congressman, the issues we're all watching besides trump is issue of the confederate statues. 3 of 5 people in virginia including all races and genders were for keeping the statues the way they are, don't want changes, yet that was position of gillespie the republican. position of the democratic candidate northam was get them all down. that's how he started anyway. >> says to me, voters said that's where i am on this issue, didn't vote on this issue. >> it was not the issue. but gillespie and trump. gillespie didn't know who trump was in northern virginia but ran a television ad campaign that absolutely invoked worst of the trump campaign. >> southerner ? >> this time it didn't work. >> catholic guy who grew up in new jersey running down there waving the flag of stonewall
a controversial president in by-election. >> anybody with any problems with the government party, any problem they lay on you. right? >> absolutely right. >> you take all the hell with trump's name on it. >> and historically that's how virginia performs. election year after presidential election and almost always vote for other candidate. it's corrective. >> transgender person was elected this week. >> virginia is more midatlantic than southern state. like new jersey or anyplace else. i think it's becoming harder for republicans. saw that in last two presidential races. yes we're going to compete in virginia and we did. >> single women together with a strong minority population and growing highly educated
population and more college grads voting this year than last, that's tough. >> but ralph did well for democratic candidate among white men. >> carried white women. talk like south africans in this thing. you're not laughing. did you win or lose tonight. >> didn't lose, here's how i look at it. still got a supreme court justice, that's like six or seven governors. >> either way, you say you won. >> not tonight. >> john, thanks for being in the barrel tonight and congressman, congratulations. you were on the program and predicted whole thing. i don't like being outpredicted. joined on the phone by rising star in the democratic party,
congresswoman cheri bustos. does this victory make you feel more aloft? going to be optimistic about something we're seeing tonight, but also want to say, hey, we got a lot of work to do. november of 2018 is still a year off. don't want to lose sight of the fact that we have to keep track of what people are talking about, jobs, economy. and as we saw in the exit poles tonight in virginia, lot of it was about health care as well. people are very concerned about health care that donald trump and paul ryan are sticking on people. >> what happened in virginia, had until tonight a conservative legislature, said no expansion of medicaid up to higher
percentage of the poverty level, in fact above. apparently that's one of the pressures congressman connolly. >> we saw a referendum on this in maine and passed. >> what is particular aggravating point on health care? threat to obamacare? >> you and i have talked about how i go back home and do supermarket saturdays, walk the aisles and ewhat's on people's minds. health care is dominant. biggest concern i hear is people who have seen family members live through cancer and heart attacks and preexisting conditions and what's going to happen with them. what paul ryan and donald trump is doing on the cost of health care, we're going to continue to see this go up unless they decide to work with democrats and address the rising costs of
health care and prescription drugs. we could do that if they're willing to work with us. >> when you walk through the supermarkets, counterclockwise or clockwise? i think it's better clockwise because then the people are coming at you. most go around to the right then -- i'm just kidding. anyway. >> chris, ever since you advised me, i'm going counterclockwise, thank you. >> something i learned at 20 years old. it's great to have you on, cheri bustos of illinois. coming up, issues that sent democrats tonight and voters wanting to keep the confederate monuments but not voting on that issue. big night for democrats, but wouldn't say this night. huge night. coverage will continue on this special edition of victory.
first big night of victory since trump was elected president. first time. "hardball" back after this.
welcome back to special edition of "hardball" after midnight. what pushed trt ralph northam from over the top, exit poll that tells us more. joined by steve karn eky. what made it happen? >> exit poll asking what issues motivated you. see the national issues intersecting. talking about health care, big story nationally with the republican push to repeal obamacare and ongoing issue trying to expand medicaid. 40% who said this were democrats voting for ralph northam, then
gun policy in the news with tragedy in texas, split. half the people saying guns were issue, voting for gillespie, half voting for northam. different motivations. taxes, bread and butter issue. and immigration, what gillespie was playing up. republican voters here, gillespie voters. and interesting result. gillespie ran on the issue of heritage, he called it, confederate monuments, shouldn't be torn down, asked this question, confederate monuments on government property, what should be done? 38% remove, almost 60% with gillespie on that. leave them in place. gillespie was trying to build a winning coalition out of that percent but didn't materialize, biggest issue wasn't in the exit poll, might just have been donald trump himself.
>> i wonder about the statues, reasonable to assume good turnout in african-americans in the election, only 18% of white voters for getting rid of the statues, historically, wanted to keep the history despite its moral mix to put it lightly. >> and while gillespie ran aggressively on the issue, northam didn't take opposite position, kind of punted on it. municipalities, you decide. not doing culture war stuff from the other side. >> and started out as complete get them out of the way, then said leave it to the locals. i don't think that's right issue for democrats. i know they have to do it but better put it on the back burner for a while. that's where it belongs. as steve mentioned, removal of the monuments became a hot gsh
here ease what i, deadly protest in charlottesville, where the alt-right were pushing it. joined by -- mayor, like it or not, issue made virginia, sort of became iconic issue. because everybody else could identify with health care and guns and immigration. no other state has got the history that virginia has in terms of fighting the civil war. >> this is true. we have a special, unique and rich history here in the commonwealth of virginia, particularly in my city of richmond. but saw at polls that issues matter more than bronze and granite, the living, health care, and combatting gun violence. lot more important. >> not moving to middle east where they fight over every
piece of ground with historic and religious meaning to different communities. not reached that point now going to war over the statues. but you're the expert larry. >> i think there was a backlash to what happened in charlottesville. and what later happened in richmond, and the mayor handled that very well. long story short, i think both parties are going to back off from this to the extent they can, leave it to localities. that's probably the way to handle it. some may want to have referenda, may be a way to deal with it. as statewide issue, democrats were very worried this was going to hurt ralph northam, concerned would stimulate another racial issue. already had gillespie harping on ms-13 and immigration and crime and football players taking a knee, all this kind of stuff.
but what was really interesting, chris, this boiled down, not to those issues that steve just mentioned, though he's correct, that's what was asked on the exit poll. boiled down to trump and trumpism. it's not referendum on trump but a public backlash to trump and some kind of repudiation i think of trumpism. that's what this election ended up being about. >> yeah, mayor you know this as well, run for office, get elected mayor, i have a sense that voters only have a crude tool in voting booth. can't write a letter or essay, they've got to vote, yes or no. this time they voted no. what is it about your community, your voters, be honest here, what is it they most dislike about donald trump? >> i think they hate the divisive and bigoted rhetoric coming out of his mouth. i mean you heard some -- the way
he -- i think it all began, look back at what he said about african-americans during the presidential campaign, like what do we have to lose. now we saw and came out in full force. in my city alone, 70,000 voters came out to vote this time around. won 81%, ralph northam. last time, 58,000 came out to vote. see the difference. not only african-americans but young white voters came out and said in resounding way, this is the sort of politics we don't want in commonwealth and beyond. >> tell me what it means that millennials did what you said, not ethic or racial thing among millennials but young people really did vote against trump and trumpism. mayor first. >> yeah. i would say this, i look at my city, it's young, between 20 and 29 years old, 23% of the
population made up of those individuals. we want a progressive style of politics that's inclusive and welcoming. what you hear out of washington, d.c., and what you heard from ed gillespie, didn't embrace donald trump but ran on trump playbook, fearmongering, talking about statues et cetera. ran with the trump playbook. >> is this going to disabuse the republican candidates in '18 they can win as trump? mimicking his issues? >> it ought to if in purple competitive territory for blue. how could a republican get elected by being associated with trump personally or his issues? if you're from deeply red state in north dakota -- >> alabama looks purple right now. you're laughing but even in the polls. >> pretty extreme. that's why. >> one thing i want -- i'll add,
may take back the house of delegates as well. looks like 50/50 seat. if i were a house republican in congress, i'd be scared. add this as well. had a great four years of terry mccall's leadership. i think ed gillespie made the case they were tied at hip and you saw what won out. >> for mccall for president? >> he's going to run. >> think he would make an excellent president. >> will you be with him if he runs? >> i'm going to be mayor of richmond. >> mayors can endorse presidents. i love doing this. you don't want to say you're for terry or not. he'll call you tomorrow. >> if he runs for president, he has my endorsement without a doubt. >> man who makes decisions on a dime. thank you mr. mayor. thank you. larry, what do you think of this
as representative of united states coming next year? lodestar for 2018 politics? >> it's going to help democrats raise money, recruit candidates. what this legislative vote in virginia showed is, democrats have to recruit candidates to run everywhere. you never know where you might win. incredibly northam's coattails picked democrats from 34 to 50/50 split and in recounts might go over. key is having lots of candidates to catch on to a wave. could be a wave next year. don't know yet. it's too early. >> taught something important to those watching tonight. in elections next year, may run in seat that's never gone democrat and you may win. in 1964, 1974, 1990, all kinds of year where's the people who -- teachers just announce
i'll run for it last day. tom foley ran last day. howard in maryland or new jersey ran the last day, he got elected. it's the year to put your name on the ballot. thank you mayor and larry sabato. up next, president trump is in south korea but mind is on virginia, he lost and tonight he blasted his supposed guy, saying he lost because he failed to embrace, his word, the trump agenda, and maybe the trump manner. you're watching a special edition of "hardball."
i just called lieutenant governor ralph northam to congratulate him on becoming governor-elect ralph northam. as i said throughout the course of this campaign, governor-elect ralph northam is a good man and appreciate his service to this nation and our commonwealth and wish him success. obviously wish it had gone the other way but appreciate those who voted and cast votes even for those who won today. >> that's harder than you think. ed gillespie was walloped tonight. conceding to ralph northam, didn't mention in the whole
speech donald trump. but as i mentioned president tweeted earlier that ed gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what i stand for. republicans won four house seats over the years and economy -- that's trumping to his usual. about face, tweeted that quote, gillespie will totally turn around the high crime and poor performance of virginia. vote today asap. that was before the votes came in. this is a pattern for the president. tweeted against alabama senator luther strange after he lost to roy moore. dumped on him and deleted previous tweets in support of strange. joined by politics editor at root, and msnbc contributor. unfortunate human nature here to scamper away from defeat when
you did partner with the guy politically. >> not just leaving the prom date you weren't happy with -- >> nobody does that. that is worse than i can imagine. >> exactly. tweets just earlier in the day, saying this guy is wonderful. now saying he's not. but other problem is this, every republican out there, every other tweet that trump sends, seeing this now. he's not going to have my back. i didn't believe it until i saw what was happening on state legislative level. that's where it's worrisome for republicans. if you see a state legislature flip in off-year election and if that level of enthusiasm continues, you have real problems. >> ask you about the decision by mr. gillespie, decisions are not accidental or casual. go out to give a plaintive -- difficult moment. difficult to give a concession speech without crying or showing
emotion. got to show strength. decide as he was composing thoughts and emotions and words, i'm not going to mention the s.o.b. >> better man than me. >> i'm not going to say i want to thank the president for all his help. didn't do that. >> i don't think he ever wanted to. pence came down there, gillespie was never going to embrace donald trump. and i think -- >> why? he's establishment figure. former rnc chair. >> exactly. and trump would have caused more trouble than helped. >> 7,000 miles away and still felt he had to dump on this guy. sadism for all of us, new jersey governor conceded to phil murphy, running on the opposite of coattails to governor christie in the low teens in respect and popularity. best she could make of it tonight. >> about 10 or even five minutes
ago, i called phil murphy and congratulated him on a fabulous race. stop. it was a great race. we left no stone unturned. we left no stone unturned. and we would not have done anything differently. i want to congratulate him on the win and you will too right now, give him congratulations on the win. this is not the end, this is the beginning of a good fight. we will keep up that fight. >> i'm sorry, i know she's a woman, but i love the phrase jersey girls. got the attitude and spunk. i'm sorry, little bit of joan rivers there. >> fantastic. >> toughed it out. >> see people walking around like already beginning to sweep up. she was going to do this. be brave. i'm sure done this too -- >> i've been in n there, trash all over the familiar and balloons going up. >> kept to it.
didn't give up. >> must have known from day one she wasn't -- republicans don't get elected that easily in new jersey and to have to ge -- what are the opposite of coattails? millstones? >> that's it exactly. >> this had that big governor on her shoulders. even through the bridge in and she had nothing twaud it. millstone, bridge too far. just not going to be able to do it. >> cornelius ryan wrote "a bridge too far." up next, big morale boost, will have afterglow for weeks what happened in virginia. what does it mean for 2018? means a lot of people will run for office as democrats who wouldn't have run otherwise because think they can win now.
democrats stand a real shot of winning senate races in states. watching a special edition of "hardball," big night for the ds.
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have cost the republicans entire state legislature. openly transgender democrat danica rome won against incumbent who called himself virginia's chief homophobe. battle of differences. bring in round table, "new york times," democratic strategist and republican strategist. down the line, i think this is big, going to change morale across the country of democrats who haven't won since last november and lost that one. >> and choices couldn't have been more clear. someone calling himself chief homophobe and transgender woman sayi saying going to usher in new phase. >> she's 34 and he's 74 by the way. >> exactly. not a nuance, clear choice. either want confederate status to dominate the conversation or progressive ideals to dominate.
see the numbers of people who say they want the statues up but don't care. number one issue is health care and they're trusting democrats. >> i like to put that issue aside for a while. let it calm down, benign neglect on the statues might be good. i don't like the pictures of the big cranes. this is trouble. steve, seems to me when you look at numbers, they wanted to vote no right? >> absolutely. it was pent-up outrage directed at donald trump and this was opportunity for voters to go out and really take a stand. and ed gillespie was unusual campaign because it was like invasion of the body snatchers. caricature of ed gillespie that ran was not the man we have known a long time. chamber of commerce establishment republican who beat trumpism in the primary and became trumpism in the general election and came back to bite
him. everybody in capitol should be worried about it. we're -- assume african-americans voted against trump. then the white electorate in southern accent part of the state. northam is pretty much a centrist, a medical doctor. i think the republicans would have have to run up a ridiculous percentage among white voters to win because of the statues versus trumpism. how do you win if you're republican? >> they didn't. look at turnout, northam did a lot better. >> white women voted for northam. >> better than anyone thought. >> and suburbs was catastrophic for the republicans. wiped out in the suburbs. if you're barbara comstock or
republicans who make up majority from suburbs around the country, you have to think about how the heck do i get reelected. think about that right now. first getting things done in congress. >> people around the better offsuburbs like delaware around philly or fitzpatrick getting shaky? they're on the leaning list. >> i don't think they really like trump to become with. lot of them voted against trump and now the worry is not only vote against trump but republicans trying to ally themselves with trump. >> voting against property tax deductions in the tax bill and high property taxes and comfort themselves like a normal person, at least can write off federal income tax. not now. >> they're going to find a deal on that that's more acceptable. >> take away the property tax deduction to guy or woman who owns a house in the suburbs --
>> they're going to get it but not state or estate. that's the rub. >> no. >> that's not sufficient. what is interesting about tonight. look at suburbs of washington where ed gillespie ran and did quite well, ran against mark warner. 20 points less in the vote in this election than he did when he ran against warner. that was true in prince william county, fairfax, the ed gillespie that ran last time was establishment republican. >> republican running for election in reasonable state, not far right, reasonable state. have donald trump's face on your literature? >> probably not. not only because trumpism lost tonight but there's this idea that republicans have always been kind of not in donald trump's corner. >> he beat them to win, not join
them. >> he did. but there's this issue where republicans for a long time before he run didn't want to run as donald trump and now feeling the pressure because he had surprising win. i think now they're like we can go back to our corners and not be donald trump. >> will he let them? >> you're going to have national effect no matter what happens. i think the republican -- >> if we talk about donna brazile that will be all we can talk about. big in the news. >> democratic problems, we've entered stage where things are national in general. >> question. bernie people still hanging on, donna didn't help that what she said, not sure what she wanted to do. but republicans may have a real split. john, trump and untrump republicans next year? >> first of all it depends on the economy, and if trump's
popularity gets up to 40% or 42% -- i do think won't run with trump. localize the elections. >> what at 40%? >> approval rating. got to get up. below that, republicans in big trouble. >> that's where he was in virginia, 42%. >> that's why we lost virginia. >> wasn't good enough. >> generic ballot for democrats is 11 point advantage. donald trump is one-man wrecking machine and republicans on the hill are starting to figure to t out. >> better off passing tax reform? >> i don't think they get that much by giving tax breaks to corporations and rich people. >> round table is sticking with us. another major victory, new jersey voters overwhelmingly elected democrat phil murphy for
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of the republic. christie was known for colorful and confrontational style of politics. example of that today. leaving polling place, confronted by constituent, this is jersey, wanted him to merge two municipalities. that's a reason to go at it. >> easiest thing is to stand where you stand on the sidelines and critique. >> i have relatives. >> you're critiques. you want to merge the townships run for the committee and -- run for the township committee and be the voice to do it. that's too hard. >> it's not hard, just that nobody cares. >> easier to sit here and complain. easier to sit here and complain. that's the joy of public service. serving folks who -- >> you were the one. >> move along. >> serving folks like you is
such a unique joy. it really is. >> i think he loved it. more of christie's colorful moments. >> did i not say on topic? are you stupid? next question. i'm sorry for the idiot over there. >> people that raise their voices and yell and scream like you that are dividing the country. what's her name? >> real quick as governor is talking. >> gail. >> first of, it's none of your business. don't ask you where you send your kids to school. unbeknownst to everybody i was the guy working the cones out there. you're really not serious with that question. if what you want to do is put on a show and giggle every time i talk, i have no interest in answering your questions.
tom you must have thinnest skinned guy in america. if she wants to get an plane and examine me, i'll have a conversation. until that time she should shut up. until that time, sit down and shut up. >> we're back with round table. he had his come uppance today, new jersey rejected him. put in replacement nowhere like him. lieutenant governor courageously ran and got nowhere, now playing the hall of fame against him. >> went from person people were talking about possibly running for president to somebody with so many gates. bridgegate, beachgate.
this election was clearly about rejecting -- people don't want a governor who acts like that and governs how he did. >> steve, you and i have similar backgrounds. certain kind of philly guy likes that and south jersey, showed lip and attitude and if someone pushed him into corner where his kids went to school, had right to defend himself but went on taer. >> it's like i jumped the shark. some authenticity is good, tip o'neil, ted kennedy. >> frank inougsynough sinatra h >> it's fine line. >> your thoughts? >> could have been a contender. chris christie was the trump
before trump, authentic, battler, able to take on the media. problem was bridgegate, started a long terrible path down. took away the authenticity. >> during the 2016 presidential campaign, last year, christie focused most of his contempt on marco rubio. let's watch. >> senator rubio, the boy in the bubble gets here, i hope you ask him some questions. get the boy in the bubble out of the bubble, see if he'll answer questions. >> jumping on him after the ridiculous performance by guy that got brain frezen and repeated same neocon line six times in a row. rubio repeated it. let's put rubio on the barrel now. bad night for republicans. >> let's dispel once and for all
let's eignite the fight over statues. you know everything. >> read the book. bobby ken by. that's it for our broadcast. brian williams and everyone here will be back. thank you from all much us. good night. tonight on "all in." >> this morning the president launched into a argument with chuck schumer. >> in the wake of an atrocity. >> why was he so quick to go the political route and point fingers at chuck schumer? >> president trump attacks democrats and the american justice system. >> what we have right now is a joke. and it's a laughing stock. >> tonight, how the trump response changes depending on the attacker. >> i don't want to go quicker and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. >> then, new reporting that a panicked president is blaming his son-in-law. >> come here, jared. >> new questions about what jeff sessions knew about russian collusion. >> i'm not aware that anyone else did. >> what the president knew about it?
>> nobody that i knew of. >> and what robert mueller will find in the president's taxes. >> i have no deals with russia. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. one month ago tonight, a white american man with more than 20 guns shot almost 600 people at a concert in las vegas, killing 58 of them and then himself. it was the worst mass shooting in modern american history and the single deadliest attack on american soil since 9/11. at the time, the white house scolded anyone suggesting maybe something could be done about guns in this country, the weapons he used to carry that out, accusing them of politicizing a tragedy and getting ahead of the facts. it just wasn't the time for that. needless to say, a month later the president still has yet to offer a single policy solution. today, though, just about 18 hours after a terrorist attack here in new york city in which an uzbek national in a pickup truck mowed down cyclists and pedestrians in a bike path
leaving eight dead, the president was blaming the u.s. senator from new york. he also tweeted about isis and his so-called extreme investigating program. he blamed the attack on the american immigration system and then the entire justice system of the united states of america. it's part of a long-standing pattern of amplifying and weaponizing acts of violence committed by muslims, while other kinds of violence, especially by white nonmuslims are held at arm's length. the president of the united states has access to the best information from law enforcement on their ongoing investigation, far beyond what's available to the public, but instead he's getting his updates from "fox & friends." parroting an unconfirmed report the green card holder entered under a program allegedly pushed by democrats. >> we are here, brian, precisely because of the neglect, political neglect of the last administration. senator chuck schumer importing -- helping import europe's problems. we don't want that. >> that was this morning.
minutes later, the president tweeted chuck schumer helping to import europe's problems, said colonel tony shaffer. we will stop this craziness. @foxandfriends. the president gets his news from fox news. the rest of us get it from law enforcement. the attacker had been planning the attack for weeks. he was charged in federal court today with giving material support to isis. also today, authorities released the identities of all eight victims who died in that attack who ranged in age from 23 to 48 years old. five were from argentina, one from belgium. the other two were locals from new york and new jersey. the argentinians were part of a group celebrating the 30th anniversary of their high school graduation, seen here enjoying the bike path in the moments before they were mowed down. at a cabinet meeting today after offering a brief tribute to those victims, the president pivoted to pushing his long-standing immigration goals.
>> we should note that the man responsible for that bombing in chelsea in lower manhattan last year was just convicted in federal court two weeks ago using the normal constitutional use of criminal procedure. he was prosecuted by the same office that just charged saipov for yesterday's attack. a year ago while the manhunt for the chelsea bomber was still under way, then candidate trump seized the moment to tweet about refugees. he had a similar reaction this past september calling out police in the midst of their investigation. another attack in london by a loser terrorist. these are sick and demented people in the sight of scotland yard. must be proactive. there was his unforgettable response to the pulse nightclub massacre, which was until las vegas, the deadliest mass shooting in modern u.s. history. appreciate the congrats for being right on radical islamic terrorism. i don't want congrats. i want toughness and vigilance. we must be smart. of course it was just five days after the 2015 attack at san bernardino that the man who is now president called to ban an
talk about gun policy. but here he can go off half cocked and talk about immigration policy when it probably has nothing to do with immigration. he just use the culture wars and any excuse he gets to rally his base. one of the things, if you were talking intelligently, you would ask him why he recommended greatly cutting down the counterterrorism budget, counterterrorism funds in his budget. now, the fact is that saipov immigrated to this country seven years ago. he was vetted by all accounts, there was nothing particularly dangerous about him. now he probably, in recent years, got radicalized by social media while he was here, as we've seen in other cases. immigration has nothing to do with that, but it's a good talking point for the president.
>> do you -- what do you want to say to the president if he were to call you after this? it took him a while to call the mayor, it took him a while to call the governor. has he reached out to you? >> no, he has not reached out to me and i don't expect him to. >> what would you say to him if he said congressman, i want to send my condolences, what would you tell him. >> i'd say thank you for your condolences and the best thing you can do is stop talking about irrelevancies. instead, restore the counterterrorism funds so the new york city police and the fbi can do their jobs more effectively. don't cut down the counterterrorism funds while you're talking about terror. i'd also say don't demagogue about the criminal justice system. the fact of the matter is he was, as you pointed out, the chelsea bomber is already convicted. a regular court in new york, a federal court will mete very harsh justice to someone who does this. >> i want to play for you,
because it's not just the president sort of considered guantanamo, there are other republicans considered anti-trump like john mccain and lindsey graham who are also calling for this person to not go through the normal constitutional and criminal procedures as he has been charged today. >> i don't -- i don't understand why some of our republican colleagues do not trust the american justice system. it has been a very good and effective system. it has tried people fairly and rapidly and given them the sentences they deserve. by contrast, khalid sheikh mohammed who was involved in the 9/11 attack is still awaiting trial by military commission in guantanamo. if you want a 20-year delay, send someone to guantanamo. if you want effective and swift justice, federal courts and state courts in new york can handle that very well. >> i should note that the guantanamo system is such a mess that today a judge ordered a marine general acting as a defense attorney in guantanamo to serve a 21-day sentence because things are blowing up
>> sebrina, you can tell the folks in there in the white house -- let me ask you this. as someone who is in the white house, is the difference between how he reacts to different events, different atrocities, apparent and palpable in that white house? >> oh, absolutely. and i think you have seen this time and again where any time the suspect is someone is a brown-skinned individual or has a muslim name, the president is quick to react and call for sweeping policies, whether it's his travel ban or more coded language referring to extreme investigate. if it's a white male born and raised in the u.s. who is the perpetrator of a mass shooting, it's too soon to politicize the event or to call for any sort of policy response. i think, look, what we know is that this is a president who is trying to meet a few key goals with respect to immigration.
and really it's to slash legal immigration as well as to try to limit immigration from muslim majority countries. so he thinks that this somehow reaffirms that objective, when in fact none of what he has proposed would have prevented this incident from taking place because uzbekistan was not on any of the travel ban iterations that he put forward. this is someone who came in through this lottery program seven years ago, and so he only recently may have been radicalized and that would not have come up when he was being considered for that program. >> we should also note what's called the diversity lottery is a vestige of a law signed by george w. bush which was proposed to be scrapped by the folks that tried to the gang of eight bill signed. if immigration reform had been signed, which was spearheaded by chuck schumer himself, it would not exist anymore. the thing -- you said something, rick, that struck with me. we've seen the politics of
terror work on behalf of republicans before, definitely worked for george w. bush. and part of it is because it allowed people that weren't in the political collision, they felt scared and that fear could be marshalled and used to expand the political coalition. what strikes me is the way he handles this isn't pitched to anyone who isn't already in the political coalition. >> right, no. this is a guy who cannot -- who cannot operate outside of the cheer section that exists for him. it's the comment section of various, you know, kook right websites that he looks to and it's the fox & friends, you know, they're feeding him a steady drip every morning of adoration and approval. and so, you know, he can't -- he can't bring himself to understand anyone outside of the coalition that supports him. and anyone outside in the vast majority of americans who look at an event like yesterday and recoil at how horrifying it is and want to come to solutions
and want to praise new yorkers for being resilient. look, i worked for rudy giuliani in new york, and so i understand the sort of reflex action by people in the city of new york. they look at things like this and they shake it off and push it in the background and get on with their lives, it's what they do. and donald trump taking this guy, as tragic and horrible as this is, and trying to get back and use this as a way to undo his multiple failings on this immigration ban, you know, it speaks very much to the fact that he doesn't have anything outside his base. there is no there, there beyond the folks that wake up in the morning and believe that fox news -- fox & friends is the word from the prophet on the mountain. >> and it's not just that, sabrina, what i found unnerving this morning, the president
seemed to be getting his information from fox news. it's not just that he is speaking to those people, it goes two ways. it really seems like he wants to know what happened in lower manhattan yesterday, he's clicking on fox & friends and that's the source of the information of the president of the united states. >> certainly it was fox & friends that was the source apparently of this information and even if you say that he's the president, he has access to classified material, he is then choosing, as we have seen before, to disseminate this on twitter, without much thought for the ramifications or the fact that u.s. authorities haven't actually weighed in. just one quick thing rick hit upon the fact that this is really about triggering pressure points within his base. and i think that even the fact that he would mention the prospect of sending this individual to guantanamo, that's rooted in him knowing that that is really something that in the eyes of the base projects this aura of toughness, when if you're just looking at it from a substantive standpoint, some of the conspirators for 9/11 haven't even received a start date for their trial. so you have federal courts that
by contrast have convicted and sentenced well over a dozen terrorists at the same time. so that is a key point also worth mentioning. >> sabrina and rick, thank you. >> thanks, chris. as the mueller investigation goes inside the west wing, trump is attacking jared kushner? plus, new questions about what jeff sessions really knew when he testified under oath. that's in two minutes.
attorney general jeff sessions. he was, of course, present at a march 2016 meeting with campaign aide george papadopoulos, who has since pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his contact with kremlin proxies. and that was the meeting when papadopoulos said he proposed arranging a meeting between trump and russian president vladimir putin. according to a former campaign aide who spoke to "the new york times," mr. sessions, as the campaign's top national security official, spoke vehemently against the idea asking others not to discuss it again, which may or may not be true, but it's hard to think that he forgot about that whole thing when he repeatedly denied any knowledge of any possible campaign communications with russia. >> senator franken, i'm not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. and i'm unable to comment on it.
