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Your catholicism is stronger than mine. >> do you suggesting -- >> do you agree with the pardon? >> are you suggesting these other people who were pardoned didnt do wrong things? lets go back through every one of the obama pardons. i think youd see -- there. >> are different levels and different issues. do you agree with the pardon just to get an answer? >> i dont agree with the timing of the pardon. i think he should have been sentenced. maybe he should have served some time. that would have be...

>> arguably. >> do you agree with the pardon just to get an answer? >> i dont agree at the timing of the pardon. think he should have been sentenced served some time. that would have been my preference. but as far as the actual pardon, probably would have didnt myself at some point, yes. >> jen saki, but you guys argument keeps coming up. you guys, you obama people you, pardoned lots of people. bad people. so, why should there be any outrage about what the new president is doing? what is your re...

Your private life and you dont talk about your religious life in your everyday affairs. so i think there is a hesitancy. there has been a lot of persecution of the church. i think people just are reluctant to talk about it. but i think if he talked about it, i think he would be more welcome and people would understand where hes coming from. its important for him to express his belief in jesus christ as his savior and people would understand that. >> hogan, i think thats an interesting point. sen...