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But there are elements of the negotiated path. >> the whole issue of nato, you know, where russia is coming from, isnt that a red herring. doesnt putin know that he is not going to be able to receive a commitment, whether it be from nato allies or the u.s. on whether ukraine would become a member or not? >> well, its a great question, fred, because the issue is, is he making the ask because he wants, you know, a lot of other concessions? he knows hes not going to get that one. but hes certainly ...

If the president gets to stonewall in the house and mcconnell gets to facilitate that stonewalling in the senate, so there is a trial that really has no firsthand knowledge based witnesses, then we dont have a trial at all. whether its a political process as doug suggests, which is correct or quasi legal practice which it also is. without real witnesses, its really just a bit of a sham. >> and, of course, margaret, that seems to be the impasse for nancy pelosi. whether or not it would become mor...