>> further, i have no knowledge of any such conversations by anyone connected to the trump campaign. >> you don't believe that surrogates from the trump campaign had communications with the russians? is that what you're saying? >> i did not and i'm not aware of anyone else that did. and i don't believe it happened. >> and you don't believe it now? >> i don't believe it happened. >> congressman eric swalwell is a member of the house intelligence committee. he joins me now. the attorney general said i'm not aware of anybody who did but he was in a meeting that we now know from a filing in court signed by the person in question as part of a plea that he said in that meeting that sessions was in, i think i can arrange for a meeting with vladimir putin and donald trump. what do you make of that? >> chris, good evening. and first, you know, our hearts are with you in new york and the victims there. what i make of that, chris, is that this is a theme that we have seen from donald trump, his son, jared kushner, attorney general sessions, and just about everyone at the highest level is that they have failed to
acknowledge meetings with russians, only when confronted by you or other folks in the press or congressional investigators with contradicting evidence do they finally come around or say that i fail to recall. also, i think what's also important from the papadopoulos stipulation of facts is this theme now of getting dirt on hillary clinton's e-mails. that also now has come up in so many different contexts. and so i think that, again, it looks like attorney general sessions was not forthcoming. >> this was the court document that i should just read to the people. when defendant papadopoulos introduced himself to the group he stated in sum and substance he had connections that could help arrange a meeting between then candidate trump and president putin. the other part of the court document, mr. trump listened with interest and asked questions. mr. trump didn't say yes and didn't say no said the former
aide who agreed to describe the meeting on condition of anonymity. i guess the question is do you think it's plausible that all this back and forth simply escaped the notice of the attorney general? >> i don't believe in coincidences any more when it comes to the trump team and russia, so no. no, i don't think it's plausible at all. >> do you think he was intentionally misleading the committee? >> i think he has failed a number of times to be truthful about his contacts with russia. and so, you know, i don't understand what explanation he would give here other than he didn't want to acknowledge that somebody had told he, the president and other senior advisers that they had a connection to vladimir putin. and so, again, chris, this is just a reoccuring theme here. whether they actually worked with the russians and, quote unquote, colluded or did their damndest to work with them, they wanted to work with them. >> let me stop you there. that's the question. in what ways what's interesting is i think the press an politicians and the white house
have arrived on this word collusion, colluding, which has no legal meaning, right? >> that's right. >> there's no part of the u.s. code -- >> conspiracy. >> right. but what do you think of what we know now from the charging document, how do you characterize the actions of the campaign? >> i characterize it this way. a bunch of people were told that there is money in a vault. so they got the ski masks, they got the vault blueprints, they talked about how they were going to get the money out of that vault and what we're trying to figure out is did they actually work and go take the money out of the vault? we know that an attempt at the very least was made. they wanted to get that money out of the vault. and the law, you know, an attempt can be just as incriminating as a complete act. but right now we just want to
complete our investigation so we can answer that question. but we know they were will and eager to work with the russians. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you. >> my pleasure. frank figluzzi served under then fbi director robert mueller. what do you make of the actions by the special counsel on monday in terms of what you understand his strategy to be here? >> well, there's clearly a pathway that he's got planned out, and we're seeing it unfold right now. and one of the things that i think we're all realizing is that the mueller team is much farther along in this investigation and much closer to the oval office than many of us realized. and what we're learning even today is that people that i call the formers, former white house chief of staff, reince priebus, former white house spokesman, sean spicer, former interim national security advisor, keith
kellogg, all voluntarily working with or being interviewed by the mueller team. this is a sign that he's penetrated into the white house. these are the people who were savvy, in meetings, privy to knowledge, for example, reince priebus was white house chief of staff when trump decided to fire fbi director james comey. what does he know about that? what does he know about might be -- michael flynn and who knew what when? but let me tell you something, the appearance of hope hicks and the likelihood she's about to be interviewed when he returns from a foreign trip with the president should worry president trump perhaps more than anything else. why? all of the people we just named are formers. they don't have this lovefest with the president. they in fact have issues with the president. hope hicks has been with trump and the trump organization since
2014. she's a 29-year-old young lady. she's about to undergo the most stressful part of her life, being interviewed by the special counsel team. she sits in the most sensitive meetings, the most critical media interviews the president has. she knows more than we think she knows. >> you worked with counterintelligence and from that perspective, i'm trying to make sense of these approaches, because they're so strange, right? so you've got the approach at trump tower, and the manager for the rock star who's the son of an oligarch says, oh, the kremlin wants to help your dad get elected. here we've got papadopoulos saying i met this professor in london and he's talking to people in the kremlin. as someone who worked in counterintelligence, what do those look like to you? >> you see the fingerprints of the russian government here. papadopoulos meets with a professor, who just happens to be able to hook you up with russian government ministry of foreign affairs official. ministry of foreign affairs is
often a cover position for russian intel. he meets a woman who claims she's related to vladimir putin. we find out from the mueller team she's not. then we see manafort and gates representing ukrainian pro-russian presidential candidate. the party is pro russia. they are told to put their money for consulting in a cyprus bank. who uses the cyprus bank to launder money? the russian intelligence service. >> i want to ask you from your perspective, in a little more than ten years manafort, this is from some of the charging documents, has submitted ten united states passport applications on ten different occasions. he currently has three u.s. passports with different numbers. have you heard of anything like that before? >> that's a lot. now, look, there are people who travel incredibly, fill up the passport book, need new
passports, but this many is problematic. the guy travels a lot, but there's way too many passports going on here. and again, i think he got a primer on how the russians can influence a campaign when he represented the ukrainian candidate, and he saw what russia could do to manipulate a campaign and he liked it. >> that's an interesting idea. frank figliuzzi, appreciate it. the president of the united states is beginning to blame his own son-in-law for the predicament he finds himself in. that story coming up. building a website in under an hour is easy with gocentral...
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that paul manafort received this news today that he was being charged on these 12 counts? >> he responded the same way the rest of us in the white house have. that's without a lot of reaction because it doesn't have anything to do with us. >> the trump administration on monday was trying to project an air of calm as robert mueller's first three indictments came news. tonight the president calls "the new york times" personally to let them know just how chill he is. i'm actually not angry at anybody, mr. trump told "the times." but that's not what white house staffers are telling just about anyone who will listen. cnn has reported that donald trump is seething over the charges. "the washington post" wrote that trump fumd over russia indictments. quote, the walls are closing in and everyone is freaking out. in a gabe sherman piece today, former trump campaign aide sam nunberg went on the record. here's what manafort's indictment tells me. trump is at 33% in gallup. you can't go any lower, he's f'ed. he also said that the president may now be turning on the one
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his role in decisions, specifically the firings of mike flynn and james comey that led to robert mueller's appointment, according to a source briefed on the call. gabe sherman, special correspondent for "vanity fair" and msnbc contributor joins me now. the latest piece, steve bannon tells trump to bring in lawyers as he looks for ways to kneecap robert mueller. the president calls to say actually i'm not angry. a statement that is always almost self-refuting. >> of course. >> what does your reporting suggest, is that accurate that he's not angry? >> it reminds me when trump says believe me. every time he says believe me, you know it's the opposite, don't believe him. this clearly was a sign that the white house is spooked and is pushing back aggressively on my reporting and others in "the washington post" and "the daily beast" at some of the panic and turmoil people in the west wing are feeling in the wake of the indictments and the guilty plea of george papadopoulos.
>> your reporting is that bannon is trying to urge him to bring in new lawyers and go harder at mueller. >> correct. >> what strikes me as so reckless about that, they're also under investigation for obstruction of justice. the fact that they're telling reporters or whoever is telling reporters we're going to go after mueller, that could itself be part of a case against the president of the united states for obstruction. >> right. still, steve bannon has no problem urging president donald trump to really go to the mattresses on this when it comes to mueller and his investigative team. as we reported at thedailybeast.com, bannon has been urging the president to bring in more, as he would say, ruthless lawyers to sort of layer above ty cobb and john dowd, two leaders of trump's outside legal team, who bannon thinks are remarkably incompetent. >> we should say that cobb appears to me to be someone right now that is standing between the impulses of the president to attack mueller and, you know, his actual behavior.
he always is saying we're cooperating, we're confident that we'll be found innocent. is that the case? is he kind of the fulcrum for the white house's response? >> sort of. but it's also a matter of the fact that the president and the white house do not actually have a choice at this point to cooperate. even bannon himself has not been urging the president to order the sacking of robert mueller because they're aware of the political firestorm and the potential political suicide that would ensue if they did that. having said that, bannon is one of the president's closest advisers, even though steve bannon himself does not work within trump's west wing anymore, and he is essentially being a devil on trump's shoulder on this. >> yeah, that sounds like -- familiar. what do you think about this
kushner -- any time i see anyone kneecapping kushner, ivanka or back in the day people kneecapping bannon, i was trying to read the tea leaves of which faction of the west wing was going after who. what do we make of this idea that he's turned against kushner? >> the most important thing to remember about donald trump, never his fault. he never will take any responsibility for any decision. so in the wake of pushing out steve bannon, in the wake of pushing out reince priebus, sean spicer and all of the other advisers who were part of that original west wing team, the only one there who was part of that core group now is jared kushner. and so donald trump looks out as my reporting indicates and says how did i get into this mess? what he sees is that jared kushner was by his side at every critical moment that led to the appointment of the special prosecutor. so donald trump has been telling people, as i understand it in this phone call i reported on with steve bannon that he said, listen, jared kushner is part of the reason i'm in this mess because he encouraged me, he was part of the decision to fire jim comey. he was part of the decision to fire mike flynn.
these were the trigger points that led us to the special counsel. >> i want to read a quote for you from gabe's reporting and tell me if that squares from things you hear from people in the white house. jared is the worst political advisor in the white house in modern history. i'm only saying publicly what everyone says behind the scenes at fox media and in the senate and the congress. do you hear that? >> within the white house, jared kushner has a number of people both within and without the white house who are in trump's inner political circle who greatly resent him. having said that, the president is lashing out at his son-in-law and senior advisor, jared kushner, but he is also lashing out at a lot of people within his inner circle. this is not exclusive. >> that's true. >> to mr. kushner. related to what you were saying earlier where the president laughably told "the new york times," oh, i actually think this is fun, i'm not actually mad, that is patently false. anyone with any understanding of this president can tell you
that. and when the president gets madder and the more russia is in the news cycle, he hate tweets more and yells at the tv a lot more. and nowadays, there's a lot of yelling at the tv and a lot of live tweeting of fox news. >> as i said before, actually i'm not mad is not a statement that's ever been true. gabe sherman, asawain, thanks. still to come, why the president may be personally inclined to grant paul manafort a pardon and what it has to do with trump's still, still unreleased taxes ahead. tonight's thing 1, thing 2, next.
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of trump branding over the years but usually it's taking a product and attaching the word "trump" to it. >> trump steaks are by far the best tasting, most flavorful beef you've ever had. >> my new game is trump, the game. >> the donald j. trump signature collection. >> welcome to the trump network. >> now i have my own trump home mattress collection. >> at trump university, we teach success. >> trump steaks are the best you can give, and believe me, i understand steaks. it's my favorite food. >> his favorite food. republicans in congress apparently saw that and thought that is just the kind of branding genius we need to name our new tax cut bill. and so what trump came up with is thing 2 in -- actually i can't wait that long. he's insisting they call it the cut cut cut act. the story behind that is thing 2 in 60 seconds. jimmy's gotten used to his whole room smelling like sweaty odors.
for you. like last year when the british government asked the internet to help name a new research vessel and now there's a research submarine named boaty mcboat face. today nbc news reported that house speaker paul ryan asked president trump to help name the republican tax plan, because of his knack for branding. trump has been insistent the bill be called the cut cut cut act. again, that's the cut cut cut act. spelled with cs. and while paul ryan and kevin brady have pushed back on the name, trump has held firm, which means they may actually get stuck with the equivalent of taxy mctax face. >> what does the president want the bill to be called? there are reports that he wants it to be called the cut cut cut act, is that accurate? >> if it's called the cut cut bill, great. monday's indictment when you're clocking out.
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alemged to have. some reported in bits and pieces. records from cyprus showed that manafort had been in debt to pro russian interests before joining the trump campaign in march. less than a month after that he tried to immediately leverage his new position writing how do we use to get whole, ovd operation, oleg deripaska. these raise questions whether his financial dealings left him open to influence or straight-up collusion by foreign interests. very same questions apply to the man whose campaign he was running, current president of the united states, donald trump. even manafort himself couldn't give a coherent answer on this subject last year.
>> to be clear mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs. >> that's what he did, that's what i said, that's obviously what our position is. >> okay. we know almost nothing about donald trump's finances, to whom he owes money, when those bills might come due, what interests might he be serving. there's one document that could lay those fears to rest, tax returns which he presumably filed two weeks ago. unlike past presidents he's not made it public. at this crucial juncture seems to me americans do a right to know and u.s. congress could force him to produce that document right now. one senator who he's lawmakers should do just that joins me next. we now a lot more about the financial entanglements paul manafort is believed to have
portfolio came from russian money. tax reform bill we're talking about may favor the -- trump family has always supported. would connect a lot of dots and in a lot of ways like the paul manafort situation. when you get the details, for example i think the details about paul manafort are going to be so serious he's not going to be able to sweep them under those very expensive rugs he bought. >> let me ask you this, does congress have the power to make the president give you his tax returns? >> there's a complicated process, really involves the chair, orrin hatch and myself, ranking democrat, agreeing to set in motion a process to obtain the tax return, have the finance committee look it over if get them to go along, yes would be a policy for making them public. i say respectfully, not been able to get republican support. >> it's a concrete action they can take if concerned where this is headed.
also about the president's power to pardon federal crimes is well nigh absolute, if he were to do it and many think that's manafort's angle here, what could congress or people do? >> i feel this pardon issue is not unlike firing bob mueller. if you're even looking at that, thinking about the pardon process at this point, i think you're going to be triggering a constitutional crisis, i think would be a big mistake. many republicans in the senate have said that they would be for bob mueller. i've been telling them, speak out right now, it's going to be important to protect bob mueller's right to do a professional job. >> we have heard talk about mueller, republicans on the record saying he shouldn't do that. and you think firing paul manafort -- sorry pardoning paul
manafort is on the same plane as that. >> particularly at outset, if you're doing either talking about firing bob mueller, pardoning people, it just, based on my conversations with senators, i think would trigger a constitutional crisis. >> you've had hearings over the last two days with platform companies, google, facebook and twitter among others, about the ways in which russian actors appeared to use their platforms, possibly in dubiously legal ways. what is your one big take-away from the hearings about the platforms and how they're equipped. >> seems to me the companies better move quickly to restore trust. have not done enough to police their platforms from bad actors. i wrote a law that gives them tremendous legal power to do a
better job pleegs the platforms. reason this is important, supreme court has said yes it's possible have some restrictions on politics and political speech but almost everything else is covered by the first amendment, rallies and marches and protests. that means these companies have to step up to police them from bad actors. >> are you concerned about the midterms? >> my concern is they have to play catch-up and do it in a hurry. midterms coming up. whole host of questions. i've asked people who make the voter machines to tell us what they're doing for cybersecurity. but midterms are almost around the corner and these companies ought to recognize right now a lot of people are questioning their integrity. >> thanks for your time. that's all for this evening.
but it's also the limits because the constitution of course is there to protect everyone not only the majority and in this case where commitments that italy has taken on the international stage and also there is the duty of the president to protect the savings of the talents that have been probably g'kar dies in the last few weeks since the spread between the. bombs and the german bombs skyrocketed after the program of these new parties was published all right so if i understand correctly of the president it forms is part of the checks and balances system in the talian government the to your point though italy has traditionally been one of the most federalist member states of the e.u. a proponent of ever closer european integration we have of course the treaty of rome after all has that all been up ended. well i think in the last few years there has been a very serious issue that europe has shaved in managing which is the issue of
immigration italy as being of course it only has almost eight thousand kilometers of shores in the mediterranean sea and we've been the of course the arrival point of many people who were not longing to come to europe it's usually they were long to come to europe but easily has been left alone with greece and with motor maybe to manage this flow of immigrants a lot of countries that receive huge help and huge monetary sustained support by the european union failed to keep their commitments and of course the need to immigration has been a big issue in the electoral campaign and of course europe has been felt this turned from one issue that we were managing on behalf of the twenty eight countries if there's not just eataly right so there was essential abandonment there's a sense of abandonment step along the italian electorate i just have thirty seconds
left so what next what does this all mean for italy and for europe of course this new government headed by got that only will go to the parliament and we'll look for it to get a confidence vote most likely this is not going to happen so we expect most likely do group to go back to elections in september or october thank you even scuffled author of talking to us from rome for spending time with us thank you very much now the prospect of an italian anti eurozone finance minister has had markets to rattled for a week and then i'll tell you how they responded to the latest news after the break right now i want to bring you up to speed with some of the other stories making news around the world. colombia is headed for a runoff presidential election in june after no candidate secured fifty percent of
the votes needed in sunday's ballot conservative first place even duke a will face off against a leftist former farkle rebel gustave petro u.k. has vowed to rewrite his the country's peace deal with the rebels saying it was too lenient u.s. authorities have declared a state of emergency in parts of maryland after communities were hit by severe flash floods and ellicott city the water carried away cars and engulfed homes and businesses one man is still missing it's the second major flood to hit the area and two years. malaysian officials have seized over a ton of crystal meth the largest seizure of the drug in the country's history of the hall was disguised as tea and shipped in a container for me in march it's been valued at eighteen million dollars six people have been arrested. now to paris where the whole roic efforts of an
undocumented immigrants from mali have earned him a fast track to french citizenship without missing a beat twenty two year old mahmoud to get some luck climbed up on the apartment block and plucked a toddler dangling from a balcony to safety well now the bravery of the real life spiderman has been honored by none other than the french president. with no thought for his own safety mamadou kasama begins to scale the facade of this apartment building in paris above him a child dangles from a ledge and a neighbor looks on helplessly unable to reach the little boy using his hands feet and sheer determination to get some of whose unself from balcony to balcony. within a minute the migrant from mali has reached and saved the four year old boy who was crying and had to inject food. french media claim the boy's father is being detained for parental neglect no wonder kasam has been compared to the fictional
here or spite of and and now he's been personally thanked and on it by french president and you michael. so i came out and i saw a child in the full face floor i didn't think about myself a tool. i ran across the road to save him. although i was said to be living illegally in france he's to be given french citizenship and he's been awarded for his courage. because i'm very happy as is the first time i've ever go anything like this before so thank you he will go along with you. back outside the apartment a neighbour's can't believe dishonest bravery. because now you have because it was impressive it's not something that you see every day and that's why people were impressed he said when he came from far away to rescue someone who comes from here . for us in the neighborhood it's something that makes us very happy.
and to make the most of this climbing and rescuing skills to some is also landed himself a job to working with the fire brigade. now for parents that's the stuff of nightmares for more on the care of the day to w.'s the family we said joins me now from the french capital paris his actions there could be compared to those of a garden angel he was right there at the right moment but is it true that not everybody welcomed the honor bestowed obeidi of president on. well obviously he's being criticized because i am on a kong one he says we need to on of this person and give him french nationality but on the other hand at the same time the government is pushing through a very very tough immigration no law that will shorten delays for immigrants to apply for asylum and also increase the time that can be put into custody before
being pushed out of the country so he's been criticized for that because it looks like he's trying to steal the limelight from this hero whereas in general he will not be around the same owner obviously to all the other immigrants who are hoping to have a future in france right that's actually a very good point that you're making there because i mean this is a great story where the great outcome and we don't want to take away if anything from the horrific acts actions so that took place but it begs the question is it do immigrants now have to perform heroic acts to secure a residency permit or citizenship in france absolutely you could very you're very right to ask that question and many people here are wondering that especially as this president is actually tightening the grip on migrants a lot more than his predecessor on the socialist president and for example police
apply. this applies for men and women or persons. all people. no man is needed. >> tucker: isn't there a man in the word woman? >> call me a person, i would be less offended. no need for woman. >> tucker: the revolution always heats itself, as we often put it. college exams are stressful. we counted on students to deal with that stress. at the university of utah, they have offered something else. they have a cry closet. so at first glance it seems confusing. college is the least stressful place. >> least stressful? >> sure, you go to class two hours a week and get drunk the
rest of the time? >> it's very stressful. they are learning, they are the future. these are citizens of tomorrow. and they are learning as much as they can. they are stressed as they can be. they need this bioenergyic way to get out their stress. they need a good cry. a cry closet to prepare to take the exams from everything they learned in the classes. >> tucker: we don't have time to define bioenergyic. does this suggest something about their health? if you are so stressed at taking a dumb test as a dumb school, aren't you on the edge of a breakdown? >> don't we all need a good old fashioned cry? it's just about crying. ten minutes of crying. everyone needs a stress ball. many people own stress balls. this is an interpretation of a giant stress ball. >> tucker: let's say we had a
war, i don't know, pick a country, china. challenge us where we had to mobilize a large of americans to defend the homeland. but everyone is crying. would anybody be left to fight the war? can you really defend a country if you are encouraging kids to cry about final exams? >> this is about psychological help. if everyone take as moment aside to just center themselves, ground themselves, have a cry, maybe for two, three minutes, and then go fight that war, i'm sure the war would be won with people in a great state of mind. >> tucker: could you take a break between battles to cry? >> the break would have to be done before the battle. but they would be in the right mindset that they would win that battle. that's what this whole closet is about. it's about getting that right state of mind. >> tucker: would you want to use a closet others have cried in? >> i don't think i would have a problem with it.
sounds cozy. google has done this. they have created ping-pong tables where people can let off steam. >> tucker: if a cry closet is called for, how about a petting disco, a bunny stroking station. >> if people are comfortable and work better after being centered and calmer, then why not, bring the bunnies in. >> tucker: let me ask you a macro point. i thought the idea was to get people to come out of the closet. now you are saying people go back in the closet. >> go in for ten minutes, get that cry so you can come out confidently and feel good. you might want to go into that cry closet right before a show and have a great show afterwards. >> tucker: this is like television, you don't want to be too honest. >> i am honest with you.
>> tucker: if you knew a man, i could date that man, he says i'm sorry, i got to cry in a closet while squeezing a stuffed animal. >> i'm going to center myself so i can be a stronger, better person for you, yeah, i would love that person. i think that's great. it's healthy. who doesn't want to be with a healthy person. >> tucker: part of you would look on and say you weepy little freak, stop crying. >> what a strong person who understands themselves or he-self or whatever pronoun. >> tucker: i don't believe you for a second. i think you want to think that, this is wholesome, consistent with my ideology. on a gut level you would say stop wimperring. >> every place has a cry closet, it can be the bathroom at some
means. everyone needs a cry closet. everyone needs a way to relieve stress and tension. >> tucker: up ahead, we have plenty more highlights from the liberal sherpa. we'll visit her defensively of getting consent from babies before changing their diapers. stay tuned. there's little rest for a single dad, and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.
otherwise, they could grow up to tolerate sexual assault. human babies can't consent to anything. they can't do anything, they are babies. cathy areu thought it was a great idea. so consent for diaper changing from babies. this raises the obvious, practical question, how would a baby give consent? >> well, the idea isn't exactly -- the baby isn't going to say yes or no, but give the baby a few moments, talk to the baby, is it okay, i'm going to change your nappy, she's australian. >> tucker: you wouldn't say that to an american baby. >> it's teaching consent. teaching autonomy. i'm not going to touch your body if you don't want me to. like talking to a baby about anything, mommy loves you, daddy
loves you. why wouldn't the concept of talking to a people about doing something so serious, changing a diaper, be so ridiculous. >> tucker: you don't expect a baby to respond in a way that you can understand. again, how do you know what consent looks like? let's just do a little role playing. >> i'm the baby. >> tucker: and i say i'm going to make this change. and how do you express your consent or lack of consent? >> well, i well, if i start cry, something is wrong. you wouldn't want to make diaper changing that goes along with crying. you want me to be in a healthy state of mind. in the future, when it comes to those things, i would be a well adjusted adult. >> tucker: maybe the child is crying because his diaper is
dirty. >> yeah, obviously. the parent would have to be the best judge of that. if you make me cry, you ask me and i started crying, you should take the hint. >> tucker: would it be like an eye gesture. you are a mom. can you read their facial he can presses and know what they are saying? >> ericsson said, a baby expert, from 0 to 2 are the trust years. you want the baby to trust you. nothing wrong with talking to a baby and those situations, teaching a baby how to trust. this is a moment where you are teaching your baby to trust you. i don't think the baby is supposed to give consent. you are just teaching the baby to trust you. you are asking the baby to express bodily autonomy.
>> tucker: what if the child keeps saying no, like over a period of weeks, and you keep going in there, i would like to change the diaper, child refuses consent, that becomes neglect. >> teaching, talking about it during that moment. so many parents do not discuss it and the baby, they are not even used to talking about those things. so they are constantly teaching trust. it's trust issues. >> tucker: you don't discuss anything with a baby. >> you discuss everything with a baby. i'm going to put this lotion on your arm. i'm going to dress you. parents talk all day long. >> tucker: how about a polio vaccine, smallpox? >> you have to give consent. you can't give organs if you can't give consent. dead people with make decisions.
>> tucker: how do they do that? >> you don't have to give consent after you have died. people should always give consent if their body is going to be touched. >> tucker: right. so if the child says no -- the baby indicates by crying or rolling his eyes, i don't want a polio vaccine, you don't give him a polio vaccine? >> it's the idea of discussing it with the baby. the consent isn't the issue, it's the idea. >> tucker: so even if the baby says no, no doesn't really mean no is what you are saying. >> the baby can't talk during the diaper years. >> tucker: a baby's no doesn't mean no. where does the obedience part come in? is there any part where the child learns to obey what you say or is it a give or take, a colloquy with a mute person?
>> it's a conversation, talking to the baby. it's not disciplining. >> tucker: is there a point where the baby says, mom, please stop talking. >> or dad. >> tucker: go ahead and change the diaper. i don't think most dads would go for this hey, parent, stop talking. >> i don't think they can respond. i am touching your body. you should have the right to say yes or no. i'm going to teach that concept right now during the trust years. >> tucker: i like the concept that kids do what they are told. do what we tell you to do. why stop at diapers? irdiapers?our cathy areu convern
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produced a guide for gender pronounce they included x, y, z, yo. i want to walk you through these. i know soon i will be forced to participate at gun point. >> it's not forced at gun point. >> tucker: if recent history is any precedent, we are laughing now. how would i ask the following sentence. did she enjoy herself at the party? >> did zee enjoy zerself at the party. >> tucker: sound like henry kissinger. >> many universities have put out these pronoun guides.
>> tucker: i'm tracking with this now. let's try the sentence. she cooks dishes using ingredients she has grown in her yard. >> it would be zhe cooks dishes using ingredients zee has grown in zer yard. >> tucker: great job. we are going to move on now to co and cost. translate this sentence. he asked himself whether his gender pronounces were confusing. >> co asked co-self whether co gender pronounces were
confusing. >> tucker: how would i say his car broke down so he had to walk here by himself. >> zee had to walk here by zer self. >> tucker: and this is different how? >> accepted by the lgbt university. from california to georgia have accepted these and added them to their pronounce usage grammar books. >> tucker: i know members of that community never heard of this. we'll try one last one. my producer promised me this is real. it's yo. they promise this is real. >> this is real. >> tucker: yo is for he and she. ya is him or her. yoself is for himself or herself. she better leave now if she
wants to make her flight in time? >> yo better leave now if yo want to make your flight on time. yo's flight on time. pers you can choose which ever you are comfortable with. there are many pronouns. >> tucker: the purpose of language is communicate mutually agreed upon definitions. if i replace language that's dumber, less precise and embarrassing, how does it forward the purpose of language itself? >> smarter, not offensive and forward-thinking, i think, is the way we would be correctioning our language. >> tucker: you are right. identify forgotten the underlying assumption that all change is good. >> all change is good, language
does change. in 50 years, this is just going to be automatic, we are not going to think twice. the transgender community has embraced this. it's not a question of grammar. >> tucker: there is no community. can i just say, because i can't resist, if i wake up and find out i have been drafted into some community, i'm going to resist because the only community i'm a part of is my family. does anybody say i'm not part of your community? >> that's the beauty of this. you can be part of a community, you don't have to be part of a community, you can be who you want to do. you can say you don't want a pronoun. >> tucker: everything is monday torre. all change is good, everything is mandatory. those are the two rules we now live by. pronouns aren't the only thing, during prom season a high school student in utah dared to wear a
chinese-style dress despite not being chinese. that's a war crime, as you know. cathy areu came on the set to set her straight. >> tucker: does this mean chinese people are wearing neckties, which is a western invention, are they committing that? >> she's exploiting it. she is taking advantage of a culture she doesn't know much about. i don't think a chinese businessman doesn't understand western culture. she had no idea what the dress meant and didn't appreciate it. her comment was it's just an "f"-ing dress. >> tucker: so assimilations, is the process of cultural
appropriation. i come in and take parts of your culture and make them my own, i adopt your culture. now the idea is everyone stays in their own culture and hates the other culture. >> she didn't do this to assimilate. she wanted to get as much fame as she could and step right now. >> tucker: let me ask you this. when someone from dubai flies on an airplane which was invented by the wright brothers, why isn't that -- gets on the plane and has a glass of champagne and doesn't think of the contribution of these ohio brotherrer ins to flight? that's not cultural appropriation? >> they are not hurting anyone and they are not offending anyone by doing so. when she put on that dress, she hurt and offended others. >> tucker: she really hurt them.
