides. but let me go into -- let me play some of what you're talking about and specifically, van jones, it's the moment you that referred to where he said that were he in charge of the laws she would be in jail. >> i didn't think i'd say this but i'm going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious.
there has never been anything like this where e-mails -- and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them. or bleach them as you say. a very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it. because you know what? people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you've done. and it's a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> secretary clinton -- >> everything he just said is absolutely false but i'm not surpris surprised. i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i'd never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we're going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump. you can fact-check him in real-time. it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail.
>> secretary clinton -- [ cheers ] >> so jeffrey, i heard you laughing. obviously that is a crowd pleaser for trump supporters. there's no question about that. he already has trump supporters. they already support him. is that the kind of line that exemplifies the kind of temperament that those who are undecided want to hear from him? >> yes. and i'll tell you why. this is about as kayleigh was saying, this is about the american people versus the political class in this country. media elites, politicians, et cetera, who as he said repeatedly there, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and they never get anything done and they lie and they dissemble. and she would in fact, if she were not hillary clinton, she would be in huge trouble with these e-mails. and she would conceivably be going to jail. i mean, other people have gone to jail for these kind of problems. so what he's doing there is hitting the broad themes, one, the division between the
american people and the political class. two, her character. if you remember that famous quinnipiac poll from last year where they asked people to free-associate one-word descriptions of the candidates and for her it was dishonest and liar. >> you know that's kind of a bogus poll where they -- i mean, i think the biggest ones for trump were unflattering as well. but i take your point on the fact that she has very, very low trustworthy and honesty numbers -- >> so he was hitting this. >> okay, paul. >> the strategic context in which this debate occurs is the trump campaign in meltdown. a meltdown especially with women because of this really horrific tape where he brags about committing sexual assault. i don't think he put it to bed. you keep hearing stories that there's more tapes to come. the guy did 10 or 14 years on television and people keep saying we're going to go through these tapes. maybe they will. maybe they won't. but he certainly did nothing to put it behind him or even to inoculate against the stories to come. now, tonight's audience, i bet
you a nickel, would be much more female than male. first off more voters are female than male. but tonight we're up against qupt sunday night football." packers by the way 17-9 over the giants leading right now fourth quarter. the performance he put on, first being so bizarre about this sexual assault. in one of the answers he mentioned isis, immigration, and the economy. in one of the follow-ups he rambled on about michelle obama, sidney blumenthal, debbie wasserman schultz, bernie sanders, e-mails. that doesn't assuage any women voters. and then the style throughout the debate i kept hearing from a lot of women, they didn't like that -- the pacing, the stalking. >> yeah. >> the really kind of creepy behavior when he wasn't speaking. toward hillary. last time it was he got in trouble for interrupting. he did a fair amount of that again. he seemed to actually pick a lot of unwise fights with martha raddatz also. less so with anderson. this is not -- if i'm -- as a super pac guy, i work for the super pac that's opposing trump and is supporting hillary. i'm happy about this. if i were a trump strategist i'd
say boss, we've got a problem with women and you just made it worse. >> we're going to keep it there. everyone stay. we've still got two hours. wolf, let me throw it back to you. >> anderson -- anderson. jake, thanks very much. we've got an excellent moment right now to discuss something i'd never heard in any of these debates before between two presidential candidates. and dana, let's talk a little about this. one candidate says not only is he going to put forward a special prosecutor to investigate his rival but, and this is very significant, he's going to put her in jail if he's elected president of the united states. that's pretty extraordinary. >> okay. not to sound too corny, but what makes this country different from countries with dictators in africa or stalin or hitler or any of those countries with dictators and totalitarian leaders is that when they took over they put their opponents in jail. to hear one presidential candidate say, even if it was a
flip comment, which it was, you're going to be in jail to another presidential candidate on the debate stage in the united states of america, stunning. just stunning. >> certainly is. john king. >> most of his strategy on these issues was clearly designed, a, listening to his alt-right advisers. this was a breitbart strategy from the predebate and the debate. if he's bleeding across the electorate, if his goal priority one is to stop the bleeding on the right, then it may have succeeded in that. if you look at state by state, if you look at the battleground states, if you look at the demographic breakdowns in the states he is losing now heading into the last 30 days. remember, the timing of this is critical. in the last 30 days there are some people already voting. more people will start voting this week. even more will start voting after that. many in the most important battleground states. 30% of the american people last tight voted early. that will probably be a little higher this time. so the election is not on november 8th. it is now for many people in the
states that matter. and if donald trump needed to shore up his conservative base, his team is very happy. he was much modern gauged than he was tonight. he was much more aggressive. he did more counterpunching. he got to some of the issues that he believes are her weaknesses but to dana's point there is that going to win you the vote of a moderate woman in the philadelphia sbushds? i think not. is it going to get you raves on zruj and breitbart and the conservative media and the other network, we all know who i'm talking about, most likely. >> but at least he'll stop the bleeding among his own base. >> yes. i think that is a fair assessment that you can see in the mood -- and even the republicans who don't like trump. they think this is the worst possible outcome because they thought if he tanked tonight there would be pressure to get him out of the race. >> exactly. >> and now they're saying he did well enough to stay in. they don't think he can win and they think he hurts other senate and house candidates. but they think he did well enough to sustain himself without a doubt and i know that's what they think inside team trump. without a doubt they think they had a strong night. >> we're just hearing that eric holder apparently just said that trump's threat was like nixonian. not so much the jail threat but
the threat that if he becomes president he's going to instruct his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor. it's -- first of all, i believe it's kind of a misunderstanding of what is even allowed and the way that the process works. but even so, putting that aside, just the threat is something that is going to -- this is something that's going to have ripple effects in the days to come. >> i also think another giant question tonight, again, people view these things through their partisan prism but we know that hillary clinton has barack obama, michelle obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, joe biden, bill clinton. donald trump has mike pence. there are no other senior republicans out there. and he threw mike pence under the bus tonight. he threw his running mate under the bus tonight, who has stood by him -- mike pence did not defend donald trump on the specifics in the vice presidential debate. i was told that got under donald trump's skin a little bit. mike pence did stand by him this weekend. mike pence, a christian conservative whose wife i'm told was horrified when she heard that tape and who talked to her husband about it, mike pence did
stand by donald trump even though he did say the language is offensive. dysfunction in the campaign in the last 30 days is dangerous. >> he just did put out a tweet mike, pence -- >> that's what i was looking for. >> going ahead and endorsing -- "congrats to my running mate @realdonaldtrump on a big debate win. proud to stand with you as we make -- #make america great again." brianna keilar you've got a special guest in the spin room. >> i have hillary clinton's campaign chair john podesta. and i want to get your reaction to something first. donald trump called hillary clinton the devil but he also made a threat that if he were in charge of the laws of the country that he would jail her, he would imprison her. what is the campaign's reaction? >> well, it's one more over-the-top statement by donald trump. and fortunately, he's not in charge of the laws of the united states and never will be. but i think that maybe he was trying to appeal to his base. what we've seen over the last few weeks and particularly over the last few days are
republicans peeling off him in droves. so maybe all he's got left is his base. so to call her the devil is i think beneath a presidential candidate. it's one more reason yes he doesn't have the temperament to do the job of being president or being the commander in chief. >> the optics from the beginning of the debate were that we sea chelsea clinton not there to shake the hands of melania trump and her kids as we saw during the first debate. and then hillary clinton did not shake hands with donald trump at the beginning of the debate. that's a very clear signal she was trying to send. >> well, look, i think he came in here sort of pulling this stunt that he did at the beginning of this and was on the attack from the beginning. again, i think maybe he was just trying to stabilize his own base of voters even as that's shrinking. but i think that given what we saw, what we saw on the
videotape, what we're seeing now in the howard stern tapes, his -- >> she's trying to signal something. she's trying to signal that she -- >> that his behavior is -- doesn't really deserve the respect of a handshake at the beginning. she did shake his hand at the end. but i think that, you know, he came in tonight and even walked back whatever bit of an apology he gave for the "access hollywood" tape that every american now has probably seen over and over again. >> i know that one of the strategies coming into this was thinking that after that tape came out there were people who were newly open to hillary clinton. but the assessment seems to be that she really just rallied the base and whether or not she has really expanded it seems that she and donald trump just rallied their base. what do you say to that? >> i think she came in trying to answer the specific questions. this was supposed to be i think in my mind a town hall where voters got to ask specific
questions. the moderators asked a lot of the questions tonight. but the voters did get to ask questions. and i think she wanted to talk about the specific ideas, the specific plans, what she's been able to do in a bipartisan way when she was first lady, when she was senator, the children's health insurance program, the other program she talked about. but most importantly what she wanted to do to build an economy that was going to work for everyone, not just those at the top. so if n. doing that i think what she wanted to try to accomplish was to say i want to be a president for everyone and i want to have you listen to me with a positive message, an optimistic view of what america can be. in contrast i think he was dark and divisive again. >> john podesta with the clinton campaign. thank you so much. back to you guys. >> all right. thanks very much, brianna keilar. let's play a clip. this is donald trump speaking about the former president of the united states, bill clinton. >> i told you, that was locker
room talk. i'm not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country. and certainly i'm not proud of it. but that was something that happened if you look at bill clinton, far worse. mine are words and his was action. his was what he's done to women. there's never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women. so you can say any way you want to say it, but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women. and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off. and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped. kathy shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight.
so don't tell me about words. absolutely i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paula jones, who's also here tonight. and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago i think it's disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself if you want to know the truth. >> he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. he gets it decide what he wants to talk about. instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have that we think can make a better life and a better country, that's his choice.
when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. [ cheers and applause ] >> she got some applause for that line but i didn't hear a robust vote of confidence, a defense of her husband in that response, because he really went after bill clinton. >> hillary clinton didn't mention bill clinton's behavior or actions at all. she didn't defend her actions at all. she just went after more or less donald trump essentially saying you're trying to go back and we're talking about you here. a couple of points on that. donald trump clearly tried to gin up support on the r50i9d right with his base. if you talk to conservatives, especially the all the rooilt conservative media they think these issues have been ignored or forgotten. you and i covered the white house at the time. the paula jones case, kathleen willey case, monica lewinsky impeachment that dominated our lives. i had color in my hair when that started. that was several years of our lives. they think we should still be talking about this later. and trump was trying to connect hillary clinton to that.
will that be a winning strategy in the general election? we'll see how it plays out. but clearly donald trump came here tonight saying when i'm asked about me i'm going to deflect to bill clinton. i do think it helped him rally conservatives. i also know from e-mail conversations with clinton campaign people anderson cooper said this is sexual assault. and what donald trump -- he said he didn't do it. he said he was just talking about it. he did say tonight which he did not say in that weekend night video-e didn't address whether or not it actually happened. he just said he was sorry. donald trump did say he never did those things. so he was bragging about sexually assaulting women. and he said no, it's locker room talk. the clinton people -- that's going to be in an ad probably by the time we get to the end of this week. with anderson cooper asking a direct question and donald trump saying it's locker room talk. it's not locker room talk. it is not locker room talk to whether you're fantasizing about it speculating about it or talking about it of groping people, sexually assaulting people. that's a crime. >> but i will just say, and probably getting similar notes from republicans, i just got one from a top republican who's very
skittish about donald trump saying that he did okay acknowledging the bar -- this is among republicans. that the bar is pretty low right now for him to kind of bring some of them back into the fold but that in the words of this republican he moved the conversation beyond the caught on tape hot mike situation. on the flip side of that i've been hearing from some democrats who think that hillary clinton did well but wondering why didn't she put it away, wondering what could she have done differently to -- after the weekend that donald trump just had to just end it. just completely end his candidacy. and that she possibly could have with this debate but didn't. >> but you think that's in part the result of an hour before the debate he invites these women -- >> no. >> -- to come here not only to do a little joint photo opportunity with him but then to sit in the front row -- >> you mean whether she was rattled? >> yeah. >> i mean, i don't know. i didn't get the sense that she
really changed her strategy much at all. that she was going to do what she was going to do. she clearly was ready for bill clinton's name to come up in the context of these women or in any other context. and he she made the decision she wasn't going to go there. she was going to instead hit all the demographics that she thinks that donald trump has offended, whether it's the disabled or the hispanics or muslims and so forth and she was just going to pretend like the bill clinton question didn't happen. >> she's trying to keep what she's got. she'd she's ahead right now. she's head in the moltum in the last ten days and we don't know about the weekend. we don't know how that will be processed by voters or this debate which they'll be processing at the same time. what they learned over the weekend about donald 2ru78. and now this debate. hillary clinton came saying if i protect what i have i win the election. and she was -- it was clear she was hoping that donald trump hurt himself with his own words and donald trump turned in a much stronger performance in terms of punching, counterpunching and getting to the issues more favorable to him. a much better job tonight than in the first debate no doubt.
>> our exclusive cnn/orc poll results momentarily. who won this debate? in the meantime let's go back to jake. >> thanks so much. appreciate it, wolf. i'm back with our panel. something i want to throw out to everyone here. i'll start with this side and work over. the alicia machado moment was a throwaway line at the end of the last debate and it became a huge story because of how the clinton campaign went with it and because of donald trump's reaction. one thing i'm wondering if donald trump introduced at this night's debate that we just talked about over here that might become a bigger thing for the clinton campaign and i think we can agree they're much more effective at the attacks and the commercials and with surrogates, et cetera. that is with donald trump saying if he gets elected president he's going to ask his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to put hillary clinton in jail. >> yeah. >> this is the kind of thing they do in countries not like the united states, where you lock up and jail your political opponents. this feeds into something -- a criticism we've heard actually
more from conservative critics of donald trump than liberal critics of donald trump. can you imagine this man with his dem pramt and his drive for vengeance having instruments of government at his hands, the irs, et cetera. i wonder if that was a much bigger gaffe than we are making it out to be. >> i think it is. i think it's a huge gaffe. republicans talk about the imperial presidency and how barack obama has abused his executive powers. imagine somebody being asked to serve as attorney general if you knew that a president was going to direct prosecutions. i'm not a lawyer. but i get that. and it is as dana was pointing out nixonian to a great degree. and i think that it is also un-american to a great degree. and i think that is something the clinton campaign can use and can use very fevtly. also to me when he said i'd put her in jail.
remember during the convention -- >> lock her up. >> lock her up, lock her up. and he kind of tried to quiet it a little at the convention because he was in presidential mode. now this was a primary campaign debate to me tonight and what he was doing was rallying the base by saying lock her up effectively, which he did also, calling her a liar multiple times and the devil. multiple times. and saying he'd put her in jail. >> and he said she had hate in her heart. >> i don't think that's going to play very well with voters. i think what happened was he said i'm throwing out the playbook and i'm going with, as you point out, i'm going with the material that's worked for me when i go out there and speak to these rallies. this line of prosecuting hillary clinton is something he's used in his rallies. this is not a new idea. he just raised it to the level of a debate point here. and my guess is it will resonate well with his base and it will antagonize the people he needs
to grow who worry about the things you point out, who worry about his temperament, worry about whether he would handle the job of president in a responsible way. so you know, i think he galvanized the base again, perhaps at the expense of expanding it. >> it's another iteration of her argument, which is in an ad, about having him near the nuclear codes. a man you can bait with a tweet shouldn't be near the nuclear codes. and he also probably shouldn't have the instruments of the military, of the justice department. so yeah, i think that'll certainly end up in an ad. and again, it's going to turn off those moderate swing voters who want a steady person, who want somebody who is steady in terms of their temperament, in terms of their manner, in terms of their speech and approach to issues. so i think this -- it wasn't a plant by hillary clinton in any way. >> i don't think it's going to
end up in an ad because this isn't the issue -- >> she doesn't want to -- >> i don't think alleged criminality -- >> those who watched it -- i think it was cringeworthy for a lot of folks who watched it. >> jake, the two of us have ties to the philly suburbs. i still live there. you have family who are there. i've waited, we're now a month out from the election, less if you start and think that people are already voting and i've been waiting and waiting and waiting for the pivot or the outreach to the folks who come in from our area because if we had a nickel for every time they get invoked, even on "snl," we'd be wealthy individuals. it's never going to happen. i mean, this is the donald trump who got this far. i think there potentially is an emperor has no clothes thing going on around him where perhaps the people who could say to him you need to pivot won't do so for whatever reason. but this is what got him thus far and this is how he's going to ride it out. and i think that he feeds on the reaction that he gets from that base which is what keeps him
hitting -- >> but michael, maybe he felt like he took the advice of the people who were telling him to pivot and be more muted in the last debate and it didn't turn out well for him. >> could be. >> so he decided well, the hell with that, i'm going to throw all that out and go back to the stuff i know works. >> and just to elaborate, it's not -- michael and i are biased because we're from philadelphia but it's not just the philly burbs we're talking about, we're talking about white college educated voters, the people in the i-4 corridor in the middle of florida, we're talking about the people in northern virginia, in the suburbs of denver. these are voters that mitt romney did well with, that john mccain did well with. still not well enough to win -- >> harrisburg, where thousands show up for donald trump. >> and donald trump is underperforming with them. and i know that this -- i'm sure he will win every online poll. i know that the breitbart crowd ate this up. my question is did he win over any suburban households in philadelphia? >> sure. i think he can. and let me use the issue here that you were just talking about
to illustrate. talking about jailing the opponent and how this is -- dictators and all this kind of stuff. there is another side to this. and on a side that independent voters, the kind of folks you were talking about are very concerned about, and that is the politicization of the department of justice where you have an attorney general, eric holder, who said in that case of the black panthers group there that were at the polls in philadelphia and they were armed and they were in uniform. he said he wasn't going to do it because these are my people. >> again, i'm sure he's winning fox news voters. that's not my point. >> when you talk about -- >> he said he would -- >> some fact checker is -- the fact check machine is going tilt right now. >> you're speaking against the politicization of the justice department under the obama administration. his answer was i'll tell my attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to lock her up. >> that's not what he said. he said i will appoint a special prosecutor to look into it.
>> yes. and then later in the same exchange he said if he were in charge of the government she'd be in jail. >> as a response. i know the media doesn't get satire and humor but that was a humorous line -- >> we do. we get satire. >> you compare him to hitler and stalin locking people up when he said -- >> i don't think anybody mentioned hitler or stalin. but let's play it. let's play the exchange. >> i didn't think i'd say this but i'm going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails -- and
you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them, as you would say. a very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it because you know what? people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you've done. and it's a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> secretary clinton -- >> everything he just said is absolutely false but i'm not surprised. >> oh, really? >> i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i'd never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we're going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump, you can fact-check him in real time. it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail.
>> secretary clinton. >> yeah. humor right there. >> you're saying he wasn't being serious? >> i'm saying he used that line. it was humor to illustrate the point. and the point is as with the e-mails -- i mean, how many -- >> so he thought she was innocent of anything wrong with e-mails? >> how many stories have we seen, jake, in the last two weeks about destruction of computers, special privileges, the president -- president clinton gets on the plane -- >> i love -- you guys know i love jeffrey lord. i do. i'm not joking. >> here we go. >> and i greatly appreciate -- >> this is a clearing of the throat. >> this is it. >> jake, you may want to get out of the way. >> but the idea that you are threatening to prosecute your opponent is as best i can tell unprecedented in american history. and i will say this. you don't appoint a prosecutor to investigate. you appoint a prosecutor to lay the groundwork to put somebody in jail. and here's the problem i have with the whole thing. >> but -- >> hold on a second. here's the problem i have with the whole thing. look, we do have a criminal
justice system that is unfair, that is biased, but when people like black lives matter point this out people like yourself say they're race baiting, they're racist, and turn a deaf ear. so you can't have it both ways. you can't pretend to care about a broken criminal justice system only when donald trump is scoring political points about hillary clinton and then turn your deaf ear to the cries of actual people who are suffering. and there was a big missed opportunity tonight. when that muslim woman stepped forward, donald trump could have very easily said to her, i understand what you're going through. >> and he did. >> and he didn't. >> he did. >> let me finish. >> we'll get the tape. >> we'll get the tape. >> he very briefly said one thing. and then he basically gave an islamophobic answer to a question about islamophobia. why do i say that? because he said you the muslims
have to report on the things that are going on. as if only the muslims have to do this. as if all of the mass shootings are done by muslims. you can say you want everyone in the country you see something say something. that's an american position. he says the muslims have a special responsibility. that's an islamophobic response. and he missed opportunity after opportunity to reach out. but don't play games with criminal justice with me. >> so kayleigh, let me ask you. you maintain -- and tell me what you think. that the first part, special prosecutor, serious, but then the other thing about because you'd be in jail that was a joke. >> i do. and the audience laughed. so i think they clearly got the humor. but you know, to van's point about criminal justice and double standards and caring about citizens, you know who i care a lot about? petty officer christian saucier, who's sitting in a jail right now sentenced to one year in prison for taking eight photographs on a submarine to show his family and bringing back classified information home for him. christian saucier's in jail. hillary clinton did the same thing.
she's out free because the fbi, to jeffrey's point, is politicized. >> they're friends. >> four of the people sitting at this table have worked in the white house. the white house must maintain an arm's length relationship from the prosecutorial power of the justice department. and it always has. except in the nixon administration where nixon did try to politicize both the fbi and the cia. it was one of the darkest moments of our history. what trump has suggested is straight out of the dictator's handbook. and it came during the same debate when he publicly broke with his running mate who dared to question vladimir putin. now, ken vogel of politico points out, but i remember this from my own work, that in ukraine a putin puppet, viktor yanukovych, did the same thing. he became president. he was a putin puppet. he locked up his predecessor, yulia tymoshenko. this guy is laying the groundwork for exactly -- he wants to crack down on the first amendment against journalists. in every rally he attacks journalists. now he wants to lock up his opponent just like putin's
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we're here in the spin room getting reaction from all the candidates' -- both the candidates' surrogates. lots of reaction coming in. we're also standing by for the exclusive results of our cnn/orc poll of voters in ohio. we're going to get that momentarily. stand by for that. first official -- unofficial but poll results. scientific poll that we've got, you're going to get those results momentarily. david chalian will be with us for that. the big question of the night, what did undecided voters think about donald trump's answer to the question about the leaked tape? pamela brown watched the debate with a group of these voters. we're about to show you what they thought. while you watch look at the bottom of your screen. if the lines go up, voters liked the answer. if the lines go down, they didn't like the answer. men's responses are in green, women in yellow. here's donald trump's response. >> just for the record, though, are you saying that what you
said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> for the record you're saying you didn't do those things? >> you hear these things are said and i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever done those things? >> and women have respect for me. and i will tell you -- no, i have not. and i will tell you that i'm going to make our country safe. >> pamela, these voters didn't seem to like his answer. >> yeah, as you saw the very strong reactions from these 29 undecided voters from the ohio state university. so let's get straight to them to see what their reaction was when donald trump defended himself against that "access hollywood" video. what did you think, barb, when you heard what he had to say? >> i find it hard to believe whatever he says. he just doesn't seem to be a
truthful person. >> reporter: and you have two sons and you had sort of a visceral reaction to what he said in defense of that video and what he was saying in that video. what did you think? >> well, i just feel that everyone has placed all of the accent upon young women and how we should protect them. we are equal citizens. i would hope that my sons would not talk like he did and i have tried to raise them not to act that way. >> reporter: it's interesting, because he reiterated in his defense that this is locker room banter, that this is just words. what do you think, larry? did that resonate with you? >> no. because that's not locker room talk. and for a 59-year-old man to claim that that's locker room talk i think is offensive to the young men who are out playing sports and doing the right thing. to me, it's pure and simple, sexual assault. and he should be held accountable for his thinking and actions of sexual assault.
>> so to you that is not just locker room banter? >> that's not. not at 59 years old, especially. i don't know any 59-year-olds who are in locker rooms. >> i just want to get quickly a show of hands. who thought that donald trump did enough to put that controversy surrounding the tape behind him? raise your hand if you think he did enough tonight in defense. okay. and there were some positive reactions when hillary clinton actually spoke after donald trump defended himself against that video. let's take a listen to what she had to say during the debate. >> this is who donald trump is and the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are. that's why, to go back to your question, i want to send a message. we all should. to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good.
>> so i want to ask you, what was it about hillary clinton's argument that resonated with you following donald trump's defense of the video? >> she stated that america is already great and i tend to agree with that. though we are slow in progressing in a number of areas, we are progressing and we need to continue the momentum. >> what about you? what did you think about hillary clinton's argument, the way that she reacted, particularly when he brought up bill clinton's past and the allegations against him? what did you think? >> i think that she tried to clarify that they weren't the same, that what donald trump had done was -- she had talked about her children and other people's children and daughters and that it just -- it was uncalled for and he should not have done it and didn't feel that his apology was sincere. >> and it's interesting because she largely sort of stayed away from going there. do you think that was a smart move? raise your hand if you think
that was a smart move. and raise your hand if you think it was a smart move for donald trump to bring that up, if that was fair game. why do you think that? >> well, i think, you know, if everything is out on the table, then everything is fair game. is it apples to apples, absolutely not. but i don't think -- in these debates it just doesn't ever seem like anything's off the table. >> i'm going to get a show of hands now. the big question, who do you think won this debate? hillary clinton. raise your hand if you think hillary clinton won tonight's debate. okay. raise your hand if you think donald trump won this debate. okay. so clearly there are some of you who thought this was a draw. raise your hand if you think tonight's debate was a draw. all right. there you go. there you have it, wolf. mixed response. coming up, we're going to talk about what they thought and who they are going to vote for, these undecided voters, if any of them cemented their vote after tonight's debate. you won't want to miss that. >> hillary clinton is now speaking to reporters aboard her aircraft. i want to listen in.
>> go back and lean up against my stool but he was very present. >> we're going to take off. then we're going to bring you - you --. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> nothing surprises me about him really, dan. i was surprised by the absolute avalanche of falsehoods. i mean, i really find it almost unimaginable that someone can stand and just tell, you know, a falsehood after falsehood. you all remember politifact said he was the most untruthful candidate they'd ever evaluated. and we sort of did the numbers. i think they said he was like 70% untruthful. and so i think he exceeded that percentage tonight. >> how did president clinton -- >> anyway, thank you, guys. >> we'll come back in a few minutes.
>> there she is. hillary clinton going to the back of her plane to speak to reporters, making some tough statements once again against donald trump. we have the results now of our instant poll. we've been waiting for this. david chalian, our political director. give us the results. >> wolf, as you know, we did a pofl debate watchers. this is not a national poll of all voters. this is a poll of debate watchers and just like we saw in the first debate and the vice presidential debate, the audience skews a little more democratic. debate watchers are a little more democratic than we would see in a national poll overall. having said that, who won the debate? according to the debate watchers we polled, hillary clinton won the debate. 57% to 34% for donald trump. that's not as big of a victory as she got in our poll in the first debate but it is a clear victory here. but talk about besting expectations. take a look at this. did donald trump best expectations, did he do better
than you thought he would do? 63% of debate watchers said donald trump did better than they expected. only 21% say that he did worse and 15% say he did the same as they expected. how about hillary clinton's expectation game? take a look at these numbers. did hillary clinton do better or worse than you expected? 39% say she did better. 26% said she did worse and 34% said she did about the same. hillary clinton the winner in this poll of who won the debate. but donald trump significantly overperforming expectations. >> but the polls show that she did win this debate. let's get immediate reaction from kellyanne conway, the trump campaign manager who is with us. what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction is that i'm glad that people think that 60% according to your online poll believe that hillary clinton either did worse or the same as they expected. it showed she wasn't very well prepared for tonight's debate. and that really surprises me. because if she's anything she's, you know, very wonky. she's very pedantic, lawyerly in her responses.
i would have thought she'd be better prepared for this debate. ail heard all week, wolf, is that the town hall format is really great for her. whereas we know it's our sweet spot because donald trump is out there every single day engaging with voters. he loves that. he's at the rallies. he's at the smaller forum round tables. he's at his own town halls. he clearly won the debate tonight why? because if you watched anybody's shows this whole weekend we've just been left for dead, it's all over, why even show up, will there be a debate, are people jumping ship. he came here to play tonight and he came here to take the case right to hillary clinton and to show americans this race is still what it's always been. past versus future. politician versus successful businessman. washington insider versus disrupter. and he made that case very clearly. he did not back down. >> kellyanne, i want to ask you about what he said at the beginning of the debate. more than one time he referred once again to what he said on that tape as locker room talk. you're his campaign manager, the only woman at the head of that campaign. what did you think when you saw
and you heard that? truthfully, what was your reaction? >> my initial reaction was very close to what melania trump said. i was offended. and i think that language is offensive and disgusting. and i'm also very happy that he apologized. i'm glad that he holds himself -- excuse me. accountable. because i look at the full measure of people, what they've said, what they've done, dana, and how they deal with adversity that comes to him -- to them. and donald trump is absolutely correct. these are words compared to actions. and he made that very clear tonight that hillary clinton blaming and shaming the women in her husband's life, that is not somebody who's standing up for women. >> but the term "locker room talk." you had the highest-ranking woman in congress, republican woman, kathy mcmorris rogers, blowing that off and saying no, no, no, this is suggesting sexual assault and -- >> that's a very unfortunate phrase and people should stop using it. >> why? >> because i know him better. and i know better. >> but it's what he said.
