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>> and im natalie morales. >> and this is "dateline. " >> something wasnt right at her house. i saw a lot of police cars. >> that woman was a fighter. she would never leave her daughters. she would never do it. >> michele ran the home. >> she was very proud about how she was able to make ends meet. >> lloyd helped with the kids. >> theyre wonderful girls. theyre amazing. >> the end came much too soon. >> shes motionless. and im concerned. >> there appeared to be a body hanging from a b...

>> something wasnt right at our house. i saw a lot of police cars. that woman was a fighter. she would never make her daughters, she would never do it. >> michelle ran the home. >> she was very proud about how she was going to -- >> law it helped with the kids. >> they had wonderful girls, amazing. >> the end came much too soon. >> she -- and im concerned. >> there could be a body hanging from the banister. from first look, it appears that it was a suicide. >> but then they looked clos...

>> theyre wonderful girls. theyre amazing. >> the end came much too soon. >> shes motionless. and im concerned. >> there appeared to be a body hanging from a banister. >> from first look it would appear as though it was a suicide. >> but then they looked closer. >> it appeared that there was a struggle. my gut was telling me theres something wrong here. >> did someone want michele dead? was someone else willing to help? >> at that point were shell-shocked. >> a bond forged in blood. >>...

There appeared to be a body hanging from a banister. From first look it would appear as though it was a suicide. But then they looked closer. It appeared that there was a struggle. My gut was telling me theres something wrong here. Did someone want michele dead . Was someone else willing to help . At that point were shellshocked. A bond forged in blood. Did you cry . We called it the lie and cry conversation. Betrayed by blood. What are you hoping for . Some conversation between the two of them ...

hanging from a banister. >> from first look it would appear as though it was a suicide. >> but then they looked closer. >> it appeared that there was a struggle. my gut was telling me theres something wrong here. >> did someone want michele dead? was someone else willing to help? >> at that point were shell-shocked. >> a bond forged in blood. >> we called it the lie and cry conversation. >> betrayed by blood. >> what are you hoping for? >> some conversation between the two of them abou...

Making thanksgiving dinner for the needy at their local church. >> it would be really odd to have thanksgiving at home, just us, and not be here. thanksgiving is celebrating with the community, giving back. >> michele had met lloyd in high school. her mom jeannie remembers a teenage boy who was smitten from the first date. >> i think she thought he was intelligent and she could have intelligent conversations with him. >> so maybe a peg above the other kids in the schoolyard or her circle? >> yes...

On the case. >> the medical examiner determined it to be a homicide, not a suicide. >> my god. >> and in conjunction with that, i want to ask you, did karrie have something to do with her death? >> no. i just dont think karrie has it in her to kill another person. >> can you think of something, whether it was things get out of hand. she gets in a fight. its a self-defense thing? i mean, can you see that happening with karrie? >> its hard to imagine. but can i picture it? i can. >> and instead of...

Accumulation of control. i felt that she had been brainwashed. >> and looking back, micheles mom is now certain it was lloyd who was behind the unexplained rift with her daughter. >> i think that hed already started alienating her, manipulating her mind. >> putting a false narrative in her head about who she was and who her people were? >> i have often referred to him as jim jones. >> its almost cult leaderesque >> that is the control that hes created in that child for years and years of program...

Father, it was as though the spell was broken. karrie flipped and decided to testify against her father. >> at what point did your dad first approach with you this plan? >> now she gave a second, even more detailed confession, and prepared to be the star witness at her fathers murder trial. and a new wrenching detail. she had helped move her mothers dead body. >> we dragged her around the corner and he tied the rope to the one prong of the banister and lifted her up, and we both threw her over t...

And then she got quiet. so i waited for her to come out and talk to me. >> i know youre upset. but if you can take a breath for me so that i can understand what youre saying a little better. >> yeah. yeah. okay. im sorry. >> sure, karrie sounded distraught. but the officer who first took down her account of that night didnt like what he was hearing. >> he said right away, somethings not right. >> what was he referring to? >> karrie specifically was not telling the truth about what happened that ...