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yoga is racist. how is that? >> according to this article, many white people who do yoga, many white people do yoga, few understand the culture, history and religion behind yoga. they are enjoying it for the physical aspects of it. they are not truly understanding yoga and what it goes back to. they need to if they want to appreciate it. if not, they are getting into this viewpoint of white supremacy. >> tucker: if yoga is racist, is hot yoga more racist or less? >> all western yoga is racist, according to this author, according to this professor. yoga practiced in india has nothing to do with the yoga practiced in the western world. >> tucker: what about pilates? >> it wasn't discussed. it's being practiced by white
people, white upper class. not maineer minorities. this is a white sport. >> tucker: that's suspect. call the police. what about taekwondo? >> she has a problem with the yoga in industrial, i think it was yoga industrial complex. that's what she called it. the yoga industrial complex. falls under that. >> tucker: if it's wrong for people in the west to practice yoga, is it wrong for the rest of the people to use the internet? >> we understand the internet. it doesn't go back to what yoga did to introduce them to yoga and their culture was intelligent. that was part of the movement, when it came to the united
states. so the internet would not. >> tucker: what about like democracy? that was invented by the greeks in the west, basis of western civilization. >> no, no, no. yoga was a way for the indians to show colonizers to show they were intelligent. >> tucker: it predates the british by quite a bit. i was interested, how many people who are into yoga in the united states do you think voted for donald trump? >> oh, well, the author didn't touch upon that. >> tucker: what's your guess. someone who is very familiar with non--trump voters, would you say maybe 1% of people who practice yoga voted for trump or is that too high? >> according to the author, many upper and middle class white women practice yoga. so many of those people voted
for trump. >> tucker: are you struck by the fact that that series of descriptors, upper middle class, white, like that's kind of the whole argument on the left. anything that has those words attached, it's bad just because, and anything that doesn't is superior to that? >> yeah, according to this article, those are the people who practice yoga and do not understand immigrants and minorities and what they are going through, perhaps have more privilege and able to experience yoga and other things that other groups cannot experience. >> tucker: last question. in a multicultural society, which we live in, i'm for the basic principle, cool things with other cultures and you should enjoy them, when did the rules change? we live in a multicultural society, but you are not allowed to enjoy things from other cultures? >> don't stop doing yoga. but if you do it, understand you
are understanding an 8th of it. understand what people went through to introduce this to from you their culture to your culture. so having appreciation, don't just take advantage, buy the yoga gear and take advantage of this. >> tucker: i suspect downward dog is less difficult if you are hating you yourself. >> i don't think they hate themselves. >> tucker: up next, the blast from the past. the time cathy areu said we shouldn't call breastfeeding natural. it could undermine feminism. that's next.
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>> tucker: well, a study last year in the journal pediatrics said it's unethical to call breastfeeding. coupling nature with motherhood can support biologically deterministic arguments about roles of men and women in the family, which is in sane. fortunately for us, cathy areu is not most people. here's how she described it. >> tucker: this is interesting, people inserting politics. why it would be controversial to call breastfeeding natural.
>> breastfeeding doesn't come natural. there is a whole industry out there. breastfeeding isn't exactly natural. it doesn't come naturally to women. what they are saying, there is a study letting people off this guilt trip. only a woman able to feed a child is inappropriate. it's unethical and inappropriate. i'm so glad women are let off the hook, finally. >> tucker: it's not unethical or inappropriate. it's the opinion of some physicians that breast milk is superior to form l.a. it's a debate that'formula.it suggestsa different role in motherhood than men, they do because they
are on the only people capable of bearing children? >> women are not the only ones who can feed the children. that's what they are trying to say. it's natural for others to feed the children. the whole burden is not on the mother. that's what they are trying to say. >> tucker: first of all, of course that's true. of course. the decision -- i don't think women are stupid. >> i interviewed a pediatrician that when a child starving for two weeks, she was not able to produce breast milk for two weeks. she refused to give the baby that formula for fear. >> tucker: that's a fair point. that's a shame when people feel like there is no alternativement perhaps there are some. that's not what's really going on here. this is gender politics intruding on the personal
decisions that parents make. it's also blurring the lines, it's suggesting, by the way, that men can breast feed, which they can't. i don't think they can, can me? >> i don't know. >> tucker: i do now, the answer is they can't. i have four children. >> what they are saying is that men can feed children. they are putting a study that saying breast milk is not the only way to go. >> tucker: can you take three steps back? >> no. >> tucker: and acknowledge, there is something awful about inserting gender politics into something as beautiful and intimate as the first days of a child's life? maybe parents can say back off. >> breastfeeding is not beautiful t causes so many headaches. it doesn't come naturally for so many women. so this study is wonderful, women can step back and say,
wow, it's okay to hand the bottle and the baby over to dad or my girlfriend or whatever the case may be. >> tucker: half of that sentence is correct. it's okay to do that. i'm wondering, final question for you, because this is giving a little bit of headache. the whole subject is so crazy. if it's not natural to breast feed, how did the species get to where it is now? why didn't we die out several millennia to go? >> we found other ways like formula to feed the babies. >> tucker: in the medieval periods, where did you get it? >> it's been going on for the last ten years. our mothers weren't exactly into breast feeds, you have the fix r feminism, you had the revolution. it's not always been the answer. >> tucker: i'm glad my kids are old enough to weigh into this stuff. a 30-year-old son refused to
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michael loves his mom. he wants to be with his mom. what is wrong with that? he loves his parents and he is normal. he is not ready to move on. you would think his parents would welcome him there. his mom would want to be a good mom. >> tucker: you think at age 30 you are not ready to leave your mom's basement where are you ready to drive car or drink alcohol or serve in uniform? >> we don't know if he does any of those things. he is not ready to leave his mom. it's not a basement. it's a bedroom. >> tucker: sorry! i didn't mean to impugn his character. >> right. what is wrong with loving your mother. maybe she would want to live in his bedroom in his house. maybe michael will have a mansion thanks to their support. if they didn't spend money on
him and not on lawyers. >> tucker: if you love something, you get it for free. if i love a rolex watch, do i get it for free? if i really love it. >> this is a parent does a child. you are always a parent. she is always a mom. he is always a son. they should always love each other. they should not hire lawyers and go against each other in court as the mother did. >> tucker: but what i loved the watch and i need to know what time it is. okay? i love that watch. why would they call the cops on me if i take it? >> it's about responsibility. she gave birth to the child. you didn't give birth to the watch. >> tucker: that's true. >> this mother gave birth to the child. it's her responsibility. it's good for society for her to take care of this child. her child and make sure her child is ready to face the
world. >> tucker: you can't age out of this arrangement. once you are born, you have a moral and legal right to sponge off your parents forever? >> i don't think it's sponging off. michael loves his mommy and wants to be with her until he is ready. >> tucker: are you concerned about the explosion of man-children in our society? is that good for women? >> women and men, 18 to 35 are living at home with their parents. a 3rd of millennials live at home with their parents. it's make america great again. >> tucker: it's a sad, brave new world. cathy, great to see you. thank you. that's all for tonight's special liberal sherpa edition of "tucker carlson tonight."
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>> reporter: trump jr. testified he never told his father about the meeting. when asked, did you inform your father about the meeting or prior to the meeting? trump jr. responded, no, i was not. when he was later asked why he didn't share news? i wouldn't tell him anything until i knew what was myself. last year he testified before two congressional meetings. a source familiar tells cnn, he did not testify trump had any advance only in of the meeting. now his attorney rudy guiliani is attacking the credible. >> man is a liar a proven liar. there is no way you will bring down the president of the united states on the testimony uncorroborated of a proven liar. i germany tee you, this guy is a proven liar. >> reporter: when just a few weeks ago, guiliani seemed to have plenty of faith in con's truthfulness. >> if he believes it's in his
>> reporter: no, they're not. but i think in this sort of lexicon of international diplomacy, which mr. putin who is usually a sticker is referring to tlrk he wants to see progress on what happens what was or ran agreed. he wants to see progress at official levels on for example syria on perhaps cooperation and a number of other areas that were touched on at helsinki, possibly more people getting into the long grass and starting to work out so that when they did have a future summit, there would be something substantive to talk about. >> that is my interpretation of what those conditions may mean.
but a very interesting development indeed, thank you. now, here's another one involving russia. a u.s. senate democrat says she's the victim of a cyber hack and guess who she blames? russia. senator claire mccaskill who says the attempt was not successful had some strong words for the russian president. >> we discovered it because microsoft contacted the senate and then the senate personnel let us know. so we have been aware of it for this month. >> has everyone been made aware? >> i will not be intimidated. i said many times putin is a thug and a bully and he is somebody who does not allow the people of russia to have freedom. >> incidents like that are why u.s. president trump held a meeting of the national security council. he received updates about the
media about the relationship between trump and putin. but on the other hand, i think to some extent, president trump looks at other optics, which has to do with his political base. i think there is a broader geopolitical mood going on as well. i think we should try to keep an eye on that, too. because i think u.s. russian relations seen in a broader context then bring in other challenges or peer competitors to the united states like china. i think that may be an area we need to explore somewhat more. >> president trump talks about the importance of closer ties to russia. do you get a sense, you mentioned a geopolitical move. do you get a sense of what he is really wanting to achieve with a closer tie? >> it was a very interesting interview with henry kissen ger
in the "time's" a week ago. he has a particular style and skill where he could do with more work. i think there is an underlying strategy. but his ability to explain it in a matter that might build up a border constituency for it is probably lacking. i do think there is a desire to drive a wedge between russia and china in order to assure the eurasia line mass running through to europe isn't kind of a unified block, which effectively gives transportation, trading and other links, a kind of land route from the far east to what you can call the far west. i think that's a chris him that wants to be exploited. i expect the discussions are, what is the price that president putin may want to extract, in order to be able to sort of cut
loose a bit from china and flow is lost a little bit with the united states. >> it's so interesting, isn't it? the tracks that you are seeing. we got this track that you are discussion and the track of the russian investigation ongoing and trump's lawyer may be flipping and have some information that perhaps mr. trump did know about that infamous meeting involving russians and that could turn this significantly. could it not? if it is true in. >> well, absolutely. i think the amount of pressure which is coming from within the kind of beltway politics. this is largely where this remains. i'm not sure how vast they are moved by these things, but it is keeping that had minstration under pressure and each side, the republicans and the democrats, are trying to manage the optics of it as well,
neither wants to be seen obstructing justice or impeach president trump, but at the same, each one will keep the other unstable. i think there is a geopolitical chris him there, too much i think there is a disagreement about this broader geopolitical strategy and the degree to which russia is left off the hook in ukraine, georgia and elsewhere. i think there is a disagreement there. and i think this other thing, of course, 2016 and the election and the defeat of the democrats. i think there is still a kind of a desire to continue the strategy of that election by the democrats going into 2020 and blaming external interference plays a domestic function as well. >> we always appreciate your insights. my goodness, we'll have an opportunity to talk with you again for sure. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. well, massive wildfires rage in
california, reducing entire neighborhoods to piles of ash. we'll show and we'll talk about where this is happening coming up here. also, u.s. president trump is excited about the latest economic indicators. some think his excitement might be short lived. we'll go beyond the numbers coming up here on cnn "newsroom."
house when they moved up from san jose right before i was born. everyone else that helped us put so much work into this house, i can't believe it's gone. you know, all those memories, you know, childhood memories. >> a victim there of a massive car fire in northern california, since erupting monday, it has consumed 20,000 hectares, 48,000 acres. two people have died, 500 structures destroyed. authorities believe a malfunctioning vehicle started this still out of control fire. california governor has asked president trump to send federal assistance for the communities impacted by the fire. that's just one of self burning in california and elsewhere all around the world. >> reporter: the devastation is beginning to set in for people
in redding, california the aptly named car fire officials say first sparked by a vehicle has ravaged the region since monday and doubled in side in just the last 12 hours. >> it's then out a lot. >> reporter: deadly and out of control, it has charred some 45,000 acres as firefighters try to contain it. >> wow! >> reporter: in some areas, the difference of a home spared and scorched is a few feet. >> we don't know what we're grand jury to do tomorrow, we don't know what we're going to do tonight. >> reporter: they never imagined they see their fire like this. >> we didn't think the fire was going to come here so we didn't take things out. like everybody else scrambling at the last minute when we saw the fire on the ridge. >> reporter: officials say strong temperatures and winds make this fire all the more fee, it is one of three major blazes burning across the state. >> this is that new normal, that
unpredictability, large growth fires. >> reporter: sadly scenes like this are the new normal world wide, in greece, experts say extreme summer heat accelerated the fire that turned these iconic white hill sooisd black with ash. the flames rose so quickly, some families rose into the sea for relief. >> the temperatures were so high, so normal. they could do anything as you can see, houses, cars, everything destroyed. >> reporter: the greek fires claim more than 80 lives so far, in just the last few weeks, more than 3400 daily high temperature records have been broken or tied, including unprecedented numbers in the north. montreal canada at 82. in sahara desert, they packed at 124 degrees this month. so are we ready for triple digit temperatures and consequences to go from extreme to expected?
if are you in redding, the answer is no. >> it seems part of my heart is gone. >> reporter: as can you see the fire continues to smoldner faces and folks are bracing for more potential problems as the area remains under a red flag warning. derek is here to talk more about these fires the two words that stuck out for me in that report are new normal. this is the near normal to that mart of the world. >> and climate change. even though we can't directly pin these individual events on climate change, what we as meteorologistsed on scientists around the world are recognizing, all these things are occurring more frequently. so the fingerprints there of climate change definitely quite invisible. all right. so let's re-visit the car fire,
because this is just an incredible fire to see burning. this could be your house. this could be my house. anyone watching today, it's difficult to see these fires, especially at night. there is a 30,000 foot plume of smoke that's cast over northern california just from this particular fire that's led to the evacuation of just under 40,000 residents there the california national guard has soldiers and airmen currently fighting the fire. let me take you to another fire just outside of los angeles. this is the cranston fire. could you believe it, authorities believe this was set by an arsonist. look at all the fires approaching these homes. not what we want to see. let's go to the details. you will start to see the three fires a car fire and 5% containment. some better numbers for the cranston fire.
it looks as if firefighters are getting a handle. it is hot. we're talking triple digit heat today. >> that will last through the course of the weekend. it will make it difficult for the fire to be put out and extinguished. in terms of largest fires, it doesn't register on our top ten list, that puts that into perspective, remember thomas fire in ventura county. that was over 110,000 hectares. there are 89 large wildfires amongst an extreme heat wave that continues. there has been some relief in california. look at the sacramento valley. still we have heat advisorys and warnings. triple digit heat continues and really there is no ryan i sign of letting up from this extreme heat. so, natalie, i'm sure you can see where i'm going with this,
the fires will endure as long as that red you see on the map continues to build. >> yeah, absolutely. and our next story illustrates how the extreme heat is affecting all kind of ways of life. extreme heat in southeast england is causing long delays tore people traveling under the channel to france. the brutal heat wave is making things miserable in western uniform it's not letting up. how it also fueled the devastating wildfire in greece and sweden. >> the fires have gone, but the devastation remains. an eerie silence has fallen in this village where houses once today. now they're just charred remains. nothing was spared, authorities believe arson was to blame. >> this is the first time so for my service seeing so much
catastrophe from the fire. >> reporter: as the blaze tore through the coastal village, many sought refuge in the water. many didn't make it. dozens died. almost 200 were injured. >> i feel a pain in my heart, a very heavy load. a very big burden. >> reporter: greece is not alone. across europe, tinder dry conditions combined with a scorching heat wave are stretching emergency services to the limit n. sweden a fire front continues to burn out of control even the country's air force has been deployed to help, dropping a bomb to starve a nearby fire of oxygen. >> it is not something we've done before, so we have been working closely with the rescue leader. we have done meticulous calculations. >> germany, too, is dealing with
its own fire, including one that forced the major roadway. amid sweltering temperatures, firefighters in cologne are being used to water the trees. in berlin the water cannon usually reserved for riot control has been brought out. this time, though, it's to keep the heat at bay. erin mclaughlin, cnn, london. >> we are moving from one extreme to another. japan is bracing for a powerful typhoon that can dump up to 500 millimeters of rain. the storm is threatening to unleash its heaviest rainfall around the region around tokyo. officials warn it could hit the western parts of the country where more than 200 people were killed by deadly flooding and landslides earlier this month. all of this comes while a heat wave grips japan with record
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live from atlanta. i'm natalie allen. firefighters are trying in hot conditions to battle the fire, two people have been killed and it's only 5% contained. the deaths consumed nearly 20,000 hectares, that's more than 48,000 acres. japan is prepare foing for type. the storm expected to hit the region around tokyo the hardest. officials warn it can pass of person japan where more than 200 people were killed by flooding and landslides. on top of all that, they're having a heat wave in japan. chinese president xi jinping is finishing off a trip in south african the leaders there promise more open and multi-lateral trade. they introduced to support the paris climate change agreement.
russian president vladimir putin says he is ready to visit washington. however that invitation has been pushed to next year. he invited the u.s. president to moscow but said any meetings between them must have what he calls necessary conditions. the u.s. economy is firing on all cylinders. the president on friday was very happy to take credit for that. but over shadowing the event is donald trump's denial again he had advanced only in of a 2016 meeting at trump tower between his top campaign advisers and russians. here's more about it from cnn's jeff zeleny. >> on a sun splashed morning at the white house a cause for celebration. >> i am clild to announce that in the second quarter of this year, the united states economy grew at the amazing rate of 4.1%. >> the president trumpeting the
soaring economy. >> these numbers are very, very sustainable. this isn't a one-time shot. >> for a few moments at least the controversy swept aside. the president hailing north korea for handing of what are the remains of killed troops. >> at this moment the plane is carrying the remains of some great fallen heroes from america back from the korean war, they're coming back to the united states. >> reporter: in most presidencies, it would be a banner way to end the week. but in this one, so many other questions are looming. for the third straight day the president not answering questions about his long-time protector michael cohen turning against him. the white house grappling with fallout from the helsinki summit. where the president sided with vladimir putin over the
intelligence community that believes russia interfered with the 2016 election. after downplaying the threat only a week ago. >> is russia still targeting the u.s., mr. president? in there make your way out. >> reporter: meanwhile the next dance over the trump-putin meeting continued. after the white house talks about a meeting next year. putin made a statement today. >> we are ready to invite mr. trump to moscow to be my guest. he has such an invitation. i will go to washington. i repeat if the right conditions for work are created. >> reporter: sarah sanders said he is feeling it is possible to go based on his -- >> who is the week like?
>> upbeat. broad. >> reporter: jeff zeleny, cnn. the white house. >> jeff just mentioned the new economic numbers. they show the economy grew at its fastest rate since 2014. in the last few months, the annualize gdp surge is a result of several factors. this is investment row as companies invested some of the money they saved from tax cuts. consumer spending and government both increased and concern over a trade war helped, too. u.s. exports rose as foreign buyers stocked up on american products before they were hit with tariffs. if the economy gross at 3% for the entire year, it will be the highest growth since 2005. >> during each of the two previous administrations we averaged just over 1.8% gdp growth. by contrast with renow on track to hit an average gdp annual
growth of over 3% and it could be substantially over 3%. each point, by the way, means, approximately $3 trillion and 10 million jobs. >> here's how these numbers stack up against the lyft three administrations. earlier we spoke to an expert on how to look at this current economy. >> i think there is two big thing people should be looking at. one is what will happen with these tariffs and trade wars. i think that is actually the biggest risk factor we are facing for the markets and the economy. it can be just as little as the threat of a trade war that can
make people and businesses pull ba back. the second thing is interest rates. what will happen to interest rates? are they going to continue to go up? and at what point do short-term rates get higher than long-term rates? that's interest rate inversion. when that happens, you see this very predictable pattern of the stockmarket basically hitting its peak within six months. another six months after that bottoming out. it's almost like clockwork. more women are making accusations regarding the "me too movement." the "new yorker" magazine is reporting sexual allegations among the most powerful men. the article sites incidents of unwanted advanced, intimidation and retaliation involving six women. cnn have not independently
confirmed the allegations. >> guys, it's been likened to a nuclear bomb ripping through hollywood. six women now accuse leslie moonves, the allegations go back decades as they all follow a similar pattern. these woman say he invited them into his office at one point and forced himself upon them. within they rebuffed his advances, these women say he used his position of power to effectively harm their kreempca. one coming from illyaen na douglas. she says she was fired from a cbs project because she did not agree to moonves' advance, both moonves and cbs are casting doubt. moonves does acknowledge he made some advances decades ago that
may have made some women feel uncomfortable. he says, i recognize there were times decades ago when i may have made some women uncomfortable by making advance, those were mistakes. i regret them immensely, i abided by the principle that no means no, i have never misused my position to harm or hinder anyone's career. cbs cast more doubt on the story saying cbs takes each report of misconduct very seriously. we do not believe, however the picture created in the "new yorker" does the best to treat its tens of thousands of employees with dignity and respect. now the cbs board of directors before this story came out and were aware of the allegations said that they would be looking into the charges. they would take every allegation seriously and they would come back and respond once they had had a chance to review all of
the details. >> that is a response we will likely not get until next week. meanwhile, moonves own wife is standing by him, calling him a good man a caring father and an inspiring corporate leader. guys, back to you. >> we are going to turn now to pakistan. there is still no final vote round, imran khan and his movement for justice party have declared victory. but every other major party says the election was rigged. some are threatening pro test unless there is new starle help is seen as a military favorite. here's what his opponents, though, are saying. >> reporter: the all parties conference versus unanimously rejected this election. we do not consider this election to be the mandate of the public.
we reject the claims of those people claiming victory as a result of this election. we do thought want to give them the right of governance. >> the european union has also cast doubt on wednesday's vote. eu observers say there are signs of a systematic effort to undermine the governing party. they urge any challenge to the election be done legally. an outspoken critic of this election knows khan right well. she's a journalist and one of imran khan's ex-wives. here's what she is telling cnn about the man who would be prime minister. >> he is the ideal puppet because when he wants something so desperately and you have been repeatedly in public compromising on ideology. this was the thing with us as well. lot of people say why the breakup in what happened? i keep telling them i couldn't
compromise on principles. i couldn't talk about you talk about anti-corruption, but there are corrupt people in your party. you talk about chrony-ism and what is happening with the person disqualified. the supreme court has taken the decision. you saw him in the speech that happened yesterday. so chrony-ism, corruption, he's let us down on so many occasions. >> we'll continue to follow developments in that disputed election in pakistan. more than 30 minute ago gra migrants made it to spain, the migrant as you see right there jumped off their raft on to a beach and scattered into the sand dunes, curious sun bathers looking on the breach is near the state of gibraltar.
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faith with the court order the american civil liberties union demand that be allowed to stay in the u.s. here's what an aclu attorney said friday. >> to not have these parents and children go the rest of their lives thinking they have been separated solely because the parent didn't understand a form. what we are hearing is the forms were often given to them in english. sometimes it was a group presentation where the parent had one to four minutes to figure out. didn't believe they could ask questions. >> that would be outrageous if parents are sent back to their country and the children are left here because they didn't understand the form. it's remarkable the united states going is going to hold people to lose their child based on confusion or after all these months of keeping these children separated they are unwilling to give seven days to allow these parents to make a decision that's literally life altering.
>> my goodness. philadelphia's mayor said friday his city will not renew the agreement with the u.s. immigration enforcement agency to share a key city law enforcement database known as pars. there they admitted the use of pars in i.c.e. could result if immigration enforcement against philadelphia residents who have not been acaused of nor committed of a crime. it instills near e fear in the community and make it more difficult for the police department to report crimes. we could not in good conscience allow the agreement to continue. >> we are learning about a growing number of police calls over several years at migrant shelters. this is according to investigative non-profit pro hub licka. their numbers go back to 2014
the group looked at 70 immigrant youth shelters run by health and human services and here's what they found. police responded to at least 125 calls in the past five years alleging sex offenses at shelters. police reports and call logs also document allegations of fights and children missing. cnn was not able to obtain the data they used in its report independently. we reached out to some of the shelters but with no response. some responded to pro publica, though, health and human services gave this statement. quote, our focus is always on the safety and best interests of each child. these are vulnerable children, in difficult circumstances and hhs treats its responsibility for each child with the utmost care. any allegation of abuse or neglect is taken seriously and
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tape is this. >> you don't have a legitimate purpose. >> reporter: incontrovertible evidence of a thirsty president living up to his reputation for a daily consumption of 12 diet coax, right? >> that's 144 ounces of president's fuel. >> reporter: you'd be surprised. my favorite part is get mae coke, please. others rank up from with mom the meatloaf from "wedding crashers." there were comparisons to jfk, my fellow americans. >> ask not what your country can do for you. >> reporter: but there was one thing that got the most comments that contradiction found pleasing. wow, he said please, he said please? must be a fake. trump says please to the help, that's my president. he hasn't always been
complimentary about his favorite beverage tweeting i have never seen a thin person drinking diet coke. i will still keep drinking that garbage. jimmy fallon downed his favorite dozen. >> the american dream is dead, bing, bing, bong and dat. and god bless the united states. >> now we have the red button on his oval office for a coke. when he was a candidate he had to speak. >> give me a coke, please. >> reporter: as one commenter noted things, including hush money, go better with coke. ♪ things go better with coca-cola". >> reporter: jeanie mos, cnn, new york. >> well, i imagine coca-cola likes that free advertising. >> that is "newsroom." for everyone else, stay with us for "amanpour."
