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Theyve got to contain it, make sure he doesnt use the thunderstorm and the dark of night to elude the circle that surrounds him. be patient, wait him out, use the girlfriend, if that is what it takes, try to get him down. get him to back off. right now, hes got that finger on the hair trigger and is plugging away at anyone. and now, you can have thunder, you are not going to know if its thunder or gunfire. its a mess in philly, but patience. theyve got the perimeter secure. patience is what thes...

The roof. >> one of the cops had blood on him. >> sean: joining us now it is breaking news story, fox news correspondent at large, geraldo rivera, retired nypd detective, and fox news contributor ted william, a former police detective. i dont want to spread information, ted, i just want a straight answer, want to know there is nobody in the room with him. we know he is ammunition, we know he has firepower, we know he is willing to fire and kill anybody, but options are different once we know for...

Commitment and loyalty to service and protection of life, even prisoners. because that, as you pointed out, was one of the reasons they didnt rush the building. so all of the options are on the table now. >> sean: all of the options will be on the table. youre right. geraldo, i know this may sound callous in the minds of some liberal people, but assuming he is alone in there, im not against our guys doing what they need to do, because whatever information they would probably get from him, they w...

Limited. reading this free air in and out. hes cooked. his goose is cooked. as geraldo pointed out, they are ultimately going to figure out how to rush the apartment he is in on the first floor, and crush him, take him out of gunfire, just like the rabid dog that he is. thats whats going to happen. its not going to end pretty at all to 5:00 a.m. or 3:00 a.m. or 1:00 a.m., but it will be merciless and it will be executed with precision, and he will be cognizant of tripwires, but this guy has to s...

Great s.w.a.t. team, philadelphia pd there. that got to contain it, make sure he doesnt use the thunderstorm and the dark of night to elude the circle that surrounds him. be patient, wait him out, use the girlfriend if that is what it takes, try to get him down. get him to back off. right now, hes got that finger on the hair trigger and is plugging away at anyone. and now you can have thunder, you are not going to know if its thunder or gunfire. its a mess in philly, but patients. theyve got the...

Doing the brave things that most people wont do to keep us safe. and you dont make it about politics, sean. in this case, for kamala harris or anyone else to jump to that, listen, she is chameleon kamala, she will go with whatever moment she needs on whatever topic to benefit herself, and in this case, its reckless, and we are all thinking about the philadelphia pd right now. >> sean: it just took my breath away. it was less than an hour into the whole thing. and it was castro, kirsten gillibran...

People wont do to keep us safe. and you dont make it about politics, sean. in this case, for kamala harris or anyone else to jump to that, listen, she is chameleon kamala, she will go with whatever moment she needs on whatever topic to benefit herself, and in this case, its reckless, and we are all thinking about the philadelphia pd right now. >> sean: it just took my breath away. it was less than an hour into the whole thing. she knows nothing, as everyone else knows nothing. and it was castro,...

Sean, remember that there is the day care center right across the street from this building. so, heres a guy with an ar-15, he is popping, he is popping away, there is little babies at the day care center right across the street. i mean, it reminded me, i had this awful, sick feeling in my stomach. it reminded me of the oklahoma city bombing that we discovered in the murrah building, the day care center, all those children were killed. the wanton disregard, the recklessness of this person. and, ...

Service and protection of life, even prisoners. because that, as you pointed out, was one of the reasons they didnt rush the building. so all of the options are on the table now. >> sean: all of the options will be on the table. youre right. >> 1000%. >> sean: and geraldo, i know this may sound callous in the minds of some liberal people, but assuming he is alone in there, im not against our guys doing what they need to do, because whatever information they would probably get from him, they will...

This warrant from the narcotics cops. there is no way he went to a gun store and purchased an ar-15. so i dont think that gun control is relevant to the current discussion -- even if it was appropriate to bring up political issues so close -- >> sean: not while an active shooting is going on, geraldo, and not when you dont know a single thing about what has happened in this case, which is -- and not be raising money for political campaigns off of a shooting, and exploiting tragedy for some type ...