under oath. no. would you? it would be an utter disaster. can you see him taking an oath? he would confess to crimes that mueller wouldn t know about. you know, something else, and this is our country. thank you. this too shall pass. thank you for that insight. fear and loeathing in the west wing as omarosa releases more tapes today. waiting for the next shoe to drop. looks like the president s own family was trying to buy her off to keep her quiet. trump is using the power of his presidency to quiet her. where is paul ryan?
presidency. meanwhile, rudy giuliani spoke with axios. they report, quote, there are two topics the president s lawyers want to rule out in order to agree to a trump sit-down with mueller. one, why trump fired fbi director james comey. two, what trump said to comey about the investigation of former national security adviser michael flynn. tonight, bloomberg has also spoken to giuliani and also reports that those two topics are off limits. according to bloomberg, giuliani said, quote, if asked the president would tell the special counsel that he didn t urge comey to stop investigating flynn and didn t fire comey to cut off his investigation into russian interference in the 2016 campaign, but the president s personal lawyer said trump s advisers think mueller wouldn t believe him and would side instead with comey. this might explain the concern on the part of the trump legal team. here now a sample of his comments on michael flynn.
needs to set a perjury trap. his lawyers are right to say he shouldn t. he wants to testify. i think what s going on is his lawyers are making mueller an offer he can t accept. i don t think he can accept the offer and he will probably reject it and then the trump team can say see, we wanted to sit down with the president and mueller but it was mueller who said no. so that way the president gets what he wants, the legal defense team gets what they want, and mueller has to go to court and ask for the subpoena, which takes the case to court and takes the case away from needing a pre-election deadline that many democrats would like to see him meet. sandra: what do you think of the prospects that a sit-down will ever happen? i don t think it will happen. i think in the end there will be no sit-down. president trump will get on television and say i wanted to sit down but mueller wouldn t come up with terms that were
overall the majority of americans have clearly said that he should do so. and i think if rudy puts the stats at 50/50, that is where this is headed. we may see a spectacular battle reach the supreme court. on the subpoena. and there is suggestion that mueller doesn t want to see that kind of fight going to the supreme court on a subpoena that could take a long time. there is reporting that he brought it up to president trump s team and they balked at it and rudy guiliani said they would take it to court and would likely go to the supreme court and even though we have had presidents who faced subpoenas before, clinton faced a subpoena and then testified willing will. but sort of the mess of it and the constitutional crisis, this idea that maybe mueller wouldn t want to face that and if finally the courts ruled that he had to in fact testify and he still refused, what is the recourse at that point? is it sort of a contempt of court?
will come after a long period of time. and it will be after trump has been able to say look, i wanted to testify, but mueller wouldn t accept my deal. so that i think is what the strategy is all about. laura, is that how you see the strategy? i do see that in a combination of things. one, in the game of good cop and bad cop, it s all an act. neither one is actually trying to be accommodating. it s one about a public service campaign and publicity campaign and one feigning they actually want to be involved in the investigation. you know you have these midterm elections coming up. it s a doj policy not to try to interfere or influence an election result. and for most states do have the november election, there are states that have early election, including early voting in terms of september. so the clock for mueller not to be able to interfere is actually as early as september in some states. the caveat anderson, of course is running out the clock. the person who is the subject of th