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job approval rating probably has seven or eight points, maybe even a little more of what i think of as 401(k) trumpers right now. i think there are people who are looking at their statements, people who are on the right side of the economic equation any way. they see their numbers going up for all sorts of reasons. and so they're willing to not really dive in to this russian novel story that no one can quite figure out. and they're willing to suspend their bizarrely in my view, but they are willing to suspend their ordinary moral judgments about how this president conducts himself and is now representing us on the world stage. but i would not, if i were in the white house, count on that lasting until 2020. >> we'll see. joe, your latest column in the washington post really speaks to this entitled trump finally
feels gravity's unforgiving poll and reads in part, quote, trump's stunning victory created such disorienting shock waves across washington that neither democrats nor republicans understood what the accidental president admitted to me a month after his win. the election could have been held 20 different times, but that was probably the one day i would have won. the president-elect said in december of 2016. everything came together at once. the resulting political horror show produced daily by trump has left journalists and politicians reeling but has failed to alter a few basic rules of politics. first, presidents with approval ratings in the low 40s lose their majorities in congress. second, kowtowing to ex-kgb agents erodes support with registered independents. third, lying about payoffs to a porn star and a playboy model rarely helps with swing-state voters. republicans hoping to save themselves from the political storm that will soon wipe away their congressional majorities
would be well served to speak out against trump's most destructive policies, which are anti-conservative, ill liberal and sure to bring doom to the once grand old party. party could be over. it could be. >> first of all, john, i'm very humbled to have my piece read on the "morning joe." >> well, it's a good piece. it's what we are talking about. >> this is your show. two of your's, but morning joe, that's you. >> well. >> so it's good that you get your pieces on your show. >> i also -- >> you have pull with the guys that run the place. >> that was somebody else. so, it does -- it seems that trump's victory was so shocking that i think a lot of pundits, a
lot of politicians, i think a lot of republicans have overstated his strength and his magical powers, his gravity-defying political powers. but at the end of the day, this man is still a 40% president. show me a 40% president, and i will show you a loser. no, no, no, i'm serious. show me a candidate that has -- by the way, his re-elect, his re-elect, according to the latest merit polls, his re-elect in michigan is 28%, in wisconsin it's 31%. show me a guy with a 30% re-elect. i will show you a loser. somebody that loses midterms and somebody that loses a re-election. i just think too often people
overstate his political strength because they were so shocked that he won last time. >> look, i think that's -- the shock is one thing. i think the degree to which his behavior and the ways in which he's departed from republican orthodoxy, various ways he's thrown washington into chaos, the fact that his base which is not 42%, his base is 35. the fact that those people are immovable even in the face of things that so many people object to strenuously causes us also to overfocus on the potency of the base. in the end, he's great to have a potent base. barack obama rested on his base. donald trump rested on his base and both of their bases are rock solid. again, 35, you're a loser. and even if you get those extra ones that meachum is talk about, push up to 40, 41, which is where he is right now. historically speaking that's a disaster for an inparty president, 40% approval rating, you're going to get wiped out in
the midterms if everything we know from history holds true again. >> jon meacham, my dad supported richard nixon and supported richard nixon until the final week. we were taught growing up that walter cronkite was a communist. my dad watched him and loved him. when he said that's the way it was, he believed that's the way it was but he still believed it was all a plot by "the washington post" and "the new york times" and walter cronkite and the mainstream media to take richard nixon down who they hated. and i remember the morning in 1974 where my dad was reading the newspaper and it's just like the scales fell off of his eyes all at once. and he may have said a couple of words that i can't repeat here, the second one was damn it. and then he said, if this man -- by the way, this is a guy my dad had worshipped since '52. if this man has done one third
of what they're saying he has done, he should be thrown in jail tomorrow. this is a disgrace. but he said that broken but after the tapes, there was no denying that richard nixon had acted abhorrently. >> well, this is the week. we're in the anniversary period between supreme court decision in which nixon had to turn over everything. he turns over the smoking gun tape where he's ordering the cia to block the fbi from investigating watergate, a conversation that took place i think on june 23rd. so within a week of the break-in. and we forget because in our movie-tone version of history, we naturally telescope everything. and so we think, break in. robert redford and nixon gets on the helicopter, right? that's kind of the popular
version of watergate. maybe howard baker pops in if you're from tennessee. what really happened was 27 months elapsed. congressional investigate, two special prosecutors, saturday night massacre, tapes dribble out, phrases like expletive deleted enter the conversation. and the fabled moment which is big among the npr left in the country which i love, there's a lot of liberals now who are saying, where is barry gold water when we need him, which is just -- we should all retire when people are saying that. what they mean is that goldwater and hugh scott and john rhodes went down to the white house and they told nixon he had to go. they did it on august 5th, after the tape came out and then nixon is gone by the 8th. so these things take time. i suspect your dad's expletive deleted remarks probably happened about this point in the
summer of '74. quickly to john's point, 34, 35%, that was joe mccarthy's national approval rating after the army hearings. if they take trump back to moscow in an orange jump suit, 35% of the country will be with him. that's just the way american politics works. >> one of the president's republican allies, congressman darrell isa says he doesn't think republicans will pay the price in the fall if the president has proven to have lied about the trump tower meeting. >> if he's proven to have not told the whole truth about the fact that campaigns look for dirt and if someone offers it, you listen to them. nobody is going to be surprised. there are some things in politics that you just take for granted. >> so you don't think this has anything long-term impact? he wouldn't be the first politician or president to misrepresent things? >> well, you know, businessmen
listen to almost everyone that might be helpful. by the way, they make pragmatic decisions about how to make bad stories go away. >> darrell issa, not my dad. in that case. first of all, so extraordinary. even in my little office as a member of congress, if somebody came to my chief of staff and said, hey, the russian government or the iranian government has some dirt on your opponent, my chief of staff would have said, hey, listen, we'll get back to you in a couple of days. what's your name again? what's your phone number? we'll call you back. would immediately call the fbi. would immediately call the fbi. this is not a close call. anybody out there thinking if you listen -- if that's what
darrell issa thinks, holy cow that is condemning. and here they keep moving the goal post for donald trump. they're lying about donald trump. donald trump didn't know. now if donald trump knew -- what's the big deal? no, nobody does this. nobody has ever done this. nobody has ever done this that i know of has gotten dirt on an opponent from a sworn enemy, russia, iran, you name it. >> never seen it in now almost unfortunately 30 years i've been doing this and covering republicans and democrats in the presidential races and other races. the thing i want to say about darrell issa just goes to the thing he's saying here which is that republicans aren't going to pay the price if it turns out that donald trump is lying. i just want to say that actions speak a lot louder than words. donald trump is retiring from congress, right? so he can spin a rosy scenario for how republicans won't pay any price for donald trump's behavior, but it seems like on the basis of his own political
calculations of what was going to happen in his own district, he may have had a different view of what the blood bath would look like this fall. >> donald trump has already lied about russian agents coming to his office. donald trump has already master mined the coverup on air force one where he lied and said that the meeting was about adoption, which by the way, over the weekend, a prosecutor said this is perfect to show the guilt, the conscious guilt at the time that something big happened in that room because you wouldn't lie about it if it was innocent. >> sure. but look, i think one of the problems we have here a little bit is that it's a bit of a he said/she said. giuliani was saying yesterday on a sunday show, there's five people who will say donald trump did not know about this russian meeting up against michael cohen. i was working in the washington bureau of the new york times in the summer of 1974, so i was sort of watching all this. meachum can contradict me, but
my recollection were the tapes were the defining moment because you heard him on tape saying this. so far i don't think we've quite seen these tapes from michael cohen. he can wiggle and twist his way out of every box people try to put him in. >> what's the end game for saying something like that? it's obviously clearly something you wouldn't want to support, the president lying about a meeting? >> lobbying money? their own personal self interest, constantly, that's all we see on display consistently. among republicans who are choosing to prop up these lies and to devalue truth and factual accuracy in the american public. and it's really disgusting. i can't believe that we're at the phase where, you know, the $12 billion bailout for agriculture because of a dumb policy decision and all of these so-called fiscal conservatives can just get behind it because they're going to go with trump
no matter what and we're just seeing where people really do not stand for much except the ideology of power. >> think about that really quickly. again, and ron johnson and i can't believe i'm quoting ron johnson because he backed down to donald trump over and over again. ron johnson correctly said this is soviet style economics. you adopt a stalin in five-year foreign policy. the five-year plan, right? and you have tariffs. you destroy the economy. and then you come in behind it and after destroying the economy for these farmers, you then prop them up with a $12 billion centralized state payoff after i just got to say a lot of farmers are already subsidized. like the big farm interests? so this is subsidy on top of subsidy on top of subsidy.
>> but we have to cut the deficit, joe. there's a lot of deficit in washington. >> absolutely none. still ahead, steve eluded to it a few moments ago, we have a full fact check of the president's economic claims that he made, and some of it starts with a simple google search. >> why don't people -- why don't my friends and family just turn on the google machine? just crank it up in the backyard -- >> as elise just said, the truth has been devalued. and people must not care. that's what this president has done. >> mika, i don't understand. so many of his lies, so many of his claims can be completely blown out of the water with 30 seconds and just, again, borrow your neighbor's google machine. >> they don't care. >> 30 seconds. and it is a proven lie. by the way, from a thousands different accurate sources. >> this president started off by saying, look at my crowd size, it's the biggest one, when it
was clearly the smallest and people didn't care. >> type in trump lie pops up. >> i give trump this, when he puts his mind to it, he's a master messenger and he has branded the media as the enemy of the people and took it up with the publisher of the new york times. >> that's right. >> when he is at the stage where he is comparing the u.s. press, the free press, to an enemy on the level of isis or al qaeda, that's a real problem for truth and accuracy. >> you are absolutely right. >> again, the truth is 30 seconds away. check out google. check out yahoo. check out whatever search site. >> got to care. >> msn, of course, yes. >> we'll get into "the new york times" aspect of this story in just a moment. first, let's go to bill karins on the check of the forecast. bill? >> joe f we can get people to do and this stop using your weather app on your phones to get the hourly forecast, we would be all set. >> he doesn't do that. he calls you. >> yeah, that would be smart. so the rain is already back in
the picture of a nice weekend for so many people from the ohio valley, great lakes to the east coast. the humidity is back, too. along with it, a rainy week. a lot of heavy rain this morning through eastern north carolina moving up through virginia, virginia beach, norfolk to richmond and it will arrive in d.c. and also towards baltimore this afternoon. philadelphia north wards the rain should hold off later this afternoon towards this evening. and this week is just like what we started with last week, it's going to get humid. we'll have on and off rain all week long for the east coast. how much rain? well, this is through friday. the next five days, two to four inches of rainfall the southeast all the way through the mid-atlantic. no reason to be watering the grass this week once again. here is the week ahead forecast. i will add, it stays hot in the west and stays dry and of course we have that car fire, six fatalities and the blaze still mostly unchecked. they're just trying to protect structures at this point. as we go throughout the week, the heat continues in the west too. summertime storms in the southeast. by the time we get to wednesday, here is all the heavy rain on
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>> so what you have to do is check them out and you get a sense of whether or not he's telling the truth. let's take a look at some of his claims. >> okay. >> i am thrilled to announce that in the second quarter of this year the united states economy grew at the amazing rate of 4.1%. >> that's very good. >> he is correct about 4.1% growth. >> 4.1. if you can do that for a year, brother. >> here is thing, most economists would not use the word amazing to describe it. in fact, president obama reached that mark four times, including three times higher than trump's 4.1%. trump's quarter would tie just the 13th best quarter under bill clinton and the 14th best under reagan. >> so you're saying that bill clinton had 13 better quarters than -- >> yes, but trump calls it amazing. >> it might be amazing. >> 13 quarters is like three years worth of quarters, right?
that's a lot of quarters. >> that is a lot of quarters. but i will say this, steve. i remember bush w. had, what a 5.6 or a -- it was like amazing when the number came across there. >> actually. >> and the economy seemed to be growing. well, here again, if he stays at 4.1 the rest of the year, i'm going to say great job, great for americans, great for everybody involved. but most economists were saying, just like they were predicting the deficit was going to rise because of reckless entitlement spending and defense spending and every other kind of spending you could think of, there were a lot of economists who two weeks ago were saying, hey, we're going to have a higher quarter this time and then it's going to go back down to 2%, 2.5%, correct? >> essentially. we can look at some numbers and you can see both historic and what looks like it's going to be
coming in the future on this chart here. so to your point -- >> oh, you have charts? >> that's nice. >> that's very nice. >> walked right into that. >> well to the point about higher quarters in the past, you can see first of all obama's four quarters of growth -- >> let me stop you right there. we'll get to all the charts. jon meacham, you look at all those numbers, it will fascinating that donald trump will say bill clinton beat 13 times, amazing, remarkable, the greatest thing ever. barack obama would have had gdp growth of over 5%. and he would get out there and give a speech of we understand that somewhere in america people are still eating rats for dinner, so we're not going to celebrate this yet. like barack obama could never embrace good news. he always had to parse it. he always had to apologize for those left behind. it's just the opposite of donald trump. somewhere in the middle is a leadership style that actually
works. >> i think that's right. and i think this is a great exhibit in one of the running themes in the books about this era is going to be that donald trump was as much a reality show impar sar owe as he was a real estate guy. he just pretends what he wants to be true is true. and has now inflicted that faux reality on all of us. >> yep. >> one of the great ironies of we always dislike in others what we fear is true in ourselves, it's no mistake that this is the guy, no coincidence that he coins the term fake news. he's the embodiment of it. >> here is another one of the president's claims on friday. >> the trade deficit, very dear to my heart because we've been ripped off by the world has
dropped by more than $50 billion. 52 billion to be exact. >> the trade deficit did drop. it was also the largest it's been since 2006. according to the bureau of economic analysis. >> all right. so, steve, first of all, there's so much we have to correct here. i'm just going to quickly say something about the trade deficit. donald trump will say the chinese stole $82 billion from -- another way to put that is, americans got $82 billion worth of cheaper products. so much of the trade deficit is fueled by us importing goods that are competitive that actually make working class americans lives much better. so when he goes around the chinese stealing. no, the americans have the freedom to decide for themselves. do i want to go to the grocery
store? do i want to go to walmart? do i want to go to target? do i want to get these items cheaper for myself and for my family? most of the times they say yes. >> and they say yes. the trade deficit did play a role in this. to re-enforce a point you made, 4.1% growth we got in the first quarter, these are goldman sachs estimate and show it trailing off as the quarters go on. the other point i would make on this, if you see this red line, this is the year over year change in the growth rate. so you can see, it's gone up, it's gone down. there's nothing extraordinary, at least yet, about donald trump's growth rate. now on the trade deficit which relates to these numbers if we can look at the next chart, you'll see that in fact, this 4.1% isn't all it's cracked up to be. of the 4.1, .8% is the stimulus that president trump enacted. the spending cuts and spending increases in the tax cuts that specially destroyed our fiscal
balance. ironically another .6 of the increase is the chinese importing a lot more soy beans in this past quarter to get ahead of the tariffs that are coming. so when you cut through it all, the actual adjusted, fairly adjusted base growth rate of the economy was actually 2.7%, not 4.1%. >> okay. >> so here is more from the president on friday. >> we've accomplished an economic turn around of historic proportions. >> hold on. can we play that again? i like that one. >> here we go. >> we've accomplished an economic turn around of historic proportions. >> this comes from the guy who has all of his club championships that he won in his office because he cheated. >> and his "time" magazine. >> and fake covers of the "time"
magazines, the greatest turn around in american history. anybody who goes on a google machine can see that you showed part that the economy '08 was here. went up and then it has been a steady, slow, gradual, economic increase. that's good news. but it's good news from bush to obama to trump. >> sure. we can show that in the context of jobs f you want. so trump talks about all the jobs he's created. 3.5 million. but let's put that in some context and compare the last 18 months of obama where he created 206,000 jobs a month to the first 18 months of trump where he created 193,000 jobs a month. >> let me stop you here. i don't understand that because it actually looks like barack obama created more jobs per month in his last 16 months than donald trump created in his
first 16 months, but that can't be true because donald trump and a lot of people on television that are news readers actually are talking about the exploisive trump economy. you're not actually saying -- hold on. help me out here, you're not saying, are you, that barack obama actually created more jobs his last 16 months -- >> 18 months. >> so it's more. >> close to 18 months. >> you're not saying that barack obama created more jobs in his last 18 months as president? god, that would be the last year and a half. that would be really hard to do, than donald trump has in the first 18 months, are you? >> you know, i am saying that. >> no. hold on. >> but the president says he's. >> statistics don't lie. >> wait, john, john, do you believe -- show this chart again. i just think because donald trump says this is the greatest economy we've ever had. happy days are here again. donald trump has not created as
many jobs his last 18 months as barack obama did his final 18 months? >> finally i do believe it, joe. >> do you really? >> because of the fact that i, on your advice, have become very familiar with the google machine and have been using it quite aggressively recently. i want to correct one thing you said about the steadiness of the economic growth. you want to not talk about the george w. bush part of it because that administration ended with the financial crisis that drove the country to a new depression. since october of 2010, steve, i think is correct is that is when the now 90 some months of consecutive job growth started. october 2010 with barack obama and we've been on a steady path ever since then. >> what happened on september 15, 2008, was not good for the economy? >> i am saying that. we don't want to put bush in that same continuum. >> this is staggering. elise, if you talk to any trump
supporte supporter, they will tell you, i support him because you know what, the economy, we have a record economy and record job growth and record this. we don't. we don't. we don't. we don't. go to the google machine and you'll see that barack obama wz more successful in creating jobs his last 18 months as president than donald trump has been his first 18 months. that simple. >> a lot of the role is cheerleader in chief, giving and projecting confidence in the economy and that's something that -- >> devaluing the truth. >> he has done that -- >> we don't need to say turn around. >> he takes it way too far. it's one thing to be pro business and to convince the business community that, yes, he's going to be anti-regulation, enacting policies that are more favorable to the business climate, but then just to all out lie. that does not help anything. >> steve, what you just said, very true. you talk to just about any business owner and they will tell you that he is more pro
business. that regulatory relief helps a lot. yes, they will take those tax cuts. they don't think it was done. as well as it could have been done, but any tax cuts are good tax cuts. there is no doubt the business community is more favorable towards his policies than barack obama's policies and actually think they have somebody in the white house that actually understands what they're going through. that said, ublgd have said the same thing for george w. bush when the economy collapsed at the end of 2008. so that alone -- even if that is the case, that alone is not making the economy better than it was under barack obama. it's just not. >> and it's not. look, there's no question the business community is happy with this and that he's given them a lot of stuff, but i think what we should also talk about is the average worker and where the average worker sits at the moment relative to what trump is proclaiming as a turn around of historic proportions. >> the average worker, elise, if
i'm a democrat, i'm talking about the average worker that got stiffed by these tariffs. they'll be paying more when they go shopping. they got stiffed by the tax cuts. they went to the richest americans. and they've gotten stiffed by health care, pre-existing conditions, forget about it. donald trump and his administration are trying to obliterate protections that congress laid down when it comes to pre-existing conditions and we'll talk about lower wage growth under trump in a second. >> there was a really disturbing stat that i read recently something like 70% of renters -- 70% cost the average income coming in goes to rent in a lot of major cities. that's completely unsustainable for workers to have to pay 70% of their income every month. i don't see how we don't -- we've had ten good years post the recession. how do we not have a dropping
off the cliff soon? >> and what about wages? are they going up? >> they have to be going up because donald trump says they are. >> ivanka visits a lot of workers, and i think that helps. >> she also visits, iowa, by the way, but more on that later. >> more on that later. isn't it the ultimate litmus test of the administration whether you make the average worker better off or not. >> they get to meet ivanka. >> under obama, the average worker got pay increases of about 0.8% a year. that's after adjusting for inflation. that's that line i just put up. >> right. >> under trump, it has actually dropped to 0.3% a year. so in fact, wage increases under trump have gone from 0 .8% under obama to 0.3% under trump. >> right. >> the last two quarters wage increases -- these are all after adjusting for wage. the last two months they have
been zero, no wage increases for the average american. >> just from 40,000 feet, the u.s. economy under barack obama and the first 18 months donald trump pretty good, right? again, it's a slower, gradual growth. trump will probably be annualized at maybe 2%, 2.5%. just like obama. but again, pretty good, steady growth over time. >> you know -- >> it's not 3%. >> yes. exactly. in a year of somewhat diminished expectations of what we can perform and produce, 2% is a reasonable number, 2.5% is a reasonable number. but the problem is as my last chart shows, it's not getting to the average worker. >> right. >> and the key thing about trump is that if you look through all of his policies, find me one that is actually helped the average worker. tax cuts for the rich, tariffs, deregulation. i don't think so. >> also tearing to shreds any hope for health care reform. >> health care.
>> that would help working class americans that would take care of their kids with pre-existing conditions that would take care of the elderly. they're talking about slashing funding for nursing homes when you look at what they want to do with medicaid. >> democrats are salivating about taking health care out on the campaign trail this fall. >> i just checked the google machine on your question -- no trump policies that help workers. still ahead in may he called michael cohen honest and honorable. >> this rudy, yeah. i remember when he called michael cohen -- >> he did. >> honest. >> 100%. >> and honorable. >> but yesterday he called him a pathological liar. >> what? >> uh-huh. >> apparently he was the president's lawyer, though. which is kind of interesting that the president employed a pathological liar as his lawyer. >> i don't understand, america's mayor said he was an honest man. >> rudy giuliani has done a 180 on the president's former fixer.
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of the june, 2016, trump tower meeting with russians. just over two months ago on may 6th, giuliani described cohen has a, quote, honest, honorable lawyer who, quote, doesn't have any incriminating evidence about the president. >> rudy giuliani -- >> yeah. >> honest? >> what do we do with this character? >> john heilemann, you're going to have somebody be your personal lawyer for 20 years or so, i guess it has been 20 years already. >> not quite that long but a while. >> you want a guy around you who is honest and honorable so it makes sense that rudy and trump would say that cohen is an honest lawyer. he's your fixer. >> he's your guys with you don't want a scum bag as your fixer. you want a guy who is honest. >> and loyal. >> fast forward to yesterday and here is what giuliani had to say. >> uh-oh. >> what? >> now i've listened unfortunately, fortunately for my client's point of view, to many, many hours of tapes and
the man is a pathological, manipulator, liar. i didn't know that. i didn't know him well, but i knew nothing bad about michael cohen until all of this started to happen in the last couple weeks. >> until he stopped covering up for donald trump. >> former chief of staff at the ci, a and department of defense now an nbc national security analyst, jeremy bash. also here with us on set, nbc news foreign correspondent keir simmo simmons. >> good to be here. >> rudy giuliani has transformed. >> he's so sad that michael cohen isn't a boy scott afterall. >> jeremy bash, it seems to be a tale of two cohens here. [ laughter ]. >> he was the best fixer. he was the worst fixer. >> that's right, joe. look, i do think that this claim by michael cohen, we don't know yet whether it was verified,
that donald trump knew in advance about the meeting in trump tower that he approved it and welcomed the support from the russian government delegation. that is potentially the most significant development in the whole russia investigation. and the reason is because up up donald trump has been able to say, you know, i don't know what my son, people in my campaign have been doing. i had nothing to do with it. michael cohen knows every single detail about the trump organization, about the business dealings in russia, he can say and testify or provide testimony to bob mueller's team that donald trump was briefed about this, he welcomed this, he knew that it was a russian government delegation and this under mines every other single claim that donald trump has made. >> donald trump knew enough about that meeting to get everybody on air force one and lie about it. but you've really done a deep dive into people that were at the meeting.
>> thanks for the dicken's reference. look, we got close to the kremlin. for example, i can tell you the billionaire was on vacation with the spokesman for president putin just last week. so they are pictured together with their wives. the whole russian heirarchy, if you like, the top of that establishment is like this. >> like london. >> i think one of the interesting insights into all of this is what we're talking about is the behavior of obscenely rich people. this is how they behave. they believe that everything that they say, if they say it is right. that's what obscenely rich people do. and their children.
their entitled children they empower them to make the same kind of success. in a sense if you step back, the real connection is about how very, very rich people behave and how they behave towards each other. >> i think you told me when you spent some time in london that was your takeaway at least about london is it was very closely held and, you know, everything happened in london and everybody seemed to know everybody. what we're learning not only from keir but others it's even tighter in russia because as you say -- >> it depends. you have nice parks. >> small country, couple universities. a lot of these russians are now in london. property owners. they have parts of football
clubs. i want to come back to what jeremy said about the michael cohen assertion. there's a question. will it be verified or not. are there tapes that demonstrate this. jeremy, one of the things that we know, at least from the reporting on this, is that michael cohen is saying to people that there were other people present in the meeting at which donald trump, he alleges, was told all about this meeting and what its purpose was and so on. one of those people -- i'll offer this not for somebody who has been named but a reasonable person to start asking about is hope hicks who was pretty much in every meeting that donald trump was in at that point in time in the campaign and who has already talked to robert mueller. talk about the various ways -- that's one example -- other ways in which the cohen assertion could be, in fact, verified. >> there are other opportunities to have corroborating evidence. there was a discussion in the
house intelligence committee report that came out about a month and a half ago about a blocked number that donald trump jr. called before and after that meeting. obviously, bob mueller can access who that blocked number was. there will be documents, there will be calendar, other people who were in the meeting with donald trump. there are other ways to corroborate this. i should think if donald trump was briefed on this we'll know about it and it will be in the bob mueller report. i just think it's also important, now that we have so much about the trump tower meeting to remind ourselves it was not just a meeting with don't jr., it was with paul manafort and others. it was with the russian delegation. not just about adoptions it was about sanctions and what they would trade in order to interfere in the elections. >> i would add one thing. not just that we can speculate bob mueller might find out. i think there's a chance bob mueller already knows this stuff. he's talked to people already
who would have been present at the meeting. he has this information. it's another example ways in which bob mueller is miles ahead of where we are and the things we think we might learn one day are things he might have already nailed down at this hour. >> i have some doubts about whether the others were led up to meet the president other than candidate. i wonder if that's true. i've spoken many times. the idea that president trump knew about the meeting, i signed up. did they actually meet, i'm not completely convinced. >> jeremy bash thank you very much. still ahead, president trump escalates the threat of a government shutdown before the 2018 mid-terms. and get as word of caution from some republicans. "the washington post" robert costa joining us us with his latest reporting. plus the president puts his fear on the mueller probe on full display launching his most
personal attack against the special counsel yet. >> did you believe now nervous he was. just petrified. >> a fraidy cat situation. >> he was in a fetal position tweeting under a desk. >> he was very, very scared and the tweets were full of ties and riddled with fear. you can almost imagine him. >> makes me sad. it's hard. . was he shaking that bad? >> it's not good. we'll talk to senator richard blumenthal about those tweets and congressman eric swalwell on the committee investigating russia. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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>> i'm a red sox because i hate the yankees. i hate the yankees. >> we need to go out and see a mets game. >> they have to win a few first. >> mookie is cute. >> she likes mookie. >> it's monday, july 30th, 2018. still with us, john hallman. >> he seems sweet. >> nbc news foreign correspondent keir simmons. he's adorable. former aid to the george h. w. bush white house and state department elise jordan. and author of "the soul of america," the soul of america himself john meacham. >> you earned so much money on that book, can you buy me a book. have all your relatives been calling and asking for things because you're so rich now because of that book? >> no. i don't actually answer the
phone. we have like a green acres phone, eddie albert, we get on top of mr. drucker's store and i stay off the roof. >> you have arnold the pig answer the phone for you. >> yes. >> it would be cool if you got the boat. the boat paid by the soul of america. >> joining the conversation -- >> i have a quick question. has you're comparing 1960s sitcom animals, all right, we got a showdown between arnold the pig on "green acres," the smartest animal in town too versus "mr. ed," who do you go with? >> the pig. 100%. i liked the talking thing is kind of cool. the notion that a horse could talk, i like that. but the pig is the smartest
creature. pigs are smart. >> my mom loves the pig. >> your pigs can do higher math. >> all right. also joining us political reporter for "the washington post" and moderator of washington week on pbs, robert costa. >> neither "green acres" or "mr. ed" is airing. >> and law prove for at george washington university, mr. turley. >> arnold or mr. ed? >> mr. ed. >> chicago cubs is the greatest baseball team on earth. >> wow. >> so he's going to start like that. >> cut his feed. ing? >> right to the news. president trump spend part of his weekend lashing out and questioning the credibility of robert mueller's ongoing investigation. in a series of tweets yesterday
trump claimed there was no collusion and since he says so he thinks everyone should believe him. he called mueller's probe a witch-hunt and an illegal scam. he went on to write nervously. is robert mueller ever going to release his conflict of interest with respect to president trump with respect to the fact we had a very nasty business relationship. i turned him down to head the fbi one day before appointment as special counsel and comey is his close friend. also why is mueller only appointing angry dems some of whom who have worked for crooked hillary. including others have worked for obama and why isn't mueller looking at all of the criminal activity and real russian collusion on the democrat side, podesta dossier? nbc news reached out to the special counsel's office and received no response.