>> he did not say the word sexual -- >> no. it's what he implied -- >> you want to talk about sexual assault, right here in the hall -- i know cnn doesn't want into the view them for whatever reason. you give miss universe a big platform. but we have in the hall tonight juanita broaddrick and paula jones and kathy shelton the 12-year-old rape victim that two years before the rape shield laws were implemented in arkansas hillary clinton defending her 42-year-old rapist successfully defending him getting him a plea bargain. she was willing to blame and shame that victim as well who was 12 years old. we can talk about sexual assault but let's have a full conversation about it. this is what i know. i have to assess people based on what i see in totem. this is a man i've been alone with many times who's never been anything but gracious and a gentleman and elevated me to the top level of his campaign the way he's elevated women in the trump organization for decades. because he respects women. >> let me just say that cnn at the time many, many years ago did fully litigate -- these two gentlemen were actually covering
the clinton white house fully, talk about and report on their stories at the time. because it is very old. and i just -- because you brought it up i just have to say, kellyanne -- >> how she treated them. >> no, no. it was real time. i just have to say because you brought it up that your boss himself back in 1998 told neil cavuto about these victims. i don't necessarily agree with his victims, talking about bill clinton. "his victims are terrible. he," meaning bill clinton, "is the real victim himself. he put himself in that position." and he talked about how unattractive these people are. >> so in 1998 we're not going to talk about paula jones because it's too old but we'll talk did -- >> what i'm saying is at that time he was defending bill clinton and going after these guys and now he's changed -- >> he's gotten to know them. we took note of hillary clinton's comment on the campaign trail and actually she said all sexual assault victims deserve to be heard and believed. these are her words. she's running for president now. she wants to be the president of all people. i assume except for the ones she
thinks are deplorable and airredeemable which is tens of millions. but in fairness i know we want to talk about this because we certainly don't want to talk about tonight's campaign performance. when hillary clinton just on her plane lying that donald trump said falsehood after falsehood. i was watching the debate in real time. politifact, the fact checker said he was right about her wanting to have a 550% increase in sir refugees -- >> let me ask you another question about the debate. donald trump said he had not spoken to his vice presidential running mate mike pence about syria and he disagreed with him. we're 30 days from the american people voting. mike pence will be out there campaigning tomorrow. is the message to the american people at mike pence rallies don't believe what he says because -- >> not at all. they were talking about two different things. i just talked to governor pence not ten minutes ago. he says hello. he and mr. trump had also talked about what a great debate we've had between tuesday night the vice presidential debate and tonight obviously donald trump winning here. in a vice presidential debate the conversation was about
humanitarian crisis. and that's what governor pence was referring to. and mr. trump said -- >> and he said the united states might have to use force. governor pence the united states might -- >> he might have to. >> and donald trump said tonight i disagree with that. and i haven't spoken with him. >> about that particular aspect of it since the debate. that is true p they've spoken many times this week. but let me be clear. on tv on your network today cnn's jake tapper took tim kaine to account because he couldn't answer a simple question about what hillary clinton said in the e-mails about having open borders. we know she's for open borders but the only way we know it now is because we saw it in her e-mails -- >> we did hear something extraordinary from donald trump today. he said if he's elected president he will ask the justice department to name a special prosecutor to go after hillary clinton. and then he went one step further and said he would arrest her and lock her up -- he would put her in jail. in all of the years, i don't remember a time in american history when one candidate has said of the other candidate if
he wins the other candidate's going to jail. >> donald trump is channeling the frustration of a lot of americans he hears from, wolf. so many americans say i can't believe that people have been -- their lives have been ruined, their livelihood gone, they face jail time for doing far less than hillary clinton did hear and yet she was completely exonerated for deleting 33,000 e-mails, not turning over another 17,000. that's 50,000 right there. setting up the private server to begin with. saying that there's no classified information. fbi director comey said that's not true. i only had one device. she had many. they took a hammer to them. the story goes on and on. and it's an active investigation. in other words, just less than two weeks ago -- >> did ybut you understand the enormity of that statement. he's going to lock up his opponent if he wins. >> well, no, what he said is he wants to appoint a special prosecutor because he feels -- and he channels nearly public will here he hears all the time if we don't hear about the disasters in obama care and her failure with the russian reset
and benghazi we're always hearing about the e-mails. and he is telling -- he told america tonight what america has told him. the frustration that there's a different set of rules for this woman as goes for e-mails. and she -- >> i you've got to run. i'm going to put up on the screen the results of our poll. you're a professional pollster. you'll see the results. these are people who actually watched the debate and millions and millions of americans watched. who won the debate? 57% said hillary clinton won the debate. 34% said donald trump won the debate. that's the results of our cnn/orc poll. kellyanne, thanks very much for joining us. >> i watched a different debate, but thank you. >> coming up we're going to have a reality check on some of the most contentious statements we heard from the candidates tonight. and we'll reveal more results from our own poll of watchers. what was their response to trump's attempts to explain his vulgar comments caught on tape? stay with us.
welcome back. we're here in the spin room following this historic debate. we've got a reality check, some fact checking with tom foreman and phil mattingly. tom foreman, first to you. what have you found out? >> wolf, attacks and insults have characterized this campaign for months now. and tonight as well. with hillary clinton saying donald trump has gone after women again and again. >> but it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.s, muslims, and so many others. >> that is really an enormous list of people up there. could this possibly be true? well, if you go all wait back to when he announced his candidacy, yeah, at some time or another he's either said or done something to disparage people on every one of these lists.
this was actually a very easy one to check. and her claim is true. wolf? >> thank you, tom. phil mattingly, you've been doing a reality check as well. >> yeah, that's right. it wasn't just hillary clinton that was taking some swings tonight. donald trump rolling off a litany of attacks against bill and hillary clinton. included this one. that bill clinton lost his law license. >> but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. >> so here's the claim, that bill clinton lost his law license. quite simply was no longer allowed to practice law. so here are the facts. in the wake of revelations that bill clinton lied during the monica lewinsky investigation the arkansas supreme court brought a disbarment lawsuit against clinton. now, clinton agreed as part of the resolution to that lawsuit the day before leaving office to a five-year suspension of his arkansas law license as part of that plea deal to put an end to the lewinsky investigation.
so where does that leave us? the verdict. it's true. on donald trump's claim that bill clinton lost his law license for five years. it's accurate. for this and all of tonight's reality checks go to cnn.com/realitycheck. wolf? >> cnn's coverage of the second presidential debate continues right after this.
a high one. donald trump's campaign staggered after the video where the bragged he could grab a woman's genitals. then he went to attack mode and hillary clinton responded. >> look, it's just not true. >> you didn't delete them? >> personal e-mails. not official. we turned over 35,000. >> what about the other 50,000? >> please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. >> that's true. i'll try not to in this debate because i'd like to get to the questions that the people have brought here tonight to talk to us about. >> and get off this question. >> okay, donald, i know you're into big diversion tonight. anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. >> the news this morning,
hampshire which will be a town hall, same format as sunday's debate here on cnn. dana bash joins us with the details and political strategy behind this. this basically seems like an obvious dry run for sunday night. >> one source told me it was a scrimmage. they really want donald trump to kind of retain his muscle memory from town halls. he hasn't done as many town halls as chris christie or john mccain who basically lived in new hampshire where a town hall is part of the political tdna there. but the fact is they want him to be in an intimate settic just like on sunday night. they have chosen the place where chris christie had his first down hall when he announced for president in 2016. and chris christie is involved in trying to get donald trump ready stylistically for the idea
said, explicitly to me and others that what made him success flfl that debate. he had the practice. one texted me as it was going on last night, practice practice, it matter. i spoke to a source familiar with trump's debate strategy and i said are you going to fly some of pence's people into trump tower to help him and the answer was of course not. they could not be more different. what difference would it make? it couldn't matter. >> and hillary clinton is taking a liter schedule and focussing on debates. >> gre. she's doing what she did before the first debate. the debate team now has shifted back. i will say that trump's schedule is clear on friday. he's not going campaign and he's going to be prepping. >> stay with us. i want to brick in the rest of the panel.
the fact that trump is doing this, essentially run-through town hall for those who said he didn't prepare enough it will certainly i assume come as good news. >> i think so. look, i think inside the trump campaign there is a sense that donald trump needs the practice. and that the only way to get him to focus is to actually have this dry run or scrimmage, as dma is calling it. and i think it could really help him. however we're all going to be watching it. don't forget. so he's going to be judged on this town hall before he does the one on sunday night. and it doesn't work with donald trump to say be like mike. that is not going to work with for him. so he's going to be donald trump. >> how concerned are you that a town hall format might not be to his greatest strength? >> i think the moderator is going to be a concern on sunday night.
he's tough. bold. brash. anderson cooper is going to be there he's going to be tough on donald trump. he's going to be tough on anybody but think what people don't remember in the process is donald trump did a lot of town halls. in salem, some in london the day before the primary. won in rochester, new hampshire. in iowa. donald trump did one in virginia on monday with the veterans. this has been a consistent message. who most people are accustomed to are large scale rally wills donald trump talks for 40 minutes. and hopefully what you are going to see is donald trump at his best interacting in a small environment one on one with those people and really answering their questions and really hopefully getting a head start, if you will on what the questions are that will be asked on sunday night. hopefully the same concerns people have sunday night will be addressed tomorrow night in new hampshire. >> and as a trump supporter are you worried he's not taking enough time off in advance of
this debate? >> no i think friday is good to take that time in the mock town hall tomorrow is good. the veterans town hall. he just had that on monday. he does very well in this format. i think back to the commander ner chief town hall. where the consensus is donald trump did better. they were upset that hillary clinton, how she appeared in a town hall. he did well because of the simple fact he likes people. he's got at engaging with people. take hillary clinton. she seems to hold in contempt anyone who disagrees with her. so i think he likes people and engages with people in a real way and hillary clinton does not. >> is there consensus among republican there is a donald trump needs this debate? needs to do much better? >> yes. 100%. 110% if that is possible. amongst republican whose like donald trump, those who don't. those who are his nearest and dearest say he needs do better.
and that means saying on the message of what he wants to talk about as much as possible and don't get into a tit for tat with hillary clinton as much as he tries to go to him which is tlo question he'll try to do again. >> there is till zoing to be tit for tat. but whether it is on policy or. >> her terms or his. >> or her terms. how concerned are you ? the stakes are high for hillary clinton. she comes in with wind at her back but the pressure is on to keep that going. >> that is right. and i think expectations manage at this point. i agree with the first part of what she said. there is a format that works good for donald trump. he does engage people really well. i think hillary clinton depending on the person it can be hit or miss. so i'm concerned there is a question that comes up and she comes across as guard order protected and that is normally when she comes across as not
likable. i will say i've seen several videos where she's been in the town hall and gone very very well. essential things are on her side and that is all the more reason i think the clinton campaign and clinton supporters have a lot more to worry about. >> i would agree. and the clinton campaign and spoupporters across the board should always be concerned. that is how you win: the lead nationally in every battleground state now especially in ohio, i would say to clinton supporters, don't believe them. get out and vote and mobilize and make sure donald trump never gets to the white house that is basithe only way that will happen. and anything can happen. i actually agree with corey. i think this town hall format will be good for donald trump because it can keep him boxed him. he won't have a teleprompter or notes but he'll have the kind of parameters of the moderators,
the people in front of him that i think will keep him much more managed. >> or at least i think that is what the campaign hopes. >> if the king of town halls is john kasich. >> he did more than a hundred in new hampshire. >> he emotes and hugs people. he was great anyway in that format. i actually disagree with you guys. i think that donald trump has had some difficulty at town halls. and you have done them with him. he doesn't address the the person directly. he turbid and talked to you. didn't seem to embrace the person who asked the question or ask that person more questions about their question which hillary clinton does really well. and your town hall, one of the key moments so far for hillary clinton is when she said she's not a natural politician and said that at a town hall. donald trump has not sort of oured part of his personal self.
in any of these settings. even when people were asking for it. and i think that is a difficult part for him. doesn't want to share that way. >> we're going continue this conversation with the panel in just a moment throughout the evening. of course the two human resouou on. on sunday starting at 4:00 eastern time. as corey mentions it'll be ducking out for a bit to actually moderate. and our cnn live coverage duets under way at 4:00 eastern time. and just ahead eric trump on whether his dad pays federal income taxes. and the line from last night's debate that became a head line and what latino voters are saying about it when we continue.
federal income tax for ulta 18 years. we did talk with dana bash and here is the answer he gave. >> has your father paid federal income taxes. >> we pay a tremendous amount of income taxes. >> federal income taxes. >> yes. and beyond taxes we also employ tens and tens of thousand os people. >> eric my question now is he has paid federal income taxes over the last 15 years, yes or no. >> of course. absolutely. my father pays a tremendous amount of tax. we vas a company pay a tremendous amount of tax. >> if we ever see your father's federal income taxes it will show -- >> no question about it. he pays federal income taxes. >> for some this puts the answers to rest. few people have dug deeper than --. i spoke to him earlier this evening.
when eric trump insists his father had paid federal income tax, based on your reporting over the years are you skeptical? >> well i'm not really sure anderson what anything is that eric trump has sceeen. i think both of the trump boys tend to get their father in hot water whenever they speak up on these issues. i think the returns in question go back, you know, two decades. and eric trump is i think his early thirties. so i'm not really -- i doubt that his father was showing him all the tax returns when he was a toddler. that being said, i think one of the interesting things that's dwo gone on in this debate off the "new york times" story is that there is a lot of focus on the legality of this massi ivive
deduction he took. in fact the writeoff represent an epic business failure. it is i think representative of about 9 hundr$9 hundred million of loans he guaranteed personally in the late 1980s and all of it, all of it ended up in a giant train wreck. he bought airlines, hotels. he overleveraged his casino business. and he ended up with a ton of debt he couldn't repay because he overpaid for properties. he didn't think far enough ahead about the prospects for the various businesses he was entering and classic donald trump decision making. he's actually a very undisciplined, short-term, non strategic thinker. and that writeoff is a big numeric emblem of that tendency
he has. >> you know, obviously trump could put all of these questions to rest by releasing his tax returns. he says he won't release them while he's under audit even though there is nothing preventing him from doing that. and by his lawyers own admission his returns from 2002-2008 are no longer under audit. >> and by the way anderson the trump campaign has not given any proof to anyone they are actually under audit. they could release the letter interest the irs showing that to be the case and they haven't. secondly, even if there were an audit -- and they haven't made that clear -- that would prevent him from releasing anything. that is just not -- all of the audit stuff a red herg. >> as somebody who was sued by
trump for writing that he wasn't as rich as he claimed he was -- a suit that was dismissed by the way -- how much does something like that actually bother him? >> i think it bothers him immensely. for all his bluster and bullying and bragging, he's immensely insecure about some very fundamental things. and one of them is his sense of himself. and he -- his net worth and how rich he is, and where he figures on the pecking order is much more important to him than it is to anyone else. no one cares about his wealth as much as donald trump himself carries about it. >> appreciate it you being on. thanks. still plenty of questions out there. back with the panel. dana you had that conversation with eric trump. does that settle anything? or does it raise more questions? >> no. i think questions that were out there remain. there was only so much time and
there were a wloft unanswered questions even as he was answering the questions. one of which frankly looking back i should have been specific. personal income taxes or income taxes or maybe the obvious is he said he'd seen them. did you see the check, how do you actually know he paid the income taxes? it was his knee jerk reactions as the son of somebody who's under fire to try to put it to bed by saying yes because that was the only answer seemed like he could give. but we don't know. >> donald trump, even him not releasing the actual return, the full returns which are obviously very large has eric trump pointed out in the past. he could just ak a knowledge one way or the other whether he did or did not pate personal income tax as result of this writeoff. >> he did release a statement saying i paid hundreds of
millions in -- taxes. federal taxes was part of that. i think this whole "new york times" story is emblematic of the reason he shouldn't release his taxes. they put on a headline that says donald trump could have not paid income taxes for 18 years. since when do we have speculatery head lines with no basis to make that fact other than the fact there is a loss claim on a tax form. there is no proof me didn't pay taxes. why would you release hundreds of pages that could be misconstrued by the media. >> he could release his information. what he paid and made and charitable contributions without releasing all pages. >> i think it is irrelevant at this point. the issues that are affects american people today -- job,
immigration, their own personal tax, burden of washington d.c. regulations. look if people want to dwell on donald trump's taxes, they are welcome to do that. that does nothing to set the agenda moving forward. and what we do know is 11% of people think hillary clinton is honest and trust worthy. and 55 points in the wrong direction if you think the country is on the right track or the wrong track. the american people don't carolina -- they care about jobs and safety. >> they are so tone deaf when it comes to these issues poll after poll, multiple majorities of mesh people. trump supporters. believe wurm number one stacks are the civic duty and people should pay them. and above 70% believe he should release his taxes. and put legality aside. it is unseamly when you have a multi billionaire who touts his
business ak meyou men and how rh he is every 18 seconds and then there was a news article today how about back 1978 and 79 he did a lot of losses so not just he didn't pay taxes but his business acumen is. >> if you want to buy the argument he had a good accountant and he didn't have to pay taxes. a question is where are his investments? what potential conflicts of interest are there with foreign governments? particularly since he's said i'm going the hand over my business to my kids. and they will still be running that business. these are the things that would be outlined in a tax return. not just the bottom line and not the charitable and all --
these are serious foreign policy issues. i think the public deserves answers. >> on that point certainly. but there is at point and that is, this is the same person who's called for transparency from potential opponents from this opponent. he's asked for wall street transcripts. he's asked president obama whechbs just thinking about a run for a birth certificate. so why would not not meet the very staple standard. one of the famous lines is he's not even meeting the nixon standard. >> donald trump said in the first debate he'll release his full tax returns as soon as hillary clinton releases 33,000 e-mails. very clear. and more over he did call for hillary clinton to release her transcripts from those wall street speeches and she refused to do that as well. where she's made 10s of memos from executives. if you want to see donald
trump'd holdings. go to elections and commissions and poult the piece of paper with the properties he owns and the -- >> there is a lot of -- >> totally different. >> -- not in those documents that would be in the tax returns. >> yes. no question about it. the federal -- the financial disclosure has some information. but not nearly as much as you would learn by what he pays or doesn't pay in taxes with with regard to hisregard to his company. >> if hillary clinton, if none of her tax information was out there, wouldn't the trump campaign or any opponent be raising lots of red flags about that. >> i think congress has put in place laws that suggest what we complaint expect of someone running for the highest office in the land. you fill out financial disclosure furm. donald trump did that. we have a law that required her
to keep the e-mails that she disobeyed. one candidate has violated transparency laws. and thaz hillary clinton. >> nub of that has been proven. >> it has been -- >> no no -- [inaudible]. >> -- by a -- continue to say there is no law that donald trump has got to release his taxes. but the fact of the matter is that again for 40 years this has been the standard. and the american people expect that. for all the reasons that we just talked about. the most important one i do believe is what gloria mentioned. when you have someone who we know has a very strong bromance with vladimir putin and you have somebody that we already know has connections with chinese banks who owe, who actually own the debt that he holds. and he is asking us to give him the position of commander in
chief when he would have the ability to pass laws and to be favorable -- >> -- [indiscernible]. >> -- [inaudible]. >> i know you ignore the fbi director when it is not convenient -- >> sure. [inaudible] >> we got take a break. more with our panel ahead. mike pence has been getting good reviews for his debate performance. also controversy about his comment about the mexican thing. and the deadly hurricane barrelling towards the u.s. tonight, where it's head and how bad the damage could be picking up for kyle.
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are rapist or criminalsful or john mccain is not a hero he's showing you who he is. >> senator. you whip t out that mix can thing again. >> can you defend it? >> aliens who have come into this country illegally and perpetrated violence and taking american lives. >> -- >> he also said and many of them are good people. you keep leaving that out of your quote. >> that mexican thing sparked a lot of discussion. joining me -- your reaction to what the governor said last night about whipping out that mexican thing again? >> well what can i tell you? i giggled a lit bit because i thought it was a weird phrase. for a while i thought maybe anthony weiner had gone crazy celebrating national taco day
which was yesterday. but when he was part of the republican conference he was a very compassionate man who supported and spoke up in immigration reform. so i give him the benefit of the doubt. but most of america doesn't know mike pence. and only knows him as donald trump's running mate. and whirn the running mate of a man who's spoken about mexicans and said some are rapists and said this things about mexicans for 16, 17 months now. somebody who's attacked a judge for being of mexican heritage. an indiana born judge. from the state that mike pence represents you don't get the benefit of the doubt from most americans and we've seen it turned into a hashtag, a rallying call for a lot of latinos. >> do you think it is actually going to hurt him in the latino community? look at the latest national polling on the latino hispanic vote. donald trump winning 17% of likely hispanic voters.
and secretary clint 65%. that was before the debates. do you think this hurts? >> i'll be the first to concede we're not doing great among vote oefrs color and by the way the republican party hasn't finish me wlex cycles so this is hardly now donald trump. >> it has done better in years past. >> what matters to me as an hispanic is he went down to mexico and i thought acted very presidential when he met with president nieto down there and he said that the mexican american community is a treasure to the united states. e we need and we love legal immigration. and no one by the way is mored a versusly affected by legal immigration than legal immigrants. they are the ones most cheated when we say it is okay illegals
to hop the line and get in front of them to. we are going to get control of our border. we love immigration. he's the son of an immigrant. married to an immigrant. we know what immigration does to the united states in terms of culture, vitality. but we've been right as a people to do it through legal means. >> and there are only key states with largely hispanic populations. it is not monolithic population by any means. is it possible the way governor pence handled donald trump's statements on undocumented immigrants how he pivoted away from trump's cross-talk about conservative deportation that might help some conservatives vote for trump. >> there are some conservative latino voters but they are the huge minority. the very small minority. i came to this country legally too. i came by plane. i did it legally. but i also understand and i think most latinos have the
empathy to understand that but for the grace of god there go i. i came as an eight-year-old girl. but could very well have been a dream ad girl. had not my parents not had the money to hire lawyers and make me legal the way they did. i could have been one of those girls who found out when they were 19 and going into college that i was illegal. but for the grace of god i realized that wasn't the case because i was a lucky and fortunate one. but because this campaign has preyed on latinos, has preyed on immigrants. has made it a pillar of their campaign to attack hispanics and attack immigrants and make it one of the things they stand on they don't get the benefit of the doubt. and -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> -- donald trump has made it so since june 16th when he first announced and called mexicans
rapist. it wasn't me, steve. it was donald trump who went on the attack against mexicans from day one of this campaign. >> steve go ahead. >> what you are doing is you are trying to make the illegal immigrants the victims. they are breaking the law. the victims are not illegals. people who break our immigration laws, people who come here in a way not allowed by our laws. the victims are the american people. >> steve, anna is talking about language that your candidate, the candidate you are supporting has used when you hear some of the lack she's used, do you have any problems with it? >> anderson i'll be the first to say particularly early in the campaign i didn't like the tone. and i think he alienated some hispanics unnecessarily. i think we're doing our very very best to win them over now and try to convince voters of color whether hispanics or african americans that the democratic party has taken you for granted and pandered to you whether it is illegal immigration or schools or
economic opportunity and what we are saying is we have a better way forward for you. and part of it by the way for legal hispanics is that illegal immigration is a non start are for us. >> okay. i got to go. >> and -- >> there is a reason why your hispanic advisory council has shrunk every day. they are ashamed of the words donald trump has used and you should begin by not calls us voters of color and understanding that african american, muslims, hispanics we are all different people with different priorities and -- >> mike pence and tim kaine will both be on new day tomorrow morning. a closer look at the impact gary johnson and jill stein can have, my conversation with ralph nader next. smoked chicken, bake fresh foccacia and hand-slice avocado. there's nothing "or something" about it.
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[indiscernible] . are you supporting any particular candidate this president -- >> no because what i would like do is comment favorably or unfavorably on what they do or say. >> if as the choins between hillary clinton or donald trump do you see much difference? >> of course. but they both flunk. the country deserves a lot better. a failed gambling czar who became a corporate welfare king that's cheated his way to a billion dollars. >> and the secretary clinton. >> more wall street, more war. a hawk that scares the generals. the libya disaster. she over raid gait whose didn't want to top teple the regime in libya because of the chaos. >> what will you do on election day if you don't like any candidates? >> there are third parties and
there are write ins. >> you know the argument about spoilers. you have called the whole idea of a spoiler candidate as the politically bigoted word. >> the two major party candidates never call each other spoilers. it is only directed to a third party candidate who is considered someone who takes votes away. if you have equal right to run for election, then we are all trying to get votes or so we're trying to spoil one another or none of us are spoilers. >> there are some folks watching the polls and saying that hillary clinton is having a hard time getting some millennial voters who were -- you i peel to back then who are also went for president obama. if gary johnson or jill stein are taking votes from hillary clinton but don't have an actual chance of getting into the white house themselves, aren't they by defense spoilers. >> not at all. why don't major candidates take
away votes from johnson and stein. -- in the 190s, he took away some of his platform. so this idea of scapegoating. whining, constantly whining in instead of the democratic party looking at themselves in the mirror. they have been fiddling in the house of representatives trying to assemble all the bad republican votes they passed in the house. they still haven't come out with it. >> so if donald trump won on election day and it is a close election you don't think or hillary clinton won, that the third party candidates would have had anything to do with that. >> not when they are at one, two, three percent. and they are both going to shrink from the present polls. they will be lucky to get 1 or 2%. >> in. so states they are doing double digits. >> there are all kind of sine que non. like in florida. 300,000 registered democrats voted for bush. the secretary of state with her
shenanigans. the butterfly ballot misidentifying thousands as exfelons, taking away their vote. the supreme court decision selecting 5-4 george w. bush. there are a lot of seen sine que nones. >> and i would be surprised if by pushing gore he made critical comments on corporation, oil companies and stronger on the environment that he got far more votes than whatever would have -- >> you actually think by being in the race -- >> yes. when you are at that small level percentage that we were. just a surge of getting out the vote in wisconsin because they thought that the green party was nibble away at them, you know, ensured them gets wisconsin. >> do you think about how the world would be different had you not run in 2000. >> i think the result would have been george w. bush.
there was a poll right after the election. without me in it and he won it. but look how crazy it is, anderson. we have an election where gore won by 550,000 votes national and the electoral college took it a way from him, this crazy electoral it's scapegoating at its worst. the democrat party doesn't want to look itself in the mirror and ask itself, why isn't it land sliding the worst republican party in history and defending the country? they don't want to look at those. they're dialing for the same commercial dollars. >> thank you very much. >> you're welcome. coming up, breaking news. after battering the caribbean and killing ten people, hurricane matthew heads for florida. we'll get the latest. hrimp. and try as much as you want of flavors like new parmesan peppercorn shrimp. just come in before it ends.
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and it starts with copper, the mineral copper. there's copper in brass. there's copper in bronze. the statue of liberty is sheathed in a layer of copper. that's about the thickness of two pennies. pennies themselves used to be copper, but now they're just copper-covered zinc, which sort of seems sad. it makes financial sense, because copper over time became too valuable to use in something as cheap as a penny, because most of what we use copper for now is conducting electricity. we use copper for wiring. there is a massive global appetite for copper. and the world's largest producer of copper is an american company. it's a company that used to be based in new orleans but now the mining company freeport is based in phoenix, arizona. and the freeport mining company of phoenix, arizona, they do still mine copper in arizona and
they mine copper in new mexico and in colorado. but they are a gigantic firm. and they're a global operation. in south america, they mine copper in chile, peru. in indonesia, they operate the largest gold mine in the entire world, which is also the third largest copper mine in the world, which is also a huge silver mine as well. this is an american company, but the physical footprint that freeport has in indonesia, it isn't just visible from space. it's easily visible from space. it's massive. their mine in papua province in indonesia, is basically a massive upside down mountain. it's almost a half million acres. they first discovered mineral wealth there in the 1930s when it was a dutch colony, by the 1970s, indonesia was an independent country and that
mine was one of the biggest open pits in the world. among the many products and byproducts of that mine are of course all that silver and copper and gold. also hundreds of millions of tons of mining waste that they have dumped in the surrounding jungle and rivers. that environmental damage associated with that mine is one of the things that mine is most famous for around the globe. it is also unappreciaby massive, both geographically and economically. freeport's operation in indonesia is so big, in indonesia that company is the single biggest taxpayer for the whole country. and it's not like indonesia is some rinky-dink country. indonesia has 260 million people. the biggest countries on earth by population are china first, then india, then us, then indonesia.
indonesia is ginormous. but of all the 260 million people in indonesia, its biggest tax payment every year comes from arizona, comes from this american company. it's just huge. in our presidential election this past year, do you remember when indonesia had a weird little cameo role? it was in the republican primary. it came up. it was so strange, so inexplicable but unexplained. at the time and until now, it didn't ever make sense until now. and i love it when a story like, you know, doesn't make sense for a year, and then all of a sudden it does. it rarely happens when you get it so clearly, like light dawns on marblehead, oh, that's why that happened. in this case, light dawns on marblehead, now we get it. it started off strangely with no explanation. it was last september, 2015.
a few months into the start of the republican primary. the donald trump candidacy had started in june of 2015, and it was almost, honestly, treated as a joke from thbeginning. his supporters can crow about that now, and they do, but at the time it was treated mostly as a joke. and there were some funny things, some laughable things about the launch of the trump candidacy, up to and including reports that the candidate had to hire extras, he literally had to pay actors to pretend to be his supporters at his day one announcement at trump tower. but however soft and even silly his ndidacy seemed at the very start, it ught fire r real very quickly, so much so that by the fall of 2015, the republican party was already worrying openly about donald trump's poll numbers. he was definitely leading. and the were worried that even if one of their more normal candidates could beat trump to get the nomination, they were worried that he was showing such support in the polls, maybe he
might bolt the republican party and run as a third party, an independent candidate against whoever the republican nominee was. this was a real concern, moderators at the debates, and ultimately the party itself, started asking all the republican candidates to make a pledge, to pledge that they would support whoever the party ended up nominating. and there was a little question as to whether the other candidates would really pledge to definitely do that, because there was a chance to donald trump might become the nominee and would they all be comfortable making that pledge. but mostly the republicans were worried about trump himself. would trump make a pledge like that? would he really pledge, not just to not run as an independent, but to wholeheartedly support whoever the republican nominee was, even if it was somebody like low energy jeb bush or lyin' ted or little marco? the republican party was very worried about that, because
initially the answer from trump was that he would make no such pledge. >> is there anyone onstage, and can i see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? again, we're looking for you to raise your hand now. raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. mr. trump, to be clear, you're standing on a republican -- >> i fully understand. >> the place where the rnc will give the nominee the nod. >> i fully understand. >> just to be clear, we're going to move on, you're not going to make the pledge? >> i'm not going to make the pledge at this time. >> that was august 2015. major point of contention in the
republican party. major point of contention at the republican debates. lots and lots of drama around that issue. all the other candidates say, yeah, i'll make the pledge. but donald trump for a long time wouldn't. and that is why it was genuinely a big deal, it was the resolution to something around which there was a lot of tension. it was a big deal when on september 3rd, donald trump changed tack, finally announced that yes, he would sign this pledge. >> i have signed the problem. [ applause ] so i will be totally pledging my allegiance to the republican party and the conservative principles for which it stands. and we will go out and we will fight hard and we will win. >> he signed it. he signed the pledge. i have signed the pledge.
it sort of feels like a silly turn in the campaign, now looking back at it. but at the time it was a big deal in the republican primary. there were two things that were weird about it when it happened. the first one was when he held up that piece of paper, everybody could see that the date on it was wrong. it was september 3rd, not august 3rd. that was kind of weird, the date was wrong. the second thing that was strange was, hey, what's this random indonesian guy doing there for this announcement? it was a weird moment at the time and it really made no sense until now. we're having one of those moments when something that previously made no sense, makes sense. this is what happened that day. this is how donald trump, he wrapped up, and then restarted his press conference about signing that silly republican pledge. it was so weird at the time. watch. >> thank you, everybody. thank you. thank you. [ applause ]
hey, ladies and gentlemen, this is a very -- an amazing man. he is, as you know, right, speaker of the house of indonesia. he's here to see me. one of the most powerful men and a great man and his whole group is here to see me today. we will do great things for the united states; is that correct? >> yes. >> do they like me in indonesia? >> yes, thank you very much. >> speaker of the house in indonesia. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> that was such a random moment in the presidential election, right? such a random moment in the republican primary. press conference is over, he convenes this press conference to announce he signs this pledge, holds the pledge up with the wrong date on it, thanks everybody, walks away, comes back to the podium, starts up the press conference to tell everybody how awesome it is that he's meeting with his friend,
december 2015, three months after he had that weird meeting with trump that nobody understood, that guy, the speaker of the house in indonesia, forced to resign in the midst of this scandal. and then over the course of the ensuing year, things got even more wild than that. he was facing this ethics tribunal for this caught on tape corruption scandal. but then the tape itself got ruled inadmissible as evidence before the tribunal. and this guy was powerful enough and connected enough that even though he had had to resign in disgrace, even though everybody had heard the tape, right after our election in november, this past november, they actually returned this guy to power as speaker of the house again. and now two things have happened that sort of make us understand our new world. two things have happened that make this all make sense. number one is that the trump organization has just confirmed to "the new york times" that donald trump's new real estate deals, that golf course he wants
to build, that resort he wants to build, the indonesian resort deals that brought this politician to trump tower in the first place, trump organization has just confirmed to "the new york times" those deals are on. those projects are moving forward. remember when donald trump said right after he was elected that there would be no new deals by the trump organization? now that he's president-elect? there are new deals that are absolutely under way in west java, that's the golf course, and in bali, that's the hotel. must be nice to have a very powerful politician like the country's speaker of the house helping you out with real estate deals like that. and what does the indonesian speaker of the house get out of this deal? the man who was caught on tape trying to squeeze $4 billion out of that gigantic american mining company, that's the largest taxpayer in his country? that brings us to the final piece of this, which is apparently how it's going to
work in this country. we're used to reading about how stuff works like this with autocratic leaders who have been in power for decades, and their extended family who own more wealth than the rest of the country combined, right, politicians who get caught for corruption in foreign countries, we're used to reading about this in like terrible human rights reports on countries that end in "-stan." but now we get an american chapter of this story, because the last piece of this is that just as this speaker of the house in indonesia gets reinstated, after his corruption charges get thrown out on a technicality, just as this speaker of the house helping donald trump with his real estate deals gets put back in power, and just as those deals that will enrich the american president personally, just as those real estate deals get turned back on in indonesia, at the same time our incoming president announces the newest
member of his administration, who will serve without a salary and will not be asked to disclose any of his business contacts, a man who has been consulted already on the head of the epa, who is consulting now on picking the head of the sec, who will apparently be in charge of reviewing all corporation regulations in the new administration, this new key member of the federal government for whom they have invented a job without a formal portfolio, he is the single largest shareholder in that mining company, whose mines in indonesia you can see from space. the company that did not pay the $4 billion shakedown price to that politician who is personally helping donald trump get richer in indonesia as president. and now that company will presumably be in an excellent position to do whatever needs to be done to benefit whoever needs to be benefitted.
