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He was for traditional prejudice against gays. thats where he stands, traditionally. traditionally this country has fired people for being gays. traditionally they have kicked people out of the military for being gay. thats tradition. tradition is wrong on this. the american people are turning gradually against tradition. for romney to hide behind the platitude of tradition, tradition has been prejudice. >> you say that, but the -- >> no, no, no, what happened to richard this week is what normal...

Issue. >> chuck, i dont think it has the same policy, though. >> they will try like hell to prove it. >> it doesnt have the same poeten sigh. it is there. it is clear. i think that you hear the president and the way -- dont forget what he endorsed. he endorsed the idea personally of being in favor of same sex marriage and also said it is up to the states and almost trying to have the mirror almost having the same tone that romney has on gay marriage and saying, look, i am for it but it is okay i...

White house didnt want to bring this up. the people around the vice president were probably nervous. here he was answering a question from his heart and talking about love and talking about how people love and david gregory deserves the credit for breaking the store because he asks the most bril nant question and got a brilliant answer that will change this campaign perhaps for the better, the worse, for either party and definitely broken in a whole new era of cultural politics. >> mitt romney h...

It is not by the laws written but by working side by side with people of other races and getting to know people who are different than ourselves and that we realize that some of these old ideas are just that, old ideas. >> julian, karen explains perfectly the personal momentum and impetus for this but what about the political implications for the president? >> it is an excellent question. to the conversation that chris and chuck were having, i think i am a little more on chriss side. what makes ...

Political minds and leave aside the moral and ethical and all of the other issues, the social issues, people will be arguing about over the course of the next few days. if you look at it as a political element of this, it was simply time to make a stand and there was a feeling that the president, you know, one of the quotes was he was too cute and trying to have it both ways and come down firmly on one side and theyll let people fight it out and i think in the end they think there could be a pol...

Thats the great journal question. why arent republican staff people, key people in the party from the robo room to chief of staff to top people in the party, gay people, how come theyre not saying anything? there is a great question. stand up. go to the window and yell youre not going to take it anymore. >> they wont do that. >> why not? theyre constrained by the nonsense by the position theyre forced into by the people they support. >> we were talking just now about the fact that this may appea...

On the wrong side of history on this question, and doesnt say that his position has changed and of course we got the evolving answer in 2010 and now this. i think you do see sort of this evolution and it is over an eight year period politically. the question and i heard you and chris talking with this, what kind of real world effect will this have? eight years ago i think we saw that there was gay marriage was being used as a wedge issue between the two either pass. fast forward to today. i do n...

Discussion at this point in the campaign. you know, you can call it biden being biden, once he opened his mouth, this question was going to be out there and the president cannot afford to look wishy washy on something like this, so he was going to have to address it, and to his credit he did not -- you did not go halfway. he went whole hog. >> he absolutely did. karen, what about the potential fight back now? i am assuming that a number of conservatives are going to use this issue to harang and ...