>> so, jonathan, just curious where are you right now with a lot of things that happened over the past couple of weeks. and, obviously, donald trump lashing out furiously at the special counsel, independent counsel. it's as if he expects something to drop over the next week or two. where are you right now on the mueller investigation, what you know of it and where you think it's headed? >> i think the current development is very serious. he's one witness away from a potential catastrophe. if any of those five witnesses breaks and supports michael cohen this will get real bad real fast. it's not that the meeting will establish a crime of collusion even if what cohen is saying is true, but what it would mean is that donald trump jr. would be in serious jeopardy of a criminal charge. if mueller was to go after donald trump jr., i think we
would see a very rapid chain of events and it would not end well for anyone. i think that donald trump very well could match his past visceral language with similar language. company start to fire people. and that would have a cascading effect. it would probably take us right to the door step of impeachment. thus far, there isn't any corroboratation from michael cohen and the fact is he's not a very credible person. unlike rudy giuliani most of us have actually heard bad things about michael cohen. he must not have been around for the past year not to hear bad things about michael cohen. cohen is not really redeemable as a witness. he needs to have support from some of the people in that room. >> and robert costa, what can you tell us about the attitude
inside the white house, what's going on there, why donald trump went on this scream again yesterday morning. we see it in the past when the heat is turned up on him. what happened this weekend? >> my sources meeting with them over the weekend they are on high alert. look what's happening on capitol hill. don't ignore it with regard to the mueller investigation. you have top trump allies proposing these articles of impeachment now, a contempt of congress for deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and that option is sitting out there for president trump being proffered by his allies saying if you do want to move on mueller, if you do believe you have an excuse to go after the department of justice over this document fight you can go after rod rosenstein. it's sitting there as a political target and that has made some trump allies on edge if mueller does start to take some real action legally that the president could consider making some moves at doj. >> john, there a couple of back
benches that are going after rod rosenstein. at the same time you have republicans in the united states senate shoulder to shoulder in support of robert mueller, in support of the investigation moving forward. you have richard burr the chairman of the senate intel committee saying last week that all the fisa warrants made sense and were logical, no wrongdoing there whatsoever. you talk about open warfare among republicans, the saturday night massacre, what is playing out between the white house and justice department, it would be 80% of the senate and, you know, probably 50% of the house republicans going after each other and the president. it would be a bloodbath 99 days out. >> 100%. i think -- but that was true, but broad support for rod rosenstein among senate
republicans and even many house republicans who don't want to say so publicly, that was true before helsinki. after helsinki. the degree of strength that rod rosenstein has among everyone but the nunez caucus and mark meadows caucus who is engaging in this ridiculous impeach rod rosenstein. it's just pure kabuki. he won't be impeached. but the extent that there's a caucus that likes to make that kind of noise, the counter caucus, the broader support for rod rosenstein is off the charts after helsinki. >> post-helsinki you really, really have to be taking your political future into your own hands even as a reif you're going after robert mueller's indictment of what does he have, 23 russians now? and clear evidence -- just in black and white -- that they tried to rig the 2016 election.
>> they tried to intervene, yeah. i think you can under estimate how much the russians are watching. we talk about the, you know, american foreign policy you should always view through american domestic policy. russians know that. when i speak to people in the kremlin i get a clear impression that they understand the politics here and they are making moves. so just, for example, after helsinki, some in the kremlin told me we won't talk about this any more. we need to keep quiet about this. now we had president putin offer president trump -- >> i don't like washington in the fall. you're my patsy, you come to moscow. >> can you under estimate that again and again. remember when i was in north korea last year and a north korean official told me we watch "morning joe". >> huge.
>> this country is going through this incredible angst and clearly that has to happen but don't under estimate how around the world he's being watched. >> the world is watching. >> so john meacham, where is the soul of america in the age of devalued truth, starting at the top and the relationship with russia that we could never expect? >> you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. lies are good starter, but they are not good finishers, and again and again in american life we've had periods where we had distrusted institutions, we had people who thought they could put a fast one past us and sometimes they did for a time. but ultimately the great experiments in self-government that the founders put together created a document, created an ethos that because it takes into
account that we're flawed, we're driven by appetite and ambition, it gave us a chance for reason to take a stand against passion in the arena. this is what the constitution was made for. what would have stunned the founders, they would have taken until 2016 to get a demagogue like this as a president. the document was kraefted to try to check our worst impulse, and joe mccarthy took four years, watergate took 27 months. jim crow took a century. you know, we've been in dark places before. we just have to remember that what makes us best is when we're strong and when we open our arms. >> jonathan turley, elise here. the column about how michael cohen is panicked and that makes him dangerous. you're talking -- you were talking about some of the behavior that we might see if donald trump jr. is himself more
imperilled. is michael cohen at this point still hoping for a pardon or any acting out or has that ship sailed >> yeah, no. i think donald trump is probably more likely to give hillary clinton a pardon right now than michael cohen. any pardon strategy is gone. this over mutually shared destruction strategy by cohen. i don't really get it. usually you threaten that. you don't usually commit the act. he started out with that. the pardon, i think, is no longer an option. he's putting all of his money on mueller. i'm not too sure that strategy will play out for him. he's not that valuable of a witness in one sense than he is in another. his proximity makes him very draws dra dangerous to the president. but to have the lawyer say he'll
try something new he'll tell the truth. that's not a roaring endorsemen. it's basically saying i'm john dean without the guilt. not that great of a witness to put on the stand. >> jonathan turley, thank you very much. president trump used twitter to once again shut down the government for tougher immigration laws. he tweeted yesterday i would be willing to shut down government if the democrats do not give us the votes for border security which includes the wall. must get rid of lottery, catch and release, et cetera. and finally go to system of immigration based on merit. we need great people coming in to our country. trump's warning comes ahead of the september 30th deadline for congress to strike a deal to fund the government, raising the possibility of a showdown just 37 days before the mid-term elections. the potential funding battle would come amid efforts by
republicans to confirm the president's supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh by october 1st. following his meeting on wednesday with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and paul ryan president trump signaled that he was on board with the leader's strategy to fund the government through smaller packages of spending bills. mcconnell said friday talks over funding the border wall would have to wait until after the mid-terms. bob costa, i think immigration is a great issue to go into the mid-terms with to remind e around the stench around this presidency with the separation of families going on with hundreds of children who may not ever be reunited with their families again because of president trump, jeff sessions, kirstjen nielsen and ivanka trump by default since she's counselor to the president in support of families. >> are republicans afraid of the shutdown >> mika makes an important point
on immigration. ivanka trump in 2016 went to the suburbs of philadelphia and vulnerable republicans right now are very unese i about the president focusing on immigration. but my sources say the president talk about this witch00, his words about the russia investigation, hammering a proposed border wall. all about juicing up that republican base because talking to pollsters inside the party and people conducting focus groups they are concerned a blue wave could be coming. the quarterly growth, the tax cut not enough to get the trump voter to come back out in the mid-term elections. it's back to the wall, back to immigration, back to going after robert mueller. that's the strategy. >> boy, that is, steve rattner, that's a rough strategy for donald trump and i'm sure probably speaks to why recognizes are afraid. i mean coming to the district.
and you've talked about it this morning already, the "times" has a story on the front page but poll after poll after poll shows the rank-and-file just aren't buying this tax cut. in fact, it's deeply unpopular, especially among working class americans that republicans need. >> it's got a 30% approval rating. americans got to give him a little bit of credit on figuring things out. what they figured out 85% of this tax cut going to businesses or people making over $75,000. the average american gets $600. not a lot of money. on the shutdown question there's 13 legislative days between now and the election. there's a lot at risk. history would tell you shutdowns hurt the party that perceived to create the shutdown. but democrats need 60 votes in the senate. they have to get some democrats
to get over the finish line. >> going to be awfully tough. keir, i want to talk about london again. it's on my mind. since i can't talk about chelsea. let's talk about theresa may and boris johnson, news this week, don't know if it's accurate or not, but boris johnson now is becoming good buddies with steve bannon. true? do you see those reports? >> steve bannon has been in the uk and has been making friends. and not just with the former foreign secretary but with others much further to the right. >> do we expect a challenge to theresa may from boris johnson? >> just to put simply what's happening in the uk is the government is hanging by a thread and what the conservative government is frightened of is if they break that thread and go for a general election spend up with a very far left labor party
in power. that, by the way, would turn things upside down. the leader of the labor part in the uk has some sympathy for russia. he has interesting views on europe. the potential for things to really unravel around brexit and echo around the world economically which where things here should worry b-i guess, is great. >> is there a possibility of another coalition government in britain where it gets to the point where it looks like you'll have boris johnson teaming up with other right-wing parties. >> you need another election to have it happen. you can predict the outcome of an election, particularly the way that the electorate are these days here and in the uk. what's happening is very detail internal politics within the ruling party in britain with the big picture of them desperately
trying to cling to power. >> keir simmons thank you very much. robert costa, thank you as well. >> robert, what are you working on today? >> keeping an eye on the mueller investigation. where is this report? when is a subpoena coming for president trump? is rudy giuliani going to don't dance around the idea of doing an interview. decisions have to be made on both sides. >> still ahead on "morning joe" from cruel to inhumane to careless and incompetent show you senator blumenthal describes the government initial child separation policy and subsequent efforts to deal with it. the connecticut democrat joins us next on "morning joe". ♪ feet. & with edge-to-edge intelligence you've got near real time inventory updates. & he'll find the same shoes in your store that he found online
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resolution on protecting the press. we'll get to that. curious as to what you know about where the separation policy stands? we know they ended the policy but still a lot of children's lives hanging in the balance. are they going to be able to resolve this completely? >> hundreds of children are still separated from their parents. >> do we have a good number on that? are we in the hundreds? >> there are no good numbers. >> no good numbers. why are there no good numbers. why can't we get the government, why can't we get the fraugs to give us good numbers on how many children they seized from tarms of their parents and have now lost? >> that is the question we're going to be asking tomorrow when we have i.c.e. come before the judiciary committee. we'll have a hearing. and the question of whether this policy is a result of incompetence and carelessness or deliberate cruelty. right now what we have is benign
neglect. children are separated because of the incompetence and carelessness and the policy itself and americans should be angry about it is the result of consciously and purposely inflicted cruelty. >> the focus on i.c.e. is misdirected. the focus is on the policy. this would be like americans being angry at tsa if donald trump decided to seize babies from mothers arms when they are going through the metal detectors. >> that's exactly right. that's why we've urged the chairman of the committee, chuck grassley not just have i.c.e. but the office of refugee resettlement, department of homeland security leadership in general and the department of health and human services. they all bear responsibility. >> why are they still separated. what's the crux of that? are the parents deported? are the parents out of country and now the kids are stuck in america? what's happened? >> some parents have been
deported on the promise that they would be reunited. that was a false promise. some of the parents are still in this country, but the department of homeland security doesn't have sufficient information to bring them together. we've received closed briefings and the basic conclusion here is that this policy is a result of a conscious effort to deter asylum seekers from coming to this country by convincing them that they will face more pain here than they would by facing the murder, violence and gang warfare in their own country. >> so i understand that's what sessions, that's what trump wanted to happen. what i don't understand is when they implemented the policy, how were they not able to trace -- how were they not able to put 2-year-olds, 3-year-olds, 4-year-olds back with their parents? whose ultimately -- who ultimately fumbled that responsibility?
>> and that's what the american people deserve to know. and we don't know the answer yet. we'll begin finding out tomorrow. but i think there has to be accountability. >> isn't it remarkable we don't know? isn't it remarkable >> there was a plan? >> there was no plan. you know when i visited the border, now almost six weeks ago, what i saw and i said it when i came back was no plan, no path, no system for reuniting these children with their parents. i looked into the eyes of a 2-year-old girl in her father's arm who faced possible separation from her father, and he was close to tears. but he had walked 30 days across mexico to escape the violence and persecution in his country simply so his daughter could live and have the opportunity to be in this country, but there was no plan to keep them together, there was no plan to reunite them if they were
separated. there never was. and that is the really untold story. >> i feel like we have to call a time-out right here for viewers who may not understand the laws of this land. it is legal for people to come to this country and seek refugee status and when they come here that's when we're supposed to have a review. and we're supposed to have judges, courts look at it. and, of course, donald trump's answer is separate the children, deport the parents, and fire all the judges. says he doesn't want any judges any more. doesn't want any more due process for refugee status which, again, is that's the basis of our country. donald trump's parents, donald trump's mother came to america from overseas, mika's mother and father escaped hitler, came to
america, mika's mother went across the atlantic, actually got -- the boat got hit by a german torpedo which was a thud, but escaped, escaped nazi oppression. >> so did my dad in 1935 came here at 17 years old. he had not much more than the shirt on his back. spoke no english. he was a penniless refugee who would have been sent back under trump's current policies. there is a legal protection but there's also a great american tradition. >> exactly. that's our story. >> exactly. we're a nation of immigrants. >> there's something that also is really troublesome, i mean everything about this policy is troublesome, but texas tribune had been reporting about 70 children under the age of 2 have been representing themselves at asylum proceedings. how does this happen in america? >> i know.
>> sir, i want to move on to a different topic and a different venue for you which is your role on the judiciary committee. bret kavanaugh coming before you guys. you have been raising some concerns about the scope of the committee's inquiry, ability to get all the records from the time he was in the white house an also about where he stands on the question of the nixon president. i want to talk about both those things. where we are. not so much about the political maneuvering, will he protect robert mueller, how serious is the scrutiny your committee will give to this nomination. >> first of all, we need the documents and right now we're being denied all documents we need to review this nomination. the reason we need the documents is that there's no telling what he may have written and what's relevant when he was staff secretary to president bush. we know that on some of the issues like the signing
statements related to illegal detention he took certain positions. but we need to confirm what he tells us by having all the documents. the question is what are they hiding? why are they concealing some of these documents sydney won't meet with this nominee and certainly would urge my colleagues to vote against him if we are denied those documents. second, on the issue of presidential power he has a very expansive view of what the president's powers can be. first of all, the president can refuse to enforce a law if he feels that it is unconstitutional. second, he should be able to fire the special counsel for any reason or no reason at all. and that makes him a possible deciding vote also on the subpoena power, he's questioned the validity of the tapes case. that was in the watergate area and decided unanimously by a
supreme court in an opinion written by the chief justice warren burger a nixon appointee. this questioning of the issue of when the president is above the law is extremely serious. if his position is the president is above the law, i don't see how any of my colleagues can vote for him. >> senator, without diminishing the importance of everything you said, in the real world of politics it seems like the republicans are absolutely locked in step here on whether maybe rand paul but mostly locked in step. three red state congressmen who voted for gorsuch. is there doubt he'll be confirmed. >> there is doubt. mainly in these documents, if we get them, there may be bomb shells and smoking guns and other very revealing evidence that goes to his views on these critical issues, not just presidential power but also roe v. wade and his committing
apparently passing the trump litmus trump to automatically overrule it, on health care issues. we need to take this case to the american people and i think the american people are going to want a check and balance on this president particularly. i think they are going to want someone who is in favor of a free press. especially with this president. >> so, let's talk about republicans and the mueller investigation. you, of course, have a couple of house republicans who are playing the role of vladimir putin's poodles, embarrassing themselves. on the republican side in the senate some strong words, again, from richard burr the chairman of the intel committee saying fisa warrants were actually in line and the judges, the republican judges did the right thing there. it seems that more and more republicans are speaking out strongly for, in support of
robert mueller's investigation going to its end. >> there's no question that trump's cronies in the house are threatening impeachment of rod rosenstein, which is very impactful. and also threatening special counsel. we have republicans in the senate beginning to show some signs of resistance to this consistent concerted campaign against the special counsel. remember this campaign has been ongoing for some time, not just the president calling it a witch-hunt, but also some of his -- i hesitate to say stooges but surrogates in the house saying that it is all made up. we know from the close to 30 indictments and five convictions there's a lot of evidence. >> russians, by the way, they are not just covering for donald trump any more, they are not trump's churmps any more, they
are vladimir putin's useful idiots. this is a russian story that these republican dupes in the house of representatives are covering for vladimir putin. they should get their contributions converted to r rubles now. >> the remarkable thing about this indictment, no way these russias were freelancing. they are military intelligence operatives under orders from vladimir putin. instead of inviting him to this country, he should be indicted in this country. and the people who are cozying up to him are simply aiding and abetting ongoing attack on this country. >> it continues. >> senator blumenthal you say stooges. >> we don't. richard blumenthal, thank you so much. >> i do like putin's poodles.
>> there's a few republicans in the house of representatives who are literally covering up an enemy's attempt to undermine american democracy. think about how remarkable that is. how do you go back to your constituents and say i'm trying to impeach the guy that is running an investigation against our enemies trying to infiltrate american democracy and undermine it. try to put that one on a bumper sticker. >> joe, i really think you're doing an injustice to the dogs of america. >> okay. >> senator, thank you. we'll be watching as you present a resolution today on the press as well. we'll get to that. coming up the trump-cohen drama goes public and getting ugly. we'll bring in a former judge and u.s. attorney from the office now investigating the president's former fixer. we'll be right back. ♪
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and rb. there must be something wrong, please recheck that poll and many did check, according to gallop, trump's approval rating among republicans is 88%. at the same point in their presidencies, dwight eisenhower's approval rating was 92% among republicans and george h. w. bush's approval was 93%. four and five points higher than trump's respectively. he needs to heck chcheck his nu. he really needs to search. up next more on the conversation we were just having with senator blumenthal, that the white house had absolutely no plan to reunify the families i want separated at the border. that's next on "morning joe". oh!
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information to locate hundreds of missing parents to reunite them with their children. a federal judge overseeing the court ordered reunification of more than 2,500 migrant children has ordered the administration turn over a list of all parents deemed ineligible for reunification by wednesday. let's bring in msnbc correspondent jacob for more on this. are they going to be able to track down all these families and reunite them >> that's the idea, mika. this thing is almost absurdly far from over. on friday the trump administration basically declared victory saying they had reunited by this court imposed deadline the eligible, what they call eligible 1880 something, 1882 children systematically separated from their parents by the trump administration. the overall number was 2,500 kids. what we learned in court from the trump administration on friday actually went down there and sat in this courtroom to listen to the judge talk to trump administration and watch
them battle it out with the aclu. there were 650 kids, senator blumenthal didn't know the number. 650 is the number of children that the government deemed ineligible to be reunited with their parents and didn't reunite them. the judge stepped in and basically said there are missing parents. he calls them missing parents. go find them. the government was refusing to provide the aclu information, specific detailed information that would help them track down these folks in their home countries including 431 parents who were deported and can't get back to this country to be reunited with their children. this information being handed over by wednesday and track them down. >> jacob, you said 650 the trump administration saying 650 young children are quote ineligible to be reunited with their parents, ineligible on what grounds? how did they define ineligible >> right. that's such a good question.
let me be clear. those children were separated in the exact same way at the exact same places that the kids that were deemed eligible were separated. the only issue with these children is they say some of these parents, 431 of them were already deported. that's it. they just got deported before they could get-together with their children. another small portion of that group has some form of criminal convictions but we don't know why or what kind. they are focused on 120 of these parents, who they say waived the right to reunification with their kids. but it's sort of a hard argument to buy because we know from affidavits filed in court many of those parents said i actually signed those forms in error to give up my children, i didn't understand them. they were different languages. >> jacob, are these judges raking these government bureaucrats over the coals? i can't imagine any judge with a thousand kids missing, 650,
however many it is right now, i can't imagine any judge rake, not raking these bureaucrats over the coals and demanding that they provide answers. are they doing that? >> of course. the bottom line a plan for reunification if it wasn't for this judge down in the southern district here in california. he said very clearly on friday, there never was a plan. these were like a bunch of different stove pipes, doj, hhs, the department of homeland security that never even talked to each other. he said, look, step one is getting the eligible children back together. step two is you guys basically finding the parents you said were ineligible and we're going to reunite, even if i, the judge, didn't tell you to do this and come up with an actual plan to do this. and, step three, that this never happens again. all of these agencies you would think would talk to each other, all federal government agencies involved in the care of migrant children at the border, would talk to each other and they're not talking to each other. he said this can never happen
again, was basically his parting thoughts in court on friday. >> jacob, thank you very much. pbs's "front line" is taking a closer look at the crisis with a new special entitled "separated children at the border." here is a clip featuring an interview with former acting director of i.c.e. >> when you heard the tape, the pro publica published of the children waling, what was your reaction? >> i didn't hear the tape. >> come on. >> i did not hear the tape. i've heard many children cry in my 34 years. i don't need to hear. >> can i play it for you? >> yes. >> it is a young girl who asked to call her aunt, she has the number memorized. how can you not condemn that? >> look, i've seen a lot of terrible things in my 34 years. what we have to address the border. >> do you not sympathize -- >> absolutely. i'm a parent. it is sad, but when a government chooses to enforce the law and
they separate the parents being prosecuted, just like every u.s. citizen, person in this country is separated when they're arrested, people want a different set of rules for an illegal alien. >> and "frontline" correspondent martin smith joins us now. martin, obviously quite an interview. what else did you find out from the former director of i.c.e.? >> well, look, he takes a very simple approach to this. it was abundantly clear after talking to him that he sees this as a simple case of there's a law about how you legally enter the country and he's going to enforce it. and the president has accepted that kind of approach to this. you know, if you want to have a humane process of deciding who can come and who deserves to come, who is fleeing violence and needs asylum, you have to have judges. you have to have a robust asylum
process. the president says he doesn't want judges. well, that's what judges are for. >> right. >> to judge whether or not somebody -- has a decent case to make. so holman says enforce the law. >> did you sense from him and do you sense from other i.c.e. officials and other people who tried to tackle this issue a frustration, a belief that you hear out of this administration that people in the past have brought children up with them to make their passage into the united states easier? >> you know, he didn't -- he didn't harp on that, and i have heard that from some. but, look, you know, i went down to salvador for the making of this documentary, and my producer was covering this for the last year, was in mexico, guatemala, el salvador. these people are fleeing violence and these children and their mothers or fathers need to get out of the situations
they're in. they're not just looking to make this easy to get in. >> what's the fate of these children, especially if they can't be reunited with their families, which it sounds like is a legitimate possibility for a good number of them, what will happen to them? what do we even know of their status right now, how they're doing? >> well, it is an excellent question, mika. we don't know. we don't know what's going to happen. we talked to one man who was put on a plane back to salvador. his daughter had been separated from him at the border. he was told that she -- if he agreed to be deported, she would be reunited. eventually she was reunited with him. but there are others who went back under the pretense that if they agreed to be deported they would get their child back, which is really a violation of their right to file a claim for asylum and have a court hearing, due process. but in any way, you know, some of -- like was mentioned by
jacob, there are people that speak a native language in guatemala who were asked to sign a form in english. they didn't know what they were getting into. there were some that were illiterate. but these are people that have legitimate claims from what i saw, not by and large criminals as is -- as they are described. >> martin smith, thank you so much. the new "frontline" documentary, "separated children at the border" premieres tomorrow night on pbs. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thanks so much. so let's talk about the politics of i.c.e. they will be talking to the director on the hill. right now it seems most democrats are trying to distance themselves from comments others have suggested that i.c.e. be abolished. >> yeah. i mean, look, that tape, that interview is -- many democrats, certainly the base of the party,
that kind of comment, the chilling tone of, well, you know, this is sad but, you know, these pembroke the law. >> right. >> that's going to fuel this debate for democrats, especially those thinking of running for president in 2020. you have kristin gillibrand now, elizabeth warren on the strong "we must abolish i.c.e." front. we have people like kamala harris who say we have to fix it. fixing i.c.e. is the easy position. in the democratic party where there's so much energy on the far left in the base -- >> but if you abolish i.c.e., what replaces it? >> for the moment all i want to say is that the political dynamic is going to pull democrats to the left. you have a couple of big voices saying "we must abolish it." it will become a litmus test. if you want to run for president, you have to say you will abolish it or radically reform it. >> still ahead on "morning joe", we will bring in a former
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but every time i look at him he's campaigning. >> wow. president trump is -- >> i'll go six or seven days a week when we're -- i'll go six or seven days a week when we're 60 days out, and i will be campaigning for all of these great people that do have a difficult race, and we think we're going to bring them over the line. >> wow. president trump is known to contradict himself while on the campaign -- >> is he really? is he really? never happens. >> i wouldn't -- >> that's hateful you would say that. >> yes. this time he is contradicting himself being on the campaign trail. >> okay. >> the midterm vote is 99 days away. while the president is not on the ballot, his presidency certainly is. good morning, everyone. welcome to "morning joe." >> 99 days away. >> oh, that's so -- how did that happen? >> well, i mean -- >> this has gone so quickly.
>> i would think you would want it to be 99 days. >> closer to this being over. >> nine days away would be great. >> please end it. >> 99 bottles of beer on the wall. >> something like that. >> let me ask you, because obviously 100th day yesterday, people were talking about it. what is the state of play right now? there's always a back and forth and there will be more back and forth as we move forward, but where do the democrats, where do the republicans stand in terms of confidence on whether trump's going to be stopped or whether everything he's done the first two years are going to be validated? >> i think if you looked over the course of this year, people broadly think democrats are likely to retake control of the house. still kind of a coin toss in the senate. about a month ago you heard republicans getting sort of this surge about optimism that maybe they could hold on, that the economic news and some other things, and trump not having created, at least by his standards, too much chaos for them that things were swinging a little bit back in republican's
direction, and then helsinki happened. >> yep. >> the separation of families on the border happened, other things that blotted out all of the things that republicans want to talk about. they all came to the forefront, and now today democrats incredibly, incredibly confident and optimistic and republicans privately back to pessimism and thinking the house is probably gone and we maybe are going to hold on to the senate, but the blue wave feels stronger than 30 days ago. >> think of the three things that happened in the past 30 days. first of all, south korea has gone south. secretary of state pompeo admitting that the north korean's haven't slowed down and in fact may be creating more secret sites to build nuclear weapons. that north korea deal went down the drain. john already talked about helsinki. and lying over all of this, and i know it is something you will relate to very much, after katrina there were so many evangelicals who i went to
church with that we were, you know, we would do daily relieves after katrina over to mississippi and louisiana and they were shattered. their faith in george w. bush was shattered by what they saw on the ground in mississippi and louisiana, that nothing was being done. the question is where are the children that mika has repeated over and over again. i'm hearing from evangelicals that have supported him, this is not who we are. >> well, and you can hear about the russia investigation constantly, but in my opinion that's not going to move voters. but my mom, my sister-in-law, they voted for trump. they to not like these babies who are separated from their parents, and that's a story that is just an albatross, as it should be. >> right. >> i mean torturing children on the border of our great nation and it is something that donald trump can't run away from. >> but they can -- they can vote
according to their pocketbooks, steve ratner, and for that many are doing, you would say, pretty well. >> well, i mean in fact john jr. said -- >> not everybody. >> john jr. said, then i've heard other people say this too, that barack obama never even got above 2 percentage points for one quarter. isn't that amazing? and donald trump got 4.1. i mean never. >> we're going to do a little fact check on that, but the fact is that obama got about 4% i think in three-quarters. but, look, the tax cut is still incredibly unpopular. only a minority of americans support it, and there's a story on the front page of "the times" today about how republicans are not even campaigning on it. john will know more about this than i do, but i think there are 42 open republican seats right now, not running for election. you know how hard it is to flip an incumbent so these are open seats democrats can take on in the house. >> and you have dana rohrbacker
running, too, and if he would stop speaking russia maybe the republicans could hold down that seat, too. devin nunes putting a hammer and sickle in the o of the gop which is distracting. you know, it is interesting. we always say that people vote their pocketbooks, and been saying this for a very long time, that they don't in off-year elections. we'll see what the 4.1 is in the third quarter. most economists say it is going to go back down significantly. but we shall see. but, you know, in '94 becoill clinton had a great economy but he was seen as out of touch with the mainstream of america, and there was a massive republican title wave. 2006 the economy was going pretty darn well, but, again, it was post katrina. it was in the middle of iraq. nancy pelosi became speaker of the house. people don't always vote their pocketbook in mid-term elections. often they vote in reaction to what they've seen in the past
two years on cultural issues or even a leadership style. >> yeah. and the political science on this is always pretty clear, which is it is a base-motivated election. the economy i think is pretty safe to say is much more a driver in a presidential year. my own view with no evidence whatever -- so nothing new there -- is that the approval rating, the trump job approval rating probably has seven or eight points, maybe even a little bit more, of what i think of as 401(k) trump pers rigers . i think there are people looking at their statement, people on the right side of the economic equation anyway. they see their numbers going up for all sorts of reasons, and so they're willing to not really dive in to this russian novel story no one can quite figure out, and they're willing to
suspend their -- bizarrely in my view, but they are willing to suspend their ordinary moral judgments about how this president conducts himself and is now representing us on the world stage. but i would not, if i were in the white house, count on that lasting until 2020. >> we'll see. joe, your latest column in "the washington post" speaks to this. it is entitled "trump finally feels gravity's unforgiving pull." and reads in part. trump's stunning victory created such disorienting shock waves across washington that neither the democrats or the republicans understood what the accidental president at mighted. he said in december of 2016, everything came together at once. the resulting political horror show produced daily by trump has left journalists and politicians reeling, but failed to alter a
few basic rules of politics. first, presidents with approval ratings in the low 40s lose their majorities in the senate. third, lying about pay-offs to a porn star and a playboy model rarely helps with swing state voters. republicans hoping to save themselves from the political storm that will soon wipe away their congressional majorities would soon -- would be well-served to speak out against trump's most destructive policies which are anti-conservative, ill-liberal and sure to bring doom to the once grand old party. the party could be over. >> no. >> it could be. >> first of all, john, i'm very humbled to have my piece read on the "morning joe." >> well -- >> pride of place. >> it is a good piece. it is what we are talking about. >> your name is "morning joe." this is your show. but "morning joe", that's you. >> my music going as well. >> so it is good that you get
your pieces on your show. >> i also, mika -- >> you have pull with the guys that run the place. >> i have cleaning products to be selling at the half hour. no, that was somebody else. so it does -- it seems that trump's victory was so shocking that -- that i think a lot of pundits, a lot of politicians, i think a lot of republicans have overstated his strength and his magical powers, his gravity-defying political powers. but at the end of the day this man is still a 40% president. show me a 40% president and i will show you a loser. no, no, i'm serious. show me a candidate that has -- by the way, his reelect -- his reelect, according to the latest
nbc marris polls, his reelect in michigan i believe is 28%. in wisconsin, it is 31%. show me a guy with a 30% reelect, i will show you a loser, somebody that loses mid terms and somebody that loses real electio reelection. i think too often people overstate his political strength because they were so shock that he won last time. >> yeah. look, i mean i think the shock is one thing. i think the degree to which his behavior and the ways in which he has departed from republican orthodoxy, various ways in which he has thrown washington into chaos, his fact that his base -- which is not 40%, but 35 or something, the fact those people are immovable even in the face of things people object to so
strenuously causes us to over-focus on the base. barack obama rested on his base, donald trump rested on his base, agent both bases are rock solid. again, 35, you're a loser. even if you get the extra ones that meacham is talking about, you push up to 40%, 41% which is where he is right now, that's historically a disaster. you will be wiped out in the mid terms if everything we hold from history holds true again. >> still ahead on "morning joe", don jr. met with russians at trump tower in 2016. >> yes, he did. >> and the explanation why and who knew about it has changed multiple times. >> it was about adoptions, right? >> no, it wasn't. now a top republican in congress suggests that story may change yet again. we'll talk about that, but first here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good monday morning. this will be an active weather week once again with flooding concerns and more fire risk and of course all atext is on the carr fire that is just on the border of redding.