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congress. we're looking at archived tape today of the first day of the congress that ended today, like what happened, today is the final day, what happened on the first day? there was this great metaphor come to life moment on day one, at the very start of this past congress. then republican speaker john boehner, taking the podium to start the new congress, to start the session. we learned something we knew knew before. right over that black banner, see the black banner there? see that? the podium is a machine. it goes up. whoop! is rises from the earth. if you snap your heels together right and say the magic word, it rises, whoop! that was the first option day of this congress, we learned that about the podium. today is now officially the last day of this congress. and however excited the republicans were, however much the metaphors all pointed in an upgoing direction, for all the things they were going to do
with complete control of the house and the senate for these past two years, we can now say it has not gone well. let's start just for perspective with after world war ii. this is all the congresses, all the sessions of congress that have happened since 1947. those blue lines show the number of bills that each congress was able to pass. the last line with the arrow pointing to it, that is the congress that comes to an end today. you will notice that congress over the last few years has been a little stunted, is probably the polite way to put it, since the republicans took over the house in their big wave election in 2010. look at that, the three congresses since then, the 114th congress just ended today, those three are the least productive congresses of all time. since the republicans took control of the house in 2010, the three congresses since then
rank first, second, and third as the least productive congresses we've ever had, since anybody started tracking the productivity of congresses at the end of world war ii. this congress just ending today also had the lowest confirmation rate for civilian nominees in modern american history. for the first time since the modern budget process was created in 1974, this congress for the first time ever, they didn't even try to pass a budget. at least in previous terrible congresses, they tried and failed to pass a budget. this time they didn't even bother to try before they failed. this congress that just died -- excuse me, this congress that just ended today, they also worked the fewest days of any congress in the last 60 years. that's impressive. congress is less popular than gum on your shoe. congress is less popular than gum on your socks. congress is less popular than gum in your hair. and it has been for a good long time.
but this congress just wrapping up today, they are special. they have truly distinguished themselves for doing absolutely freaking nothing. that said, a new congress starts tomorrow morning. and the new congress that starts tomorrow is going to be very different than it has been for these past few years. i mean, it's possible they may be so atrophied from lack of activity, they're all going to spring something when they raise their hands to get sworn in tomorrow. barring that, we're expecting that things will get very, very busy, very, very fast, start tomorrow. which will be a new thing to behold, after watching congress doing zippo for six straight years. the last six years we've lived through have been the least productive time in congress ever. and that's now what we've gotten used to. tomorrow, that changes. if you have been zoning out since the election and not wanted to pay attention to the news, i understand it, i get it. oh, i get it. but stuff really is starting to happen very fast now. the time to not pay attention to
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>> what were you smoking? no one thought that. >> i know no one thought that but we wanted to be ready. what i told our committee years ago, assume we get the white house and congress, then come 2018, what do you want to have accomplished for the country? so this is exactly what congress and the house has been working on for the last year, getting everything ready to basically rock and roll in 2017 and get working. >> speaker of the house paul ryan is ready to rock and roll, basically, in 2017. republicans lost seats in the house and in the senate in this election, lost two seats in the senate, six seats in the house. but they are in charge on both sides of capitol hill and are about to have a president of their own party. donald trump will be sworn in january 20th. but the new congress gets sworn in tomorrow. what they say they're going to start working on out of the gate is a tiny little list. dismantling obamacare, starting to rip up medicaid, the health
insurance that more than one in five americans are on. they want to kill the consumer financial production bureau, kill the wall street reforms put in place after the crash, the dodd/frank law. they want to start privatizing the va, which most veterans say they're very opposed to. and of course they want big tax cuts for the wealthiest americans and for corporations. and that's just the start. that's what they want to start with. it's a very big and ambitious agenda. they've been wait to go fulfill it for years, as you heard paul ryan just explain there. they have been planning it for some time now. remember those dozens of times they fake repealed obamacare? now we know why they did it so many times. practice, practice, practice. but i have to tell you, we're also just getting in some breaking news tonight from capitol hill. this has just come in since we've been on the air. it's apparently started already. house republicans met in a closed door conference tonight and voted basically to scrap the independent ethics office in congress.
this is the office of congressional ethics that was created eight years ago after a particularly lurid period of repeated congressional scandals. it's an independent ethics office that investigates misconduct of lawmakers and staff members in the house. but there was a closed door meeting of house republicans tonight and they voted that instead of maintaining the independent office of congressional ethics, they're going to put it under a congressional committee, under the house ethics committee. it sounds like a bureaucratic change, but what that means is there's no independent ethics oversight of congress. it means lawmakers themselves now get to police themselves for ethics. this means no ethics investigation information will have to be released to the public. they can police themselves now. nancy pelosi put out a statement on this tonight. quote, republicans claim they want to drain the swamp but the night before the new congress gets sworn in, the house gop has
eliminated the only independent ethics oversight of their actions. evidently ethics are the first casualty of the republican congress. that news breaking in the last half hour. ed o'keefe, editor at "the washington post," happy new year. >> good to see you, rachel. >> and happy new congress. let me ask you about this breaking news we just got about the independent ethics office in congress. where did that come from and why is this an important change? >> so the office of congressional ethics was established back in 2008, essentially in the wake of the abramoff scandal, the mark foley scandal, there was a public outcry and they realized they had to set up an independent watchdog to field complaints about campaign improprieties, personal behavior, other things. it's existed for the last eight years, barely has a set of teeth, and has presented information over the last few
years that has led to the removal or resignation of some lawmakers. there's a belief that they could have done a lot more. what republicans have done, let's be specific about this, had a closed door meeting, after the sun went down, yes, those things actually do happen, and decided amongst themselves that when the new house convenes tomorrow afternoon, they're going to present a rules package that has to be voted on by republicans and democrats that will include close that go office and putting it under the how the ethics committee. the reason is a majority of republicans believe the way this office has worked in the last eight years is in essence unfair to them because it doesn't allow them the chance to appeal some of these complaints. the new office won't be allowed to field anonymous tips which is what the current one has been allowed to do. one other important thing to point out here, we know that paul ryan and majority leader kevin mccarthy opposed closing this office because they don't want you and i having this conversation and they don't want this to become a pr nightmare
for them, frankly, as the new congress convenes tomorrow. this goes against everything donald trump would have campaigned about, right, draining the swamp and the desire to do things in washington to make it an ethical place? this seems to run counter to that. it will be interesting to watch republican lawmakers tomorrow explain why they want to do this. >> will there be a difference now in terms of us, the press, and we, the public, getting information about ethics complaints, about ethics investigations of lawmakers? is there an issue in terms of just what we have access to when these complaints are made, when lawmakers are looked into in terms of ethical misdoings? >> absolutely. and it was already pretty bad to begin with, because the process was so secretive, you couldn't get information out of this office for fear they would get shut down the way they may tomorrow, frankly. but ultimately we would get reports that either tell us that somebody was indeed facing some ethical questions or that they
had been excused. but it was a months-long, very secretive process. it probably will be even more so now, if it goes through. >> in terms of the politics here, you mentioned that very important point that house speaker paul ryan and majority leader kevin mccarthy didn't want to do this. they did not want this to be the first headline of the new congress, that they'll be getting rid of the ethics office. that implies that they're having issues controlling their own conference. i mean, this vote tonight didn't involve any democrats. this vote was republicans only. and they lost it by a lot. if their leadership was telling them to vote no, the yes vote was 119-74. that suggests some deep clefts in the republican caucus, even before they get fully under way. >> well, anyone who has been watching this television show known as congress for the last eight years knows that clefts have existed, frankly. this is just an example of the kinds of divisions we'll see over the next few months. yes, republicans starting
tomorrow are going to begin the process of trying to change obamacare, revamp the tax code, undo the dodd/frank financial reforms of the last few weeks, and a host of other things. but they haven't come to unanimous agreement on how exactly that should be done. you'll see plenty of disagreements over the course of this, between hard core conservatives who want to do it one way, mainstream conservatives who want to do it another, and those that realize that if they do too much of this, they could suffer some setbacks in two years in the 2018 elections. we've seen democrats successfully run in the past against republicans by saying they want to undo your medicaid, your medicare, now they want to undo your obamacare, now they want to give it back to the big banks and let them do whatever they want. those campaign messages can work in some situations. yet they say, and it's true, they have a mandate because they have total control of congress and they have the right to at least begin this process. we'll see how it goes. >> ed o'keefe, congressional reporter for "the washington post." i had no idea there would be such substantive news about the new congress before it even starts.
>> shows what you we're in for. >> exactly. time to pay attention. thanks, ed, appreciate it. >> take care. much more ahead tonight, including some breaking news with some striking visuals about something that's going on an airports around the country right now. plus an announcement about something that's going to happen on this show tomorrow which is a very big deal and for which i'm already nervous. stay with us. for lower back pain sufferers, the search for relief often leads... here... here... or here. today, there's another option. drug-free aleve direct therapy.
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outage. they say they're working to fix it. customs officials say they're using alternative procedures for clearing passengers for their flights but meanwhile thousands of people using u.s. airports tonight, think of all the people coming home from the holiday weekend, lots of people need to be back at work tomorrow morning, thousands of people have been stalled at airport counters around the country tonight. people have posted pictures of epic lines in atlanta and boston and fort lauderdale. two people reportedly fainted tonight while they were trying to wait out a giant line in miami. more than 30 international flights were affected at miami. if you're wondering whether this computer outage is some sort of cyber attack on u.s. customs, so far we are not getting any word of that. we don't yet know what caused the customs computer system to crash. but whatever caused it, this is turning out to be an especially not-nice night at the airport all over the country. we'll let you know as we learn more. but if you are out in the middle of this right now, i'm sorry.
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president became the nominee that year to succeed him. heading into the 1968 election, things didn't look great for the democrats. the party was not at all unified behind its candidate, vice president hubert humphrey. and after the civil rights legislation, southern democrats peeled off to vote for produced segregationist george wallace. not to mention the country was torn up over the vietnam war, and if you were against the war like most americans were at the time, you were maybe not excited to vote for lbj's vice president to be his democratic successor that year. so things were stacked against the democrats in '68 anyway. but the republican candidate running in 1968 knew that very well. richard nixon was the republican candidate in '68. he was determined to take advantage of anti-vietnam-war sentiment in the country. he said if you wanted to end the vietnam war, you needed to elect
him, vote the democrats out of office. but five nights before the election was due to happen, the democratic president, lbj, went on tv and made a surprise announcement that peace was at hand in vietnam. the communist side, the north vietnamese, were going to make major concessions, and the south vietnamese were going to agree to a deal based on those concessions. peace was at hand. in recognition of the fact that peace was about to be declared, he said the united states would step back right away and stop all military operations in vietnam. lbj made that announcement on the thursday before the election was due to happen on tuesday. but in the interim, on saturday morning, it all fell party. the south vietnamese side pulled out of the peace talks and the
war was back on for the reasons those very promising peace talks in 1968 failed is because of this incredible audiotape of lbj, president johnson in 1968, after the whole thing fell apart.
>> johnson confiding in his longtime friend, senator richard russell, that the republican nominee, richard nixon, had been interfering in the peace talks to blow them up. richard nixon approached the south vietnamese side and the peace talks and told them, get out of these peace talks, don't agree to a deal, you're getting suckered here. just wait until after the election when he, richard nixon, would be president and he'd give them a much better deal. nixon's intermediary was caught on tape actually telling south vietnamese, hang on through the election, hang on, basely don't end the war, we need the war to keep going until the election. hold on until you get nixon. and those communications to the south vietnamese worked. i mean, at least the politics worked for nixon. nixon got elected. he always denied he'd done anything to fro long the war for his own political purposes, denied he'd done anything to destroy that chance at peace in vietnam. always denied that to the end.
now we know his denials were total bullpucky. author of a new nixon biography, historian john farrell, uncovered notes from nixon's closest aide showing nixon directed his campaign to scuttle the peace talks. october 22nd, 1968, notes taken by that staffer show that nixon told him to monkey wrench these efforts to start the peace negotiations. "any other way to monkey wrench it? anything r.n., anything richard nixon can do?" nixon also directed his vice presidential candidate agnew to threaten the cia director richard helms around these negotiations. the notes read "agnew, go see helms, tell him we want the truth or he hasn't got the job." meaning he won't stay on as director of the cia once i'm president unless he does what i want here. nothing like threatening the cia director even before you take office, right?
that's one way to get kind of paranoid that maybe your intelligence agencies might turn on you or they're after you. that they're a political actor that needs to be managed. that's exactly what happened. in the months before president-elect nixon took office, he was so skeptical of intelligence agencies in the united states government that he refused to accept the intelligence briefings offered by the outgoing administration. he didn't take a single face-to-face meeting with the cia staff that was in place specifically to provide transition support to him. intelligence community sent nixon's transition, they sent them envelopes containing the presidential daily briefs since he wouldn't do a face-to-face briefing. at the end of his transition period, the office returned all the envelopes unopened. convinced they were political players, working behind the scene to get his opponent elected. in 50 years president nixon was the only president-elect to openly distrust the intelligence community to that kind of degree before now.
>> it seems like you have a tendency just looking at it from the outside to doubt american intelligence when it comes to russian hack i'm trying to better understand why it seems that way. >> i just want them to be sure because it's a pretty serious charge. i want them to be sure and if you look at the weapons of mass destruction, that was a disaster and they were wrong. i want them to be sure. i think it's unfair if they don't know. i know a lot of hacking and hacking is a very hard thing to prove so it could be somebody else and i also know things that other people don't know and so they cannot be sure of this situation. >> like what? what do you know that other people don't know? >> you'll find out on tuesday or wednesday. >> "i know a lot about hacking. i know things that other people don't know. they cannot be sure of the situation." so far, we don't know what mr. trump knows that the rest of us do not know. maybe we will find out tomorrow or wednesday. although his campaign says don't hold your breath. we have seen this kind of
strange relationship with the intelligence community before. it was earned in very different ways then. it was weird then. it's weird now. but at least there is some precedent. not a good precedent. there is some precedent.
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behold, turns out republicans took up 10 of the top 13 spots. leading the way former house intelligence committee chairman republican congressman mike rogers. he made 27 appearances that same year. did the same list again in 2014. mike rogers came out on top. in 2014, not a single democrat featured in the top ten. 2015, mike rogers retired. replacing him at the top of the sunday show rankings was donald trump. but the pattern of republican dominance continued. 2015, out of the top 20 guests on the sunday shows, 4 of the 20 were democrats. four. an that brings us to 2016. steve has again gone through the process of crunching the numbers so the rest of us can just relax and yell at the tv. again, turns out republicans were overrepresented on the shows, took up 12 of the top 16 spots in 2016. this time we got a new leader and it was not a republican. first time it's happened.
except, of course, it went a democrat, either. number one spot, first time ever, bernie sanders. independent senator from vermont. 2016, bernie sanders blew the competition out of the water, appeared on the sunday shows 70 times almost doubling the president-elect who came in second place. senator sanders was supposed to be here with us live on this show tonight. due to weather-related issues, he could not get here in time. i'm sorry about that, but i think tomorrow night, i think we are going to be joined by two of the biggest power brokers, power sources, power senators in the democratic party. one of whom is well known but nobody knows exactly what kind of a leader he's going to be. chuck schumer. and one of whom is very well known but nobody exactly knows how he's going to fit into the new democratic party. bernie sanders. the new democratic leader in the senate, chuck schumer, will be with us tomorrow night. i plan to ask him about what the democratic party is going to do in the age of trump.
>> jason carroll, thanks so much. donald trump did have a new policy proposal. term limits for members of congress. he's calling for a constitutional amendment. it would take a constitutional amendment that would restrict members to six years of service, senators, 12 years. on monday, they proposed an ethics on when the executive branch leave office. cnn has learned new details about donald trump's preparation for the final debate. a source tells us that rnc chair reince priebus played the moderators with new jersey governor chris christie playing hillary clinton. this is a bit of a change doing mock scenarios. we had been told in the first debate, he did not do this. did not want to do this, apparently coming in nor prepared. hillary clinton, she's been off the campaign trail for several days, raising money and preparing for tonight's debate. in the very first debate she
seemed to be trying to bait trump. at 9:00 p.m. eastern, she is expected to employ a different strategy, according to cnn's jeff zeleny. >> that's right, hillary clinton is getting ready for her final debate with donald trump. she's preparing in a different way. now, she's been actually familiarizing herself with all of those campaign e-mails and previous positions and statements unearthed through the stolen hacked e-mails published by wikileaks. it is a new development in this campaign. something she is preparing for. something she expected donald trump will go after. she will also, i'm told, go after what donald trump is did calling a rigged election. pushing back hard, perhaps as a way to get under donald trump's skin. she's also going to make the case for why she can be the president for all americans. of course, that message is aimed at getting some republicans some moderate voters who may not have
been open for voting for her. but they simply cannot be there for trump. she's trying to make the case today, "a," she's presidential, and "b," even if you don't love her, you still may want to vote for her because donald trump in the eyes of the clinton campaign is simply not fit for president. of course, donald trump will be getting his last licks in. this is the last time before a big audience raising case about honesty and her trustworthiness. with the campaign less than three weeks away from election day. john and christine. >> jeff zeleny for us. the third installment of the debate trilogy is tonight on cnn. we are here now. we'll be here all day long. christine romans. >> thank you so much, john berman. president obama has a message for donald trump, quit whining. the commander in chief calling out donald trump for his repeated claim that's election
is rigged. listen to him mock the gop for what he calls the unprecedented and dangerous attack on the nation's election system. >> that is both irresponsible. and by the way, doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you want out of a president. you start whining before the game's even over. if whenever things are going badly for you, you start blaming somebody else? then you don't have what it takes to be in this job. >> the president hosted his final state dinner last night welcoming italian prime minister matteo renzi. in his toast on the south lawn he borrowed a line from yogi berra telling the crowd it ain't over 'til it's over. heavyweights for v.p., an e-mail allegedly sent by gop
mike pence. has a list, tim cook, bill gates, mary barra, howard schultz and muhtar kent. with tim kaine this was an early list along with kaine, elizabeth sanders and others made the cut. much snarking on social media. podesta said he organized the list by food groups. those groups were gender and race as well as professional background. will they or won't they? a lot of speculation whether donald trump and hillary clinton will shake hands before tonight's third and final debate. we already know who won't be shaking hands. details ahead on "early start." "credit karma, why are you checking your credit score?"
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hewlett-packard ceo meg williams and 345shg cuban. donald trump has invited president obama's kenyan-born half brother malik. and he will be bringing kristin smith, the mother of sean smith who has held hillary clinton responsible for her son's death. we do not know if hillary clinton and donald trump will shake hands when they walk in. there will be no hand shakes between the candidates' family members. the clinton camp reportedly suggested a new setup at the start. according to the "the new york times," family members will now enter the hall in their assigned seats instead of crossing the stage like you saw there. bill clinton and ivanka and the trump boys. clinton worried about trump pulling off a stunt like packing the audience with bill clinton's
female accusers. "people" magazine is standing by the article that bill clinton sexually assaulted her in 1995. family and friends who corroborate natasha stoynoff's story. look at her, i don't think so. >> john and christine, "people" magnifiering back at donald and melania trump after both of those vigorously denied natasha stoynoff's account of donald trump sexually assaulting her. stoynoff's mentor and former journalism professional paul mclock ineven tweeting this. in 2005 natasha phoned me crying saying trump assaulted her. she is telling the truth.
hash tag natasha stoynoff. when at mar-a-lago, and writing in a "people" magazine article this. she said, we walked into that room alone and trump shut the door behind us. i turned around and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. stoynoff said she asked her editors to be taken off trump coverage but never came forward publicly until now. she also wrote that she later ran into melania trump on fifth avenue and asking her why they didn't see her anymore. melania denying that to anderson cooper. >> that never happened. she interviewed twice, and for that story, that's it. i did not see her on the street or ask her why we don't see her name. >> "people" releasing a quote for a friend saying she was with
stoynoff for that exact encounter. a friend said they chatted in a friendly way. what struck me the most was melania was carrying a child and wearing heels. melania stands by her denial of this ever happening and still demands an a retraction and apology from "people" magazine. 17 minutes after. the operation for the fight for mosul. iraq's second largest city. how long will this take and are americans forces in harm's way here? we've got a live report from iraq -- next.
the operation to liberate mosing could take two months, that assessment from a kurdish military commander after day two of the offensive. nearly 100,000 troops are marching on iraq's second largest city. their mission to bring an end two more than two years of isis rule there and push the extremist group out of the country for good. we want to go live to erbil, iraq, michael holmes is at the front. >> reporter: yeah, christine, it's moving well, the iraqi and kurdish leadership and also the americans, they're all saying this advance on mosul is on schedule or even ahead of schedule. it's a very are deliberate methodical advance, though. they're taking and clearing territory as they go. and then having to hold it as
well. iraqi forces say they're continuing to liberate towns and villages on route to mosul. in fact, the commander of one division telling cnn that his forces have destroyed, in his words, dozens of suicide vehicles. also saying they've cleared a large number of ieds. and have killed at least 50 isis fighters over the last two days since this offensive began. they also found, and we had heard an these, too, they found networks of tunnels used to transport weaponry. and they found food in one of those tunnels that was still warm. those iraqi forces and kurdish forces working to take on the areas they've taken before moving on closer to mosul. there are perhaps some units perhaps within 10 kilometers of mosul. so they're getting ever closer. as you said, the estimate is perhaps two weeks before
everything is in place. and coordinated to begin the assault itself. and then once inside the city, it really gets tough. it could take two months, perhaps more to defeat isis in that city. isis reportedly has anywhere between 3,000 and 5,000 fighters inside. of course, we have to remember, there are up to 1 million civilians still inside that city and in a pier littlous situation, christine. >> absolutely. thanks for that report, michael holmes. breaking overnight, caught on video, police ramming into protesters injuring several. this happened at an anti-u.s. rally at the american embassy in manila. look at this, video footage showing demonstrators hitting the vans with ba tons. they had taken the batons from police. they gathered to put an end to u.s. troops in the philippines and to support a call by president duterte for a foreign policy not dependent on the u.s.
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i'm live at the university of nevada in las vegas. but, we actually have people out here now to watch, to watch this show to join us as we count down to the third and final debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. this could be the last best chance for donald trump to right his ship. to claw his way back into the campaign. you can see the excitement building here on campus. donald trump he is behind the latest round of national polls by a lot in some of those polls. he's also trailing in most of the key battleground states. he made two stops in battleground colorado on his way here. urging his supporters don't believe the polls. and he delivered a kind of dire warning about a possible clinton victory. >> history will record that 2017 was the year that america lost, truly lost its independence. truly lost its independence. and, by the way, this is our
final shot, folks. in four years, it's over. you're never going to be able to win. you're never going to be able to win. it's going to be a one-party system. this is your final shot. >> donald trump is also renewing his pledge to build a wall along the border with mexico. he describes himself to voters in colorado as a unifier. let's get more now from cnn's jason carroll. >> reporter: john and christine, donald trump had very little about the debate to the crowd here in grand junction, colorado, he did say that the debate would be, quote, interesting. certainly, a number of his supporters want him to stay on message during the debate. and while he's out on the campaign trail, having said that a number of gop leaders pushing back on donald trump's unfounded claims that the electoral process is, quote, rigged. they certainly want him to stop talking about it when he's out on the campaign trail. but donald trump kept pushing the idea anyway. >> the moment is going to be
november 8th. it's very simple. and we will -- we've just begun to fight. they even want to try and rig the election at the polling booth where so many cities are corrupt and voter fraud is all too common. then they say, oh, there's no voter fraud in our country. there's no voter fraud. no, there's no voter fraud. take a look at st. louis. take a look at philadelphia. take a look at chicago. then i have even the republicans saying, oh, this is a wonderful -- look. look. if nothing else, people are going to be watching on november 8th. >> reporter: trump holding the media responsible for what he calls that rigged system. saying that the media has been, quote, lying, cheating and stealing, again these are donald trump's words. he also said that the media at this point is worse than his opponent hillary clinton. john, christine.
>> all right, jason carroll, thanks so much. donald trump will unveil a new policy, term limits for congressional amendments that will restrict house terms to six years, senate members to two terms, 12 years. on monday trump proposed a series of ethics reform including a five-year ban on lobbying when members of the executive branch leave office. cnn has learned new details about donald trump's preparation for the final debate here at the university of nevada in las vegas. a source telling us that rnc chair reince priebus played the moderator in final sessions with new jersey governor chris christie playing hillary clinton. this is a mock debate format. the kind of thing he did not like to do before the first debate. interesting that he's doing it now. hillary clinton has been off the campaign trail for several days raising money and preparing for tonight's debate.
in the first debate, she seemed to be trying to bait donald trump. when they square off tonight in several hours from now, she's expected to employ a different strategy. let's get the latest from cnn's jeff zeleny. >> reporter: that's right, hillary clinton is getting ready for her third and final debate with donald trump she's preparing just as much as she did for the first two but i'm told in a very different way. now, she's actually familiarizing herself with all of the campaign e-mails in previous statements that have been unearthed through the stolen hacked e-mails published by wikileaks. it's a new development in the campaign. something she is preparing for. something she expects donald trump will go after. she will also go after what donald trump is calling a rigged election. she'll be pushing back on that hard, perhaps as a way to get under donald trump's skin. she's also going to make the case for why she can be the president for all americans. now, of course, that message is aimed at getting some republicans, some moderate
voters who may not have been open to voting for her but they simply cannot vote for donald trump. overall, that is her objective in tonight's debate trying to make the case, "a," she's presidential. and "b," even if you don't love her, you may still want to vote for her, donald trump in the eyes of the clinton campaign is simply not fit to be president. donald trump will be getting his last licks in. this is the last time before a big audience for raise his case. raising questions about her honestly and truft worthiness without question. tonight's debate will set the stage for the rest of the campaign less than three weeks away from election day. john and christine. >> thank you so much. debate number three is tonight. cnn here now and all day long. christine romans. >> all day and all night. we don't even know what time it is in vegas. we don't even need to know. president obama has a message for donald trump, quit
whining. the commander in chief calling out trump for his repeated claims this election is rigged. obama mocking the gop for what he calls a dangerous unprecedented attempt on the nation's office. michelle kosinski has more. >> hi, john and christine, in case you haven't noticed president obama is happy to speak his mind on donald trump. it's clear that he sees opportunities. listen to what he said yesterday when asked about donald trump's recent comments on a rigged election. >> that is both irresponsible, and by the way, doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you want out of a president. you start whining before the game's even over? if whenever things are going
badly for you and you lose, you start blaming somebody else? then you don't have what it takes to be in this job. >> president also took a heavy shot, not just at donald trump's praise of russian president vladimir putin but also again for republicans who continue to support donald trump. and as we wind down the days before this election actually happens, we can expect to see, again, president obama and the first lady out on the campaign trail this week. john and christine. >> all right, michelle kosinski. top issue for millennial voters and their parents. stupid loan debt. brand new report shows grads are leaving college with more debt than ever before. here are the grim numbers. the average student loan at graduation is now $30,100. that's up 4% from the last year. that amounts in $300 a month. think about that, these kids are graduating $300 in debt payments every month for ten years.
those averages are higher because that does not include students at for profit colleges. most students at for profit colleges do take out loans and they tend to borough higher amounts. private schools cost families an average of $26,400 last year. v% of median income. the amount of students taking automatic loans for college may have plateaued though. right now, 68% of kids have taken out loans in in 1983, less than half. and top that at 24% at 2012. and hillary clinton inviting two billionaires. real billionaires, not fake billionaires like donald trump, donald trump is bringing a relative of president obama needling the president about his half brother. more on earl"early start" next.
john berman here at the university of nevada in las vegas. where the anticipation is building, along with the crowd. we have at least three, four, five people here maybe. i expect we could get to a dozen by 5:30 eastern time. as the excitement building for tonight. the third and final debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. our thanks to the students for sticking to their study plans and being here to support us on this debate. both candidates, they will be bringing guests to the debate tonight. hillary clinton bringing a couple of billionaires. mark cuban will be there owner of the dallas mavericks. and hewlett-packard ceo meg whitman will be there as well. donald trump invited president obama's kenyan-born half brother malik who is reportedly
supporting donald trump. and donald trump also inviting patricia smith the mother of benghazi victim sean smith. saying she holds hillary clinton responsible for her son's death. donald trump and hillary clinton they did not shake hands prior to the second debate. we do not know if they will or will not tonight. but we do know there will be no handshakes between the candidates' family members beginning at the debate. that is because, reportedly, the clinton campaign requested a new setup. according to the "the new york times" family members will now enter the hall closer to their assigned seats, instead of crossing each other's paths on stage like you're seeing right now. sources tell cnn that the clinton team is worried about a stunt like donald trump pulled in the second debate, seating in the crowd. people who have accused president clinton of past sexual misconduct. christine romans, back to you. a new undercover video
appears to be going democratic operatives of how to have trump supporters in acts of violence. the video suggests that the operatives hired by the dnc may have had a chance in instigating violence. now, two people now out of their jobs as more questions are raised. snrch investigative correspondent drew griffin breaks it all down for us. >> reporter: the undercover videos produced by discredited conservative activist james o'keefe suggested that democratic operatives hired political activists, working in coordination with the dnc to instigate violence and incite reactions at trump rallies. and one of the under cover videos, scott phobele, a subcontractor for a dnc hired firm supposedly describes how he does it. >> it's a script, script of
engagement. sometimes the crazies bite and sometimes the crazy don't fight. the mediaological cover it no matter where it happens. initiating the conflict by having leading conversations with people. and honestly, it is not hard to get some of these assholes to pop off. >> right. >> it's a matter of showing, once you get into a rally in a planned parenthood t-shirt. or trump is a nazi. you know, a you can message to draw them out and draw them to punch you. >> reporter: according to the undercover video it was this man that the democratic national committee turned to, bob creamer is the hunt of jan schakowsky. s he, too, was caught on
undercover video, here is how he was hired by the democratic national committee to stage press conferences wherever the trump campaign showed up. >> wherever trump and pence are going to be at events. >> okay. the. >> we have a whole team across the country that does that, both consultants and people from the campaign. and, you know, my role in the campaign is to make it go away. >> reporter: creamer stepped down from the campaign today and announced his subcontractor scott foval was no longer working for his firm. both the dnc and the clinton campaign denied any coordination with anything involving the incitement of violence. creamer herself told cnn his former contractors were committing barroom talk, insisting none of what is described by foval actually happened. in a statement, creamer writes
we regret the unprofessional and careless hypothetical conversations that were captured on hidden cameras of a regional contractor for our firm. he is no longer working with us. the clinton campaign respond, while project veritas has been known to offer misleading video out of context, some of the language and tactics referenced are troubling. we support the democratic national committee appropriate action addressing this matter and look forward to continue waging a campaign of ideas worthy of our democratic process. james o'keefe is a convicted criminal, they add, with a history of doctoring video to advance his ideological agenda. >> drew griffin, thank you for that. the dnc says there is no evidence that anything described on the tapes actually happened. they will investigate whether james o'keefe broke the law to get the undercover recordings. and the partnership said it was
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rbil from michael holmes. >> reporter: christine, as both iraqi and kurdish forces move closer to mosul what they're doing is a very deliberate, methodical advance taking in villages as they go. what we're hearing obviously shows such clearing is not an exact science. we just had a disturbing report in the last hour or so. that some iraqi soldiers, we don't know exactly how many have in fact been surrounded by isis fighters. this is near a village about 15 miles south of mosul. we're still checking into the details of that. the feeling is that they went through some villages, kept on moving, but isis fighters were left behind. perhaps fighting in those villages. came up behind them, surrounding them at the moment. still obviously a very dangerous situation and waiting to get more information on that. however, the iraqi command this is that they're going to
continue to liberate towns on their way to mosul. in fact, the commander of one division told cnn that his forces have destroyed dozens of suicide vehicles. they've cleared a large number of i ed and bobby traps and killed at least 50 fighters in the last two days. they've also, and this possibly ties into what happened with these soldiers now reportedly surrounded. there are these networks of tunnels that are in these toungs and villages, reportedly right throughout mosul as well, used to transport fighters and weaponry around the battlefield. reports that food found in one of those tunnels was still warm. so you can get a sense of what's going on underground. and the key now is to hold those areas they've taken, before they can move closer on to mosul. as you said, it's perhaps two weeks before they're told everything is likely in place to assault mosul itself. and then once inside the city. the battle itself to retake it could take two months and
perhaps more. anywhere between 3,000 and 5,000 isis fighters said to be inside mosul. christine. >> michael holmes here for us. thank you for that. breaking overnight, caught on video, police van rammed into protesters leaving several injured. this happened at an anti-u.s. rally at the american embassy in manila. you can see the footage showing demonstrators hitting vans with batons. those are ban tons taken from police. at least 1,000 protesters gathered to demand an end to u.s. troops. and support the call of president duterte for foreign policy not dependent on the yoous. dow futures slightly lower right now. investors awaiting earnings from morgan stanley, american express, ebay and others. oil is rising. goldman sachs crushed estimates on higher gold.
the consumer price intext ticked up last month. prices are 1.5% higher than this time last year. a problem for the federal reserve not because it's rising quickly but because it's rising too slowly. food and energy prizes rose 2.2% from this time last year. silver lining, paychecks are growing faster than your grocery bills except if you're on social security. the government says the typical retiree's monthly check will grow by $3.90 next year. the average retiree's monthly benefit is a little more than $1,300. this piece of historic trump real estate could be yours. his childhood home goes up for auction tonight. the tudor-style house in queens. 2500 square feet. five bedrooms, 4 1/2 bathrooms. the suggested bid is $849,000. it would be a relative bargain for a house in this location.
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hollywood. they were talking first about a married women trump had tried to seduce but he didn't use that word. and then talking about the co-star they were going to make. much of is the graphic and obscene. the very fact the such a videotape of the presidential candidate needs such a warrant speaks for itself. >> i moved on her actually. she was down in palm beach. i moved on her. and i failed. i'll admit it. i did try and [ bleep ]. she was married. her name was nancy. i moved on her heavily. in fact i took her out furniture shopping. i told her i'll show you where you can get some nice furniture. i moved on her like a bitch. but i couldn't get there. and she was married. and all of a sudden i see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. she's totally changed her looks.
>> your girl is hot at [ bleep ]. in the purple. >> whoa. >> yes. the donald has scored. whoa, my man. >> wait you got to look -- >> okay. you are a -- maybe it is a different one. >> no that's her. >> you got to get this -- >> -- [indiscernible]. >> you and i will walk out. >> oh my gosh. >> maybe it is a different one. >> no it's her. >> yeah that's her. with the gold. i got to use some tic tacs just in case i start kissing her. you know i'm automatically attracted to beautiful people. it is like a magnet. i start kissing her. when they are a star you can do anything. they let do you do it. grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. >> all i can see is the legs. >> oh looks good. >> come on shorty. >> ooh nice legs. >> get out of the way, honey. ooh, that's good legs. >> just got to make sure you don't fall out of the bus. like ford, gerald ford, remember?
>> hello. how are you, hi. >> mr. trump, how are you. good good. >> terrific. good to see you. billy bush. >> hello. are you ready to be a soap star? >> we're ready. let's go. make me a soap star. >> have a little hug for the donald. he just got off the bus - >> have a little hug for the bushy, i just got off the bus. >> as soon as a beautiful woman shows up -- always has. >> come here. >> yeah. let the little guy in. >> hard to walk like this. >> yeah you get in the middle. >> that's better. that's better. >> now if you had to choose honestly between one of us. me or the donald. >> i don't know. that's tough competition. >> seriously. you had to take one of us as a date. >> i'd have to take the fifth on that one. >> really? >> i'll take both. >> which way?
>> make a right. here we go. >> here we go. i'm going to leave you here. -- my microphone. >> you're finish sfd. >> i'm going to go to a show. >> so nearly immediately after this tape was released by the post the trump campaign put out a statement which used the word "apologize," though you can judge for yourself whether it was an apology or not. id reads there is locker room banter that took place many years ago. bill clinton has said worse to me on the golf course. not even close. i apologize if someone was offended. for hillary clinton's part she put out a tweet. this is horrific. we cannot allow this man to become president. let's get more reaction to all this which could impact sunday's debate which anderson is moderating. and mike pence was asked about it while on the trail in ohio.
as you heard, no answer from governor mike pence there. however rnc chair reince priebus just weighed in. he said no woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner, ever. joining us cnn's mj lee and dana bash who just received some new information on how the trump campaign is reacting, literally at this moment. and gloria borger. dana, what's going on inside trump tower right now. >> as you can imagine deaf con five would probably ban understatement. we only at this point have the statement which is a couple of sentence, which was referring to bill clinton and things that he allegedly said to donald trump on the golf course which he said are worse and so forth. we haven't heard from donald trump himself beyond that. and they are huddling right now
the primaries. but he's got to grow. he's got to add people. he's got to add suburban women. married women. women -- just women. independents. into his voting block. and he's not going to do that with this kind of language. so i think just in terms of the political conversation and the -- it is just kind of stunning to watch this unfold. >> dana? >> john, i just want to add sort of one way to answer that question "why is this different now?" with the statement that the highest ranking republican member of congress kathleen rogers just put out which is the most telling so far because it is not just about donald trump the words. it is what he suggested do to
no those words. -- or violence against women. if that is the context in which donald trump is caught on tape saying that that is being interpreted, it is a thousand miles further away than him calling somebody a pig or too fat or anything he said about rosie o'donnell. this is in a whole different league. >> he can touch people how he wants, he can grab people ow he wants because he's a star. we got to take a break but before i want to read a tweet from mitt romney who was the last republican nominee. >> hitting on married women, condoning assault. such vile things degrade our wives and daughters and the world. just ahead. the reporter who broke this story. and also the latest on hurricane matthew. that's ahead on 360. when i was a little kid, i made a deal with myself
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bragging to billy bush that as a star he could grab women by their genitals and get away with it because he's a star. he also bragged about trying to sex with a married women. the tape surfaced just 48 hours ahead of the presidential debate in st. louis. a the described reaction when it broke, gasps. we're trying to get our heads around it and there is no way to spin this. this isn't. we spoke to the man who broke the story a while ago. david i know you are not going to disclose your source on this but whoever gave it to you or alerted you to it obviously had something bug on their hands. >> i really can't say anything about how we got ahold of this. >> when you heard it what was your reaction? >> it was shocking. this is the voice of donald trump you have heard now for a
couple of years solid and a voice you have gotten used to hearing in a political context and here he is discussing this in a pretty lewd and outrageous manner. i was pretty surprised. >> he calls this locker room bantder. the thing is he's 56 years old. and it is not just crass language. it is predatory. when you are a star you can do it. you can do anything. you can grab them by the -- and then he goes on. >> and right. it is not just hey look at that woman, isn't she hot? it goes beyond that. what he does. not describing what he'd like to do but what he has done apparently to women. how he's a star he can kiss them if he wants to. he can grope them. that just makes this more interesting and shocking. it is not just like look at that women. she's a ten. he's saying this is what i have done to women in the past and will do again. >> and you can judge the magnitude of this by the fact that the trump campaign
responded very quickly with a statement that included the word "apologi "apologize." which he's apologizing if anyone was offended. which is a non apology, apology. >> obviously leaves room for the view that people will listen to this or see this and not be offended by. ive. but certainly is a full step from just apologizing for something you wish you hadn't done. >> apologizing is different from i'm sorry i ever said it. i shouldn't have said it at all. that said he uses the word apology which i'm not sure he has used at all this campaign season. so that is a big deal in and of itself from the trump campaign. >> it is unusual. right though that he's apologizing sort of in a way as i apologize if you take offense. not that i looked at myself and took account of my own moral conduct and decided it was wrong of me to have done this. >> and in that statement he of
course takes on bill clinton. he says bill clinton has said worse things to me on the golf course. i guess it is not surprising he goes after bill clinton on this because that is what he tends do whenever the subject of woman comes up. but again he's not running against bill clinton is he. >> and bill clinton wasn't on the bus with him that day. this was donald trump and billy bush. donald trump leading the conversation. so whatever he may have heard from bill clinton, unless he's claiming he didn't know these words until bill clinton taught him, i think it is a little irrelevant to what trump said that day in the video. >> there was not a clinton on the bush. there was a bush on the bus. billy bush who now works for nbc news, i'm sure we'll get a response from him also at some point. what kind of legs do you think this has going forward? it is friday night before the second debate. what questions remain unanswered here? >> i think this will continue to
be something people talk about. the difference here is this is audio and video. you are hearing trump in his own words saying these things. it is different hearing it secondhand. i've been wrong about everything else about the election but it may come up in the debate and something trump is asked about later on. and maybe something mike pence, a strong independent christian will be asked about. and trump's evangelical supporters will be asked about. and a kind of thing that goes to trump's moral character and that could last the next week, maybe longer. >> people who appear with trump, who have endorsed trump. people like paul ryan certainly could and will be asked about this going forward. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> late tonight billy bush did in fact put out a statement. it reads obviously i'm embarrassed and ashamed. it's no excuse but this happened eleven years ago. i was youngerish less mature and acted foolishly in playing
along. i'm very sorry. it is sounds like the kind of thing a lot of college students might be hearing about or warned about on orientations on sexual assault on campuses. lot to discuss here. joining me now. also with us. cnn chief political analyst gloria borjer and cnn political commentators and the political supporters. kayleigh, said no woman should be talked about in this manner ever. >> exactly right. it was hard to hear those words today's. it is inexcusable. i think the statement was not enough. i think donald trump needs to humble himself and come out to the american people and say i'm not the person i was 11 years ago. i'm a different person. i'm not that person. and i think that he needs to
apologize to the american people. because if we know anything about the american people they are forgiving people. they forgave bill clinton for his transgressions in the oval office. and i think they forgive when you humble yourself. and i think that is what he needs to do. apologize. bottom line. inexcusable. >> not just if people were offended but apologize period. >> yes. apologize to the american people directly, all of them. >> amanda carpenter, when you heard this, you had a somewhat visceral reaction. >> yeah. this is bigger than trump. this is about the republican party. and if there is any elected republican official who doesn't know what to say, they should call up a rape survivor tonight and ask them what they heard when they heard donald trump say these words? this isn't as reince priebus said talking about something that trump describes women this way. trump is saying this is something that he did. this isn't harassment.
it is not locker room talk. he is talking about sexual assault. there is no other way to frame this. and listen, i have a 4 and a half-year-old daughter. last night we had the news on and she pointed at the tv and she said is that man a trump. in a couple of years she's going to watch shows like this and know what's going on. and right now this election is going to be about how the republican party treats women. and right now seeing the statements come out from other republicans trying to dismiss this or go past it? i don't know what that answer is. i want to be in this party. but if they will not respect women and recognize that donald trump is boasting about sexual assault, we women cannot stand by this. >> scotty. >> well these were comments that were made 11 years ago. and let me agree with kayleigh and amanda. these were horrible comment. no place whether you are a republican or democrat, there is no place for them in america
today. and i think we need to hold people that are in pop culture and hollywood who are in our rap music and in our reading we need to hold them accountable just as much for donald trump. but this reconfirms he was not running for office back then. he was a part of a different world than he is now. and he always said i would only run for president if there were no one else to solve the problems we have today. and officially he feels like he's the one who can do it and 14 million people in the primary agree with him. and now i think it is wonderful the timing of this video mahas come out. the same day wikileaks comes out. and --. because for political reasons. she says she and her husband she can't really relate to middle class people right. now due to the fact she's not one of them anymore because of all the money her and her husband made. so the timing of this video --
>> hang on. it is eleven years ago. yes. but it is not like donald trump was in junior high. he was 59 years old when he said it. so he was a fully formed individual. and gloria borger, again, let's talk about amanda's point right there. the pressure this puts on the republican party now to deal with this. paul ryan is supposed to be on a stage with him tomorrow in wisconsin. what's gonna happen? >> right. this goes beyond crude talk, to predatory behavior. and i think it is a tipping point right now for the republican party. and i think, you know, my e-mail has kind of been blowing up from republicans who are saying to me. i mean, bush's former campaign manager said to me he's a pig, i'm voting for hillary clinton. this is a republican. i think that democrats are going to force republicans to say whether they still support donald trump for president. i think you are going to start hearing calls from republicans
privately and then maybe publicly to say what is our plan b here? i think this has gone beyond, again, a matter of crude talk and crude behavior to insults to women to something that's quite frankly predatory. and i think the party has to grapple with this. you have the chairman saying this is inexcusable and then there is a second thing, okay. then what? now what, reince priebus? and i think people are asking themselves that question tonight and i think these are very sad conversations. i feel for the young people who are working in the donald trump campaign who spoke to mj lee about how they feel about pouring their heart and soul into a campaign, and now this tape comes out. >> so anna navarro. we're going to take a quick break. but when we come back i'm going to ask you this question. is there anything donald trump can say tonight to make this go away?
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just a small snippet of the tape. -- what donald trump needs to do is humble himself before the american people and apologize for the words he said. admit that they were beyond the line. would that satisfy you? >> no. look, i think what donald trump needs do is quit. i think he needs to stop being the republican nominee. he's dragging this entire process down the gutter. he's dragging the entire republican party down the gutter. you have to understand he cannot win. he is irredeemable. this is not something you are going to recover from. and the reason is because this is consistent behavior from donald trump. this is not a one-time occurrence. we've heard him throughout the campaign call rosie o'donnell a fat big, about miss universe. megyn kelly's menstrual cycle. and giving numbers for scores
for scoring their bodies. how many times does he get away with saying something image i misogynistic or sexist before we call him it. it is time to condemn the man. it is time to ask him to step down. it is time to tell america he does not represent republican values. he is a pig. he is vile. this is consistent behavior by him. the only difference is that now we have it on tape and now we have it on video. but this man is not fit to be president of the united states. he is not fit to be the republican nominee. he is not fit to be called a man. >> kailg mcenany, to that point is this an aberration, as scotty was saying, 11 years ago? or is this part of who donald trump is? because he's said things on the campaign trail this year about women that have raised a lot of eyebrows. he was tweeting about miss universe a week ago. >> where i disagree, is i don't think any human being is irredeemable. i think the comments is inexcusable. as a christian they don't lay right with me or sit right with me. but also a christian i know when you apologize for something, you are forgiven. and you can wipe away anything you have done in the past because you can be forgiven by the blood of jesus christ. that is what i believe as the christian. i don't think he's irredeemable. i think he's a different person now than he was then and i think if he humbles himself and explains to the american people that i've learned from people around me and i'm a man of honor and i've learned from that. a father, a grandfather. and everything about this is redeemable. >> what about mike pence? the trump campaign kicked the pool out. he didn't answer questions on a rope line. how does he respond to this going forward? >> he really has to examine his heart. i mean, to be sure god does forgive but there are just some things that are just disqualifying for someone who wants to be president of the united states. in that tape he's saying that he believes, and he did, he could do anything to women because he was a star. that means he felt he was entitled to assault women because he had power. he's running if are the most powerful office in america. what does that mean he thinks he would be entitled to do? there is really no bounds. once you say you can grab a woman like that, he can't stop himself from kissing someone? assaulting someone? i don't think there is any limit. so i hope mike pence examines his heart, his soul. and, you know, christians may be able to forgive donald trump for his actions and his words. but that does not mean he gets a pass to become president of the united states is this. >> scotty, how do you respond to
this? because you have heard kayleigh who was a trump support say this crossed the line. you have heard folks who are not supporters say this makes them question the very party you are a member of. you are a shrewd political observer and you have followed politics a lock time. trump is having a real problem with women voters. a real problem with independents. does this hurt him irreparably. >> tlurm a number of women supporting donald trump for one reason only. because he's not hillary clinton. her actions have been even worse and going forward the reason we're supporting mr. trump, why i personally is for my family. i want to be able to protect for my family and i want to be able to provide for my family. nothing do with these words from 11 years or any other things he's said in the past. i care he's going secure our border and preserve my constitution and second amendment rights. and other than that let's stay
for the tabloids and talk about the things that matter most for most mother, most women in this world is please, protect my family, provide for my family. something he's put a plan out and we know he will co-and hillary clinton doesn't put emphasis on that. >> here is the problem. before we even get to discuss agenda. before we even get to discuss policy there is a minimum requirement of morality, of moral compass, of decency, of human empathy, of behaving like an adult. of behaving not like a sexual predator. and if you are incapable of meeting that minimum requirement you can't even talk to me about policy because you are unfit to be on the ballot. and it is time not only donald trump think about what he's doing but republicans who have endorsed him, this is the time to disavow this man. paul ryan, our lonely highs look to you. you are my friend. i though you. you are a decent human being. you are a good husband, a good
father. you cannot stand by this man tomorrow. reince priebus, same goes for you. he will ruin the republicans that are on the ballot with him. we cannot afford this. if we're going to have a party that survives we must disown donald trump tonight. >> we're going take up that thought. we're also going to take up what's going on inside trump tower right now because i have to believe there are big decisions being made as we speak about when he will address this, how he will address it. seems to me he's got to get to this sometime before he takes that debate stage sunday night. a debate by the way that anderson will be moderating. just 48 hours away now from the second presidential debate. in st. louis. our coverage here all day long on sunday. anderson will be one of the moderators along with abc news martha raddatz. and more on hurricane matthew as it makes up the southeastern coast.
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going to stay. they are stuck there now. roads and bridges closed until emergency services say it is safe to reopen them. so that is just one example of what's happening up and down the southeast coast when it comes to storm surge. you know, thousands of people being affected by this. and a lot of damage been done. very historic city st. augustine. probably dmoen to a lot of people. >> that is the concern up and down the coast. st. augustine, michael thank you o much. a new advisor from the hurricane center just out. what's the latest. >> well as the category two storm but that means absolutely nothing. it's built up strength for so many days now that category, 3, 4 hurricane is going to see all the water under the eye slam northward and they could see even great storm surge than in st. augustine and jacksonville. we're going to see heavier amounts of rain than we've
already on the coastline. tornado watch is expected from yesterday because of the angle of approach. we dodged a major bullet today with that eye stay 20-25 miles off shore. yesterday talking with anderson we talked about every mile counts. the difference between catastrophic damage and then moderate to severe damage which, occurred. don't get me wrong. it's very bad but it could have been much worse. but now it is going to get worse. the large precipitation shield is all from the eye northward. the greatest effects in the colors of yellow on the northern prieriphery of the i eye will sm with full momentum. >> georgia south carolina and north carolina. head.e concerned about hilton a big concentration of pine trees. they blow over easily in 45, 50 miles per hour gusts. weak root systems. this model which has been spot on, continues to take it very
close. this is a saturday/sunday event. so far good news, it was low tide at jacksonville at 7:30. it is going to be low tide tomorrow morning in charleston, where it approaches at its closest event. again now category 2 but the angle of approach, john, mooens everything. let's hope it moves out and away. yesterday we were talking about the big curve it is going to take. i wouldn't worry about that so much. it is undergoing shear right now and we're hoping it breaks down further. so not much event coming back around. we're already seeing the surge five, six peat above average in some areas. >> big areas of concern in georgia, particularly south carolina. thank you so much. just ahead, back to other breaking news. donald trump caught on tape talking crudely about women. a highlight reel in a moment plus the latest on hurricane
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the crisis, a tape surfacing of hill doing what he has a history of doing. here's randi kaye. >> reporter: donald trump says he loves beautiful women. he also loves to talk about women. and it often lands him in hot water. like during his long-running feud with rosie o'donnell. >> she came to my wedding. she ate like a pig. >> after his dustup with megyn kelly during the fox news debate, trump said this about her on cnn. >> she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. and you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her, wherever. >> critics charged he was referring to menstruation. trump insisted it was a big misunderstanding. >> i was going to say nose and/or ears. because that's a very common statement. blood pouring out of somebody's nose. it's a statement showing anger. >> kelly wasn't the first female journalist trump sparred with. decades ago after "new york times" columnist gail collins wrote about rumors of trump's bankruptcy, he sent her a copy
of the article he'd written and circled her photo, writing across it, quote, the face of a dog. much of what trump has said about women was during his many appearances on howard stern's radio show. in 2005, he made this remark, talking about a woman in a beauty pageant. >> first of all, she's unbelievably short. and i'm a little bit surprised. i think that the boob job is terrible. you know, they look like two life posts coming out of a body. >> after he bought a pageant, stern asked trump how he might change it. >> they said, how are you going to change the pageant? and i said, i'm going to get the bathing suits to be smaller and the heels to be higher. >> a woman's breasts were always a hot topic for him. >> i view a person who's flat chested is very hard to be a 10. it has to be extraordinary. you have to have the face of vivienne leigh to be a 10. but she went from an 8 to solid 4. >> reporter: in another appearance on the show. >> some incredible, beautiful women, they'll walk up and flip their top.
wow, and they'll flip their panties. i've been with women with extraordinarily bad breast jobs. isn't it unbelievable? one women, beautiful, had big, beautiful, real boobs, really beautiful. and she wants them reduced. years later on t"the howard sten sho show", trump boldly mocked kim kardashian's any seek. >> does she have a good body, no. does she have a fat [ bleep ], absolutely. >> and just last week, trump has to defend comments he'd made about former miss universe, alicia machado, calling her miss piggy and an eating machine. he doubled down on those comments on fox news. >> she was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight. and it was a real problem. we had a real problem. >> a candidate struggling to win the support of women come election day, in his own words. randi kaye, cnn, new york.
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including the staff the the congressional black caucus, and staff throughout various committees. we've used this work period as an opportunity to invite staffers from both sides of the aisle to come to the white house and discuss shared priorities and find common ground on the way forward. and we're not just reaching out to capitol hill. we have actively engaged with key leaders and policy makers around the country. it's critical to gather information from states and from people throughout the country rather than just leaders in washington. so to discuss specific action he can take. they leaders, many of whom represent some of the country's largest manufacturers, cabinet members and key aides of the president's staff. the working group will engage in a deep-dive conversation on the attendees specific areas of expertise. topics of discussion include deregulation, tax and trade, and infrastructu
infrastructure. after the gripes conclude their discussion, the president's it is staff will compile the feedback and for a listening session on some of their recommendations. as you can tell by the structure of the meeting, the president is expecting these real -- creating a dynamic and booming economy that works for all americans. this tibets to be at the top of his domestic policy agenda. as a successful businessman, the president knows if we're going to get the country back to work, we need to hear directly from sxwrob creators, what is holding them back and where appropriate take tips to remove the behalfiers. the in a key economic -- and economy economic indicators are showing it's working. ceo and confidence are up, and jan wear numbers were strong. the meetings on thursday will continue to build on that momentum. with that, i'm glad to take some questions. steve holland?