already five fatalities including two firefighters. we have seen 500 structures, hundreds of homes have been burned. it was 110 degrees for four straight days last week, it will be about 100 to 105 for much of the upcoming week, no rain in site. the containment, again, less than 10%. it is extremely difficult for these firefighters. imagi imagine being on the front line, the heat from the fire and the heat from this time of year. we have strong thunderstorms out of oklahoma overnight. dallas catching is break, they're weakening just in time. eastern portions of oklahoma and abilene, texas with strong storms. the humidity and the rain is back in the mid atlantic region. these are tropical downpours moving from maryland and delaware. there's a possibility for three inches of rain today alone. potential flooding on the east coast. extreme heat and fire weather on the west, and unfortunately not a lot changes. even into wednesday, there's the heavy rain in the east, hot in
the west. 102, boise on wednesday. finally we end this week just like last week, with all of the wed weather and the flood risk in areas of the southern appalachians, carolinas through the mid add lan titlantic regio. this will be wettest weather in boston, which we have already done. new york city on the northern fringe of the heavy rain this week. maybe an inch or two this week. areas to the south, a lot more. enjoy today, nyc, the sunshine while you have it. you are watching "morning joe." we will be right back. thing sayr like a beach trip, so let's promote our summer travel deal on choicehotels.com like this. surfs up. earn a $50 gift card when you stay just twice this summer. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com
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told the whole truth about the fact that campaigns look for dirt and if someone offers it you listen to them, nobody is going to be surprised. there are some things in politics that you just take for granted. >> so you don't think this has any long-term impact? he wouldn't be the first politician or president for that matter to maybe misrepresent things and he gets over it? >> well, you know, businessmen listen to almost everyone that might be helpful. >> yeah. >> by the way, they make pragmatic decisions about how to make bad stories go away. >> darrell issa. >> which is why -- >> darrell issa, not my dad, in that case -- first of all, we're going to run the table here because it is so extraordinary. even in my little office as a member of congress, if my -- if somebody came to my chief of staff and said, hey, the russian government or the iranian government has some dirt on your
opponent, my chief of staff would have said, hey, listen, we'll get back to you in a couple of days. what's your name again? what's your phone number, we'll call you back? would immediately call the fbi. would immediately call the fbi. this is not a close call. anybody out there thinking that if you listen -- if that's what darrell issa thinks, holy cow! that is condemning. here they keep moving the goalposts for donald trump. they're lying about donald trump, donald trump didn't know. okay, now if donald trump knew, what's the big deal? no, nobody does this. nobody has ever done this. nobody has ever done this that i know of, has gotten dirt on an opponent from a sworn enemy, russia, iran, you name it. >> never seen it in now almost unfortunately 30 years i've been doing this and covering republicans and democrats in the presidential races and other races. the thing i want to say about
darrell issa though that just goes to the real -- the thing he is saying here, which is that republicans aren't going to pay the price if it turns out donald trump is lying, i want to say it just like actions speak a lot louder than words. darrell issa is retiring from congress. >> uh-huh. >> right. so he can spin a rosie scenario for how republicans are not going to pay any price for donald trump's behavior, but it seems like on the basis of his own political calculations of what was going to happen in his district, he may have had a different view about what the blood bath is going to look like this fall. >> and donald trump has already lied, steve ratner, about russian agents coming to his office. donald trump has already masterminded the coverup on air force one where he lied and said that the meeting was about adoption, which, by the way, we saw over the weekend an attorney, a prosecutor say this is perfect to show the guilt, the conscious guilt at the time that something big happened in that room because you wouldn't lie about it if it was innocent.
>> sure. but, look, i think one of the problems we have here a little bit is it is a bit of a he said/she said. guilliani was on one of the shows basically saying there are five people that will say donald trump didn't know about the russia meeting up against michael cohen. you know, i was working in washington for "the new york times" in the summer of 1974 and i was watching all of this, and meachem can contradict me, but in my recollection the tapes were the defining moment because you heard him on tape saying this. now, maybe michael cohen has tapes that are equally condemning, but we haven't quite seen them. he has been able to wiggle and twist and worm his way out of every box people tried to put him insofar. >> but at least for darrell issa, what's the end game of saying something like that? it is obviously something you wouldn't want to support, the president lying about a meeting. >> lobbying money. >> with russian agents. >> their own personal self-interests constantly. that's all we see on display consistently among republicans who are choosing to prop up
these lies and to devalue truth and factual accuracy in the american public. it is really disgusting. i can't believe that we're at the phase where, you know, the $12 billion bailout for agriculture because of a dumb policy decision and all of these so-called fiscal conservatives can just get behind it because they're going with trump no matter what. we're just seeing where people do not stand for much except the ideology of power. >> think about that really quickly. again, ron johnson -- i can't believe i'm quoting ron johnson given the fact he has backed down to donald trump time and time again. but ron johnson correctly said it is soviet-era-style economics where you first of all adopt a stalin five-year foreign policy. the five-year plan, right? and you have tariffs. you destroy the economy, and then you come in behind it, and
after destroying the economy for these farmers you then prop them up with a $12 billion centralized state pay-off, after, i just got to say, a lot of farmers are already subsidized. like the big farm interests. so this is subsidy on top of subsidy on top of subsidy. >> but we've got to cut the deficit, joe. >> right, thank you. >> there's a lot of serious deficit hawks in washington. >> yeah, absolutely none. >> all right. coming up, rudy guilliani opinion of michael cohen has transformed over the past two months apparently. >> the shape shifter. he's like the next man. >> quite a metamorphosis. apparently so have cohen's opinions of the president. what it all means for the next significant stages in the russia probe straight ahead on "morning joe."
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meeting with russians. just over two months ago on may 6th, guilliani described cohen as an honest, honorable lawyer who, quote, doesn't have any incriminating evidence about the president. >> all right. so let's stop right there. can we keep it up for a second? so rudy guilliani, honest -- >> what to we do with this character? >> if you are going to have somebody be your personal lawyer for 20 years or so, i guess it had been 20 years already. i don't know how long it was. >> not quite that long, but yeah, a while. >> still, you want a guy around you who is honest and honorable, so it makes sense that rudy would -- and trump would say that cohen is an honest lawyer. >> of course. >> he's your fixer. you don't want a scum bag as your fixer, a guy who is honest enough you can relax. >> and loyal. >> and loyal. >> fast forward to yesterday and here is what guilliani had to say. >> what? >> now i listened unfortunately, fortunately for my client's point of view, to many, many hours of tapes, and the man is a
pathological manipulator, liar. i didn't know that. i didn't know him well, but i knew nothing bad about michael cohen until all of this started to happen in the last couple of weeks. >> until he stopped covering up for donald trump. >> joining us, former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, now an nbc national security analyst, jeremy bash. also here with us onset, nbc foreign correspondent keir simmons. good to have you both with us today. >> good to be here. >> rudy guilliani has transformed in so many ways and some of it is heartbreaking to watch. >> yes. >> it is just so sad michael cohen isn't a boy scout after all. >> jeremy bash, it seems to be a tale of two cohens here. he was the best of fixers, he was the worst of fixers. >> that's right, joe. look, i do think that this claim by michael cohen, we don't know yet whether it is verified that donald trump knew in advance about the meeting in trump
tower, that he approved it and that he welcomed the support from the russian government delegation. that is potentially the most significant development in the whole russia investigation, and the reason is because up until now basically donald trump has been able to say, you know, i don't know what my son, i don't know what people on my campaign have been doing, i had nothing to do with it. but if michael cohen, the person who knows every single detail about the trump organization, about their business, about their business dealings in russia, if he can say or provide testimony to bob mueller's team that, in fact, donald trump was briefed about this, he welcomed this, he knew it was the russian government delegation, think it undermines almost every other claim donald trump has made about the russia investigation. >> donald trump knew enough about the meeting to get everybody on board air force one and concoct a lie about it, but you have done a deep dive into people who were at the meeting. >> yeah. >> you talked to some -- >> i know them. thanks for the dickens
reference, by the way. look, it is close to the kremlin. for example, i can tell you that the billionaire behind the meeting was on vacation with the spokesman for president putin just last week. so they're pictured together with his wife. so i mean the whole russian hierarchy if you like, the top of that establishment is like this. >> is like london, everybody knows everybody. >> yeah, us british guys, russian guys, same kind of deal. i think one of the interesting insights in all of this is that what we are talking about is the behavior of obscenely rich people. >> right. >> this is how they behave. so the russian oligarchs, they treat people like pawns. that's what many rich people do. they believe everything they say if they say it is right. that's what obscenely rich people do. and their children, their entitled children, they empower
them to go and try to make the same kind of success. so in a sense, if you step back the real connection is about how very, very rich people behave and how they behave towards each other and treat the world. >> coming up on "morning joe", our next guest is accustomed to judging things and he calls the push in congress against rod rosenstein a, quote, baseless, shameful campaign. a former u.s. district judge for the southern district of new york joins us straight ahead on "morning joe." [music playing] (vo) from the beginning,
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that's what it is all about. he had a right to say to comey, give flynn a break. there's no investigation at the time. not only that, he didn't tell him don't investigate him, don't prosecute him. he asked him to exercise his prosecutorial discretion because he was a good man with a great war record. i've been asked that many times, take the man's life into consideration, either go easy on him or this time you can pass on him. you do sometimes. >> how about trying to create a new crime. no collusion. now we have obstruction by tweet. whoa. i don't think the congress -- >> tweet. >> yeah, obstruction happens this way. hey -- or there's a gun. it doesn't happen by -- he has 80 million followers. >> a lot. >> sitting here looking at the federal code, trying to find collusion as a crime. >> it is not. >> collusion is not a crime. everything that's been released so far shows the president to be
absolutely innocent. he didn't to anything wrong. >> what is that? that's -- what is that, federal prosecution for fools? >> yeah. >> of course, rudy doesn't talk about how the president of the united states. >> debasing himself. >> -- kept out of the oval office and told the russian foreign minister and russia's ambassador to the united states, i fired the fbi to get pressure off of us, he's a nut case, wouldn't drop -- wouldn't drop the russian investigation. time and again, there's evidence that he was pressuring comey to drop the russia investigation, and when he didn't trump admitted he fired him because of it. >> it is really hard to know where to begin when you watch something like that. >> i wonder what's hard -- who believes that? >> well, it seems like -- didn't seem like anybody was questioning him. >> go to the google machine, and you see that everything he said is just foolish. >> yeah. >> and actually doesn't line up with what actually happened.
>> joining us, former assistant united states attorney in the criminal division of new york. and member of the house judiciary and intelligence committee democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. good to have you all. >> thank you, guys for being here. judge, let me start with you. how do you even begin to try to figure out what rudy guilliani is saying there, when he's a former u.s. prosecutor like you, understands -- >> my successor. >> yes. understands that investigations have to run their proper course, and you just can't shut down an investigation after actually the united states government's figured out that the russian government was actively trying to undermine our democracy. >> i think it would be a crime to shut down this investigation
early, and that people seriously try to make that argument makes absolutely no sense. there's an awful lot of material here that has to be coordinated, and the idea that you would cut it down early or the idea that you can dismiss the conversation that the president had with jim comey so cavalierly, it has all of the hallmarks of a criminal case. >> yeah. >> get the witnesses out of the room, and then the president doesn't say i was just trying to help a friend. he said, it didn't happen. >> judge martin, you have a column in "the washington post" entitled, the baseless, shameful campaign to discredit rod rosenstein. in it you write in part this. the claim that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein or anyone else involved in the fisa application the something inappropriate is wrong. while freedom caucus members call for the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate rosenstein, it mayer more appropriate to appoint a special prosecutor to
investigate an attempt to corruptly obstruct justice by members of congress who so obviously use their office to intimidate the deputy attorney general and to undermine the credibility of special counsel robert mueller's investigation. >> judge, you have republicans in the united states senate who agree with you, that the fisa judges, the republican-appointed fisa judges, did the right thing. >> and anybody who looks at that warrant application, reliability is the key. what does it say? this man has provided reliable information in the past. you've got an informant like that and he's not somebody with a criminal motive or any obvious motive. another interesting thing is that in the second -- in the first renewal application, they put in there that steele became so upset when comey went -- put out the letter saying they're reinvestigating hillary clinton that he went public.
so it was very clear that steele was somebody who was very interested in hillary clinton succeeding. >> so, congressman, i will ask you what i asked senator blumenthal before. do you look at the republicans in the senate, people like richard bure, head of the intel committee, chuck grassley, it seems that most republican senators are saying do the right thing, let him continue his investigation until we know all of the facts about how the russians tried to disrupt american democracy in 2016? >> they're giving us hope they have the bipartisan legislation to protect bob mueller. they should bring it to a vote immediately. i think it is really unacceptable that mitch mcconnell won't, but also their investigation is our last chance to fully understand what the russians did. you know, bob mueller can only tell the world what he can prove beyond a reasonable toubt. there's a lot of other things we can learn to protect our ballot
box you may not be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that congressional should have been able to prove. we should put it in the hands of experts and elders to tell you how we are so vulnerable, who worked with the russians and what the government response was. we have 200 members of congress on board bipartisan, but we need to take it outside of the capital because we don't know what to do if it happens again. >> daniel goldman, you a former ex federal prosecutor, have free advice to offer to michael cohen, which is to shut up. but could he help himself by talking to an extent or why shut up? >> can i as a guy who only practiced law for a couple of years and just practiced insurance defense for the most part answer that question? no, it does no good. >> no good at all? >> why isn't this guy shutting up? >> when we say shut up, it means shut up in public. obviously he should run in and
talk to the southern district. >> that's what i was figuring. >> the only explanation i can glean from this is because he -- who he -- the primary target he would testify against is the president and his sort of surrogate rudy guilliani who are on the attack constantly, that michael cohen i think is trying to burnish his own image in the public. >> he's playing a pr game in the public which really doesn't matter to robert mueller or the prosecutors in the southern district of new york or all of the people who his life is in their hand. >> not only does it not matter, it hurts his cooperation. >> right. >> a prosecutor does not want the evidence in an investigation out there in public for a variety of reasons. first of all, it will make cross-examination easier against michael cohen. but more importantly, other wys necessaries will be able to change their testimony to fit the evidence that they would not have known. >> they can prepare. >> that's why it is not helpful for the prosecution for michael
cohen to be talking. >> judge, he is only undermining his ability to get a good deal from the southern district, right? >> i think they are unhappy with what he's doing certainly, an obviously it will depend on how much good information he can give them and how much corroboration there is for him. >> elise? >> so do you think that members of congress have been obstructing justice in the russia investigation? >> they're stopping justice in the russia investigation. we saw that when we would bring people in like don jr. or michael cohen and ask direct questions about the trump tower meeting and don jr. would refuse to answer. you know you have subpoena power and you don't have to take the rue fu refusal, but each time we would say, make donald trump jr. answer, but they would say, no, we're here under a voluntary scheme, which is what they set up. they protected them at every single stop.
since they ended their investigation we learned about cambridge analytic, about roger stone's extensive contacts and we're learning more and more about michael cohen. these guys are going to learn the hard way in november i'm afraid. >> daniel, we really need to look at this from 30,000 feet because in the past we talked about the house members protecting donald trump. but is it not fair to say that after mueller's last round of indictments a couple of friday go ago where the united states government actually identified russians that were trying to undermine american democracy, that at this point if you are trying to stop mueller's investigation you're not just a dupe for donald trump, you're a dupe for vladimir putin and you are getting in the way of an investigation that's trying to get to the bottom of how the russians tried to undermine american democracy? >> that indictment set forth how the russians went forward, at least in one way to infiltrate
our election. >> right. >> what bob mealer has not ton at any point and i think this is intentional, he has not included any evidence of american involvement in any of what we call collusion. collusion is shorthand for conspiracy to defraud. >> why has he done that? >> for a couple of reasons. one is what we talked about with michael cohen. he doesn't want to let the public or other witness he know what evidence he has. two, i think he wants to wait and make a very measured and complete decision as to whether and what extent americans were involved. so he's going to keep it all confidential because there may be people that aren't charged that should not go -- be named in public or there may be people who will be charged. but he's basically gathering all of the evidence and doing what a professional prosecutor would do. >> right. >> and then he is going to make a final decision as to who is going to be charged and with what, and he's not going to leak anything and he's not going to
let anything out there. but i do think he's going to indict people. i think when that indictment drops it is going to be a bombshell. >> judge, finally, what's next? what do you think is next? >> think dan is right. i think mueller is not going to do anything until he has the whole thing put together, because if you have to put out something devastating to the president, you don't want to put out little pieces one at a time. >> uh-huh. member of the intelligence committee, congressman eric swalwell. former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, daniel goldman. former judge for the southern district of new york, john martin. thank you all. >> thank you all. up next, president trump suggests the media is putting american lives at risk. it is just one of several lines of attack from a weekend war of the tweets. we will run through it briefly next on "morning joe." preparing classic campfire trout. say what? trout. trout. all right. you don't think i need both? why does he have that axe? make summer go right with ford america's best selling brand.
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aren't conservative. like, you know, like i said last week. they're not only anti-conservative, they're ill liberal policies. for libertarians like charles koch, enough's enough. they're actually running ads against republicans in pennsylvania. they're running ads for heidi hide heightcamp. they say they're more willing to strike out against trump's radical big spending policies. >> the koch brothers are at the center of a network of conservative money that's going to spend $4 million in the course of this midterms. they have been basically a partisan group for a long time. what charles koch said in these interviews around their big aspen-based yearly conclave this past weekend was "we made mistakes." >> right. >> it was a mistake for us to be purely partisan. we should be about our ideas and not about party because now our
party's been hijacked by this president who's not really conservative. we're now going to change the direction of our spending and we're going to spend money on people who uphold conservative and libertarian principles. and we're going to try to punish those republicans who have capitulated to the president, particularly on issues like trade, that are not conservative or in line with their philosophy. it's a big, if they follow through on it and make spending decisions consistent with this new line, it will have a big impact. >> for people like you and me who are -- have always been conservative/libertarians. you probably a little more libertarian, be a little more conservative. you sit there and go, wait a second, this is the biggest spending group of republicans since the last time republicans -- >> respective if their spending -- >> listen, biggest spending bills ever. tariffs. trump and republicans picking winners and losers.
and then they have a socialist bill to bail out farmers who are already being bailed out. some huge agricultural companies are already being bailed out. this is socialism. why should charles koch spend his money -- >> right, and go against everything that he always has stood against. you know who is upset though, joe, steve bannon says that yn they should just get in line and they need to get on board and the master political strategist of roy moore's -- >> yes, yeah. >> i think that probably means charles koch is doing something right. >> mike, why -- >> we're off delay -- >> i've always said -- >> careful, loopy. >> why is that only directed at me? >> i've spoken at groups before like club for growth and always told them if you give americans a chance to vote for a real democrat, a republican spending like a democrat, they'll vote for the real democrat every time.
and these are big government republicans. some of these policies are just downright socialist. >> no, you have to do what you do here day after day and keep calling them out on this. the thing for the farmers. even bernie sanders probably looked at that and said, wow, i don't know if i would go that far. >> trump enacts emergency policy to enact tariffs that hurt farmers and then he enacts an emergency policy to blow 12 building more dollars on the first emergency he enacted. that is socialism. you're picking winners and losers and you're picking them badly. >> joe, this is the gas lighting of the american people. he's like president gas light, okay. and this is the problem. you call him a day trader, okay. this is what happens when you govern from news cycle to news cycle. and you don't like the reaction
to the news cycle. so you overreact the other way. >> you know what this reminds me of, this is marie le pen who dumb conservatives in america said, oh, we love her. stupid republicans in america said, oh, we hope she wins. she's a socialist. she's a socialist who happens to be a racist at the same time. that's what they're getting here. they say, oh, well give us two supreme court justices and we will vote for a socialist who adopts vladimir putin -- >> go to loopy. >> you know who also likes her, steve bannon, a big fan of le pen. when you look at what we're talking about here, the spending decisions, is this the first sign of the donor class maybe being a force for positive change in the republican party? >> only if they scare him enough. because all he cares about is -- john, is his own political ambition. john, think about sorting through that tweet storm of
yesterday. but i always look for good news somewhere, okay. so when he was talking about angry dems yesterday, i think, okay, this is a new video game. forget about angry birds. we now go to angry dems. demonizing the other people. but guess what, what happens in 99 days? james carville said something to me the other day. you know who's going to change the narrative in this country, women are. >> i agree with that. fundamental realignment. women are fed up. >> it is -- >> right? >> you know, charles koch, other big republican donors, could literally change tomorrow not by scaring trump but by scaring republicans who have been kowtowing to a guy who has an anti-trade policy, socialist redistribution of income, plans to cover up his tariff policies. those congressmen, congress
and i want. to talk. to. the city there for you news live from berlin in northern iraq the region once ruled by the so-called islamic state is facing an uncertain future district chick city was liberated three years ago but remains a ghost town we have an exclusive report from sin jar the capital of the young d.d.'s the religious minority i.a.s. militants tried to annihilate. us president donald trump says he's willing to meet
with a radiant president hassan rouhani the surprise offer comes a week after rewarding times don't threaten us or you'll suffer historic consequences. counting is underway after a strong turnout in zimbabwe's landmark election the bob williams hope this restored local usher in a real change after decades of corruption and neglect under former president mugabe's rule. plus forest green the world's worst isn't just their name it's this football club. when the british team went green they were the first to do so in organized sports now they're the first club to be certified as carbon neutral party united nations. i'm sorry so much going to good to have you with us we start in northern iraq which was liberated nearly three years ago from the so-called islamic state when it swept through the region i-s. targeted minorities like the yazidi don't follow the islamic faith militants.
killed or kidnapped and enslaved thousands of years the eighty's and even now the group is still recovering from the i.a.s. genocide returning and starting afresh is a mammoth task very few people have tried to start a new life in the region and its capital center or shingle as it's known in kurdish did every burger to show the trouble there and brings us this exclusive report. on the capital of the years he dislikes in ruins devastated by invasion and the fight for liberation most people fled when so-called islamic state took the city and killed an enslaved thousands now that the islamists have been expelled only a few residents have returned in many parts feels like a ghost town two hundred of years after liberation from my ex only three thousand families have returned to a city which once had more than eighty thousand inhabitants. there still no sign of reconstruction there are no hospitals schools or functional administration
weren't years edis they would have taken care of us like they did other people. move more than residents come to him every day asking for money for reconstruction but he can't help them the government says it wants to press on with rebuilding but almost pessimistic after the latest protests he says he expects any available money to be spent elsewhere. film that report with me gets a shock and she joins us in our studio to tell us more about this story good morning sandra thank you for joining us we should say that shingle is what the kurdish call singe are for some of our viewers who might not know that name why is the reconstruction of this place taking so long well it is still a disputed territory first of all plus it is the homeland of a minority and of course other parts of iraq like mosul have also been destroyed muscle being the second largest city so you know it's not that the iraqi government
has a lot of money to throw around for reconstruction and. it's also a rather isolated area i think they don't really see the need to put money into an area which is disputed between central government and the kurdish autonomous government and also other forces playing out there like you know people k.k.k. kurdish forces syrian y.p. g. forces militia so you know it's really very congested up there real so heard one man say in your report you know the cities are like fifth class citizens did you see that as well they're well i mean if you see how people are treated there that they don't really receive any oficial aid for reconstruction you know for rebuilding their destroyed houses for road clear and for the clearance of booby traps unexploded devices remnants of war you must assume that yes they are treated as or a fifth class citizens they don't feel that they are taken care of and protection they lack
percent. zimbabweans have been waiting a long time for a chance to have a real say in who gets to run their country so what's a few more hours in the queue. some people get up at four am to head to polling stations and cast their vote without fear. everyone is able to put to use for it freely not being intimidated intimidated but is just free it's a special day because of this time is a new generation to choose who aren't ever since we were born is never expressed our choice more than twenty candidates are running for president but the election is really a battle between two men incumbent president emerson and god from the zanu p.f. party and opposition leader nelson chamisa from the movement for democratic change although many tipped the incumbent president to win opinion polls show jimmy said
finished the campaign strongly after casting their ballots both candidates expressed their hopes for a democratic and peaceful election there's no doubt that if the ballot is an appropriate one a genuine and not a bus that dies or if a court victory certain for the people there may be very. well the process will come really was this if it's a good thing to do is this i removed out of that in the presence of the entire political process will remain because. elections under the also retiree and rule of robert mugabe were often marred by violence and voter intimidation this time the vote was largely peaceful but some shortcomings have been reported. for some of the troops very small. but it receives it is still very disorganized. that
people become leaf we have not found although that is incidents of bad organisation still it's a far cry from the mugabe era today the man who used to rules and bob way with an iron fist is just an ordinary voter and many hope this means that real change is finally coming to that country. staying in africa and a controversial new effort by the e.u. to intercept migrants before they attempt a perilous crossing to europe now most migrants from sub-saharan africa pass tunisia where on their journey to the mediterranean from nature their travel on to libya where many end up in camps with often appalling conditions beatings and rape are commonplace under the new e.u. program the most vulnerable of migrants are flown from libya back to nature where there are they are housed in shelters run by the united nations here migrants can apply directly for asylum in europe and remain there while their claim is being processed but critics say thousands of people including children end up stranded in
the camps with little hope of ever making it to europe catherine martin is travel to new capital for a firsthand look. she's a young lady is thirty and from somalia she doesn't want to show her face but she's committed to telling how she was driven from her home. of the article was that my husband was killed and i was at home with my children masked men came into our house they raped me and beat me i still have the scars from my that's why i came here he did in kosovo who was and they would have a piece is one of around fifteen hundred refugees evacuated by the united nations from libyan camps last autumn they have endured war and many of them sexual violence every one of these women was deemed especially vulnerable by u.n. staff who arranged for them to be flown out there now recovering in the shelter for
women and children in need air before being flown to europe. funding for the shelter comes from the e.u. it's a prime example of legal migration without the pitfalls of a perilous mediterranean crossing once there refugees are right here from detention in libya we provide them with the media's assistance with protection we have a team of psychologists working with them so we have what we call a philosophy of care basically we provide them with recreational activities with counseling with their we provide them with language classes to prepare them for resettlement shares a former french colony and one of the poorest countries in the world it also has the world's highest birth rate on average women in the share has six children there's little infrastructure and economic output is low the west african nation is africa's main transit hub for refugees and people smuggling is big business the president of the european parliament has come to assess the situation first hand antonio tell yani says the e.u.