>> steve is not here. jeff mason against it then. >> can you give us an update on the administration's plans with regard to transgender bathrooms again in schools? and can you confirm there has been disgreat between secretary devos and the attorney general? >> why expect further guidance to come out on that today. the president, as i said yesterday, is a firm believer in states' rights. when you look at the guidance issued under the obama -- to the best of my knowledge that was he stalled, and several legal reasons and several procedure renals, both who jointly issued that guidance are now working together again under a trump administration. they have been reviewing the guide krantz that was signed and i think there's several he areas
president had very specific goals to enact that he promised the american people, you want to make sure the person fulfilling that job is actually committed to the agenda and vision the president set forth and promised the american people. so there is -- that's something we're always going to be making smur is in alignment. >> is the approval process in some what slowing down the appointment of crucial staff. >> not at all. when you like across where we are we're doing very very well with getting all of these positions filled. i think once in a while you might hear one or two people, but overall generally speaking, i mentioned how much of the beachhead teams we had and those members appointed had 120 days they were there to a i lieu it to make sure a -- and that's what's happening, but make no mistakes.
we were ahead of the curve on the beachhead teams, very clear with the landing teams, it's been a methodical process than seen from top to bottom through, and i think we're doing a phenomenal job. >> marta? >> which marta? >> oh, luck where me. >> reporter: i have a -- [ laughter ] >> reporter: the president in the roosevelt room just said, among other things that the tax plan is nearly finalized but can't be submitted until the health car plan statutorily -- what i wanted to clarify, is the white house doing a health care proposal? or was he talking about congress and the white house? >> obviously there's two vehicles, requisition -- the bloom better answer, the fy17
reconciliation was never completed, because the budget wasn't finalized in the last congress. i think we want to look at the opportunities and make sure -- and then you could utilize the 2018 reconciliation to do tax reform. again, that's not prescriptive, but as far as why the president is saying it that way is because we've got that option available to us right now. i think the president is committed to making sure that the promise that he made to the american people to repeal and replace obamacare continues to be first and foremost, and then his tax plan, but it's not a we can walk and chew gum kind of thing. we can continue to work with the leadership in both houses. >> reporter: just the bloom birk -- the time line, there is things that will happen then, there will be a budget plan that you guys are going to present on march 13th-ish? >>ish. >> this is where i got lost.
something from him and something from them and then a plan afterwards? >> look, when we're really to announce -- i think you have obamacare, the budget, tax reform, a very busy march and april for us, and we continue to work with congress to make sure that it's implemented. noah beerman. >> he had a complete shutdown of muslims during the campaign. there were a lot of people who thought that was a very good proposal. can you explain his elf lice of backing down from that? and can you say whether he regrets using that rhetoric, since it ended up hurting the court case? >> again i go back to the merits of the case, and the order that gave him the authority to make that. u.s. code 1182 is very clear. the president was very clear in his executive order that these were countries that we didn't have the proper vetting for when
it came to ensuring the safety of americans. that's what the executive order said. the authority is re clear, and i think you'll continue to see the president take the steps necessary to protect this country. that's why he's talking about fighting this on both fronts, making sure we keep evolving through the court system, and then looking forwards the next draft of the executive order that will continue to achieve the goal of protecting the american people. that's where we are, that's what the order says, and so i think we continue to feel confident that that's -- but it was crafted in a way that was very clear about the countries and was not focused on anything else but the vetting requirement we have to make sure that we know who is coming into this country and we're here not to do us any harm. >> talking about fulfilling his promising, can you explain why he decided to back down from that? >> i think he's made it clear, noah, from the beginning that
this was a country-focused issue, and i don't see anything other than that with reference to that. debra saunders? >> reporter: is the oscars are for sunday night. will the president be watching? if there's a meryl streep kind of moment, how do you think he'll react? and why -- this has happened in other award ceremonies. why do you think this happening? >> why do i think what happens? >> actors. >> i have no idea. it's a free country. i think hollywood is known for rather being farther to the left, and i have to be honest, i think the president will be hosting the governors' ball, mrs. trump looks forward to putting together a phenomenal event that will welcome our nation's governors to the capitol. i think that's where they'll be focused sunday night. so we'll go from there. >> reporter: the president has a
big audience next tuesday in the joint and. does he have a sell of goals in mind? do you think we'll see specific policy roll-outs as part of that speech? >> i think -- i mentioned this yesterday. i think it's going to talk -- remind the american people what he's done already, and make sure that he explains to them -- not just because of a sense of accomplishment in moving the country forward, but because i think it's important for the american people to know he was an agent of change. he came here to get things done, and he didn't waste any time. he 'committed to keeping hi word, and then i think he'll lay out his vision. the problems that we face as a country, the violence in some of our inner cities, but also some of the solutions that we can act on and some of the partnerships we can create, it's obviously still a work in progress, but i think it will look forward to where he wants to take this
country and talk about working with congress and other leaders throughout the country to get things done, but i think in the drafts i have seen so far, it is going to be a very strong blueprint of where he wants to take this country. in the past i think a lot of presidents -- or some, rather have gotten into detail spocks. i think you'll see him try to talk about politics, and what defining success is, what that goal means, but it's still a work in progress republican optimistic? >> yeah, i think this is an opportunity for him to lay out a very positive vision for the nation and really let america know where we can go and how we can get there, and the potential we have as a nation. anita? >> reporter: will he -- i know past presidents, including president obama, immediately hit the road but something like the
state of the union address. to sell policies, since it's more of a vision -- >> i think there will be some travel. that's evolving right now. there's a lot of things that we're trying to look at, and i think as we look at the speech and some of the objectives and goals and vision that he's sharing, talk to him about potential places to go to highlight that, but i think you're going to see a fair amount of visits in the next few weeks to highlight some of the places that he wants to take it. >> reporter: i've seen members of congress last we're, there's the legislative meeting today. it feels as if we haven't seen as many executive actions -- or executive orders. i know we have the one vetting coming out this week. are we in a different phase that he's sort of done the executive orders he wants to do? >> no, we have several in the pipeline, and part of it is just -- you know, these days are
focused with these meetings and getting things done, and trying to plan ahead. so as we see fit, and as the implementation process of a lot of these goes through the process, we'll have future -- plenty more. fimplgts legislative emphasis now? >> it's both. part of this is we work through congress, aknit :we're talking about fundamental tax reform, something that happened since 1986. the repeat and replacement of obamacare, which is mammoth. i think part of it is those things take time. he has a joint address on tuesday. there's a lot of things that are happening, and therefore we need to kind of make sure that we appropriately use the schedule. but i can assure you if you've missed executive orders, you will see a bunch. i know, i want to do make sure you knew. jonathan karl. at the present time referred to
so-called sangry crowds? is he suggesting this is manufactured anger and this is not real anger and real -- >> thanks. i think there's a hybrid there. i think some people are clearly upset, but there is a bit of professional protester manufactured base in there. but obviously there are people that are upset, but i also think that when you look at some of these districts and some of these things, it is -- it is not a representation of a members district or an incident. it is a loud group, small group of people disrupting something, in many cases for media attention, no offense. just because they're loud doesn't necessarily mean there are many. i think in a lot of cases that's what you're seeing. >> reporter: not saying there's real anger -- >> i just said that. >> reporter: there's real concern -- >> i think that's a false narrative. i don't -- the president has been very clear, look, you have
to look at what our health care system is right now. in so many counties around our nation we've gone down to one provider. that's not choice, that's not access and in a lot of cases we're not taking medicare, the doctor you used to have haven't participating anymore and by the way, states like arizona, you have over 100% increase in premiums. many statesi double-digit. and i think that the idea that we have to remember is that the american people got sold the affordable care act. it's neither affordable or accessible. they're losing their coverage and premiums are spiking. if people this should be appl d applauding the president's action for wanting to ensure we have a system in place that does what they were promised a while back. that's what i think is missing from this dialogue. i've seen some folks protesting, saying i'm on obama care and i'm
going to lose my thing, and when they asked how old they were, they're not on obamacare, they're on medicaid. they're not making it up, but some are on employer-based insurance, or medicaid or medicare because of their age. so they have no problems. but i think in other cases people are being told the plan they're on is unsustainable, that these carriers throughout the country. look at them over and over again pulling out of the exchanges. the reality is they are losing their health care, but they're losing it under obamacare because the exchanges are collapsing on themselves, carriers are pulling out, so the president's plan is actually going to do exactly what they were promised eight years ago and didn't get. so for those who are worried, the answer is help is on the
way. >> reporter: what goes tis the ? >> first, the president made cheer we'll have it out in a couple weeks. the goal is they god it jammed through the democrat-controlled, so taking the time, getting this right to achieve the goss is probably the right thing to do considering the experience we had the last time. hall hallie? >> reporter: at one point the caitlyn jenner could use whatever bathroom he wanted so why system a priority? >> i don't think it's a priority. it's not a priority. there is a case pending in the supreme court in which we have to decide whether or not to continue to issue guidance to the court. it's not -- it's dictated by that. the obama administration a issued joint guidance. we now have to decide whether or not this administration wants to continue that track that they were on. it's plain and simple.
if we don't, but there are problems in the legal and process way in which that guidance was issued. so it's incumbent upon us to actually follow the law and recognize that title ix never talked about this. this was an act in 1972. there was no discussion of this back then. to assume certain elements were thought about back then would be completely preposterous. >> you think secretary devos is on board with this? >> yes, is 00%. >> the second question is on mexico. the secretary of state along with secretary kelly. obviously there have been tensions between did this is this a cleanup job? >> no, i think the presidents and foreign ministers had several contacts with our staff. i would argue that we have a very healthy and robust relationship with the mexican government and officials. i think, president nieto has
echoed that. i think there's an unbelievable and robust dialogue. >> thank you. >> reporter: on syria, the general indicated the u.s. needs to take a larger share of the burden and send troops to syria. has the president discussed this with his national security team? >> i'm going to refer you backs to dod. i would argue you've seen the president talk about safe harbors in syria with several foreign -- safe havens, thank you, that's an area at the top of the president's foreign policy agenda that he's continued to talk to leaders especially in the middle east, about trying to make sure we deal with that issue in that area right now. but i'm not going to get ahead of the dod on this? look, i will -- if i have an
update, i will give it to you tomorrow. >> president trump indicating the prime minister wants the u.s. an canada council for advancement of women entrepreneurs, have you talked a bit about how it's growing? >> staff is implementing the president's agenda. it occurred six, seven days ago. we'll have further updates, but i know that he continues to be in touch with the prime minister trudeau and our staff continues to do -- to work on the back end to make this happen. >> a few questions for you. does the white house not have confidence in its cabinet secretaries if it's looking over their shoulders? does the white house -- does the president not trust his cabinet secretary? the staff to find people who agree with the president's agenda? >> not at all. the president named these folks, because they're an unbelievably
qualified individuals. part of is you're attaching major deposition, somewhere in the area of 5,000 positions to fill. i don't even this i the secretaries, to some degree, depending on the department have a full background. as they get pumped through the pipeline. again there are areas that are of key priority to the president that he campaigned on. i think when he wants to make sure that certain of those individuals who are going to be overseeing key priorities, that he promised the american people have somebody who is not only qualified, but agrees with and shares the president's vision to fix whatever problem that was or fulfill whatever vision he articulated, but it would almost be malpractice not to do that, to allow people to fill a job, a political appointee job, who don't share the vision and agenda of the united states,
would -- it would be silly on its face to suggest this. i don't think there's any administration in past history that would literally willingly take on somebody who is adamantly opposed or spoke on you spefl again what the president was seeking to do -- it doesn't seem as though it makes any sense. >> on the -- we're coming up a week away from the review of the counter-isis strategy. what's the status of that review? a bunch of generals? >> yes. is that regarding that review? >> i think general dumbford and secretary mattis have begun providing him updates on that. i know that the new national security adviser is getting brought into that process and continuing to do updates. we'll have further updates, but the team has been working on it. >> as far as the second executive order is concerned, what is the white house doing differently? in terms of consulting with the
various departments to make certain that the exec executive order passed the constitutional scrutiny? >> i think we have done a few things. one, we have been very clear about understanding what the court said in trying to tailor that specifically, while achieving the same goals of keeping america safe and ensuring that people don't come into the country that seek to do us harm. and number two, to -- that order is basically completed. what we are now doing is working with the various agencies and departments to make sure the implementation of that is done in an extremely smooth way. we have looked at it from both a process standpoint, as well as a legal standpoint, and i think it's achieving the goals, but again i would also mention that on the merits, we can see -- i believe in the first order did just that. it was written in a way, and i think ultimately we'll continue to prevail on that, because it
is written in a way that is clear and consistent with u.s. code and the authority the president has to protect the nation. katy. >> reporter: as it relates to the executive order, it's almost likely to face a legal challenge. >> sure. >> reporter: are you concerned the president's prior remarks as it relates to the judiciary is going to allow him to have a fair hearing by the judicial branch as it relates to the second amendment? >> yeah, absolutely. i think -- because i think that you've seen it happen in the massachusetts case. at the end of the day, you look at the law and what the order does, and i think, again, you may have -- in the case of the ninth circuit, we continue to disagree with that. i think the president has pointed out, you don't have to be that high up in grade school to recognize what the code says, what the authority that is granted to imhad, and then what the order does. i think the -- one of the cases they suggested there have been
no people that entered within the seven countries, and with a quick curse so i look there were 20 people that had come in. so the basis on which they decided the case doesn't actually pass muster. i think any judge or judges that look at that order or the one that will be put forward will come to the same conclusion. >> katie? >> reporter: i wanted to ask about the budget priorities? where does he see increase or decrease of spending? and how much money is he asking for -- >> i'm going to refer you back to marta's question. we'll have something in mid-march. look, he just had a meeting where he's continuing to work out, they're providing him back and forth. that's the idea of crafting the budget. until we put it out on paper, i don't want to get ahead -- >> sean, thank you very much. back to mexico, officials have
said this morning that they're not going to accept -- by the white house and by dhs yesterday and they may not taken that's not a mexican immigrant. >> i think secretary tillerson and secretary kelly will have a great discussion down there and walk through the implementation of the executive order, but i feel very confident that any country who has a citizen that comes into the country and we send back, we'll make sure they comply with this. >> two questions about immigration at the same time. one, the president has talked a number of times about millions of illegal immigrants casting votes for the election in his mind, promised to looked into that, but there was no mention of that in any of the these directives for these immigrants. does the president still believe -- >> he's mentioned that vice president pence will lead the task force, and the vice president is starting to gather names and individuals to be part of it. >> the other question i have about the daca program yesterday he suggested, well, we have to
go after hardened criminals, major national security threats first, but during the campaign, the president talked about daca as being unconstitutional and executive amnesty. does he still think it's unconstitutional use of president obama's powers? >> yes, i think the president is very clear about his priorities. yesterday was focused on going after people who are a public safety concern, and we're going to walk through this. we will get back to you on that. right now the focus on keeping the he country safe. >> wile given all of the personal on deporting of legal immigrants, i wanted to see if this white house and president trump have any interesting in curtailing legal immigration going forward. >> we have to look at this. there's millions of people in the country illegally. i think the focus continues to be the 800,000 or 900,000 that
already have an torrid to be removed and keep the process smooth. legal immigration is a completely separate subject. the president has talked about that, talked about it with bid leaders h 1 b vhave i visa, but there's a prioritization and we'll have more on it later. i've got to run. thank you very much. see you tomorrow. take care. so there you have it, sean spicer, the white house press secretary wrapping up his briefing, answering reporters' questions for a little more than half an hour. lots of questions were asked, veries important questions. the press secretary didn't completely answer a lot of those questions. we'll assess exactly what we learned, what we didn't learn. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. once again we want to welcome our virus in the united states and around the world to help sort all of these important
issues out. there's a lot going on today. let's bring in our chief national security correspondent jim scuitto, laura coates, david greg dorsey, talia polpan. jim, let mea start with you. the new travel ban that's about to be announced, there are several important questions about rhetoric, statements the president as a candidate had made that potentially could complicate implementing round 2 of this travel ban. >> clearly the white house strategy is to make it just about vetting from country that is have vetting problems, not making it about muslims -- these are donald trump's words when he announced this during the campaign december 2015. first was statement on preventing muslim immigration, pretty broad there. donald trump is calling for a
total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. that's what he sid during the campaign. that's on the record. even since the election, he's started to focus more on terror, keeping the country safe. you heard sean spicer says this is just about country that is didn't have proper vetting. so the question is, do the courts accept that quite remarkable pivot from the initial public statements, and we know in the ninth circuit case, they mentioned donald trump and the surrogate statements on the campaign trail d it meet the legal standard? that's for the courts to decide. i will note there has been a continues contradiction among donald trump's advisers here, because stephen miller, he was quoted on the air just a short time ago speaking to martha mccollum, if the change are minor and technical, but sean spicer is saying it's a whole different thing, listen it's going to be for the courts to
decide what it is on paper. >> laura, you're a legal analyst. we did learn that the new travel ban has been completed. they're now going through how best to implement it to make sure that the requirements are fully met, but this issue of a muslim ban, that rhetoric that the president as candidate delivered did you the campaign, how much of a problem is this for getting round 2 approved? >> if due process is your minor technical point, you have a big uphill battle. remember, the court made very clear, they gave a blueprint in the ninth circuit that essentially said, listen we don't believe in the smoke and mirrors, if this is simply a pretext for discrimination, it violates the first amendment of the constitution, which is not what you can turn off and on if you're the president of the united states based on unfounded or perhaps just a bold assertion
of national security. they're going to have do combat two things, take away the minority religious preference, and also figure out a way to provide some clarity for the court that says there is a reason why the existence vetting measures that we currently have in place are insufficient with respect to these seven countries. if it's because of your campaign rhetoric that will not pass constitutional muster. sara murdray is in the pressroo, the reports came out that the president is micromanaging all the various departments and agencies, vetting individuals that a secretary may want for a senior position, to make sure that those individuals didn't say or do anything contrary to the president's policies, didn't say anything negative about the candidates who have running. >> reporter: that's right, wolf, we do know this is a president that's been preoccupied for a long time about the notion of
loyalty and he takes any criticism very personally. we've seen that playing out as these cabinet secretaries are trying to staff their various agencies, that there has been concern coming from the white house about potentially people filling these political appointee slots who have been critical of the president in the past. white house press secretary sean spicer downplayed this today, basically say if you're looking at political appointees, you want people who are supportive of the president and supportive of his priorities as you know there were a number of republicans that might be well qualified for these jobs who weren't necessarily supportive of donald trump early on in the campaign, especially when we are looking at roughly a dozen candidates. one of the concerns we've been hearing are worries that you will not broadband fill all of these slots of people who are proper loy -- have the proper level of experience if you're only looking at people who are support i was of donald trump from day one.
the white house as you said is dismissive of this concern, who basically said anyone who will fill a political appointee should be on board 100%. >> that's an important point indeed. >> david gress guardino, on the issues of the town hall of republicans that they are now facing, some of them becoming rather loud, a lot of protests going on, citizens complaining, we did hear from sean spicer in response to a question, there seems to be in his word, a hybrid. some people are legitimately upset, they have every right to do so, but some of this is manufactured and there's a lot more noise than there are -- there seems to been a lot more noise than there seems to be specification issues. in other words it's directed from the outside. >> i think that's largely true. i don't think the manufactured part is true, but the fact you have some districts with loud resistance, organized resistance, resistance similar
to the tea party, which is that it's coming organically, this time from progressive circles, in some cases being brought in from outside the district, to make a lot of noise, and to be disrupti disruptive. that's what the tea party was in large measure, and it's taking on big questions, are the republicans going to resist where progressives and middle of the roaders think they should. >> we're getting from the press briefs a lot of policy discussions now that's unsettled policy discussion. this whole debate about obamacare is not going to go well, because it's going to be messy and hard, just as it was when president obama pursued it, it's going to be contentious. that's what i think the town has are legitimately reflecting. >> you know, tal, he had a photo op with his secretary of treasury, budget director, basically insisting the whole
budget is a mess. he used that word, but he did saysh and we did shear from sean spicer that make by early to mid march, new proposals for health care would be released and new specification budget decisions would be released as well, but the president referred to the whole process right now that he has inherited as a mess. >> it might look like a mess. folks on capitol hill are sort of waiting with bated breath to see what they get if we have this march dead lining, but there's a lot of things in the budget that's contrary to republican ideological ways. for example he wants a massive border security plan, we're going to build a wall, we're going to hire 15,000 people minimus, plus detention centers. there's very big-ticket items. we're not even talking yet about an infrastructure time, yet at
the same time mick mulvaney is one of the biggest budget hawks that comes out congress. and there's a lot of questions how those two different ideas will work out. s. >> and who's going to pay for a lot of it. >> if you take the larger view, the only thing particularly well done is judge gorsuch. that was a hornet's nest because of how they handled judge garland, and all that's correct but all the traps were hit before he got going. the president could have been in a position to roll out some things on tax reform. he could have gotten that ball rolling a lot more seamlessly, hasn't done it yet, hasn't been organized. this focus on immigration has been incredibly questionive, but also not organized. >> jim, the secretary of homeland security, secretary kelly, the secretary of states
rex tillerson, they'll be meeting with the mexican leadership. they should be arriving in mexico city shortly. there's been various descriptions of what their mission is right now. clearly there are some serious strains because of the president's repeated assertion that the u.s. is going to build this border wall and mexico will pay for it. >> apparently kelly and tillerson will propose that mexicans detain -- of course a burden for mexico in lights of the accusatory language, to say the least used by the president. you had sean spicer there in his words say we have a healthy and rho robust relationship with mexico. i wonder certainly if some strains have leaked out about paying for the wall, so we'll see if tillerson and kelly -- kelly had a long time working with mexicans as chairman of southern command, so he's been
partners with them in the antidrug war, et cetera, do the personal relationship, tillerson's well-known diplomatic skills, does that get over an enormous hump by the president remains to be seen, and the ask they're going with is a pretty dramatic ask to make of someone you're not having the warmest relationship right now. >> another sensitive issue, laura, the issue of transgender bathrooms, the press secretary was asked a few times, what is the administration's stance on this? does it differ from the obama administration? >> he said further guidance would be released later today. it is a sensitive issue for the department of education. >> it is. what happened a couple years ago you had this issue of the fourth circuit of a student in virginia, gavin graham who is trying to use the bathroom of the sex he identified with. you had the president issuing guidance saying, listen, i'm going to assist the public schools around the country to
figure owl hoe we should sensitively treat people who are transgender, the civil rights division backed them up, and essentially the department of education said title ix guards against sex discrimination. we didn't talk about transgender identity being sex, but it's the same thing we're talking about protecting people. well, the supreme court will now hear the case march 28th, because the fourth circuit set we're going to rely on the president, president obama's guidance at that time. so if trump then reverses that guidance, even if it's for benign reasons, which he has suggested that it is, the court may send it right back to the lower courts and say because you relied on that guidance, it no longe arer exists this could be a very lengthy court procedure and an affront for civil rights that's happened for the lbgt population. >> you heard sean spicer saying the president is a strong
believer in states' rights, and that would be a sensitive issue as far as this supreme court decision is concerned. >> it will be. it's not just whether the federal government should have a role, or is this a states' rights constitution which would be a constant battle between federalism and different administrations. that's the theory, but when it comes down to it title 9:00 does guard against sex discrimination. gender identify is about sex discrimination. it's a civil rights issue. >> we we know about the uproar in north carolina as a result of the ex-governor there. everybody stand by. we're getting more reaction coming in. ted lu of california is with us. we're going to get his reaction of what we heard from the white house. some of those fiery town has. congressman, stay with us. we'll be right back. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever?
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right now constituents across the nation are extending republican lawmakers that they are not happy. outside a town hall event for mitch mcconnell, people lined for miles carrying signs protesting many of the new policies. other republican lawmakers are on town has later today, including ryan costello, senator dean heller, and bill cassidy of louisiana. they're hoping to avoid scenes like these. >> we wrecked our economy with our rulations -- >> last i heard these coal jobs are not coming back. now they don't have the insurance they need because they're poor, and they worked the coal mines, and they're sick, the vet advance are sick, the vet advance are broken down, they're not getting what they need. if you can answer any of that,
i'll sit down and shut up like elizabeth warren. >> the insurance -- no, what percentage -- let me finish my answer, please. i'm going to answer the question. >> when will you be defunding planned parenthood? >> are you willing to cross party lines to make things work for everyone in your constituency? >> i cross party lines all the time. last week i was the single -- >> do you want to be poor or richer? that is the -- [ crowd yelling ] >> i would like to answer questions. >> president trump weighed in with this tweet. i'd read it to you -- the so-called angry crowds are actually in numerous cases planned out by liberal activists. sad with an exclamation point. meantime president trump is sending two of his top
lieutenants to mexico. secretary of state rex tillerson will get there later today and joined by secretary kelly. they'll be meeting with president nieto as between the two presidents, but secretaries kellie and tillerson hope to move past that as they engage the mexican government on border security, immigration and trade and of course the wall that the president wants to build along the border. house speaker ryan is paying a visit to the mexican border, there along with other republicans as they view the area of trump's promised border wall, coming up with a roughly $20 billion expected to take to builds that wall. >> let me bring in a democrat, a
member of the foreign affairs committee and subcommittee on homeland security. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> you heard sean spicer say the u.s. and mexico have a robust healthy relationship right now, do you agree with that assessment? >> thank you, donald trump is afraid people are going to watch cnn, you must be doing something right. thank you for reporting real news. to your question, sean spicer is lying again. he said relations are phenomenal, that is false. there have been protests, and just introduced legislation to say they are not going to buy u.s. corn, they are at one of the worst points in u.s.-mexican history. >> they're going to be having high level meetings, spicer also
said it was an important trip but pushed back on what you're suggesting, he said they're going to try to mend some fences with mexico but this is clearly a critical moment, i assume you agree? >> absolutely. this is not the first time this has happened when president trump offended the prime minister of australia, we had republican u.s. senators call the ambassador to try to mend fences, now we're sending two secretaries to try to clean up the mess. >> the white house says everyone who is here illegally undocumented immigrants here in the united states everyone is subject to removal but also say the enforcement guidelines are not meant the facilitate mass deportations, you're response? >> having come to the united states as an immigrant i find the administration's actions
offensive, unamerican and cruel, and it's going to separate children from their parents, break apart families and at least under george bush we had compassionate conservative, this is cruel conservetism, and is going to lead tomas deportations and that is not good for america and i hope people see about what's to happen and we stop it. >> but the president is letting the so-called dreamers brought here as young kids by their parents from other countries an they have grown up here in the united states the only country they know, he says the daca provisions will remain in affect. you're pleased by that? >> i am, but they could also deport their parents of these daca students and i'm not pleased with that. this is all based on a ultimate reality of facts, it's been negative since 2007 that means
more mexicans have left america than entered. and studies show documented and undocumented commit less crimes than people born in america. >> let me quickly get your reaction to president trump's tweet that a lot of unrest is being caused by liberal activists, sean spicer basically said the same thing in his briefing saying that the anger that the media is showing is not necessarily genuine, what's your response to that? >> these protests at these town halls are continuation of the massive backlash against president trump starting january 21st with the women's march, then at the airports and now at the town halls and i think it's sad that the president of the united states is ignoring the concerns of the americans. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you. so who will lead the
democratic party in the era of a new president. the debate they debate tonight live on cnn at 10:00 p.m. eastern, chris cuomo and dana bash are the moderators. >> the visit is meant to ease tensions between trump's administration and mexican president, tillerson's state department is responsible for explaining u.s. foreign policy to the country indeed to the world through daily press briefings, but they haven't held one since president trump took office back on january 20th, tony blink en is with me. it's been a month now and there's been no daily state department briefing. >> that's right. >> to the news media, no on-camera briefings, sthrthere'
spokesman, but it's pretty unusual to be this long not hearing from the state department? >> it is, and it takes an important mega phone out of our hands. this is the way to explain policy and clarify policy, i think there's probably good reason for it and that's that it's unclear what the police is, it's hard to know what to say when there's this dysfunction in the national security process. to date the right people haven't been brought around the table in the situation room, secretary of state, chairman of joint chiefs and others normally when you have a normal process everyone gets around the same table, debate the policy, decide the policy an everyone speaks with one voice. that hadn't been happening. >> presumably a state department spokesperson could go out there
and say something contradictory within minutes? >> yes. the vice president and the secretary of homeland security and they did a good job in i think reassuring europeans except no one in europe could tell what exactly represented the administration's policy and i think secretary tillerson is under the same challenge. >> all the senior positions that just below that of secretary of state are unfilled. assistant secretaries their vetting people presumably reviewing the process but you have temporary career diplomats filling in some of those spots. >> that's exactly right. it's not the same thing as having a full time -- when he's off going to mexico which is a good thing who is back in the white house representing the state department when they're
talking policy? assuming they're even convened in that room. he's there to protect the interest of the department to make sure it's fully represented. >> what's wrong with what the white house says, they are political appointees, they don't want those who criticize donald trump during the extent of the campaign, i'm sure that the obama administration didn't want critics. >> on one hand there's nothing wrong with that and the president is entitled to have his people so is the secretary of state, but two things what's going on and i think a new problem with the national security adviser has to get his arms around is while the nfc has been operationing you see other competing power centers rising, you have mr. bannon apparently
maki making -- with russia, even mexico, a bunch of freelancers presenting peace plans for ukraine around behind the back of the national security council. unless regular order is re-established and that really is mr. mcmaster's job it's going to be hard for anyone to make policy and doubly difficult because our partners around the world don't know who to listen to. >> you served and became deputy secretary of state. i assume you're reassured that general mcmaster is now the national security adviser. >> he's a first rate pick and everything he's done whether it was on the battlefield or thinking and writing about national security, i think it's hard to find anyone who has anything negative to say about him, i hope one of conditions he took about taking the job was it
>> not just a friend, just a good guy, a friend for a very long time. that's what the president said. and the two of course do seem particularly close in photo after photo. here they are greeting the tesla ceo, elon musk, in the state dining room as trump signs an executive order about the oil pipeline industry. and this, trump speaking on the phone with vladimir putin, and who is there? steve bannon. and then when they worked together in the white house, check this out, their offices, steps apart. in fact the only person who sat closer to the president of the united states than bannon was president trump's son-in-law, jared kushner. even the official chief of staff, reince priebus, sat farther away from president trump. and of course as trump knows well from his real estate days, power is all about location, location, location. slamming bannon, though, was only part of the white house operation today. the press secretary tried to rip the book itself and its author, michael wolff.
>> could you just give a few examples of things that have been said in this book that are false, that you would like to set the record straight on? >> there are numerous mistakes, but i'm not going waste my time or the country's time going page by page talking about a book that's complete fantasy and just full of tabloid gossip, because it's sad, pathetic, and our administration and our focus will be on moving the country forward. >> okay. it is not complete fantasy. i want to make it clear, we have not independently corroborated many of the details in the bombshell book, but let's just take two examples. two of the people who are in the book are verifying part of what's in it. trump supporter anne colter confirmed her quote to "the washington examiner." she said to trump nobody is telling you this but you can't, you just can't hire your children. and janice minn said everything she knew about an intimate d
wolff said he didn't know who that was. not true. we've heard donald trump talk about john boehner for years. but on the whole this has rocked the white house, this has overtaken their agenda. they wanted to start 2018 talking about immigration. republican leaders i'm told are going to camp david this weekend to talk about the agenda. on the same day this book is coming out. so the president will be meeting tomorrow at camp david at the very moment this book is coming out. so the reality here is in terms of winning or losing, i don't think we know the answer to that yet. one thing is clear, the president had a close connection to steve bannon. we'll see if that's ever rebuilt or not. at this point it seems unlikely, erin. >> that is for sure. of course another thing that is for sure is this book is a best seller. outfront tonight, the white house deputy press secretary. i appreciate your time coming on to talk about this and give your side of the story. you heard sarah sanders downplaying the relationship between president trump and steve bannon today. the reality, you just saw it.
bannon was in the room constantly. i was in a meeting, right, it was kellyanne conway, reince priebus, sean spicer, jared kushner, the president, at the time the president-elect, and steve bannon. he was there all the time. >> okay. i mean i'm looking at a picture now, you're showing multiple people in the same picture. it wasn't like the president was sitting alone with steve bannon plotting and deciding how to move forward. i mean obviously steve bannon was on the campaign. obviously he was in the white house. but he wasn't on the ballot. the people voted for donald trump. steve bannon was not some svengali for the campaign. donald trump was able to defeat 16 republican candidates, accomplished republican candidates, seven weeks before hillary clinton could defeat three and that was without steve bannon. we just passed tax reform without steve bannon so i'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. even you just made the point that you haven't corroborated so many of the stories in this book. i do want to make one point if i may. >> right, but i don't want to confuse that with that we've tried and failed and are saying
it isn't true. i'm just saying cnn has not had the time to go through and corroborate that. i just want to make it clear. >> this morning i released a statement on behalf of the white house about a meeting that president donald trump was having with several sitting united states senators about a major agenda item moving forward and it was immigration. i received no -- and i also had an on the record statement in that e-mail. i received no fewer than three inquiries from cnn asking for corroboration, which is exactly what cnn is supposed to do. however, this book comes out and you guys run it lock, stock and barrel out deciding to corroborate any of it ahead of time? what we're showing you are steve bannon's quotes, which were on the record from steve bannon, okay? he has not questioned any of them. that is all you have seen on this program right now and of course as i point out, janice minn corroborating a dinner she was at and ann coulter
corroborating his. >> sean spicer denied his, mick mulvaney denied his, so i just want to know where it stops because it's pretty obvious that there are many discrepancies. this is full of false information, inaccuracies, and quite frankly this author is quite frankly a crackpot, fake news fantasy fiction writer and it's been proven time and time again. by his own admission he says he's loose with the facts and journalists say that's his reputation. so let's not run this wall to wall on cnn saying it's all factual, it's not. >> again, what we're saying is this is what the book says and the quotes i'm sharing are from steve bannon. i want to talk to you about some of the allegations who they are attributed to say they happened, okay? >> okay. >> but first i want to talk about the effort today to say steve bannon wasn't a big player, wasn't instrumental to the winning, all the things you just said. it's not just the pictures, which you're right, it's not just him and the president, but
it includes jared kushner, who i think we all know is close to the president. >> who's still there, by the way. >> right. i'm just simply saying if you've got a group and it's jared kushner, steve bannon, the president and someone else, i think people know the point i'm making. it isn't just the pictures, it's what the president of the united states himself said about steve bannon, who again is on the record in these quotes in the book. here's the president. >> i have a very good relationship, as you know, with steve bannon. steve has been a friend of mine for a long time. i like steve a lot. steve is very committed. he's a friend of mine and he's very committed to getting things passed. i like mr. bannon, he's a friend of mine. bannon has -- you know, i like him a lot. he's actually a very good guy. >> steve is a very good guy. >> now the book comes out and, what, he's just a total liar? all that's false? i'm trying to understand. >> well, that was then and this is now. obviously over the course of mr. bannon's time in the white house, you've seen the results that he produced, which was
desist. they're not ceasing and desisting. in fact they have pushed the publish date up by four days. it's coming out tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. the publisher says we see it as an extraordinary contribution to our national discourse. what's your response to that? >> i'm no attorney so i'm going to leave the attorneys to litigate with the attorneys for the -- the spokes people for this piece of tabloid trash, but it's pretty obvious that if i were an attorney, there are plenty of accusations in that book that have already been disproven. there are plenty of accusations in that book that are not credible. and again, i'm not an attorney but it seems like i'd have a field day with that in a court of law. >> let me just take one. janice minn, editor for "the hollywood reporter" was at that dinner which included roger ailes and steve bannon. she said that it was an astonishing dinner, everything in the book is absolutely accurate. one of the exchanges that was reported in the book about that dinner went like this. what has he gotten himself into with the russians, pressed
>> yes, and that's what we do every single day. thank you so much, hogan, i appreciate your time. >> absolutely, thanks, erin. i want to go to mark preston. your reaction, mark. >> well, a couple things. i think the most important thing that hogan said out of that interview, erin, is that he said all bets are off now. meaning that the war that we've been discussing or we think might come to fruition between steve bannon and between president trump is very much real and is very much not going to be over any time soon. we saw steve bannon kind of try to put i guess a fig leaf or olive branch out to the president by saying some nice things on his breitbart radio program, but the fact of the matter is it's clear that the president wants blood now from steve bannon. >> look, they're engaging in a he said, he said, he said, she said, whatever it is. well, two said that but how many more people -- you heard that whole exchange and back and forth. they want to raise doubt on everything in here, and as he points out, there are some things in here which are directly contradicted, the people who are in, not about
that particular exchange but others that people said didn't happen. they think that raising more questions will cause a problem. but of course the book will be a top best seller. how does it play out? >> it plays out this way. if we go over the past year and take the book and overlay it with the reporting with cnn, "the washington post," the associated press, there does seem to be a lot of similarities. certainly the way that donald trump came to decisions. one of the most important things that i read that came out of that book is the disinterest that we saw from president trump when it came to details about very important subjects. people that i have talked to over the past year have corroborated that. they told me that he was very disinterested in these details and the chaos in the white house is very much real. >> yeah, certainly we have that. there's a couple instances of things in here that i know from talking to the people involved also happened as reported. again, a couple out of many, but we'll see as the reporting continues. thank you so very much, mark.
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including within that at least two dozen requests of him asking to have an interview with the president, which he never did. >> wolff, though, said he had extraordinary access to trump. he said he was able to take up something like a semi-permanent seat on a couch in the west wing, an idea wolff claims was encouraged by the president himself. wolff says he conducted over 200 interviews over 18 months, says he has tapes and says those interviews include the president himself and most members of the senior staff. also according to axios, the reporting outlet, wolff says some of those conversations are taped, including those with steve bannon. so outfront now, one of the people quoted in the new book, sam nunberg. good to have you back on, it's been a while. the white house is calling the book complete fantasy, sad, pathetic. you just heard hogan gidley in a similar vein. you spoke to michael wolff for the book. >> three times.
>> you had conversations. you're quoted in the book. you're mentioned in the book several times and now we're looking at it, sam hasn't seen all of the times, but one time he quotes about how you were explaining the constitution to trump. >> right. >> he quotes you as saying i got as far as the fourth amendment before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head. tell me the context in which this happened. >> sure. first of all, the context of it was that the president before the first debate, i was out of the campaign starting around september of 2015. the president before the first debate was going to one of his properties in europe and we were trying to get a lot of issues in before he left so he couldn't get these gotcha questions or infamous gotcha questions before the 2016 cycle. the infamous one asking rudy giuliani the difference between a sunni and a shia. i was able to go over some of these questions where i thought possibly on the constitution some people either on the stage as competitors or some of these moderators would try to ask him quick questions. it wasn't to teach him the constitution. he knows the constitution.
it was to say here's per se something that has been asked before. we didn't get -- we only got to the fourth amendment there and at that time he remembered. besides running for president, he was running his business. so i'm not criticizing michael. i like michael. a political book, i believe it's not nonfiction, but on the other hand, they use puffery and try to create a narrative. >> so you did get as far as the fourth amendment. you don't know his motive for becoming disinterested. >> he had a ton of things to do. one other thing in general that i wanted to say that's perhaps not in this book is the president and i had a common disagreement. the president was 100% correct and i was incorrect. >> about whether there was going to be a gotcha question. >> in general what the average voter wanted. if the average voter wanted cerebral esoteric minutia answers, then they weren't going to vote for donald trump to begin with. the president understood if he was going to win the nomination,
he understood this better than me that it was going to be about big ideas. >> so you're getting to the motive of whatever it was, disinterested or -- >> and i'm not spinning for him. i'm a supporter of his. i don't work for the white house and don't try to make money off the white house. from where i stand he's appointed the best judges. >> and you agree with his politics. you were working for them briefly. many of the quotes here, rupert murdoch, expletive, and by the way, that's the trend all the way through the book. >> there's a lot of cursing. we're new yorkers. you know what i mean? this is a very aggressive type -- >> and those quotes are in there. >> yes. >> but most of them consistently point to trump's wide-ranging ignorance. you're framing that, it sounds like in this conversation, the context of he had other things to do or he judged that the voter wouldn't care. >> in general -- >> but what's your takeaway about his ideas and interest in
policy. >> in general, he is a stubborn, stubborn man in a way where you can argue with him about what he needs to know, you can argue with him about what he wants to do, but i tell you what, he's sitting in the oval office. say what you want about him, he got 306 electoral votes. he won the states that i didn't think he was going to win up to four days before when i was talking to people in the campaign and the trend was going there. and i could see that and i'm surprised from reading the book. i don't know this because i don't talk to him while he's in the white house. i can see he's not going to change. that is him. that is it. >> so you know steve bannon well. >> yes. >> you just heard hogan gidley come on and say they don't know each other. it's absurd. >> he did a pretty bad job, by the way. >> were they close? >> they're very close. they were very close. i can tell you when i worked from the president from 2011 through 2015, and i was essentially with michael stone and roger stone, the only people supporting and believing that he could be elected president, there were two people that would take our phone calls.
steve bannon at breitbart, chris ruddy at news max, that was it. and he was a very good person for us to get -- you know, to spring ideas off of. i'm sorry that this happened. i disagree with what steve said about don junior. he should not have said that. steve should also not havin sin waited anything about money laundering with the trump organization. i had nothing to do with president trump's business or president trump's business. anything i heard of anything, there was nothing above the letter of the law there. >> look, i think you're putting the nuance here, which is important. overall -- >> yes. >> -- the president is saying bannon is sour grapes, he's lost his mind was his quote. >> yes. >> you were let go from the trump campaign and then sued for allegedly leaking information. that's what they have said. what's your response if they come out and say hey you, you're just sour grapes, you're a liar, as you heard hogan try to do about everything in the book. >> my response is i hope the president is very successful. i'm not trying to get a job in the white house. i think it's amazing that he won
this election. i i think he's a man of historic proportions. one of the things he took a quote out of context was he's going to be the most famous man in the world. i support his re-election and hope to be able to donate to him in 2020. my point is anything i told michael, the point was this guy is a very unique, interesting guy. you're not going to see this. the same way you're not going to see another barack obama, you're not going to see another donald trump in the oval office. >> thank you very much for your time. now let's go to our chief analyst gloria borger and richard painter. gloria, a big takeaway from sam. he's not denying what was said in terms of what he said. obviously he's trying to say maybe that the nuance of it is a little bit different when it's coming in but he's not saying that that moment did not happen. >> no, he's not. look, his point i think to you
is that donald trump is different from anyone we've ever seen in the oval office. >> right. >> that he's unique, he's interesting, and he's stubborn. this is who he is. and that, you know, he didn't deny the anecdote at all, but it seems to me as if he said this is the guy who won. >> right. >> that's who he is. >> it is what it is and that's who he is. so take it for what you want. but it is what it is. richard, president trump's lawyer, that cease and desist letter, they sent it. the response is no. they think it's an extraordinary contribution to american society. they are not pulling it out. but this -- pulling the book out. i'm sorry, in fact they're rushing it to the press. yet the white house is fighting this so aggressively. i don't know if you heard hogan gidley but everybody is a liar, liar, liar. why not just ignore it? >> i don't know why the president is doing that.
apparently that briefing on the constitution, up through the fourth amendment, i assume he spent the whole time speaking of the second amendment and guns. the first amendment he has no idea of. there is absolutely no way you can go into court and get a judge to enjoin the distribution of a book. even "the new york times" when they were publishing classified information in the pentagon papers, the courts were unwilling to hold that "the new york times" violated the law by doing that, the same with wikileaks. we do not enjoin publication of anything. this book doesn't even contain classified information. libel suits cannot be brought by public figures unless they show an extremely high degree of malice and reckless disregard for the truth. those suits can only be brought after the fact, after the book is published.
so this idea that you can ask for cease and desist is utterly ridiculous. it shows no understanding of the first amendment of the constitution, and we just don't do business that way in this country. in russia or some other country maybe the president can say that a book can't be sold and shut down the presses. not here. >> all right, not here. as we said, 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning that book will be on the shelves, four days earlier than planned. thank you both. next, remarkable meetings between lawmakers and a yale university psychiatrist who said trump is, quote, unraveling. i'll speak to a congressman who was briefed and can tell you what was said. and president trump taking credit for north and south korea talking. does his own secretary, secretary mattis, agree? ♪
because getting what you need should be simple, fast, and easy. download the xfinity my account app or go online today. new tonight, the president's mental health was the subject of a meeting between a dozen lawmakers and a yale psychiatrist who believes the president is, quote, unraveling. news of this unusual meeting coming as the white house for the second time in as many days is defending the president's mental health. >> what's the president's reaction to the growing number of suggestions both in this book and in the media that he's mentally unfit to serve as president? >> the same way we have when it's been asked before, that it's disgraceful and laughable. if he was unfit, he probably wouldn't be sitting there and wouldn't have defeated the most qualified group of candidates the republican party has ever seen. this is an incredibly strong and
good leader. >> sunlen serfaty is outfront in washington tonight. so what can you tell us about this meeting, how it came to be and who was there? >> erin, this briefing happened in early december up here on capitol hill. a small group of lawmakers took this briefing, about a dozen democrats and republicans and at least one republican senator took this meeting. this meeting was set up by a former u.s. attorney at the request of many lawmakers. a briefing specifically to look at donald trump's fitness, mental fitness to be president. i spoke with one of the psychiatrists that briefed these lawmakers, dr. bandy lee from yale university. when i spoke to her today, she said the lawmakers in that briefing were engaged, they were asking questions, interested, and specifically in that briefing she said she believes according to her professional opinion that donald trump is showing signs of impairment is what she told them. she believes he's become very
unstable very quickly, that he is unraveling. again, in her opinion. and that she believes he seems to be losing his grip on reality. and she left that meeting, erin, with the impression that many lawmakers were legitimately concerned about president trump's mental health. a big side note to all of this, one that dr. lee did emphasize in my conversation with her today, she said she's not in a formal position to formally diagnose his condition given that there are certain protocols for medical professionals and given that she has not examined him herself. >> thank you very much. i want to go to maryland congressman jamie raskin who met with the doctor. i appreciate your time. what did she tell you? >> well, i think she spoke to a lot of people in the mental health community in telling us that there are growing signs of paranoia, delusion and isolation in the president's behavior. any hope that we had that it might turn around or get better was dashed by the discussion.
she and other mental health professionals we've spoken to have said there are other people who they have treated with the same kinds of symptoms and there's basically no real medical cure for the condition that he's demonstrating and their object in treating people with these symptoms is to contain them and to keep them away from weaponry. >> so contain them and keep them away from weaponry. and you're saying she is not the only professional of her level of expertise who said this to you? >> well, dr. lee, of course, editted a book called "the dangerous case of donald trump." and there are dozens of essays and articles in there. i read the book before she came down. you know, there's this group called duty to warn with thousands of mental health professionals. now, from our perspective, we're not psychiatrists, we're not mental health professionals, that's not our job. but it is our job to enforce the constitution. and the 25th amendment has a way of dealing with this potential
crisis. >> and i want to ask you about that, it's about fitness to serve. but first sarah sanders, she says it's disgraceful and laughable to question the president's mental fitness. he wouldn't be in the oval office if he was unfit. what's your response to that? she has a point. the man went through a grueling campaign and he won. >> yeah. to begin with, the president himself has called people a nut job, a basket case, accused other people are going insane as recently as yesterday when i think he said that steve bannon was losing his mindin. to the psychiatrist that looks like a massive projection on the part of the president. look, this is america, we've got the first amendment and everybody has a right to speak whether in a book or from the oval office and people can talk. my interest is doing our duty under the 25th amendment. 50 years ago both houses of congress, overwhelming majorities of democrats and republicans alike said we've got to prepare for the possibility
of a president who becomes physically or mentally impaired and unable to execute the powers and duties of office. and there are two ways that the provisions are activated under the fourth provision of the 25th amendment. one is the vice president and the cabinet can act, but the framers of the 25th amendment knew that the cabinet -- >> that's not going to happen. >> so the other is the vice president and a body to be set up by congress. that body unfortunately was never set up. in 50 years that body has not been set up, but we've got legislation to do it. today the 57th co-sponsor joined the legislation and it's a bipartisan body appointed by republicans, by democrats, with a chair appointed by democrats and republicans together with psychiatrists, with physicians and with former states people on it. so there's nothing to be afraid of because this body will act in the interest of the country and that's what the 25th amendment is all about. >> okay. so let me ask you, though, to this point. your republican colleague in the senate, richard shelby, today
said i don't know the president well but i spent an hour and a half with him back in september, just the two of us talking. he seemed to be lucid. i think he's different, i think he's unique. we're all unique individuals. that's his description of it. look, we all know it, the guy isn't like pretty much anybody else. that's unique. that doesn't mean that he's unstable. is it possible you're blowing all of this out of proportion? >> well, every person in the country is unique, undoubtedly. the question is whether or not you are constitutionally capable of executing the powers and duties of the office of the presidency of the united states. you know, we have 535 members of congress. we only have one president, and that person as the president reminded us this week has control over nuclear weaponry and the ability to take the world to war. so this is -- this goes beyond the normal push and pull of the daily political gossip. this goes to the question of the security of the country, the
survival of our people and people around the world. so i just think that we need to take our responsibility seriously. there's enough questions that have been raised that we would not be doing our constitutional duty if we don't set the body up in the event that things continue to spiral downward. >> congressman raskin, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. and next, president trump taking credit for talks between north and south korea, which, bby the way, historically important thing, a big success. his own defense secretary doesn't seem quite to agree with who gets the credit. and the east coast frozen. laguardia airport in new york barely reopening. other airports completely shut down. a massive cyclone bomb.
>> ian bremmer is president and founder of the eurasia group. it's great to have you in person, ian. >> good to be here. >> the president came out taking full credit, that's the way he operates, saying it's international pressure, it's a much broader thing. which is it? >> i'll give him partial credit here. stuff he's done well. he's gotten the chinese more onboard, tougher sanctions, including at the security council as well as cracking down individually because he linked it to american trade. he made it a high priority issue. that's worked. he's also forced the north koreans under pressure to consider that talks with others would be a good idea, right? so you give trump some credit for that, more than you would obama. but north korea testing all these icbms, ramping up on that, which is quite dangerous, doing it because they're concerned, they feel like they need a stronger deterrent before they go into negotiations. they have definitely picked that up because of trump. most importantly, south korea, our ally, going by themselves to
talk to the chinese and the north koreans because they understand that trump's america first policy sure as hell isn't a south korea first policy. they have to worry about themselves. that's what they're doing. that's an ally that isn't as strong of the americans right now working their own game. >> all right. so the president finished that tweet, i said in part. the end of the tweet said fools, referring to the experts who said that he wasn't doing a good job. talks are a good thing. now, look, a lot of people would say of course talks are a good thing, exempt the president for himself said talks were a bad thing. in october he tweeted i told rex tillerson, our wonderful secretary of state, when you know something like that you know he's about to slam you, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with little rocket man. okay, so now talks are a good thing but then they were a bad thing. >> the thing about trump is his ability to pivot 180 when it serves his purpose at the moment is vastly greater than any other
president. mexico is going to pay for the wall, now they're not. >> he thinks it's a strength to be completely inconsistent. >> i don't know if he thinks it's a strength. i certainly think that he's in the moment. he's tactical, he's not strategic. in that regard, if there were the potential for a deal between north and south korea, that trump would have personally savaged a month ago, he could swoop in and say my deal. we could see a break-through because of trump's inconsistency but we could also see war. >> that's a pretty terrifying binary choice. >> it's binary. >> the last 20 years haven't been good. a whole bunch of presidents kicking the can down the road. >> building in one direction. but no one ever said there's going to be a binary outcome, which eventually i guess there would have been. >> eventually the alternative is we just learn to live with a nuclear north korea. >> and that's the way it is, as the united states has done with nuclear power after nuclear power. >> yeah. i mean i think it is certainly much more likely today that a
miscalculation will lead to war on the peninsula. >> and what's your take of the my button is bigger than yours, which at best was juvenile? >> yeah. but i will also say that 98% of the coverage that i've seen at least in the united states this week on north korea has been about the button. >> yeah. >> and by far the most important point on north korea is that for the first time since kim jong-un has become leader, the north and the south koreans are now talking routinely by telephone directly. that's actually what matters. it matters because it could lead to a break-through and it could isolate the americans against north and south korea. we should be talking about that, but it's not entertaining and trump knows how to get us worked up by putting these tweets out. i mean it is a useful strategy. >> all right, ian, thank you so much. wonderful to see you. >> you too. next, blizzard warnings maine to florida. the berweather bomb cyclone, th is the technical teller, delivering. and the president's bizarre appearance at the briefing today. he was 200 feet away.
why did he appear like this?
cyclone wreaking havoc. jfk closed. too dangerous to take off. hundreds of thousands of passengers stranded. savage winds pushing frozen massachusetts bay over its banks. foot of water surging through boston. homes and buildings surrounding by floating chunks of ice. cars submerged, frozen and conditions are getting worse because of the temperature plummeting. alex this is incredibly powerful storm. what is it like where you are right now? >> reporter: you're right. this bomb cyclone exploding up and down the coast of massachusetts, mass flooding into homes and roadways. leading to rescues in homes from vehicles. here in boston this afternoon i watched flood waters come up over the docks of the boston harbor, mixing with snow in the streets.
creating this slush-like thing that looked like molten lava, told tide reached 15.1 feet, possibly tying a record from 1978 blizzard. snow not falling but gusting all around. watched crews working all day to clear the roads. this is in center of boston, done a pretty good job clearing this road. 750 vehicles out clearing roads, sidewalks, throwing down salt to make it safe for people. city officials asking people to hunker down and stay at home for their own safety and so they can do the work to clear the streets. in terms of the snow, look at all of this, this is all from the last 24 hours. falling at rate of two to three inches throughout course of the day. reaching as you see now, around a foot i would say. up to my knees.
in some parts up to 16 inches. it's not the know that officials are worried about. bostonians and people from massachusetts can deal with snow and cold. used to it. but wind that follows the snowstorm, the extreme cold, temperatures down to under zero, possibly setting records, can lead to power outages. governor of massachusetts has said 24,000 outages already and could crow, people losing heat is danger they face. >> and airports closed across the east coast, worst is still to come. cold is crippling and perhaps greater in some places than anything ever before seen. >> yeah. these crews -- city can deal with snow. that's not what they're afraid
of. arctic temperatures. talking about go to minus seven between now and sunday. temperatures that we're told by scientists are seen on mars. can have a crippling effect as you said. power and heat, that's dangerous situation for people who have been told to stay home but now home, possibly without power or heat by the tens of thousands. erin. >> thank you alex from boston. breaking news in the russia investigation from robert mueller, "new york times" reporting tonight that president trump told the white house's top lawyer to stop attorney general jeff sessions from recusing himself from the russia investigation. white house counsel mcgahn according to "times" told sessions and he did not listen
as we know. "times" said upon hearing that he was going to recuse himself president erupted in anger in fronts officials saying he needed attorney general to protect him. special counsel robert mueller has learned of this. on the phone, michael zeldin, cnn legal analyst, worked with bob mueller. the "new york times," michael schmidt reporting. way he wrote first sentence is important. president trump gave firm instructions in march to the white house's top lawyer, stop the attorney general jeff sessions from recusing himself in the justice department investigation into russia. firm instructions to the white house top lawyer. what does it mean? >> well, it means that the president wanted don mcgahn to try to talk sessions out of his belief that the justice department regulations that
prohibit him from being attorney general on this didn't apply. mcgahn failed to convince sessions of that. he was quite clear in his testimony that he believes -- correct in his belief -- he has no choice but recuse himself because of the role he played in the campaign. mcgahn tries, sessions adheres to the law. mcgahn fails, president erupts. what that is relevant mostly to russia investigation is whether it's another brick in the wall as we keep calling it of the president's obstructionist behavior. >> do you think it is obstruction when you hear this? >> no. i think the president has the right to say to his white house counsel, go talk to the attorney general, try to convince him he doesn't need to do this under the president's interpretation of the law.
because the attorney general doesn't agree with him and does recuse himself, doesn't make it obstructionist behavior. but it does speak to the president's state of mind about the russia investigation and how concerned he was about how much mueller might do damage to his presidency and that he needed as they say in the "new york times" article, a roy coen, someone to protect him from mueller. he's concerned about mueller but can't get his attorney general not to obey the law. good for sessions, bad luck for the attorney who has to deliver this message and obviously bad luck for the president because he's still enmired in this mess. >> the justice department is fighting back tonight michael, spokesperson telling us about this report from michael schmidt, a top notch reporter from the "times," could not and would not happen.
plain and simple. this is the way they handle everything in the trump administration, just say point blank something didn't happen. maybe it didn't, maybe it was slightly different or maybally point blank lie. it's hard to tell the difference. >> mcgahn had to know at this point there were clear regulations that prohibited attorney general from overseeing matter involving political campaign in which he was active participant. wasn't a choice for sessions, that's what he testified to, that's why he recused himself. mcgahn has a client demanding an outcome that's not obtainable. that's just the way it is. maybe the justice department's point of view is he didn't order sessions to stay on but rather tried to convince mcgahn that sessions didn't have to do this,
of israel. and. we said no to trump and others no we will not accept his project. told him the deal of the century is the slap of the century and we will retaliate. abbas's voice was part of the very loud chorus the world heard today a chorus of defiance against and rejection of u.s. influence around the world today russian foreign minister sergei lavrov accused washington of refusing to recognize the multipolar geo political world that is taking shape pointed to trump's promise to torpedo the iran nuclear deal as an example of a trump white house that wields only ultimatums and dictates and then there is
turkey today turkish president erda one warned that he will use military force against a planned the us backed and kurdish led border force in syria along the border with turkey or one considers the kurdish k.-k. party to be terrorists and armed confrontation could potentially see two nato members clash something unheard of until today. syrian government forces fired on rebel fighters in and that this some verified footage was posted online by the syrian government the syrian observatory for human rights say the army has captured dozens of villages in the past three days and is closing in on rebel forces for the new with turkey has threatened to attack the kurdish held town with a free monitoring group say shelling has already begun ankara had been hoping for washington support instead a fresh conflict is brewing between the countries the u.s.
led coalition says it is setting up a thirty thousand strong security force to inhibit the activities of the so cool islamic state and on the borders with turkey and iraq these areas are controlled by the syrian democratic forces a u.s. backed militia alliance led by syrian kurds but turkey regards the kurds as terrorists and does not want them controlling territory along its border turkey's president rich typepad one accuse the us of acting against turkish interests should the arctic. now the u.s. has acknowledged it has a stablished an army of terror along our country's border. it's up to us to drown this army of terror before it's born almost. the syrian government and its key ally russia also denounced the coalition's plans at a news conference in moscow russian foreign minister sergey lavrov warned the move could lead to serious partition. even if we take into
consideration that i yes hasn't been completely destroyed as the americans say because some groups still remain. in the current us actions shows that they don't want to maintain syria's territorial integrity. super cute and you could see it so who needs to be put in that civil suit despite being on opposing sides russia and turkey have recently supported each other in a bid to bring peace to syria it's unclear how to he's threats against a free might affect that cooperation in the future. are strong language there for more now we go to our correspondent dorian jones he is on the story for us tonight in istanbul good evening to you dorian i mean we've got at a one here threatening to use military force against the u.s. backed border force in syria i mean how much of this is bullied to bully bellicose talk versus a real threat of armed conflict between two nato allies. well
i think certainly that is what washington will be asking and neither is true the president has made this threat many times before but this threat by far seems to be the most serious and that's because turkey has been building up its forces on the border over the weekend there was a very heavy artillery bombardment in the african region this kurdish enclave of course in syria which president won and said that they will attack and we've also got unconfirmed reports already turkish commandos have been carrying out operations into this region but there is one point here that are free and it's the one area there are no u.s. soldiers present so it does seem that of it does carry out this is keen to avoid the nightmare some are scenario of turkey soldiers facing off against american soldiers during that judging by the ones reaction to his words today it appears that he was completely caught off guard by this u.s. announcement is that the case well it does appear to
be the case because you have to realize that there's been this whole issue of the washington backing the syrian kurdish militia the white peachy has been a major point of tension between washington and particular because washington has been arming this group for many many months now it did appear late last year some sort of agreement had been reached between the two presidents where the turkish president claimed that donald president donald trump had agreed to end the arming and was scaling back its support of this group now this this proposal of a thirty thousand strong front here force that was going to be mainly made up of syrian kurdish fighters has caused absolute outrage it does appear that has been shocked by this and they do thi this as another case of what they see as washington's hypocrisy if not outright for trail and what about the role of russia in this does does he have moscow's support.
well that is a big question because moscow has been playing very much a double game here on the one hand it has been only too happy to see this deepening route between two nato allies and in fact our own crap being gravitating more more towards moscow causing more alarm in washington on top of that moscow has been supporting quietly behind the scenes the same syrian kurdish militia because they see the syrian kurdish militia as a very potent and important force in the future outcome of syria so moscow will will have in many ways to make a big choice if it does go ahead and launch his operation in particular because there are russian forces in this area of aspirin which is threatening to attack and on top of that will be looking for permission from moscow to let its planes cross into syria to carry out air support in any kind of operation up until now moscow has been very reluctant to do that so moscow is facing a big choice here and will be trying to calm tensions so it will not be forced to choose one side or the alpha endured before we let you go i mean when you when you look at what's happening with turkey when you look at what we're hearing from
russia and the palestinians to that do you get the sense that there is a a border sense of a willingness to challenge u.s. influence and supremacy in the middle east or in global geopolitics at the moment. well i think that will be a feeling that is coming across the region particularly because turkey's president has been so outspoken although he doesn't personally challenge president trump he does feel that many way he had little choice in that he feels that his country is facing a clear and present danger and a danger from the syrian kurdish militia which he believes will get only stronger given the fact it is receiving that support from both washington and moscow but the fact that he needs to be openly charging the super power will lead to greater growing questions about how much power and influence washington have in the region it appears to be a growing question as time moves forward doreen jones on the story for us tonight
in istanbul dorian thank you very much still to come on the day we'll go into overdrive and show you what's hot at the detroit auto show is over the motor muscles still the king of motel and where are the green fleets of e-car or the lives of the server floor that's coming up in about ten minutes. social media platforms and tech giants are facing report cards and public grilling this week on both sides of the atlantic on wednesday u.s. congressmen will ask the c.e.o.'s of facebook twitter and alphabet about what they're doing and what they're not doing to keep terrorists and their propaganda offline here in europe but we will find out what the e.u. thinks of the latest efforts by facebook twitter and google to deal with hate speech online now there are no e.u. laws forcing tech companies to act yet but french president he isn't waiting any
longer p. plans to introduce legislation this year to ban fake news during elections and to force tech companies to polish their content. i've decided to change. to protect democratic life from fake news. yep that will impose a trick the transparency rules on platforms for sponsored content to make public the identity of advertisers and those who control and also kept the money channel towards the contagion. or here in germany a new anti hate speech law took effect on january first designed to force social media platforms to remove hate speech quickly or face huge fines the law which is known as net d.g. puts the state at the center of a debate over free speech versus digital censorship germany is now recruiting armies of cyber content cops and
a note on the language here in english people responding to hate speech reports are referred to as content moderators in german they are members of what's known as a you know lush team and if you transit light directly it means delete team now it may sound harsh at first but perhaps it's more to the point to and perhaps even more on missed my next guest tonight spit three months inside one of those content management teams for facebook right here in berlin as she recounted her experiences and the reasons for leaving so soon in an article published in a german newspaper last week entitled three months in hell for. and tonight. as you go to keene pones month joins me here in studio three a at the big table i think that's an improvement from three months in hell borzou it's good to have you on the show for me we laugh ingrid about the tire but
three months in hell what made what made it so bad oh well thanks for having me again a bit surprised to be under the spotlight. while. what make it so difficult the way the work is organize was very constraining bridget. where you are in a factual way of that they just did slate well as many other people are working its way and i've been so far lucky enough to be able to work there differently and has just arrived to build lane six months ago was looking for a jolt that i could perform with to fluent into the intimate and it's fun myself in this way but what is very specific here is. the violence that it's human contact you have to we work on a very violent content is
a continent i'd like to i'd like to share a part of what you wrote about your time with facebook with our viewers you write i found myself in a factory world as part of a global digital proletariats i don't know whether we were producing anything but i got the sense that we were helping to keep a multibillion industry running i sometimes had the impression that i was working in the emergency services and and other times in law enforcement i felt powerless as i couldn't intervene the only power that the content moderator has is to delete a post i mean this there are some profound faults there but did you really feel that your job was to keep a monster sized company in business. know this is will not be correct and what makes this work also difficult is the fact
that the profession of one time with directors as an excess and those performing does task our whole call center agents and they paid. probably less than call center agents i think bloomberg called the worst job in the tech industry right now i'm not so familiar with other jobs but. in just a small actions i haven't worked directly for facebook but i was one of the outsource review. but. you see the reason why i mean this paper got published or the first the reason why i wrote it i wanted to. try to a system check myself from this content that i be a facing. a trial was ever day. you said you didn't have time at work ever to reflect on it you were deleting right not person that's correct and this is about
what i said that you don't there's no space for really to briefing inflecting on the impact that's contact can have on you the reason why i came i decided to write these were very post after post and notes and it was for me a way i know that you are very important to talk about something that has affected you in order not to carry it with you for the rest of your life was and then. and again so while i had i worked previously was color i mean i'm used to some kind of analysis and talking and communicating. well. i think it's special i'm affected by an issue i can i mean i was as well my. eyes of the the results of and i'm very grateful as well as i can show interest in them here i mean is that. then i felt the need to share
them and as you as whether i had the impression of. helping multimillion dollar to keep going on. that was not really a because sorry for me i was i think that is and then what's most of my former colleagues will agree with is that. i had the sense of responsibility and what i was doing was important i mean did you were you trained to be aware that the things book tell you how important your job was that you know this content is very powerful. you know. that our job is important and that's what we do is important we know i mean we're doing the training that i enjoyed very much and by the way it was short it was the only time when we put in to write and reflect to short short yes and that we didn't
have this kind of interaction after work. but. but you understand that. what you see really i mean i discussed at length about that. reflection of the source i.t. digital reflection some of our first i was trying to convince myself that i was exposed only to the most while i'm segment of society marginal but then when you just do what you see is by seven to person made off this kind of content just try to start questioning the whole. if this one site has not become insane. did you have any contact with the owners of the contact with the owners of the content to mean it let's say you decide. that something should be deleted you did you have continued to explain why something was deleted is there any type of reason
given to the person who posted it. so first we don't see at all the identity of the person who's behind to post the report it can be seen or not this is a can decide on that but we don't see it even if we don't have time because we have to make our mind in some thirty seconds thirteen seconds to hand them over thousands of thousand five hundred reports every day the amazing mother put into context however i mean this as i read somewhere that was that more than six million reports were generated more toward every week and then must say that's right and means that there's an incredible amount of pressure put on you. do you feel like you were doing a job that maybe the state or the government should be doing instead i mean you
were you basically since you're an information that's been posted did you feel that that responsibility was. too great and that the state had outsourced it to you now have this very important question and i will say no i know first i mean i don't think that i was censoring i really reflected the bar which my role was censoring i don't think so i really felt much more with behaviors. then really speech because there is a great amount of that is for you q i had the freedom to think you have to freedom to talent to upset me in this is exactly i mean. but not behaviors and very. normal behaviors and behaviors that can cause real harm into what if this station did just a job. yeah not because that's what will happen at the end. that they will shoot the most reports. from the privates companies from this technology companies.