aims to reverse the trend by providing shelters so refugees are not driven into the hands of smugglers and we have to stop these groups of profit from the lot of africans who die in the desert and in this we have to stop them completely. in order to help me share support the refugees as they wait for resettlement in europe the e.u. is pumping money into the local economy most people like those here in the capital niamey live hand to mouth this woman sell snacks for about one cent each but not many people buy these men sell tea on the street sometimes it's enough to buy a phone card despite rampant poverty as president says his country is ready to help but long term it will need much more money from the e.u. . it's important that we wage a targeted by against poverty. through public but also through private investment.
some of the refugees in the shelters here in the. people have been waiting more than a year to get to europe the un has been sharply critical of some you can trees that want nothing to do with legal migration and refuse a refugee quota. to tell us if their process would move more quickly which would mean that we could save more lives we could bring more people from detention tunisia. keyes's one of the few who have made it this far and she at least will have an opportunity to start a new peaceful life in europe without having to put her fate in the hands of smugglers. now to what is perhaps the world's greenest football team britain's forest green rovers has become the world's first sports organization to be certified as carbon neutral by the united nations the club's chairman has even banned needs from being served at the stadium making for a screen the first wigan football team as well here's a look at the march of the green army. home matches it forest green rovers on the
surface appear just like any other football game players give their all on the pitch and fans cheer them along but forest green known as the green army vastly differs firstly only begin food is served because of animal welfare and health reasons secondly this pichot forest green is organic and rainwater is recycled in fact the entire facility is powered by green energy and now the club has signed up for a united nations initiative called climate neutral now. so we become the first sports club in the world to be climate neutral according to the un which is quite exciting and. have three would do more with them i think we would because they're on the same page as we are sport looks to be a great vehicle to carry this insane ability to secure the united nations' hopes
that forest green becoming carbon neutral will set a precedent for others to follow what we're working on this sports for climate action on any ship there where we hope all organizations will also step up their reaction on climate and for as we always will be different leanna an example that we share. their green credentials have also been matched by strong performances on the pitch forest green was recently promoted to the english football league for the first time in its history. it's high time for business with get hired now and taxi drivers in madrid and barcelona they are still striking today that's right and this new strikes come off the talks with spain's public works ministry broke down last night the strikes began last week in protest of what the taxi drivers call unfair competition rivaling says it's like having five. monday night passed without
a resolution between the drivers and government strike leaders said they'll go on. today's decision is that we continue hundreds of taxis have paralyzed barcelona and they're refusing to budge until they get results the strikes have since spread to madrid and smaller cities like that happening this is the first time the taxes have taken a decision where one hundred percent together on this this isn't you know it has to be thirty to one nothing else will do he means that in the future only one permit should be issued for every thirty normal taxi permits among those worst hit by the strike tourists trying to get from barcelona's airport to the city center extra bus services have been put on but they're still packed full. we're trying they're all there because the batteries for suitcases is very difficult for us on the streets a tough day today especially with children six hours jetlag and then the airports are empty things are hard that i mean nuber
a cab if i if they're working here because this morning in barcelona they were jammed last option would be a train or think. thousands of taxi drivers across spain are now part of the strike they say ride sharing services like goober threaten their livelihoods as of now they continue to wait for a resolution. tesla is planning on building a huge manufacturing center in europe and the american company is in talks with two german federal states as it explores building so-called maker factory in europe more negotiations are taking place in the netherlands the facility will assemble batteries well as vehicles fall into tesla they'll reach a decision about the location by the end of the year just recently tesla announced plans to build a large factory in china after a million cars will supposedly be produced there each year the comic has recently struggled to meet delivery targets for those mass mobile three. for
years tech shares have been the strongest winners on stock exchanges the robber world but as of late the fast growing business seems to be in trouble and investors are worried facebook shares lost just about twenty percent in a single day last week when the company failed to meet analyst expectations it cost the social network more than one hundred billion dollars in market value for this week software makers electronic arts and take. down almost seven percent each netflix lost six percent meanwhile investors are gearing up for a barrage of earnings including apple later today. well from all its talk to my colleague paul concern but it's who is standing by in frankfurt poll takers been down for. a few days now what's behind the losses and do investors fear this is a trend. yes gearhart there's been a big selloff triggered by earnings season mostly on by the other tech companies as
well also in asia and the problem is that these companies have been shouldering a bullish market for nine years almost singlehandedly so the expectations have grown and grown and grown and now stellar growth is already priced into the share so if a company doesn't quite match that. there's a high chance of a drop right now i spoke to analysts earlier and they said this was way overdue tech companies valuations have been way too high and if you look at it for nine years you know you can't always be on top it might be time for a bigger change although they say it's too early to say whether that will continue . further down much more well for many is apple has been the hottest of those tech companies the one investors are watching most closely what's in store with the quarter the numbers are coming out. yes apple the
world's most valued company is actually flirting with a one trillion valuation once again it would have to go up seven percent though from its current price and well let's look at what is pointing in that direction i phone sales are says suspected to be stable it also bought back some of its shares that might help but we don't know how the company is dealing with china trade tariffs yet and yet tech is difficult right now so one trillion is all but certain. problems and frank thank you. talking about some so missed its latest earnings which. actions due to lower demand for its flagship galaxy devices the latest sign of a slowdown for smartphones as the market gets saturated the south korean electronics heavyweights recorded a thirty five percent drop in operating profit in its smartphone division or me
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these are the slicers. they slice people up. >> they wanted me to walk up and go like this. some of the president at his rally in pennsylvania last night and much, much more of that. good morning, everyone. it's friday, august 3rd. welcome to "morning joe." we have a number of important developments to get through this morning, including a stark warning from the intel community. russia is at it again. they've got the public's attention, but what about the president's? does he care? what's going on? plus, dan coats speaks truth to power, again. the director of national intelligence admits he still does not know what the president told vladimir putin last month in helsinki. think about it. the director of national intelligence. and ivanka trump says that it was a low point for her when the separations of children from their family were happening
Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day.
barletta or candidates across the country, republican candidates. >> there's a reason i'm asking. i'm going completely around the table, rapid fire here. david ignatius, we'll take you next. especially specifically on the media and on russia. your take on the president last night. >> well, it's as if we have two governments. one government that states responsible policies drawn from what our intelligence agencies have discovered issuing warnings to state governments, doing the business of government, and then we have this other government, this other ring in our national circus in which the president conducts a daily anti-elitist rant, the principle targets are people in the media. ate to say it, we're the best thing he's got going for him. he doesn't have other issues besides rousing the public to think se are elitiselitist, to s phrase "enemies," but he's
making us the central theme of his campaign. we have to see that right in the eyes, but it is as if, mika, they're two separate rings to this circus now. >> yeah. and it seems like some people are beginning to really understand that. especially -- he was going after generals last night. jon meacham, anybody in history, a figure in history, that parallels what's happening with this president? >> i think it's joe mccarthy. as if mccarthy had become president to go to john's point about it getting old. roy cohn, joe mccarthy's counsel and donald trump's. sometimes you don't have to make this stuff up. it falls in your lap. he wrote a book about mccarthy saying, a., he bought anti-communism the way other people buy a used car, it was just a vehicle to take over the american politics and particularly in the right wing,
cbs news had an amazing poll stunning. people defined themselves as strong trump supporters. 90% of people who say their information from trump they believe is accurate. 60% from friends or family they believe is accurate. 10% from the media. think about it again. people in that audience, we have to describe them as strong trump supporters. if their friend or family member told them something they're less likely to believe it than that goff ball up there, crazy uncle donny. going back to the two governments david brought up, crazy uncle donny, a figure we continue to have completely unaccountable to even his own staff and no repercussion. we were talk this today, chris wray, bolton, this is a fact, this is a fact, their boss gets onstage and says it's not. crazy uncle donny talking to his base stunningly regardless what
he says will continue to go, but -- but -- the voters will speak in november. >> they will. >> and 33%, 34%, yes, a lot of vote in the primary, but a wave of likes have never been seen before. >> my take is this. it's blunt. fair to say. i've been there before and i did it when it wasn't cool to do. i'm going to do it again. he's not well. that's the bottom line. there's no way nine knows donald trump but has not bought in in some way could watch him last night and not come away with the feeling that the president of the united states is completely unhinged and getting worse by the day. perhaps the stress is really squeezing in on him. it's interesting that a former reality tv star and colleague of trump is releasing a book with the title "unhinged." this is a woman who knew him during his reality show days, very well. and then went with him to the white house and in it she describes a reaction to a man
that she had known for over a decade who is in a state of mental decline. it's a concern we've voiced on this show during the campaign and over the last tumultuous 18 months. try and find someone who's not politically invested or too fearful of donald trump or the republican party who knew the man a decade ago who will tell you that his mental state has not deteriorated erratically over the past few years or changed or come out in some way. it is transforming what we're watching. you will not find that person from donald trump's past. if they're telling you the truth. we were told of his unfitness for office by those closest to him on the campaign and we saw it ourselves up close in the december 2015 interview in which he first pledged his fealty to vladimir putin. let me tell you, you can pull that interview up. it's a little embarrassing, but i will say you can see in our faces in realtime us kind of going from jovial and fun to
state of mind watching that rally last night, and with that we go to the major developments yesterday. willie? >> i mentioned those national security directors in the white house yesterday. they gathered in the briefing room reportedly at the president's personal instruction, top national security and intel officials delivering a strong and clear message about russia's continued interference in the u.s. election process. >> this threat is not going away. as i have said consistently, russia attempted to interfere with the last election, and continues to engage in maligned influence operations to this day. this is a threat we need to take extremely seriously and to tackle and respond to with fierce determination and focus. >> the intelligence community continues to be concerned about the threats of upcoming u.s. elections. both the midterms and the presidential elections of 2020.
in regards to russian involvement in the midterm elections, we continue to see a pervasive messaging campaign by russia to try to weaken and divide the united states. these efforts are not exclusive to this election or future elections but certainly cover issues relevant to the election. >> our focus here today is simply to tell the american people we acknowledge the threat. it is real. it is continuing, and we're doing everything we can to have a legitimate election that the american people can have trust in. in addition that that, it goes beyond the elections. it goes to russia's intent to undermine our democratic value, drive a wedge between our allies and do a number of other nefarious things. >> our democracy itself is in the cross hairs. free and fair elections are the cornerstone of our democracy and it has become clear that they are the target of our
adversaries who seek as the dni just said to sow discourt and undermine our way of life. >> during the day in the white house briefing room, a pretty clear message. fast forward a few hours later. this is what the president said in that rally in pennsylvania. >> in helsinki i had a great meeting with putin. we discussed everything. had a great meet. i had a great meeting. we got along really well. by the way, that's a good thing. not a bad thing. that's a really good thing. now, we're being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax. okay? i'll tell you what. russia's very unhappy that trump won. that i can tell you. but i got along great with putin. and everybody said, wow. that was great -- that was great. a couple hours later i started hearing these reports that, you
know, they wanted me to walk up, here's the podium here. they wanted me to walk up and go like this -- son of a -- they wanted me to go up and have a boxing match. i said, whatever happened to diplomacy? and, by the way -- whatever happened to diplomacy? and know? i used to study -- not too much -- diplomacy. i said, whatever happened to getting everything you want? >> so there's a lot in there, obviously. president putin at that press conference in helsinki said very clearly he wanted president trump to win, the then donald trump to become president. >> twice. >> davis ignatius, walk through this. what we heard yesterday is not a new conclusion. wa what's the intelligence agencies came to in january 2017, 19 months ago, just going
out stating it's still happening and continues in the 2018 midterm elections. so why would president trump, if reporting is president trump sent them out to do that only to undercut that a couple hours later? obviously, it's a mystery in some ways, but what i've sensed since the helsinki summit is that -- in the public, i know dan coats in his famous interview with andrea mitchell, he was stuned by what he didn't know, but he just, you know, told the truth. question after question. secretary mattis, i've listened to secretary mattis speak at a dinner in public. he's gone into the press rooms, followed into the pentagon, much more forthright about what he sees and thinks is going on. some of that from secretary pompeo at the state department. i was interested to see kristen
nielsen, dhs secretary often backed up by criticism from president trump saying emphatically, our democracy is in the cross hairs. they're using strong language to describe to the public what they say. and then you have the president, it's almost like lawyers talk about jury nullification. going to the jury. what those people tell you is not as important as these te terrible outrages down me and minimizing it. it's not the first time a politician has gone the other way from his administration and tried to arouse the base completely independent of what the government does every day. >> right. >> i think the question that we're facing, we're going to get an answer in a couple months. what the public makes of this weird two -- two-stage circus, two-government thing we're watching, but it was good to see the senior officials of our government be so emphatic and
clear in stating the truth as they understand it. >> those men and women don't stand up there in the white house briefing room without the president knowing about it and probably signing off on it. is he giving himself cover saying we have come out strongly against russia and then can continue to say that it's a hoax on twitter and at rallies? >> i actually there there's two tracks. has to cover himself on the security side. doesn't want to seem weak here, but as he went after mueller and the team and tried to bring them down, i think he's trying to -- he knows what he's done, and i think he's trying to build up putin so when we do find out what his dealings were, he's not seemed as such the bad guy. he's basically just doing a reverse mueller to help himself, that the facts come out and we say, oh, well, putin's not such a bad guy. the president's been telling us that that. we can be friends with him, so whatever he's done won't seem as bad. >> lots of evidence of contrary,
that vladimir putin is not such a bad guy. >> we know that, but as donny mentioned. the people who believe in donald trump believe what he says and they will to the end. >> can we ask republicans a question? based on what the entire intelligence community has said, why, two weeks ago, they voted down an amendment to spend an additional $250 million to make our election safer? actually said, no. we don't want to spend that money to protect our election. i have a question for mr. meacham, i often do, john, call you up tuesday and thursday nights to get historical perspective. everybody tosses the word impeachment around. if we have a president whose job is to serve and protect this country. protect this country. and it's clear his entire intelligence team said this is a threat and when you think about a threat. god forbid we had elections and the day after it came out they were truly tampered with, we'd have chaos in the streets. so if the president denies that, why is that not an impeachable offense? any historical perspective in a
situation like this? no different than a missile aimed at us, that our intelligence -- he says, no, it's not. we're okay. why is that in his basic job not in the most simplistic terms an impeachable offense? >> i think it would be. the phrase in the constitution as you know, donny. i appreciate you're setting me up for this, is -- treason, bribery and other high crimes or misdemeanors and treason is defined as giving aid and comfort to an enemy, and so i think that would fall clearly within the definition if a majority of the house and if two-thirds of the senate wanted to do it. gerald ford once said that, an impeachable offense is whatever a certain number of legislators think it is at any given time. one of the issues about impeachment is in the constitutional convention james madison and others did not want it to be a weapon to fight what they administration.
immediately for it to move to an impeachable one. our three big impeachments, andrew jackson, richard nixon, bill clinton, but this would fall within it clearly. mid-term election is essential here. what i've been hearing and you all, too, i'm sure. democrats do extremely well on the generic ballot around the country. when impeachment comes up, that number, i'm told, goes down somewhat. which is an interesting dichotomy. i think people still have some regret over the bill clinton episode. so i don't think the country broadly put is there yet, but i think if you have a democratic majority in the house and i think it entirely depends on what director mueller comes back with. mueller is the iceberg in american politics. we see the tip. we don't know what's below, and
it's coming. >> all right. also i want to get to this story. it's important. this week the passing of former congressman, mayor and united states marine ron dellums. ron was a former u.s. representative and oakland mayor known for helping found the congressional black caucus and speaking out against apartheid in south africa. joe describes ron as a progressive hero who was a fierce advocate for all the liberal causes he embraced but managed at the same time to be a man respected and beloved by conservatives and liberals alike. and joe wrote on twitter, "one of the great surprises in congress was meeting this guy and loving every second around him. ron dellums and i rarely voted together, but he was beloved and respected by everyone from john lewis to tom delay. ron was a marine. a dedicated public servant and a great american."
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of former trump campaign-aid paul manafort. yesterday prosecutes sought to knock down an argument calling to the stand manafort's former bookkeeper testifying manafort was "very knowledgeable and detail oriented" adding "he approved every penny of everything we paid." the book cokeeper had no idea at his bank accounts. rick gates handled some business matters but manafort was the main source of approval. she added gates was not involved in manafort's personal expenses. in an effort to clear up confusion from the prior day, the prosecution says it does intend to have gates, its star witness, testify.
joining us now, contributor barbara mcquade inside the courtroom most days this week. good to have you with us. get us caught up on day two. how important is this bookkeeper to the story the prosecution wants to tell? >> critically important to the case, because the defense really has been that it was all rick gates. that paul manafort was a very busy man running his business. he didn't have time to attend to the business side of things and it was rick gates who was doing these things that committed these crimes, but when we heard from the bookkeeper, she made it very clear that paul manafort was paying very close attention to the details, and that he approved every penny of expenses and was involved in the revenues and so i think most of what she said undercut that defense strategy. >> so barbara, you've handled prosecutions, many of them, some like this. it feels from the outside and looks like prosecutors have a pretty strong hand. if you are prosecuting this
case, how would you be feeling right now? >> well, i think prosecutors are by nature pessimists and careful and worried about failure and so i think that it feels like it's going in well, but they know that there's also snag can trip you up. so they are always attuned to every detail and you can tell this team is as well. to look at it objectively, it's going in very well. this judge is a little bit cantankerous. a little bit of a micromanager. but most of the evidence is coming in and it has shown a couple things so far. number one, paul manafort had incredibly lavish taste, was buying expensive suits, expensive cars, landscaping for his homes, multiple homes and that he used these accounts in cypress to pay for those things. that's been clear. yesterday it came out that his business began to dry up in 2015 and so that he submitted what appeared to be false income documents to obtain loans on
mortgages on these properties. so one interesting observation, won't really come up as part of this case but could come up in the september case, at the very moment from paul manafort, someone who loves money, issing wering flat broke, goes to work for the trump campaign for free. what was that all about? an intriguing factor relating to the other part of the case, which is the russia part. >> john heilemann here. an amazing thing to see just how broke. i mean, we say he was in financial duress, the man was dead broke in early 2016. i saw a piece of reporting yesterday from some of the documents that he had a credit score of about 550, which would have put him in sort of subprime territory. the question that you just raised is a totally fascinating question. how can this man afford to go to work for donald trump for free? what's the story there? but -- i think it's very important, and super crucial to the overall narrative, but does it matter to this case why paul
manafort was able to, or would want to, go to work for donald trump for free in the spring of 2015? >> no. for this case his work for donald trump i don't think is even going to get before the jury. i don't think they'll know about that aspect of the case. what matters here is he was broke, and why that matters, because that provides the motive for him to engage in his bank fraud. why would this incredibly wealthy man engage in bank fraud? so desperate for cash. at one point the bookkeeper testified she warned them, so low on cash, they weren't going to be able to afford health insurance for david manafort partners, that's when she reviewed documents that appeared to be fake inflating the income by $4 million, that were submitted to banks to receive loans and that's because the cash flow for paul manafort was completely absent after, in contrast, to what we heard of these incredibly expensive
tastes of the money he was pumping into this luxury lifestyle. >> barbara mcquade in the cum. day four of the trial starts in about three hours. thanks so much. appreciate it. now to the overpriced rare jacket correspondent donny deutsch. the ostrich on the left, 15 grand. python, 18.5. what's the better buy? >> insulted you even asked me. anybody who kind of follows exotic animal jackets. >> python. right? >> this show is of a high intellectual caliber. you ask obvious questions, audience is disappointed. they come to us for news you can use. this is news you already know. >> disappointed by the ostrich jacket. we expected feathers, no skin. >> the jacket was made of ostrich. you kept thinking plumage. looks like a leather jacket. big deal. >> one of more liberace and less
manafort. >> we won't daudon't want peopl disappro disapprove. >> enough. 95 days until the midterms. some congress' republicans are having a hard time. talk how an endorsement from president trump can affect a candidate's chances this fall. "morning joe" will be right back.
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looking forward to being in the great state of ohio saturday night where i will be campaigning hard for a talented future congressman troy balderson. the republican nominee who will face democrat danny o'connor in next week's special election. that mixup aside, if president trump manages to back the accurate candidate in a race, it could be a deciding factor between a win and a loss. let's bring in national political reporter for axios, jonathan swan, looking at how much value a trump endorsement has for some of these midterm candidates. so is there a lot of value, jonathan? or does it depend on where exactly? >> well, trump among republican primary voters, the interesting thing about trump is, he's historically popular among republican voters, and very, very unpopular among the jeng p general public. it makes republican officials very nervous, because a trump
endorsement in a primary is incred pkrecredibly powerful. list the former gubernatorial primary, pushed ron desantis to a double ditch cgit conservativ knows the state well. then you push them into a general election, they're tied at the hip to trump. a lot of republican officials that we're talking to are very nervous about the next phase after trump pushes them through to win the primary. >> so jonathan, it's hileman herhilemann here. talked yesterday about the stump in pennsylvania. strikes me that message is well tailored to a republican primary audience and not so well tailored to a general election audience, especially not well tailor in a purple or blue state. your very familiar with a lot of polling data and analytics. is there -- i'd like to -- talk a little about what the data
says about the stuff trump is saying and how it will play in places where republicans need to win if they're going to hold control of the house and the senate. >> well, you have touched on the central problem with all of this, which is that the messages that trump -- the messages trump puts out there, very hard-line on immigration, trade, some of these other issues and also just the general, as you say, rambling kind of character attacks and fairly extreme language about the media, that is woptd ewonderful in a republ primary. one of the problems, earlier in the year when trump stress add desire to barnstorm the country and basically visit every house district, he had people like corey lewandowski saying, mr. trump you are the greatest campaigner the world's ever seen. you should be out on the trail, everwhere, blitz the country. the problem some of these republican members were kwee qu
approaching the white house political shop and saying we don't actually want the president in our district, because some of the vulnerable republicans thinking of c carbellows from florida, they don't want him there. appealing to voters who don't necessarily appeal to the president's messages. >> jon meacham, the senate race between marcia blackburn, republican and former tennessee governor phil bredesen. popular in the state for a long time. how does it look like it will shake out in tennessee? >> the primary was last night. and it's bredesen versus blackburn. i think bredesen is up unusually. i think a little bit in most of the polling that i've seen. as you say, very business friendly. very moderate democrat, very
high-ranking republicans will say privately is, this is exactly the kind of democratic nominee they fear the most. because suburban women, millennials, african-americans are going to come out driven by an anti-trump fervor, but establishment republicans who had to put their principles to some extent in a blind trust in 2016 will be able to vote across the aisle in a race like this. vote for a democrat, and it matters n s nationally, not jus because i hope some day you'll be doing the weather on channel 5 one day. >> that's a promise. >> we have the helicopter chopper for you, the traffic thing. in a -- in a senate that's so narrowly divided, this is a republican pickup, because this is bob corker's seat. so what's going to happen is, you're going to see, i think, a lot of images between now and
november where trump will be in the state, doing these big rallies for blackburn, trying to keep that base moving. congresswoman blackburn is a figure on fox news. she's someone that campaigned for the president. he knows her. so you really do have a great microcosm, as you say, of what will be shaping the make upof the congress. >> all right. jonathan swan, thank you very much for your reporting, and coming up, ivanka trump says it was a low point for her, the separations of families from their children, and she also talked about whether or not the media is the enemy of the people. but the press secretary, given multiple chances, refused echo the sentiment on the media that ivanka put out. we'll talk about that ahead on "morning joe."
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well. i feel very strongly about that, and i am very vehemently against family separation, and the separation of parents and children. >> yeah, but you can do better than that. i'm sorry, willie. low point? ivanka trump. people seeking asylum in america trying to escape poverty, abuse, fear, violence. coming here and facing never seeing their kids again? that was ivanka trump yesterday acknowledging the impact of her father's policy on herself. the policy that tore children from their parents at the u.s. border. ivanka has never talked about the topic, other than congratulating her father over twitter after he stopped the policy that he created. yet hundreds, possibly thousands, of children's lives still hang in the balance, but
that was a low point for her. so these kids are sitting in detention facilities. they're at "summer camp" some would say, facing potentially never seeing their seeing their again. >> but also a low point for the administration, as into suggest that it's not like -- it's something that happened to the administration as opposed to something that the administration inflicted on these children. a low point for the administration. like the weather. >> a low point for her. i just want to say that because ivanka trump has her own political aspirations you're going to have to do this a little better. you'll have to try and act like you care. you have to try and act like people are not merchandise products. you'll have to try and act like this matters to the fabric of what this country was created upon. who we are. this is not just a low point for you. this is not something you can throw away by calling it a low point for you. like maybe your company and all the people you had to fire
because it's no longer politically convenient for you. this is not something you throw away because it's an out of production ivanka trump dress. no. these are people. these are children who right now we don't know where they are. we don't know exactly how many there are. we don't know how they are. but we know that they are being abused because they have been ripped away from their families, and some of them will never see their families again. and i just want to point out that this administration, this administration was warned about this policy. you heard the hhs secretary early this week talking about the effort to warn this administration, to warn you, it was an hhs official, warning you that this was the prong thing to do. that there would be bad outcomes here. and yet the president put this policy into place. the attorney general announced
it. the dhs secretary said we hope that people get the message, this policy will help them get the message. this policy ripped children away from their families and some of them will never see their families again. and you, counselor to the president finally speak on it and you call it a low point for you. i don't think ate low point for you. i think it's a national disgrace and i think there's a lot of people who still want answers how these children are going to be reunited with their families feign care get yourself to the border and stay there until something really substantive is done. otherwise your words don't matter. we actually don't care what this was like for you. we care about the children. and we care about their families. we care about people coming here seeking asylum, coming to america the way many of our family members did, the way you talked about your mother. i believe you talked about
people who come here from around the world, the melting pot that is america. you talked about it so positively. and yet what a low point for this administration and for you personally. it's still going on. it's not over. it's still going on. willie. >> the other maddening part about this is ivanka trump continues to talk like she's a bystander to all of this. she's the certificate advisor for the president. she's supposed to be with the president's ear. of all the children she's the one -- >> with her warning she could not stop it and bummed out for herself. >> again and again she comes in after the fact and talks about how distressing it was as though she has no say in the matter. >> that's exactly right. is she out there as the president's daughter. she has a west wing role and she does nothing. she voiced no agenda. she did have one thing she was kind of involved with. this should be her agenda. and to talk about things in the way of what i was upset and my
low point, stop it and do something. she is not on tv as the president's daughter. that's the question she was asked. that's not how she was asked those questions. frankly she sold her doe be more involved in washington what's going on. >> i think it was either do something or go back to new york. >> all right. we've got to get to the press angle on this and we want to get more on that. sarah huckabee sanders, more with david ignatius on that topic coming up. and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
welcome back to "morning joe". it's a few minutes before the top of the hour here. we've been talking about ivanka trump calling her father's family separation policy a low point for her and the white house. ivanka told mike allen that the press is not the enemy of the people as her father had said repeatedly. >> do you think that we're the enemy of the people? >> sorry? [ laughter ] >> we're the enemy of the people? >> no, i do not. >> she says no i do not think the press is the enemy of the people. president trump later tweeted they asked my daughter whether the media is the enemy of the people. she correctly said no. it's the fake percentage which is a large percentage of the media that's the enemy of the people. at the white house briefing yesterday sarah huckabee sanders refused to answer whether she agrees with president trump that the media is the enemy of the people.