with can try to come with some that have solutions and that support this nonprofit the public sources perhaps there is still cannot be done by it's a. huge what you did was very important. and well we have more time to talk about it but i will definitely let our viewers know where they can read the piece that was in the paper to and up so that they can hear your story and learn a little bit more or as you go to get in bed tonight telling your story about being a constant manager thank you thank you for having me thank you. so. well if you thought the future in motor vehicles promised green fleets of smaller cars well that future still appears a little ways off muscle still matters at least at the detroit motor show where
because trucks and s.u.v.s are still keeping us all the makers have dominated the market for years and the germans want in on the action mercedes benz even rolled out mr muscle himself. that's the so i love this card is my favorite is he. yes even arnold schwarzenegger was on hand to promote the latest g. class in g.b. and it was just one of dozens of new offerings in detroit americans still like their vehicles big and brash and the boom looks set to continue with low gas costs and accelerating u.s. economy. all right let's get our man in the driver's seat tonight first if a nominee joins me now from the detroit motor show he's covering that event there two legs and four wheels carson it's good to see you sir is this i mean it's hard to believe we're talking about this in twenty eighteen is this going to be the year of the gas guzzlers again. well
yes and no i mean everybody here is talking about electric cars hybrid cars. ahead of time when he presented the new g. four by four also promised that in a few years all models of messy disbands would also be on offer as electric cars b.m.w. also very proud saying they are market leaders when it comes to electric cars in the luxury of segments like this i ate coupe that you see here for only one hundred fifty thousand dollars i have to say so the electric cars here and everybody talks about them but basically of course this show is dominated by s.u.v.s pickup trucks light trucks and so on and actually two thirds of all new cars on american roads are from the segments and cars when we were we look at what they are and what
yours you're describing it begs the question have at the europeans have they given up on trying to sell compact you know economical cars to the americans. no the heavens i mean the fox log and the w. has chosen the detroit show to roll out its new jetta so classic sit down if you like and they also have all the other cars they also offering in europe or other areas they also offering here and so all the other competitors and actually also the american ones the asian ones they all have the full range of cars but they have to accept the reality and that is once again that only a third of the cars that are sold in the us classic sedans and also only one percent of those new cars electric cars so basically the industry is
catering to the wishes of the consumers and of course we got about twenty seconds here diesel emissions scandal i mean do you hear anyone talking about that in detroit. short mentions from the north america c.e.o. of fox fog and but basically nobody talks about this and mostly all of the german comics i've talked to they're very optimistic for this year and also for the next few years to come right are very young carson phenomenon with the best assignment in the show tonight in the driver's seat in detroit carson thank you very much. of the day is nearly done but as ever the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either at g.w. news or you can write to me bring for you to use the hash tag the day every member whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see then everybody.
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this sunday, turning against trump. the president's long-time personal attorney, michael cohen, is apparently prepared to say the president knew in advance about the infamous trump tower meeting with russians. >> it appears the president's former attorney and confidant is ready to talk. >> and cohen releases a tape discussing buying the story of a former playmate who says she had an affair with trump. >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay something. >> and we'll pay with cash. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> rudy giuliani attacks cohen. >> the man is a liar, a proven liar. >> not long after praising him. >> the man is an honest, honorable lawyer. >> just how big a threat does cohen pose to president trump? my guests this morning, former trump political advisor sam nunberg and republican senator rob portman of ohio. plus guns and poses. maria butina loves guns, cultivated conservatives and is
now in jail, arrested as a russian agent. does she hold the key to an nra/russia connection? and base politics. today marks 100 days until election day. it's democratic enthusiasm versus trump loyalty. joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell, eddie glaude jr. of princeton university, "wall street journal" columnist peggy noonan and matthew continetti. editor-in-chief of the washington free beacon. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. perhaps nothing better illustrates how president trump wants his supporters to see the world than this moment from his speech to the vfw on wednesday. >> what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> that's right. what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.
okay. despite his orwellian phrasing, one bit of news president trump does want people to know is happening is that the economy grew at a rate of 4.1% in the second quarter. it's the highest since 2014 under president obama. but beyond that, the news was not good for the president this week. there were increasing signs of a democratic blue wave in the midterm elections. now exactly 100 days away. we learned federal prosecutors are seeking to interview allen weisselberg, mr. trump's chief financial officer and someone who knows as much as anyone about how the trump organization and mr. trump personally has done business and with whom. but there were two other stories that got the most attention this week and they both involve the president's now former long-time attorney, friend and fixer, michael cohen. not only did cohen release a tape of him discussing hush money payments to a playboy model, he appears to be prepared to tell the special counsel that mr. trump knew about the infamous trump tower meeting with russians in advance.
if michael cohen tells that version of events and if he could prove it, it could turn out to be the game changer, even for members of mr. trump's own party. >> is michael cohen lying? >> for more than a year, president trump and his surrogates have denied that he knew of the june 2016 meeting with kremlin-connected agents at trump tower that included his son, his son-in-law, and his then campaign chairman, who is now behind bars. >> no, i didn't know anything about the meeting. >> do you tell your father anything about this? >> no. it was such a nothing, there was nothing to tell. >> the president said he became aware of it very recently, right before this came out, and that's when he was notified. >> and just this week, the president repeated, i did not know of the meeting with my son. sounds to me like someone is trying to make up stories in order to get himself out of an unrelated jam. that someone? the president's former personal lawyer and fixer, michael cohen, who is floating himself as a
possible witness, making it clear he is willing to tell special counsel robert mueller that mr. trump knew about and approved of the meeting beforehand. >> this is about truth versus lying, and ultimately donald trump is going to be done in by the truth. >> cohen is under investigation for bank fraud and possible campaign finance violations by federal prosecutors in new york city, who are examining his role in mr. trump's campaign as well. on tuesday, he released this tape through his lawyer, which appears to reference a hush money payment two months before the election to keep a former playboy model quiet about an alleged affair with mr. trump. >> we'll have to pay something. >> and we'll pay with cash. >> no, no, no, no, no. i've got -- no, no, no. >> just months ago mr. trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani, praised cohen. >> the man is an honest, honorable lawyer. >> but now -- >> he's been lying all week. he's been lying for years. he's lied all his life. >> mr. trump is desperately trying to keep the russia issue from consuming his presidency. just 26% of voters approve of his handling of the relationship
between the united states and russia. secretary of state mike pompeo was grilled this week even by skeptical republicans after mr. trump's two-hour private meeting and press conference with russian president putin. >> it's the president's public statements that create concern amongst senators on both sides of the aisle. >> some of these statements actually achieve important policy outcomes for the united states of america. >> some of them do. >> yes. >> and some of them are very damaging. >> and now mr. trump is ducking questions from the press more frequently, refusing to answer questions ten times since the release of the michael cohen recording on tuesday night. >> mr. president, will you go to moscow? >> let's get more insight into this relationship between the president and michael cohen. i'm joined now by sam nunberg, he was a political advisor to president trump before and then again during the 2016 campaign. welcome to "meet the press." >> it's an honor. >> so let's start with this. just a simple question, right,
which is you've seen these two interact quite a bit, president trump. help us understand the relationship between president trump and michael cohen. >> michael was one of the closest people i've seen with the president, highly devoted to him, a sense of loyalty that i thought, at least, until this week when i learned that he was taping him in person, a sense of loyalty that was, yes, he would take a bullet for him. he would do anything for him. >> and is it your sense that michael cohen basically just handles things? is that -- when you hear the term fixer, the president has a problem he handles them? is that how he was known around trump tower? >> yes. this was in michael's purview. issues like this were. these are michael's responsibilities. >> i want to play an excerpt of the tape that michael cohen's legal team released. here it is. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. >> yeah. >> you know, so that i'm going to do that right away. i've actually come up and i've
spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with -- >> so what are we gonna do? >> -- funding. >> that exchange, i know you weren't there for it. i'm not going to sit there and assume you were there for it. familiar, though, that style of exchange, back and forth between the president and michael cohen? >> once again, the idea michael was taping him in that office, when i heard that i felt like i was in the 26th floor of trump tower. remember, they never consummated this transaction so there's no idea there is an fcc violation. yes, these sound like the conversations you would hear in private. >> you said michael cohen was very loyal and devoted -- >> right. >> -- to mr. trump. did you ever see mr. trump be loyal to him? >> ultimately, i felt that he wasn't. i sympathize with michael. i understand the way michael feels. i have felt like that. with that said, chuck, with somebody like me who has defended michael publicly, when he takes lanny davis out of the
clinton crypt and decides to start talking about watergate releasing these tapes, it's a bridge too far. >> are you saying you no longer count yourself as a friend of michael cohen? you did just a couple of days ago you did? >> no, he is a friend of mine. i like him personally. once again, i feel bad for what his family is going through. but vis-a-vis his professional relationship with the president, it's highly unethical, if not -- if not getting disbarred for what he did. >> who's telling the truth? >> in terms of? >> who's telling the truth here? whose word should we take here, michael cohen intimating what the president knew about these various payments or the president's word that he knew very little about it all? >> but there was no payment. but let's say we hear this conversation, but ultimately if you're asking me who do i believe, the president or michael cohen with what michael cohen may say, for instance, what michael cohen says now that the president knew about the russia meeting in advance, i would believe don jr. and the president in light of learning that michael was taping conversations, the way michael was conducting himself behind
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anything illegal vis-a-vis the trump org and this goes to michael's private businesses which the president gave him the latitude to conduct in trump org i don't think they should have and perhaps they even knew then or suspected he was taping conversations with the president. >> why do you think the president didn't want to offer him a pardon? >> i don't think the president has obstructed this investigation. he understands now that he cannot fire robert mueller, he cannot fire jeff sessions, he cannot fire rod rosenstein because that would go down the watergate model and that's what they're going down to ultimately get his impeachment. >> michael cohen ever tell you who knew about this trump tower meeting? >> remember, i was fired in 2015. i had not been in trump tower. i was sued earlier -- >> right, i understand. then you were brought back and forth. you've had a weird relationship in trump world. >> i never discussed this with michael or anyone, by the way, about the meeting after it was reported. what i did say, what i did say was when i saw that statement that was given initially to "the
they have not -- trust me, donald trump knew he was under the limelight. he had -- you know, he had a contract with nbc. everything that was done was on the up and up. that's what i believe, at least. >> all right, sam nunberg, i appreciate your coming in and sharing your views and helping me out. thank you very much. now, let me turn to the elected side of things. joining me now is republican senator rob portman of ohio who sits on the foreign relations committee and was one of the senators who grilled secretary of state mike pompeo this week on the trump/putin relationship. senator portman, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> chuck, good to be on with you again. >> let me start with the michael cohen situation, because he is now contradicting something that donald trump jr. said under oath to congress. whether it was under oath or not, lying to congress is a crime. donald trump jr. told the judiciary committee that he did not tell his father about anything of the trump tower meeting before or after. michael cohen apparently is
contradicting him. should michael cohen be called before the judiciary committee and clear this up, sooner rather than later? >> i think the mueller investigation is probably the place this should be cleared up. but, you know, that's up to the judiciary committee. >> if this is something that -- let me ask you this. you as a republican senator, would you want to see the judiciary committee sort of clean this up since they have gone down this road, or you would say punt? you would tell senator grassley your advice would be leave it alone? >> well, i think it's going to be a he said/he said issue so i think it's probably better that this goes through the regular process, which is ongoing, chuck. i think the mueller investigation ought to be brought to an end also. i mean we need to have the facts lead to the right conclusion and so i support the investigation, i have from the start, but we do need to wrap it up and, you know, i'm not an expert on michael cohen, never met the guy. i have been on the judiciary committee, i haven't been
i was there for practically the entire hearing and it lasted several hours. what i liked about it is that he laid out very clearly and consistently what our issues are with russia, the fact that we continue to have policies in place that are very tough, tougher, frankly, than the previous administration, toughest sanctions since the cold war. we're arming the ukrainians, which is something as you know i pushed the obama administration and the trump administration on. we're finally doing it so they can defend themselves. we just gave them another $200 million. we're sending more troops to europe. we're doing exercises in eastern europe, not making the kremlin happy. and we're pushing back in other ways. we talked about the global engagement center, which pushes back on disinformation and propaganda coming from russia, which i think is long overdue and i commend secretary pompeo because he put that in place and is using it aggressively. so chuck, it's interesting, there are concerns, as i expressed after helsinki, of an inconsistent public posture as to russia, but in terms of policy, i think the administration is doing things
that we were not going to be prepared to have those discussions. so let's be prepared. look, i supported talking to north korea as long as we were prepared. of course we should talk to them. we are two superpowers and have nuclear weapons and need to talk. if you're going to ending up with a better relationship, it's only going to happen about being consistent and clear and realistic about the issues between us. >> you asked an important question to secretary pompeo when you said how come the sanctions seem to be working, it hasn't changed russia's behavior. you want more sanctions. why do you think it hasn't worked, is it the president's rhetoric? >> well, it's a great question because we do have unprecedented levels of sanctions, certainly since the cold war, and we're talking about increasing those, which actually i support. but my question was very simple, which is they haven't backed off in terms of the illegal annexation of crimea. they haven't backed off in terms of what they're doing on the eastern border of ukraine, which is a hot war, as you know. they haven't backed off in terms of supporting the murderous assad regime.
so are the sanctions effective or not? now, some would say they have been effective to get the kremlin's attention but they obviously have not resulted in the kind of actions and reactions that we would expect. so my question is how can we more effective and targeted in the sanctions. my sense is, chuck, that the better way to approach this is to actually go after folks in russia who are influential, including some of the oligarchs who support president putin and really to be more effective in targeting those sanctions. but i am interested in hearing back from the secretary for my question. >> let me ask you -- i want to move to the supreme court. i know we'll begin -- start the confirmation process beginning. there's a bit of a fight over what papers in the archives should be there. democrats believe republicans are asking for a limited amount, only looking at brett kavanaugh's time in the white house counsel's office. since brett kavanaugh himself has talked about his time as staff secretary in the white house, that that's important too. shouldn't the answer be release all the papers of his time in the bush administration?
>> well, i've served with brett in the bush administration. by the way, incredible guy, humble, a good listener, compassionate. i think he's going to do very well at the hearing. as you've probably seen in some of these poll numbers in some of these states that are red states where you've got a democratic senator, he's very popular. people want to see him confirmed. so i think in the end he will do very well. in terms of the issue on document production, it ought to be documents that are relevant. in other words, when you're staff secretary, which was his job, there are millions of documents literally that go through your office. you're the gatekeeper, you're the traffic cop. it's not substantive. so i think when he was associate counsel to the president certainly. his 200 opinions are important so those are the relevant documents. but to go on a fishing expedition into millions of documents that he had nothing substantive to say about i think would be a mistake. frankly, it's not in the democrats' interests to do that because it's going to postpone this even closer to the election, which i'm not sure that they want. >> rob portman, republican
senator from ohio, i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you for coming on and sharing your views, much appreciate it. >> thanks, chuck. thanks for having me on again. when we come back, the panel and what the breakdown with the trump/cohen relationship could mean for the russia investigation and the future of the trump presidency. and it turns out another employee of president trump's may pose an even bigger threat to the president. (vo) why are subaru outback owners always smiling? because they've chosen the industry leader. subaru outback holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class, according to alg. better than rav4. better than grand cherokee. better than edge. make every adventure a happy one with subaru outback. get 0% apr financing on the 2018 subaru outback.
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crooked hillary's lawyer. gee, i wonder if they helped him make the choice. cohen versus trump, peggy noonan, what do you make of this? >> i thought it was very interesting when you said to sam nunberg, so, who's telling the truth here? i think his answer was more or less i think trump. do you know what i mean? could that be a fair interpretation? >> it felt like he put a lot of caveats in there. felt like there were a lot, well, on this -- yeah. >> one of the things i'm curious about is where the heck does this go? you have a sense, as you watch the story, that more tapes will come, more testimony, more this, an e-mail, whatever, and we'll find out, yes, the president kind of knew about the trump tower meeting. someone wanted to share information against hillary clinton. he said sure, let me know how it goes. if that is true, where does that get you? what is our end point there? that doesn't prove criminality. it proves poor judgment. it proves a lack of
sophistication within his campaign organization. normally these russians would come in off the street and meet with extremely low-level people, not top level -- oh, my gosh, it's out of a daniel silva novel, it's so unsophisticated. >> that's high praise. >> which is what i keep -- yeah, it is high praise. but that's what i keep thinking of it as. but still if the moment comes where we find out trump knew about this meeting, what does that mean? >> you know, first of all, we've heard this kind of denial, right? so on air force one when he denied the payment to stormy daniels and then giuliani comes out and we realize he's lying. so he lies a lot, donald trump. so to ask who's telling the truth between cohen and trump is like asking who's the more trustworthy in the mob, right? sammy the bull or this guy. that's not really the issue. the issue is the evidence, that's the question, the evidence. what is being put on the table here. and what i think cohen's tape
reveals is intent. and the difficult part about the collusion claim is the intent claim. and if there's intent here, then which the tape suggests, then we have a stronger case around collusion. >> i talked to a few republicans this week who the combination of the disastrous helsinki summit with this news, matthew, is starting to make capitol hill republicans very nervous. i'm sorry, senator portman, he didn't like those michael cohen questions. he didn't want -- he didn't want to have anything to say. there are a lot of other republican senators, they don't seem to be as ready to just take the president's side as they were even two weeks ago. >> they like the trump administration would rather like robert mueller go away. and i think cohen's claim that the president knew about the trump tower meeting is basically a message to robert mueller and saying that this claim, given the evidence, if he has any, which he has not produced to date, would help you, robert
mueller, in your construction of an obstruction of justice case against the president. that's where it seems to me the mueller investigation has been trending for some time. this would be another bullet point in that eventual report to congress where robert mueller would say, yes, the president interfered with this investigation. >> but from what we know of robert mueller, he either has evidence already to corroborate this. he will not be relying on michael cohen as a key witness. one has to think that a lot of people, people including in the trump orbit, say, look, this meeting took place one floor in trump tower away from where the president was at that time, the candidate trump was that day at that time. he then went to a fund-raising lunch with don junior. the possibility -- the probability that the son did not tell the father before or after this meeting or both is just so hard to believe, plus the two blocked phone calls, one before, one after, that the republicans on the house intel committee
would not let the democrats subpoena. so mueller either has those phone records and a lot of other corroborating information or not. if this is going to go any place, it's not going to rely on michael cohen. >> just a small thought. in a funny way, i think the cohen stuff and the meeting and the payoffs, check or cash for the playboy person, that has had a funny way of obscuring the really big story of the moment, which was helsinki, a two-hour meeting about which we know nothing. no american note takers. >> exactly. >> and then an obsequious and fawning for me as an american to watch embarrassing joint press conference with president putin. that is huge historic and scandalous. >> what about the mike pompeo hearing after? i was surprised that senator portman thought that secretary pompeo did so well. >> in fact for three hours almost unanimously the members,
republican and democratic and not just bob corker who's retiring, went after pompeo because not on a personal level, but because he was giving the party line pretty much and not explaining what happened in that two-hour meeting. and their fear is that he does not know, that mattis does not know, that no one knows what happened. and they are saying do not -- and that's what the leaders said to the president when they went and got him to postpone the return visit right before the midterms. they do not want him going into another private meeting. first of all, no president, especially one as unschooled in foreign policy, the kremlin is putting out that he agreed to a referendum on ukraine, the kremlin is giving us the readouts. we don't know -- >> i thought susan glasser put it well. she said for hours pompeo insisted that trump's tweets and incendiary comments were not the sum total of those policies, but it's a tough argument to make about a prickly boss. the policy has not changed, pompeo insisted, but the real question remains what the policy is in the first place. >> yes.
>> and in this sense the michael cohen news came as a relief, i think, to a lot of republicans. >> yes. >> it's the case that when the spotlight is on russia, when the spotlight is on michael avenatti and stormy daniels, the president's base rallies to him. i was struck by the week that donald trump was elected president, his personal favorability rating according to gallup was 36%. last month gallup asked the same question. donald trump's personal favorability rating was 36%. nothing changes. >> that's what i always say about every week. everything happens and nothing changes. i'm going to pause the conversation here. when we come back, the curious case of a woman named maria butina. was she a russian spy and could she be the key to a connection between the russians infiltrating the nra?
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where she had recently graduate with a master's degree in international relations from american university. on paper she was a student and a gun rights advocate known around campus for having pride in her homeland and defending russian interests in class discussions. at the same time, investigators claim she was a covert agent funded by alexander torshin, a russian oligarch, with close ties to the kremlin. at his urging, investigators say, she worked to gain access to american political operatives, conservative politicians and political groups, including the trump campaign and more importantly in this story the nra. joining me now is someone who has done a lot of reporting on butina and russian intelligence efforts in this area, michael isikoff, co-author of "russian roulette." of course a former colleague here at nbc news. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good to be with you. >> all right. you are facebook friends with maria butina. >> that's true. >> i know you did it for your reporting. >> yes. >> so how did you first discover her? >> i started hearing about her during the 2016 election as somebody who kept showing up at conservative political events,
cpac conferences, national prayer breakfasts, nra meetings, conventions. she met with nra leaders when they went to moscow and hosted them. and it struck a lot of people as odd. what is this woman doing here? she was extremely flirtatious. she tried to maintain contact with a lot of influential republican lobbyists, activists. she had this very close relationship with this guy, paul erickson, conservative activist in south dakota. but what really got my attention was the alexander torshin connection. alexander torshin, who you mentioned, was a deputy governor of the russian central bank. he was a close ally of putin. most importantly, he was under investigation by the spanish national police for money laundering. in fact he had these ties to this organized crime money laundering gang in spain. the spanish national police had him on wiretaps --
>> he was going to be arrested. >> they were planning to arrest him. he was referred to by the organized gang leader as el padrino, the godfather. they were all set to arrest him when he was going to fly in for a birthday party in majorca. he got tipped off and didn't go. all this time he's flying in and out of the united states with butina meeting with nra leaders and republican activists. >> so in the criminal complaint against her when they decided because they thought she was going to flee, i want to read this e-mail. it's a bit -- some rough english but it's in her words. it's an e-mail they put in there that essentially explains i guess what her plan was. it says here that she has discovered the central place and influence, and they refer to in the political party one meaning the republicans, plays the gun rights organization here is nra. the nra is the largest sponsor of the elections in congress as well as sponsor of the cpac conference and other events. again, a little broken english from her but this was all part of this plan.
it was an e-mail she sent to paul erickson. this was an infiltration plan. >> exactly. that was very savvy insight. the way -- the goal here was to change the republican party's attitude towards russia. traditionally hostile -- >> but it was sort of the john mccain view of russia is what they assumed all republicans were. >> and the way to do it was through the nra. who has more influence with republican members of congress especially than the nra. they spend more money, they're the most powerful special interest group. so the idea was butina sets up this russian gun rights organization to forge this alliance with nra members as a way of influencing the republican party. >> let's go back to paul erickson. >> yes. >> she's been now romantically linked with him. i guess they lived together in south dakota perhaps or shared some sort of -- >> right. apparently not totally willingly on her part but she felt this was part of her obligation and duty. >> she wrote this e-mail to him
at the time to sort of like ask him am i wording this correctly? it was sort of to get his -- is he witting or unwitting here? >> we don't know. >> there's good reason to believe he's under investigation himself by federal prosecutors, and i think one goal is to get her to flip on him about what he might know. but i do think torshin is the key. i think he's the ultimate target here. he's been sanctioned by the u.s. one other thing we should mention, remember, butina, for all the work she's doing, did one big service for the kremlin. july 2015 just a few weeks after trump announces his candidacy, he goes to freedomfest, this libertarian event in las vegas, and takes a question from the floor from butina. what would be his position on sanctions that are damaging both countries, and trump gives this full-fledged five-minute answer in which he says if i'm elected, you won't need sanctions. i know putin, i can get along
with putin. not a top issue in the republican political debate at the time but very important for the kremlin. they had him on the record saying he would roll back sanctions. >> you've been doing investigations a long time, a couple of decades now. let's raise up to 30,000 feet. we'll focus sometimes on the russia/trump angle or the nra. this larger investigation is going to be known as what? it looks to me like a russian infiltration campaign on all levels of the conservative movement on this country. is that what happened? >> that's exactly what seems to be happening. this was every much as part of the russian influence campaign as the cyber attacks, the phony facebook ads, the twitter bots, all of that. i've got to say just one thing -- >> i know you have a hobby horse. i'll let you go. go. >> dereliction of duty on congress' part. why every major political scandal in the last half century, watergate, iran contra, you name it. public hearings by the congress, key witnesses testify under oath before the tv cameras. none of that has happened here.
all behind closed doors, including butina by the way. we should be seeing these witnesses. they should be hauled up. grassley and feinstein could call michael cohen up tomorrow, subpoena him, have him testify in public. >> don't let lawyers spin. let's see it for ourselves. it's a good point to end on. michael isikoff, thanks for coming on. good work, sir. don't forget his book, "russian roulette." when we come back, the democrats big blue midwestern wall came crashing down on them in 2016. are we seeing signs it's being rebuilt?
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no one had gotten that close since ronald reagan in 1984. now, president trump's success in those midwestern states was fueled by his appeal with rural and working class voters. now new nbc news/marist polls show him slipping in the midwest. president trump's approval rating in those three states michigan, wisconsin and minnesota, deep underwater. he did not break 40% in any of those states and his disapproval is above 50% in all of them. this could be as much about tariffs, by the way, as it is about his overall job performance. tariffs are hitting those three states particularly hard. of course the president has two more years to make up for those numbers, but the midterm election is just 100 days away. republicans are facing uphill battles in elections for the house, senate and for governor. in fact in our poll voters in each of those states say they prefer democrats over republicans in this year's congressional races. and guess what, these states have a lot of big races to watch this fall. they're home to nine republican
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difficult race. do you think they want donald trump campaigning for them? >> is it depends on where they live. the closer they are to a city or a suburb, the less likely they are you want the president to connell mcsha come campaign for them. he is less likely to cede to his opponents. i think he plans to take an active role in the mid terms. make the argument as it already is of the mid terms about him and the truth is that may actually lead to a republican advantage because the big danger for the republicans is, one, those never hillary moderates vote democrat, but two, the trump base doesn't show up. and his presence may actually inspire them to vote if he national eyes national izes the election. >> it's interesting, it does seem to be this intensity issue on the left and the right, less on the left, the trump intensity, gulf in the middle. right independents look like
democrats. >> it might be the tariffs. that so-called blue wall that didn't appear, collapsed for clinton, tariffs are hurting farmers, soy prices are down, wheat. end of october they'll see prices and other industries around them. john deere and others are all going to be affected by this. i was interviewing pat toomey from pennsylvania. with steel and aluminum, we have so many more manufacturing jobs that rely on the price of steel and aluminum than the steel woerkers. he's against them as are other republican senators. >> i just spoke to a government official in south dakota who said we're worried about our farmers here. however, one number we haven't said this morning 4.1% -- >> said it at the beginning of the show. >> all right, at the beginning of the show. but in this conversation here. you know, i know it's only one quarter. we had the last such quarter in 2014. but the white house made the most of it when people hear 4.1%
growth, maybe we're on target for 3% this year. people have a little more money in their pockets. consumer confidence is up. taxes are down slightly. when you've got all that, that's going to have an impact, too. >> it's a big bumper sticker. >> apart from tariffs, there is a certain amount of economic push up that's going on. >> perhaps wages have still flat lined. what's interesting to me is it's not so much the middle. it's those new voters, those folks that you don't ordinarily count. so you have an excited democratic base, folks who are motivated because of trump. and then you have folk that usually don't show up, usually don't show up to vote. was yo cortez was interesting not because she was a democratic socialist. it's who she got to the polls. 40% of georgia, many don't vote. her job is to get them out. >> that's a big job, getting them out. >> it's important. matthew, i want you to comment
on something else, the koch network has been having a meeting this weekend. wow, i want to put up this quote from brian hooks, president of the koch foundation. the divisiveness the white house is causing long-term damage. when in order to win on an issue someone else has to lose, it makes it difficult to unite and solve the problems of this country. there was even some hints among some at the koch network meeting. you know what, maybe this partisan strategy isn't working. >> the kochs are philosophical libertarians greatly opposed to the tariffs andrea mentioned as well as to some elements of more hawkish republican policy donald trump embraces. it wouldn't surprise me there would be a lot of criticism at this meeting. this argument about the future of the conservative movement, where libertarians fit in, those moderate suburban republicans. the backbone of george w. bush coalition, are they still republicans? these are all questions that are going to be sorted out in the next two years. >> yes, and in the two years
beyond that. this is all evolving. >> we'll see how it plays out, if trump plays the culture war card. >> i don't know if the young people are going to come out, the new voters you're talking about are going to come out. productivity is platflat. that 4.1 is a a great number now. >> all right. finally before we go, we have a little anniversary to celebrate today. as i mentioned earlier one of us at this table is celebrating 40 years at nbc news. she's appeared at "meet the press" 211 times, not including today. >> joining me for our interviews, andrea mitchell, white house correspondent for nbc news. >> andrea mitchell of nbc news. >> nbc news chief correspondent foreign affairs. >> should clarence thomas take a polygraph test? >> senator, you said what you're for. >> with all due respect, gentlemen, there is a perception out there people in power, particularly in congress here washington, are a closed club. >> ms. mitchell, take a look at the e-mail trails. >> i cover the state department.
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7:00 which means we have the great music starting to play at 7:00. but you still continue to get some special debate preview coverage from alary mel ber, "the beat" starts right now. good evening, ari. >> good evening, chuck. we'll be watching. big night for you and for the country. i am ari melber here live this evening from miami. thrilled to be with you. we with three hours away from the first democratic debate of 2020 where the candidates face off on their vision,ed border crisis and the return of robert miller as house democrats announce he will publicly testify before congress july 17th. this reignites the party's clash over obstruction and whether to open an impeachment probe. tonight voters are likely to see the democrats internal battles over this issue because while nancy pelosi and most of the house caucus do not back impeachment, of the ten candidates debating tonight, seven do back impeachment hearings. many see the push from mueller's
public testimony as the last effort to make that happen. >> i have called on the house to initiate impeachment proceedings. >> i would support impeachment proceedings beginning now. >> i believe this president should be impeached. >> we have a moral obligation now to investigate this president. >> that's the last straw. they should begin impeachment proceedings. >> no president, not donald trump or anyone else is a king. >> we have to hold those responsible accountable and the only method we can doing that is for our representative in congress to begin impeachment proceedings. >> that's what the debate sounds like. a preview of what may come tonight. a big issue. i'm joined by joakim castro supporting his twin brother julian. he bes on the intelligence committee. i'm joined by michael steele and aisha moodie mills.
>> good to be with you. >> first question to you, is it important that bob mueller testify before your committee? what do you want to hear from him and will it come up tonight? >> it's absolutely critical he testify. he put his report out. there are a lot of americans that have not read the report or sought out the report. i see this as part of the process. him coming in front of the intelligence committee and the judiciary committee to tell us about the report and for me, i'm specifically looking at the ten instances of obstruction of justice that he laid out against the president because i think that's most likely to be the subject of an impeachment inquiry. >> do you think that will be a point of distinction on the stage tonight and tomorrow? >> perhaps. i don't know where everybody is in terms of open ing an impeachment inquiry. there may be various opinions over there. in congress, i've said we should open an impeachment inquiry. there's a greater cost to the country of doing nothing. a greater cost to the rule of law of not opening impeachment inquiry. i hope we do have a lively debate on that.
>> let me push you on one more thing. this is as you and others emphasized it's about facts, the criminal evidence against donald trump and what if anything congress wants to do about it. there's also politics here. do you hope given your position that more 2020 candidates tonight and tomorrow will push for this? because you don't even have right now a majority of your caucus agreeing with you on starting an obstruction impeachment probe? >> i hope they will. i'm a member of the intelligence committee and i sat through dozens of interviews where the information came out a lot that the bob mueller did. this is about standing up for our democracy and rule of law. i absolutely hope that our candidates will be for opening inquiry. >> should i ask you who you hope wins tonight? >> i there you know the answer to that. i'm glad to be in the audience and not on the stage. >> aisha, take a listen to bob mueller himself offering the explanation for why this is had to be what adam schiff
characterized last night as an you be friendly subpoena but also what provides i think pause to some democrats what you're going to get from him. take a look. >> i hope and expect this to be the own time that i will speak to you in in manner. we chose those words kerr there and work speaks for itself. and the report is my testimony. does that give democrats some pause for what they're going to get out of this hearing? >> well, i think it would be interesting if he actually got up there and opened up his entire report and just started reading from and said why don't you go to section 2, page blah, blah, blah. i think it doesn't really matter because having him in his own voice, whether he is reading verbatim what he already wrote or having a new conversation explaining what he wrote is what the american people need to see. they need to understand methodically what's going through his mind in a way that themselves reading it is never going to give us the full energy
of that. if it's just forcing him to say like i said on page 932, the fact he in his own voice is saying it will be a powerful visual for us to hold on to. >> michael steele, i'm curious what you think about how this all plays out. understand washington. but claims mot to have a been completely corrupted by it. >> i have not been. >> here we are in miami and it's easy to get distracted by the next thing. bob mueller's remergence clearly hangs over tonight and tomorrow night's debate. donald trump doesn't like other people upstaging him on television. >> all of that is true. for the candidates tonight and tomorrow, it will be a matter of how do they contextize this whole emerging story with mueller, this new emerging story with mueller. certainly against what we already know. for the president, however, this is a moment where again, he doesn't want to the necessarily share the limelight. but this will be one of his pimp my tweet moments where he's going to get out and going at it
all over the place. what the american people have to understand and appreciate that this is not that moment. for the first time we're going to actually hear the man deliver in his own words what he wrote. isn't bob barr contextizing and telling us what to think and feel about what it is we've read or understand. it is about mueller himself putting not just his experience on the line but giving us the new abses. that's going to come out in questioning i think. for the democrats and because we know the republicans will play you know, build the wall around trump. we know that. but for the democrats this is not about the gotcha. this is about explanation and digging into the essence of why mueller did what he did and why he didn't do some of the things he should have. >> why he didn't do say he should have and a lot of people say it's substantial evidence in five or more incidents of the crime of obstruction, then why did it end in a way that left so much i think good faith and obviously exploited misinterpretation. can you get bob mueller, do you
think in this hearing, by you the royal you, your committees, to tell us what he meant by substantial evidence, did substantial evidence mean the president did bad things but at the end of the day, we don't do much with just evidence? we have a higher criminal standard when prosecutors -- or does substantial evidence mean, hey, hey, you're the sitting president. you repeatedly subverted the rule of law in a way that any other person would have been charged for. do you think you can get that answer out of mueller? >> i think we can get his understanding what that means. an important part as michael said is the back and forth and the questioning that will go on and even if he was just reading different parts, i think the questions will elicit significant and important pieces of this report in a way that you're just not going to get if you just throw a few hundred page report and say guys, go ahead and read it. >> do you think the chairs handled this well or should they have gotten him in front of the committee far earlier?
michael mentions the bill barr of it all. a lot of americans have the vague sense that this is sort of past. >> i think that both adam schiff, my chairman and jerry nadler have been very judicious and tried to follow legal processes. but i'm glad they finally have robert mueller coming to testify in a few weeks. >> okay. aisha take a listen to the president today who, and this is rare for him, seemed a little bit at a loss for a counterpunch on this issue. and sort of just said when will it ever stop. if you're not following this every day, when will it ever stop? it hasn't started, bob mueller barely speaks. take a look. >> will you try to block robert mueller from testifying? >> i don't know anything about it. i just heard. and my only response to mueller is does it ever stop? after all of these years and times and people, does it ever stop? this is a diversion. but i ask you this, does it ever
stop? >> so let's be really clear who he's talking to, to his audience at fox news so that's going to be the sound bite that the americans following him get where they're saying my god, this is going to be a witch hunt. will it ever stop. it's not him being at a loss of words. it's him doing good pr and spin. i have met three different people who were strangers who said i had no idea, one, what was actually in the mueller report that there was any question about whether trump did anything that had any impropriety to it. i never heard this before and two, i feel like this is kinds of over. why are we still talking about it. it's because of those talking points that become sound bites that his people see that he's using really thoughtfully that he's able to continue to own a lot of narrative and democrats aren't necessarily owning in the way they should. >> bill barr reminds me when it comes to the report and how he presented it to the country,
your teenage son who comes in at bhid night and you ask him how the evening went. said it's fine, dad, i had a little fender-bender and everything's fine. and you go out in the morning and the fender's gone. what someone tells you and what you see and hear is a big difference. for the first time, the differences are cleared out and you get to hear unobstructed what he thought, what he knows, how he perceived it and that threatens the president's narrative and what you're going to see while the president and fox and others are already starting to it out it, there's nothing here. when does this end, well, yeah. it doesn't end on the 17th. it actually begins because now the american people will be tuning in and listening and hearing for the first time. >> that goes to the final thing. when you look at tonight's debate, big picture, should your stance on impeaching donald trump and obstruction be a litmus test for the democratic party at this point given how
strongly people feel about the way the president has led and subverted the rule of law? is there consequence for that or to paraphrase, you remember debrat great female rapper talking about things being so funktified. there's a concern the democratic primary has become so funktified they need to move beyond and show a vision on that. >> my brother who is running for president said he wants to the start an impeachment inquiry. i don't know it should be a litmus test. even democrats have different opinions on that. democrats in congress have different opinions on it. but it is interesting to be able to question tonight the candidates about what it would mean to start an impeachment inquiry and also whether they believe it means upholding the rule of law and protecting our democracy. >> congressman, thank you for being here. as i say all you surrogates and all candidates good luck.
thank you for being here in big night. bien venidos. part of our live coverage. we have a lot more including a serious story obviously gripping the national conversation right now. the humanitarian crisis which is a very real issue and hangs over the debate. candidates visiting this facility where the trump administration continues to detain immigrant children amidst allegations of abuse and mistreatment. later my interview on this hour with a contender who is going on stage tonight, govern jay inslee. we'll talking to dnc chairman tom perez, plus a look how candidates are getting ready. cory booker is lifting weights. as i mentioned, a special look inside the debate hall and why debates matter. i'm ari melber. you're watching an the beat's
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this time. >> that's senator elizabeth warren today protesting what is the nation's largest facility right now under the trump administration's policy detaining migrant children. over 2,000 are there, hole stead, florida, 35 minutes from where we are right now where the debate stage she will march on tonight. we expect that to be a possible top pick. amy klobuchar there also. immigration is what everyone has been talking about this week in the nation including spur bid this heart breaking image. warning, this is graphic. oscar alberto ramirez seen with his 23-month-old daughter valeria drowned as they were crossing are the rio grande river, a brutal danger of the dangerous the families face. pete buttigieg will be on the stage saying this. >> there are no words for -- there are no words. this is supposed to be the greatest country in the world. and the shocking thing is that
part of what makes that possible is fear. as if we have something to be afraid of from a child fleeing violence. >> i'm joined by alicia menendez co-host of amanpour p and company and chief voccing officer for. >> raises. a non-profit group that provides legal services to immigrants right heres in texas. given the work you're doing with araices and another americans getting a another view of this, thesigration debates have been going for i long time but the photograph, the inability of the administration to say words out loud saying why they want to deny children so, blankets. walk you through your views of what should matter on the debate stage tonight. >> we're seeing what had already
been seen in previous administrations for schurz. we have seen a record number of deaths and children being imprisoned. you can't call it otherwise. we are seeing that there's more and more people who are dying at the border but also dying in actual hands of border patrol agents. so detention centers are blowing up with people that they're exceeding numbers of people in detention. and what i would hope is that we get on the stage a statement from every candidate who are actually acknowledging what was happening also under an obama administration who created this machine that was handed over to trump so that he could make it even bigger and stronger. i don't want any more obama type of actions on immigration and i really hope that folks today can address that and that it will be a different type of environment. >> are you saying they are the same or merely this built on a
blueprint? >> i would say that you know, that we always say it is that obama created a big, strong immigration enforcement machine that was taken by trump and that was made even bigger. right? so to me or to us in the immigrant communities really trying to figure out what are they going to do different? how are they going to stop detention of immigrants, how are they going to stop the treatment of children in this way at the border and how are we going to solve the problem? people are fleeing for a reason. what are they doing to solve the problem and not re-creating another you know, like i said obama was a democrat and today we have a democratic debate. >> elisia, she makes a nonpartisan point and this comes up often with executive power. if all you say is you might trust the person you like more with a war power or a detention power or a have an aggressive deportation approach, what happens when someone takes it
over and goes even further? what do you think the democrats need to do on this issue tonight. >> i want to say someone like erica has been ringing the alarm going back as long as i have been following this issue. a lot of people did not follow her lead and think it would lead us here. part of what you're going to see on the debate stage tonight are candidates who have proposals, only two on the stage. julian castro was the first out the door with it, came out with it in april. the big thing there is it decriminalizing it crossing of the u.s./mexico boarder. bet taupe o'rourke has a plan. there are some differences between their plans but both largely comprehensive. tomorrow night we'll hear from kamala harris who has a plan. the big thing i'll hear from advocates is a question of priority. it's one thing to say this is going to be the number one, number two issue in my
administration and in a tight rope for democrats to walk especially when they see the polling numbers that people are most upset about the economy and affordability and know you how to prioritize an issue like this. >> the democratic's first debate is here in florida, what does that say. >> florida is must win for republicans. democrats have a pathway to victory that does not run through florida. but if you want to win florida as a democrat, you need to make sure you are winning the latino vote in florida. there's no one latino voter in florida. there are a lot of people directly impacted by immigration, immigration enforcement, people who live in communities affected by it see it as an attack on community at large. there are venezuelans for whom venezuela is a major issue. puerto ricans for whom the recovery is a major issue. there's no one silver bullet message that breaks through to all. >> as you're both speaking, viewers may see something you don't see something behind you,
the security, the scrum, the media. we saw the dnc chairman doing a live press conference and we have a candidate about to join our program. that's what folks may be seeing behind you for context. when you look at these two nights, do you see something that comes out of it that moves the democratic party? because are you someone saying if i hear you right, you don't think enough of the democratic party certainly not the biden/obama wing as you see it is where you want them to be on this issue and on what is becoming a humanitarian crisis. people are saying whatever our level, you let in x number or x times two number people. what do we do with human rights and due reinforce to these people when you look at that photograph, are we doing as a nation everything we can to honor those people's right to ultimately whether or not they are turned away which every country does tend to turn away some people. >> here's the thing. it's triggering for me when i hear the first thing out of a candidate as a mouth i want
comprehensive immigration reform. yes, we need a path to citizenship for people but it has become really an outdated solution in a way and to us, what i want to hear what, are they going to do as a priority for immigration. there's so much they can doing through the administrative you know, part of the government which is the president can do a lot. to be able to first come into office, what and i going to do in my own power as a president to make sure we do give relief to dreamers beyond what is there now. what we can do to make sure we are closing detention centers, all these things done at the border can be done by the president but it's a matter figuring out how they can start this process without just talking points. >> i appreciate your details. this is one of those stories that it comes and recedes and comes back to what are we doing
as a nation when we see children being mistreated in the custody of the united states government, when we see those photos we've seen. are they doing everything possible or not in that's an accounting i expect. but i expect it to come up tonight. thanks to you both. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much, ari. >> look who is about to walk on the stage here, candidate for office, governor jay inslee. come on out here. i'm going to show everyone you're here. i appreciate you being part of our show tonight before you do the debate. >> good to see you. >> i want to sit down and say we'll be back in 30 seconds. >> all right. >> all right, sir. 0 seconds. >> all right >> all right, sir.
r.a.i.s.e. r.a.i.s.e.s. ten candidates will be clash at this first debate tonight. they are some of the party's most famous names like elizabeth warren but lesser known figures. washington governor jay inslee. seven out of ten democrats say they've never heard of him. but here's the thing about debates. that could change in a few hours tonight when he takes the stage for an event where a lot of democrats are watching. his walk ow through was earlier today. looking casual. he's running as the green candidate. hit the trump administration on that issue today after touring the everglades. >> mike pence said we now have the cleanest air in the world, that there's nothing to worry about from pollution in fossil fuels. wake up and smell the carbon
dioxide, mike. >> and as i've mentioned in this broadcast, this is a rarity but it's happening. jay inslee doing an interview right before tonight's debate. a beat exclusive. thank you for being here. >> thanks for bringing truth to america. >> i like that. so look, most candidates don't even do interviews in the few hours before. we get the benefit. i think it's fascinating. what's in your mind right now? >> a couple things. i want the story of florida that's being inundated with sea level rise which is also the story of our hometown and mine of seattle which is climate change is ravaging my state. forest fires have given us the worst quality in the world. we have to make the climate crisis the top priority of the united states. >> do you pivot if you get a question about something else and that's your priority? you'll run to that issue? >> not necessarily. i'm hopeful we have climate change questions. i've got a second story.
i'm a governor that's succeeded. i've got the highest minimum wage. we had the greatest teacher pay increase in the united states. i've passed the very first public health option in the united states. speeches are great. plans are great. accomplishments are even better. i've got a boat load of them in washington state. >> let me press you on that. in any other cycle, some of these governors, yourself included would be and i don't say the this in a rude way, but would be taken somehow more seriously by the elites. maybe it doesn't matter because the elites are wrong all the time. what's going on this cycle? we've got a whole point how this doesn't matter much. you see biden and bernie sanders polling and you, tulsi gabbard, amy klobuchar, cory booker around the 1 or two-point mark. is that because people are so hungry for folks who haven't been in government. >> i think what it is the centralization of the news
industry. basically people are now watching washington, d.c. not with real progress is which is washington state. >> i think what you're saying is i see your problem and it's your fault. >> but you're doing a great job at it. >> that's a fair point. you're here on the show. we take people from up and down and don't discripnate based on the polling. but the dnc kick out other governors. do you think they should be on the stage. >> i think steve bullock should have been on the stage. this is what campaigns are for. i'm an underdog. i've always been an underdog and beat a lot of republicans being an underdog. i'm more bill clinton and jimmy carter about this stage. seven out of ten americans never heard my name. tonight when they hear a person who is going to prioritize climate change and had one of the most spectacular progressive records in the united states, i'm the guy who stood up to you donald trump on the muslim ban and sued him successfully 22 times. i'm the guy that's got the first long-term elder care program and
the first net neutrality law in the united states. i'm happy to share that information with people. >> let me ask you something else. when first heard that news alert or however you heard it, bob mueller's back, bob mueller is going to come and testify publicly whichize never done since he became special counsel, for your campaign, did you think i don't care, old news? did you think that's good as an accountability moment or did you think, be honest, gosh these house democrats are stepping on our debate? you want to talk about green jobs and the future. is that backward looking. what was your reaction. >> congress should do its job. it should have full inquiry from any witness who has information. i do believe the impeachment issue has become inevitable. >> meaning? >> time to start an impeachment inquiry in my view. >> when you say inevitable, you mean pelosi and the drazs will co -- >> this president left us no choice. he lies to the american people on things big and small.
there are many things he's lied about. the fact he told us the air is clean and climate change is not a problem, there's a lot of lies that are destructive. that's one of them. >> when you hear joe biden say he needs more time, is he wrong on that or you get where he's coming from? >> i've had a bellyful that the constitution is in doubt. we have to show america to get to the bottom of what can happen. i think having an impeachment inquiry can help that occur. >> we've done a lightning round before. can you handle do it face-to-face in miami. >> you know all my secrets. that might be tough. >> in a sentence or less, jay inslee wins tonight's debate if. >> people understand i am the candidate, the only candidate who say this has to be the top priority of the united states which is defeating the climate crisis. >> these top 20 dems the one most likely to be on a jayince klee ticket if there were one is. >> can't say. it's not going to be two white fellows. i will tell you that. >> if you were the nominee, your
running mate will not look like you. >> we need diversity at the top of the ticket. >> yes. we're going to find a person who is qualified. there's a lot of quality in this field. i've already identified maybe eight or nine qualified to be vice president as a matter of fact. >> the most important issue tonight is? >> i view identifying someone who can be beat donald trump and i believe i have the best way to do that which is economic growth with the number one fastest growing job in america which is clean energy. >> when you see cory booker crush crushing those barbells, you think? what? >> he's quite a great football player. i'll do okay on the debate stage. >> governorince lee for a rare interview, thanks for making the time. it's a very busy night. appreciate it. still aheadings from rick perry's oops moment to unforgettable lines like where is the beef? why debates can matter so much and one-on-one with the man who
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welcome back to our live debate coverage out of miami. and i can tell you, i just came from checking out the stage and podiums inside the hall at tonight's debate. we were looking at lecterns. they're packed. any candidate can basically shake hands with their neighbor without leaving their position. while i was there, we saw a series of candidates come in and inspect the digs themselves. they get solo time to get a feel for the room and get comfortable. there were karnds, you can see warren walking through but some candidates skipped that option. cory booker dr a point of doing some weight lifting in a shirt and tie. you have every candidate figuring out their own personal style for prepping for what could be the biggest night of the campaign thus far. >> a lot of them are going to
work out today. beto o'rourke holding an event here in the miami area yesterday said listening is one of the keys for him. >> jay inslee, governor of washington draws. >> elizabeth warren, amy klobuchar's case putting policy into real life application. >> john delaborny going back and watching the 2016 republican debates to try to get some idea how to navigate a big crowded stage with multiple candidates on. >> aim klobuchar, we are told she spent time watching the 2016 republican primary debates. >> julian castro had an a two-comedians skype into his last prep session to help him work on any jokes he might try to use on the debate stage. >> i'm joined by the chairman of the democratic national committee tom perez. i don't know if you brought any comedians for your prep. >> no, i'll stick with the regular formula. >> what you have tonight is an bun dance of what you call
riches. >> absolutely. >> but also ten candidates is a lot. what have you done to insure it's fair and will there be equal time? >> we've worked from the outoutset to make sure fairness is our north star. we made sure we gave the candidates all of the rules of engagement back in february. we established unprecedented access to the debate stage by establishing not only a polling threshold but a grassroots fubd raising threshold. i don't think you can win the presidency without becoming an accomplished grassroots fund-raiser in 2020. >> that's you being practical and saying your party is not going to disfrom how expensive it is to run. >> absolutely. we made sure the grassroots had a voice. the notion you can invest $1 which is what the situation is now and be involved in the effort to get a candidate of your choice on debate stage, that is democratizing the process. so we took that effort and as
you know, we did random assignment for tonight and tomorrow. no jv varsity. we've got a deep bench. people will see there are multiple candidates they really like. i encourage people to date multiple candidates, speed date if you will. then fall in love and then what we have to do is fall in line behind whoever wins and what we've done is make sure that the process is fair to everyone so that those who don't make it are going to be enthusiasticing in milwaukee in a little over a year. >> now, you're enough of a political junkie that you may know there's one thing that max inwaters and ross perot have in common. do you know what it is? >> i have no idea. >> it's being dead serious about their time. maxine famously says reclaiming my time. >> right. >> people love that. perot at his debates would say can i finish? can i finish? he would brow beat the moderators which everybody knows are my colleagues to try to get extra time. everyone's seen that footage.
what does success look like to you, a great night where we meet the candidates but the big ones speak more or part of your measure tonight in conjunction with the co-hosts is equal time? >> we need to make sure every candidate as a fair opportunity to communicate their vision. i'm confident the moderators will do that. they're seasoned and talented. at the same time, you have to make sure that you don't lose the flow of the debate. and so if you're in the middle of something and you want to give that opportunity to finish so that voters can make their choice. >> 30 seconds for that follow-up. >> right. >> you know these guys and gals. you know them. >> it buts a premium on. >> a lot of viewers know them. >> it puts a premium on brevity. >> most don't do follow-ups in 30 seconds. >> but again, one of the things that is important about this is we set foorg these ruleses in advance. and the folks who will excel are the folks able to cut to the chase and articulate a vision
quickly and cogently. >> you think your rules are not only fair, they'll help the candidates sharpen and someone emerges who can beat trump. >> when i was doing a healthy dose of trial work, you would get a rebuttal opportunity in front of a judge and be told you've got three minutes. those where is usually my best three minutes. i had to cut to the chase. i had to get to the point and make that point very, very quickly. i'm confident, this is a good stable of candidates. it is a deep bench tonight and tomorrow. what i think the american people are going to see is the unity of values and then what he they're going to see is they really do like multiple candidates because the difference between the candidates and trump is 100% on all the critical issues. >> which you can argue is good for you. i'm going to remind you anytime we're running out of time in a tv interview of your comments today about the importance of brev night amen. always good to be with you. >> i know you're very busy. appreciate you making time to
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simple question, why does tonight's debate actually matter? well, it's obviously the first chance for these contenders to introduce themselves to voters around the country. right now most democrats say they only know a little about the candidates. that's a statistic that shows the stakes. but also broader research suggests primary debates have an especially large impact. so tonight it's not just about the political theatrics. but as a matter of raw politics and political science, we know early debates can define candidates and narrow the race. current trump administration official rick perry. before the debates, many saw him as a presidential front-runner. a resume like george w. bush. both texas governors. then vote serious saw him not only stumble but attack social security in a way that proved less popular outside of texas. >> it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years
old today, you're paying into a program that's going to be there. anybody that's for the status quo with social security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids. and it's not right. >> that didn't play well. perry dropped as voters heard from him directly and later debates hurt even more. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> i can't. and he couldn't because he dropped out of the race a few months later. we all know politics doesn't like a vacuum. space gets filled. for republicans it was primary debates that was igniting what filled the space because people got excited what they heard. the same cycle herman cain dismissed by his heart's leaders
found grassroots vote ares excited for the simple plans he unhave aed on the big stage. >> i have put my 999 plan on the table. we must grow this economy with a big solution which is why i proposed 999. it will pass. this is why we developed 999. >> kaine only surged after the debates. had he many other weaknesses. credible accusations of harassment, poor performance in business. the point is not whether a given candidate will go the distance but that the vote ares, you guys watch. you make up your minds regardless whether the elites or media think a candidate in the early stages "top tier." that's a lesson before anyone counts out lesser known candidates taking the stage this week. then of course of, another point to consider is the way skilled debaters can totally define an opponent on the big stage. sometimes dispatching rivals in ways that are more lethal than an attack ad or piece of mail.
back when gary hart was nursing a lead over mondale, he turned his experience over a newcomer that worked even if it was highly prepared. >> when i hearhim. >> when i hear your new ideas, i'm reminded of that ad, where's the beef? >> and what is beef? mondale was teeing off a pop culture reference of fast food ad. he was showing voters he was ready to handle any beef. again, the lesson is debates define everything. candidates over time and fundraising and attitude matters. but even in a political world this days that feels like it can turn on the latest tweet or hype, i want to tell you tonight is about what these candidates actually stand for and what voters, what you ultimately decide. dig into this point, i want to bring back rnc chairman michael steele. your thoughts on why tonight is different? >> no, you hit a home run and you framed it exactly right
there. is a lot that's going on beneath the surface here, and a lot of it has less to do with the candidates and more 20 do with the voters, who are tuning in. yes, they may be at their their beach property, they may be on vacation somewhere. and they're going to tune in with a beer in hand and size these men and women up. it won't be oh, should this person be the next president of the united states. it's what are they saying? what do they stand for? what are they thinking? how attractive are they? can i see them in the role? and that's the evolution that's going to take place over the next few day baits. tonight you'll see some guys or gals punch up. i think this is a waste of time. don't go after the front-runner. the person standing next to you is your problem at the moment. understand the space you're in, and look at that camera and forget about them and make this connection between you and those americans out there who are looking at you for the first time. >> i feel like you're saying be careful with any assumptions about who's ahead because the political life you save may be your own. >> right. may be your own, exactly. >> i want to show folks watching
this before we go a little what we were able to do today. i went out and the streets outside the debate hall in miami and got to talk to a bunch of different folks from yang, biden supporters, klobuchar, sanders. there was a lot of folks out here, as you can see. that's a 20-year-old biden supporter who says he wants to cast his first presidential vote ever for joe biden. and one of them was telling me that they already, to your point, michael, i didn't know you were going to say that, but you did. one of them told me they already shifted from being a kamala harris supporter to being a die-hard elizabeth warren supporter. take a look. >> elizabeth warren is my first choice. >> my first choice was kamala harris. but after listening to elizabeth talk, listening to our plans, i thought -- >> you shifted. you moved. >> i shifted. >> okay.
>> you ran a political party. how typical is that? and how much does that happen because of debates? >> that's very typical. and what's interesting and important about that, it happened before the debate. in other words, candidates out there having a conversation with voters is equally as important. that's why i tell voters and tell people polls don't really matter that much right now. it's that connection that the candidates are making with the voters that kind of moves the table, as it did for that particular voter. now what was interesting to your question, can you shift again, he said no. >> he said no? >> he said no. i bet you, i bet you starting tonight if someone stands up on that stage, elizabeth warren falters, or they get the best of her, it's going to cause him to rethink and reevaluate what he likes or doesn't like about her. what her strength is, ironically and interestingly enough is the policies. this election could actually be one in which policies dictate and drive a lot of where voters
ultimately settle down, beyond the likability of the candidate. we've done the cult of personality. that was trump. now the question becomes the substance of what you bring to the table, which is why an elizabeth warren/donald trump debate in the fall of next year gets really interesting, because there is only so much ducking you can do when you're getting hit on policy. and if that's what the voters want to side, a lot of times it's the activists who you know the term, influencers, activists are ones who friends come and say at least not maybe who should i vote for, but who are the two or three for real and take their word on that. i spoke to one young voter today who said he is all about yang. i said why. he said he is the only data-driven candidate. and i said that's probably true. >> it is. but you got to go beyond data driven. there is more to it than the data. so the question for someone like a yang, who no one has an idea about maybe beyond the tech space is how will you be president? how will you do the presidency?
now, let's not get caught up if well, donald trump can do it, anybody can do it. that's not the standard, folks. get that out you ever head. >> i don't want to take time from our special predebate coverage. michael, i'm going to leave it there now. one more thing before i toss to brian and nicole.
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