>> it's ironic, jim, that not only you and the media attacked the president for his rhetoric when they frequently lower the level of conversation in this country. repeatedly, repeatedly the media resorts to personal attacks without any content other than to incite anger. the media continues to ratchet up the verbal assault against the president and everyone in this administration and certainly we have a role to play but the media has a role to play for the discourse in this country as well. >> the president of the united states should not refer to us as enemy of the people. her own daughter acknowledges that. i ask you to acknowledge that right here and right now. >> i acknowledge your passion. i share it. i've addressed my personal feelings. i'm here to speak on behalf of the president. he's made his comments clear. >> she says she speaks on behalf of the president. his comment has been that the press is the enemy of the people. even in these times at an
extraordinary moment when the press secretary will not say that the working press is not the enemy of the people. >> yeah. as you say, it's hard to determine which is a lower moment. it's an elective kind of base management. it's pernicious. this is dangerous. this is not media elite people defending elite media people. to declare that a free press is the enemy of the people. and i just would say this, if i had two minutes with president trump, which is very unlikely, what i would say is this, we know you care about success and ratings. most people do. what do you want us to think when we look at your portrait down the years?
do you want us to think of the reality show impresario and continued to govern just for his base or do you want us to look at you he got there by unconventional means but he tried to reach out beyond the people who didn't support him. the latter which is what you should want because this cycle is for a moment, sarah huckabee sanders will be dealing this with the rest of her life. these moments are for the moment. history is forever. and i just would think that -- the fact that it's in the national interest leave that aside. it's in their self-interest to stop playing this totalalitarian card. somebody will get hurt. it's not worth it. >> david ignatius, after sarah huckabee sanders had that moment in the briefing room, it was only amplified at the president's rally last night where he spent a large chunk --
he was there to campaign for somebody -- a large chunk of that speech railing against the media calling it the fake, fake, disgusting news was the term he used. on and won this obsession he's not treated fairly he's not given the credit he deserves for his achievements. >> it's a toxic situation. i think the president knows exactly what he's doing in his populism, media is the symbol of the elite that he wants to encourage the country to denounce. pretty soon we'll be getting the lock them up, the way things are going. that press room that sarah huckabee sanders is running is toxic. i've never seen anything like that in 40 plus years of being a journalist. she should be ashamed of the briefing process that she's running. it's just unbelievable when she's asked to deny that the press is the enemy of the people after the first daughter said
that is nonsense and she won't do it. and she won't do it because she's afraid of her boss, she's afraid of donald trump, and you can see watching him last night in pennsylvania why she's afraid of him. >> that's the big contrast. ivanka can't be fired and sarah huckabee sanders knows she can be fired. she's caring more about keeping her job. >> ivanka did what she needed to do for ivanka. sarah huckabee sanders is doing what she needs to do for president trump. in the process we're losing something incredibly important in this democracy. join the conversation to continue on this, eugene robinson. it's staggering to watch sarah huckabee sanders every day at the press briefing, every say it gets, if possible, more shocking and more disturbing when it
comes to manipulating or devaluing the truth. what i saw yesterday was something worse, and she was reading prepared statements. this is a strategy, this is not something that trump or she is stumbling into. the strategy of playing the victim. it's why i didn't agree with what at the white house correspondence dinner because we make ourselves potentially vulnerable to being chipped away at by those who want to hurt exactly what it is we do. but she played the victim but had a prepared statement. did you see what i saw? >> i saw the same thing. i certainly saw her reading the prepared statement. you know, this segment of history is playing out as tragedy and farce at the same time. it is stunning. i had thought months ago that
sarah huckabee sanders, you know, was the worst press secretary i had ever witnessed in my 40 years here in washington, and that her briefings were useless if she was just going to read, you know, sort of prepared nonresponses to perfectly reasonable and necessary questions and that's what she does routinely when she bothers to have a briefing. i think it's a, you know, on that level it's a waste of everybody's time. yesterday i guess it wasn't a waste of everybody's time. everybody put their cards on the table and we heard something that was just grotesque, i thought, the way that she sort of in a toady is the only word that comes to mind in her stance towards the president and she was so afraid to deviate from
this line, this enemy of the people line, even a little bit. and so she had to write it out and read it and wouldn't go beyond it because, you know, i mean she can get fired. but look, sarah huckabee sanders, mike huckabee's daughter, a god fearing woman, what does she say when she kneels down to pray at night. and what sort of, you know, is she bargaining? because how can she be proud of this? how can she -- >> i don't know. that's something she has to live with. we care about what's happening to the national conversation, and to the safety of our democracy, and donny and susan, this is a strategy that works with the base, i believe. i saw her perfection for the
base when i watched that briefing. >> yeah. look, without getting too, you know, high minded there are basically two pillars that protect our democracy. free elections and free press. and those are both obviously under assault. you know, what's scary is meacham mentioned a moment. trump is in a moment now. unfortunately the assault on the depression is not a momentary thing. even, thank goodness when trump is gone the combination of what he's left behind plus this little crater over here basically because we get information from so many places we forget what's the "new york times" or what's nbc versus what's some guy in his pajamas putting something out. those two kind of javelins coming at the press and the news will leave a lasting scab on what we as a people believe about the press.
if we don't -- if we didn't have watergate. but that to me, just on a personal level, when trump gets up and says the press is the enemy of the people, i think of all the things he's ever said is the most frightening because that's the direct, direct line to a fascist. that's it. >> also you have to look at what happens as you just mentioned as it trickles down. i've been involved in politics and government for almost 30 years. there's no trust left between reporters and politicians and their representatives. lying is now common practice. i've never in a million years i thought i saw people who lie to the press or even the principals, politicians themselves, i had clients say just lie. that's unacceptable. it goes to the concept of a free press. it sounds quaint but at the same
time it's so fundamental for everyone to be doing their jobs and to be held accountable in that way. so i think that's the biggest deteration, the thing that scares me the most the amount of lying that happens between those responsible for elected officials and conferring their communication. >> also at yesterday's press briefing, top national security and intelligence officials delivered a strong message about continued russian interference in the u.s. election process. >> this threat is not going away. as i have said consistently, russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continues to engaging maligned influence operations to this day. this is a threat we need to take extremely seriously, and to tackle and respond to with fierce determination and focus. >> the intelligence community continues to be concerned about the threats of upcoming u.s.
elections. both the mid-terms and the presidential elections of 2020. in regards to russian involvement in the mid-term elections we continue to see a pervasive messaging campaign by russia to try to weaken and divide the united states. these efforts are not exclusive to this election, future elections but certainly cover issues relevant to the government. our focus today is simply to tell the american people we acknowledge the threat. it is real. it is continuing. we're doing everything we can to have a legitimate election that the american people can have trust in, in addition to that it goes beyond the elections, it goes to russia's intent to undermine our democratic values, drive a wedge between our allies, do a number of other nefarious things. >> our democracy itself is in the cross-hairs.
free and fair elections are the corner stone of our democracy, and it has become clear that they are the target of our adversaries to sow discord and undermine our way of life. >> fast forward a few hours later and this is what the president said in the rally in pennsylvania. >> in helsinki i had a great meeting with putin. we discussed everything. i had a great meeting. [ cheers and applause ] we got along really well. by the way, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. that's a really good thing. now we're being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax, okay. i'll tell you what, russia is very unhappy that trump won, that i can tell you. but i got along great with putin. and everybody said wow that was
great, that was aggravate. couple of hours later i started hearing these reports that, you know, they wanted me to walk up to his podium, they wanted to go up and go like this. [ laughter ] they wanted me to go up and have a boxing match. i said whatever happened diplomacy? by the way, whatever happened to diplomacy? you know i used to study, not too much, diplomacy. i said whatever happened to getting everything what you want. >> set up a lot of awful straw man. nobody suggested you should fight putin. you were to perform the basic defense of democracy. but president said russia did not want trump to win. let's remind you at a news conference two and a half weeks ago. >> now we're being hindered by
the russia hoax. it's a hoax, okay. i'll tell you what, russia is very unhappy that trump won that i can tell you. >> president putin did you want to president trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that? >> translator: yes, i did. yes, i did. >> yes, i did. yes, i did. david ignatius, there's a lot to wade through in there. the president filing grievances about the way the press covered what he thought were a couple of great summits in singapore, in helsinki. but his general theory of foreign policy, this idea that it's better to get along, that the goal is to have a good personal relationship with these leaders is something we've not seen before. >> well, the president in this schtick as i can describe his presentation in pennsylvania last night, rambling, kind of
breaks off in different directions, is trying to set up this idea of, as donni search said, uncle donald will be friends with vladimir putin, make deals. all the country expected the president to do when he was standing next to vladimir putin in helsinki, with overwhelming evidence of russia's effort to manipulate our election was to stand there forthrightly with dignity and pride in america and say this is unacceptable. people didn't want him to get into a boxing match. they wanted him to speak for the country. he doesn't seem to get that. why is that? we'll find out in the coming months. but this sort of whining narrative of how nobody is fair to me and they don't value all the great things i've done,
coming after a dignified presentation by the senior member of his cabinet, i have to say my esteem for dan coats is somebody who is prepared to speak out and say what he thinks and for secretary kirstjen nielsen who says it absolutely right, our democracy is in the cross-hairs, looks in the camera and says the words. they've gone up in my estimation and we have to hope that they are the continuity of government that the country needs, not this show we get when the president is on the road. >> so just on that point, david, my gut on that is dan coats and christopher wray, they did not get oust by the president to go speak to the press my gut is we're going to go out to speak to the press don't stop us. at this point if you're in there you got to do what you can do to save this country. you won stay in there to stay silent when something needs to be said. that's just my gut on the
background. i don't think president trump is pulling the strings on those guys. >> it's interesting because we had reporting from a variety of sources from places like "the washington post" and nbc news other places where administration officials telling reporters president trump wanted those people to go out, he directed them to go out. i think the instinct especially the way just hours later came out and contradicted them effectively by saying russian hoax makes you think perhaps that david ignatius' view of them that they are acting -- that they are doing something that's not a partisan act, not trying to help donald trump, they are trying to speak truth to power here, that maybe more accurate. so, gene, i ask you, when you look at this, what does your gut say, what does your reporting say. are we looking at a bunch of, the front line here of the defense of the american democratic process and our election infrastructure or are we looking at kind of a janit
janitorial crew trying to clean up the president's helsinki press conference. >> the latter. this is based more on analysis than reporting. but i think they are trying to clean it up. these are the top intelligence and security officials of our country went out there yesterday and i think it was in part because each of them has thousands of talented dedicated patriotic professionals working for them who see what's going on. and so that's another constituency they have. and officials who would have to go through a senate confirmation process, while no one has job security in the trump administration, they might have a little bit more because i think the president knows if he were to, you know, sweep away all the people who were pointing
to russia, he would have some trouble from the senate. so, you know, i think it was more in their initiative than his certainly and what did the president do? he came out and said it's all a hoax. what they said is all a hoax. it was basically a generous invitation to vladimir putin to just keep on doing what you're doing. you're my buddy. you're my pal. we're going to make all sorts of deals, and if he doesn't care, if the commander-in-chief doesn't care what putin is at this moment trying to do, to disrupt the 2018 mid-term election that's only a few months away, if he doesn't care about that, the commander-in-chief doesn't care, then, you know, why should anybody else care? >> all right. joining us now, former u.s. diplomat, served as director of global engagement at the white house and is now president of
the consulting firm global situation room. good to have you on. so here's what we heard from top intel directors yesterday. here's dni director coats the intelligence community continues to be concerned about the threats of the upcoming u.s. election both the mid-terms and the presidential elections in 2020. fbi director wray, the threat is not going away. is the american president paving the way for the process to be completely flawed, and could this be part of a grand strategy? what are you hearing when you listen to these intelligence leaders speaking out so publicly at the podium yesterday? >> well, five agency heads do not a strategy make and i think the absence of presidential leadership on this issue is incredibly concerning. we don't have the resources, we don't have the direction that's needed to deal with this issue, and while i think efforts were made yesterday to try to plug
some of the holes in that dam, information warfare is like a flood. unless you have a real strategy to deal with it it simply is going to find another route in and that's unfortunately what we're facing now. >> i'm looking at these pictures of yesterday's briefing. david ignatius, there's no way that the president, in my opinion, wanted this to happen. i think this might be a set of american patriots stepping up and doing the right thing. but what they said, david, was staggering and frightening about our future elections. >> well, mika, you're right. they are describing an attack on the united states and so i want to ask brett if the united states was going to get serious enough to really deter that attack, what would it need to do that it's not doing now? >> first thing is, let me steal a word from russia. we need a czar. we need an information warfare czar, someone who is going to
take the work that's being done at each of those agenciesand make sure it will have an effect. they need resource. nothing yesterday talked about additional resources that would be able to be brought to bare for this issue. we know something is serious when resources are put behind it. >> brett, this is willie geist. the implication yesterday was things have gotten better in 2018 than they were in 2016 presidential election in terms of stopping some of that russian interference. how do they arrive at that conclusion? what is that the result of. more resources? more focus on the problem? >> my theory is things haven't gotten better they got more sophisticated in hiding them. i think what we're going to face in the congressional elections are microefforts. they will microtarget key
districts. they will go into key states. we won't see the national effort so it won't be quite as visible. still ahead on "morning joe," we're seeing more and more reports about alleged abuse of children who have been separated from their parents. congresswoman karen bass is calling on congress to do something about it. with the fastest retinol formula available. it's clinically proven to work on fine lines and wrinkles. one week? that definitely works! rapid wrinkle repair®. and for dark spots, rapid tone repair. neutrogena®. see what's possible. when did you see the sign? when i needed to jumpstart sales. build attendance for an event.
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and others to contact the deported parents of separated children. the administration also suggested that the group find out if the estimated 431 parents who were deported without their children wished to be reconnected, or whether they waived that option. attorneys for the aclu responded to the administration, saying it was trying to evade its responsibility bypassing its work off to private groups. meanwhile a 32-year-old employee at a shelter for migrant children in arizona is accused of sexual abusing a 14-year-old girl housed at the facility. according to court records the employee is accused of slipping into the girl's bedroom late at night and allegedly forcibly kissing and inappropriately touching her. the suspect was arrested and charged on tuesday with molestation of a child, sexual
abuse and aggravated assault. in a statement southwest key programs which operates dozens of shelters for migrant children across the country did not address questions about whether the girl involved was previously separated from her parents at the border. the company said the employee in question has been fired. damage done. >> quickly, what's happened to us? >> yeah. >> you know, on break we were talking just as humans, and it's easy to get lost. all the stories i want to rehash that we talk about today. those people at the rally, the 35%, are they so different from us? moment after moment after moment this man shows on a basic human level and this is the epitome of
this story are we so different. is everybody's moral code off base? just the lying and the detestable behavior on a simple human level. what are we missing that those other people -- it's not 5%, it's not 10%, arguably one out of three or two out of five people in this country go that's right. what are we missing? >> joining us now a member of the house foreign affairs committee, democratic congresswoman karen bass of california. here on set best selling author, very good to have you both. congresswoman, how do we ever get the answers about these children and also pointing to donnie's question. >> thank you for talking about the children. here's what i'm concerned about. i spend a lot of time on focusing on our nation's foster care system which is already
exploding. in some states it's doubled by numbers because of the opioid crisis. we don't have enough foster homes for children that need be there because they were abused or neglected. so the clock is tick on these children. if they are not reunited within a certain amount of time parental rights can be terminated and they can be put up for adoption. can you imagine years from now looking for their birth parents and the only reason they were put up for adoption is because of our policy. and some children are ineligible to be returned to parents. what on earth makes a person ineligible. our child welfare system if you have a conviction and by the way when i went to one of the detention facilities i asked what would make a parent ineligible. well the parent might have a conviction. give me an example of a conviction. we had a father who had a dui. can you imagine not getting your child back because you had a
dui? >> i'm curious, are you exploring legal options? at this point aren't we looking at defendings for what's happening here that perhaps we've never seen this before. isn't this abuse of children? isn't this kidnapping? isn't this now leading to more problems? and what are the legal rights of these children and their parents? >> well, not only that, we are taking them away and then may or may not reunite them but you know that we're charging the parents, so for example, if you get deported there are examples of parents who are told you have to pay $1500 because we're going to fly your kid home along with a chaperone. that's a lucky parent that knows where their child is. this is state sponsored child abuse. only reason you should ever separate a child from their parent is if there is documented abuse or neglect. not as punishment or as a deterrent. it's a complete misuse of the
child welfare system. >> i think there should be a legal avenue to defend these children if they are being abused unless anybody here at the table disagrees this appears to be a complete and utter abuse. >> absolutely. the administration's statement of the aclu that this is an aclu responsibility is cynical. we have a country that's violating its moral principles right now and we're projecting on our fear, on the most vulnerable population. people who are children, the most innocent and vulnerable population. we have fear. we should put it about the destruction of our institutional, the foundation of this institution on this country other than the most vulnerable people. so for me right now what we need to do in america is about individual actions, individuals regardless of who you are, what your beliefs are. if you have a heart we have to
stand up for these children and for their parent because this is about our hearts at the moment and our souls. >> congresswoman bass? >> you know, i think that we're going to have to keep up the pressure. i introduced a piece of legislation 37 days ago that said that it is the federal government's responsibility to reunite the parents and i think unless we completely expose this problem, they are just going to hope that it goes away. mika, i can't tell you what it was like to be in the detention center when the parents were reunited with their children. there wasn't a dry eye in the room. the idea that the secretary of homeland security would say some of these parents, maybe they will waive their right, maybe they don't want their children back. we treat animals better than this. >> in a few minutes we'll hear an organization protecting immigrant rights. congresswoman bass, thank you very much for being on. stay with us. we'll talk more about this.
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work. history is likely to repeat itself. you can suppress people for a certain amount of time but in the long run it comments back at you hard. >> what do leaders across the middle east think about the president of course i would sit down with rouhani. does that turn previous u.s. orthodoxy on its head? >> it's not like the monarchs of the persian gulf are confronting me. they take the president's statements with a grain ever salt. people's perspective on that statement is what you see. >> what do you think about the situation now in egypt. this alliance that's formed between egypt, israel, saudis and uae. >> we've never seen anything at this level before. it all began in 2013. you were there and i was there when the military took over and removed the democratically
elected president who was a muslim brotherhood. and what forged the current alliance we see across the region between israel, cc and persian monarchs. >> when we talk about iran, as david said a lot of the middle eastern countries they want america to have a war with iran. >> let's not forget that obama administration was talking to iran. so the fact that you have a president of the united states who says let's have overtures with iran is nothing new. to david's point you would see trump would be met with a lot of resistance if he tried to meet with rouhani. the aback gulf countries would not welcome that meeting. we saw that with mike pompeo who a few hours after trump said he would meet with rouhani came out and said to when would not
happen without conditions and here's the conditions we want to see. >> in the book you write about the coup that brought cc to power in egypt and as we read the book the extent to which the obama administration was not only aware of but helpful in that coup is astounding. >> i stopped before helpful. this is not iran 1953 when the cia deposed a government. this is a little bit different. what you see is a pattern of mixed messages where obama down to the last hours is trying to say to the president i want to help you stay in power let's pull this off. kerry the secretary of state has given up on him and letting everybody know that he thinks he's toast. and the defense minister is saying look whatever happens i want to be friends. we got your back. then you're probably wondering what is the intelligence agency doing. the day of the coup, he got a call from an arab diplomat who said what do you think?
he said i know this is inconsistent with stated u.s. policy. i think it's a good idea. >> not helpful in a material way but as you write in the book some familiar characters like general mattis and general michael flynn were supportive of the coup. >> much of the american government outside of the president's office greeted it with applause. >> to the extent that the military relationship is now with the united states and somewhat strained in the last couple of years especially during the transition period, helicopters were suspended, aid was subject to being suspended what is the u.s.-egyptian relationship today? >> solid as a rock. most people and some others with chagrin would say the egyptian military has paid no price whatsoever for removing the democratically elected president in 2015. >> what's your assessment on america's credibility prior to 2015. >> always discredited.
is it clear for the egyptian population or the middle eastern population right now? >> i wouldn't say it's clear. people remember things that the obama administration was saying for a period of 30 months about how the only way to lasting durable stability is an open responsive government that reflects the will of the people. the u.s. government is not saying that now. not long ago that was main talk point. >> a lot of people are talking about russia right now, russia's interference in american democracy. do people find america has done that to us in many parts of the world? >> somewhat, but as you know you've traveled around the region there's plenty of people who like to feel that. our own president seems in some ways to resemble their president these days. he brings his family to the white house. he scoffs at the court.
>> sort of endorsing their own authoritarian will. >> a shot in foot. >> david kirkpatrick, great interview. thank you very much. the book is "into the hands of the soldiers." it's on sale this tuesday. you can pre-order it, though. we'll be watching "morning joe" "first look" at 5:00 a.m. still ahead new reporting about what went down in the oval office the day before mueller was appointed special counsel. it could help explain the president's anger. we have the latest reporting ahead on "morning joe".
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the wall and they will insist on building it. [ cheers and applause ] i just figured that out right now. >> the president is speaking last night at a rally in pennsylvania. joining us now editor-in-chief of instyle magazine, laura brown. hello. i love instyle, the latest issue's cover story takes a look at five women. five amazing women trying to protect immigrant rights in texas and they are amazing women. what are they doing >> when this aberration started happening on the border we put a call out firstly on social media asking women who are working in immigrant advocacy to put their hand up and discuss what they were doing and we got a huge
response from that. of course as soon as the prominence writers started because there was a facebook fundraiser by a family who was so distressed by the image imag h honduran girl crying at the border. they ended up raising $50,000 to help women pay bail. but what i want to do is get to behind this organization because there is a lot of outrage, and justifiable, but for us it was like, who are these women and what do they do? these guys have been working for something like 35 years, and now there's more of a spotlight and now it's more challenging. so we went down to their office and shot this image which is beautiful with the women and the
train and people crossing the border. >> it's amazing. they're stepping up because they feel it in their heart, they feel it in their bones. >> yes. >> not to sort of harp on this, but note to ivanka trump. if you vehemently disagree with what is happening with these families, profile these women. put them on your instagram. celebrate them. support them. help them raise money. perhaps join them. really. if it's what you believe, that's what you could do. >> or honor them. >> yeah, ivanka has a lot of followers. >> this is the most beautiful thing about america, i have to say. i've worked all over the world, and to raise $20 million for these immigrants, this is so beautiful, and we have to remember the values. >> there is goodness there. >> to the distressing segment you had before about the abused girl, we need these women to get these girls out of these places. they shouldn't be in there, but these women, it's a constant fight. yes, they are in the spotlight
now, they don't care about that. they're doing the work. they're sitting there in court with kids who should not be there. with kids who are signing waivers with a four-year-old. how many kids are not with their parents? >> i don't really know. >> who are actually written down. they're in there every damn day. they don't get paid that great. >> everyone can act. everyone can join them, show your support, show your love. go to the borders. this is what is beautiful about america, is that people, individuals, can act and do something. donate, volunteer, anything. >> and use your platform to help. what is the divide of keeping
families away, no matter what color they are? >> to your point, laura, this group didn't sprout up as a reaction. they closed 51,000 cases last year before there was a focus on this zero tolerance policy. what are the obstacles they're finding right now? who is in their way? >> trying to find people to put together. trying to find these children who were shuttled all over the place and parents who were sent back home. it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. it is not even having this group, it's this. that's altogether harder. but what they do have is public support and funds to be able to do this and to be able to get these women out of detention. >> what you talked about, ivanka, i've always liked ivanka, and if i could give her some brand advice right now, more than anyone at this table, she is in a position to do
something. can you imagine what it would doob fdo for her brand, her political career -- i hate to be transactional, but what it would mean if she took the football. she doesn't have to diss her father. she could say, i'm going to spearhead this. if it's 491, i'm going to find them. >> here's why it won't happen. we've all found this in our lives. the most important things that we've done, i think about know your value, you do it because you care deeply about it. you have to care deeply. and i'm sorry, you're not seeing that from this president or the counsel to the president. >> it's stunning. i always thought of ivanka as a decent person. just do a transaction. >> she needs to be authentic. that's what this country wants. >> she is, trust me. >> we need hearts, we need authenticity, we need truth, we need people to show up. this is the time to show up, any
individual. >> it's a little late for authenticity on her part. she hasn't done anything for three months. >> wherever it's coming from, do the right thing. >> laura brand, thank you, and thank you for profiling these women. >> it is my privilege. >> and people can go to the website and find out -- >> how to support them, and we've got all kinds of women working on this. please join the aclu. if you haven't joined, do so now. >> that's why i gave you a plug. >> thank you for being on this morning. we'll go live to the new york stock exchange for reaction to the jobs report. it's due out soon. plus this. >> i had obamacare done except one guy at 2:00 in the morning went in and said -- he went thumbs down. even though he campaigned for years repeal and replace. >> more from trump's rally in pennsylvania last night where, as you saw there, he continued his mockery of a u.s. war hero
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and started screaming, they would say, he was terrible, it was so rude, he was horrible, his performance was horrible. whatever happened to fair press? whatever happened to honest reporting? i remember a nice man. i actually like him, he's very talented, with a big chart. i saw that chart getting red, red, little tiny dot of blue along the ocean. his hands start shaking. oh, my god, another state came, oh, my god. fake news. >> so bob casey doesn't mind ms-13 coming in. [ booing ] >> these are the slices they slice people up. >> they want me to walk up and go like this. >> some of the president at his
rally last night in pennsylvania, and there was much, much more of that. good morning, everyone. it's friday, august 3rd. welcome to "morning joe." we have a number of important developments to get through, including a stark warning from the intel community. russia is at it again. they've got the public's attention but what about the president's? does he care? what's going on? plus, dan coats speaks truth to power, again. the director of national intelligence admits he still does not know what the president told vladimir putin last month in helsinki. think about it, the director of national intelligence. and ivanka trump says that it was a low point for her when the separations of children from their family were happening under her father's administration through her father's policy. she says it was a low point. she was -- felt bad about it. the big question is, will she do anything about it besides
prepared comments? with us we have national affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc john heilman. donny deutsch is here. susan del persio is here. columnist for the "washington post," david ignatius and jon meacham, the author of "the soul of america." a battle we're in right now for sure. joel will be back on monday. what did you think of the president last night watching him? >> two things. i thought extraordinary two hours after his intelligence apparatus, he was laying out how russia continues to interfere in our elections and he went to that rally and called it a russian hoax. reportedly he sent those people out as director of national intelligence and the fbi director. i also thought it was another pathetic grievance session,
airing his grievances, talking about how unfairly he's treated by the press. i wondered what it would be like if he spent the time and energy he spends on that focusing on things like clean water in flint or visiting troops in a war zone, for example. it just strikes me as a monumental waste of time for a president of the united states to go on and on and on on one or two subjects that he can't get past. >> john heilman, your thoughts. watching this rally last night as it pertains to all the rallies we've seen, but what are you thinking at this point watching this man? >> i'm thinking it's getting old. the things that he's talking about are really -- i agree with everything willie said, there are things that are disturbing, especially the way he is able to knock down his intelligence chiefs who supposedly sent out. the reporting was, i want those five people to go out there and make the case for me.
then he goes out on the stage and basically undercuts them, but as a political story, right? it's not just red meat, it's red, raw meat for the 35% that we as the core trump base. he's in a state where he's got a senate candidate who is trailing, he's not in a super strong position. he's not going to win pennsylvania by appealing to that 35%. he's got to be talking about other things, but what is he not talking about? he's not talking about the economy, he's not talking about things that will matter to the pennsylvania voters who will determine that election. so great to rev up the base. he's very good at that. he's proven that over and over again, but this message and the grievance fest that it is does nothing to expand the voter pool that's going to be drawn on by lou barretta or republicans around the country. >> there's a reason i'm asking. david ignatius, we'll take you
next, specifically on the media and on russia. your take on the president last night? >> it's as if we have two governments. one government that states responsible policies drawn from what our intelligence agencies have discovered issuing warnings to state governments doing the business to government. then we have this other government, this other ring in our national circus in which the president conducts a daily anti-elitist rant. the principal targets are people in the media. i hate to say it, but we're the best thing he has going for him. he doesn't have any other issues other than arousing the public to make them think we're somehow elitist or enemies. he's making us the central theme of his campaign. we just have to see that right in the eyes. mika, there are two separate
rings to this circus now. >> it seems that there are some people who are beginning to understand that. he was going after generals last night. jon meacham, is there a figure in history that parallels what's happening with this president? >> i think it's joe mccarthy. this is as if mccarthy had become president, to go to john's point about getting old. roy mccomb, who was both joe mccarthy's and donald trump's. j he wrote a book about joe mccarthy, that a car was just a vehicle to take over american politics and particularly in the right wing. and secondly, people got tired of the show. they got tired of having, as fdr once said, the highest note in the scale repeated again and
again. >> susan dell persio and then donny. what is your gut? >> the first thing i thought of listening again to all his falsehoods was, wow, this is why all of the president's attorneys do not want him to go in front of robert mueller. he just gets all revved up and he simply cannot tell the truth. and yes, it's getting old, but thank goodness people are still speaking up and trying to speak out against it, but boy, is he in trouble if he goes in front of mueller. >> donny? >> the saddest and most frightening thing to me when trump goes to these rallies is not trump himself, it's the people. >> people are excited to meet mr. trump. >> excited is a nice word, but the rigor they accept his information -- "people" had an article about people who consider themselves strong trump supporters. 80% said they believe the
information they get from trump is accurate. 60% thought information they get from their family is accurate. if their friend or family member told them something, they're less likely to believe it than that goofball up there, crazy uncle donny. there is the government that exists and we now have this figure that we continue to have completely unaccountable to even his own staff. and there is no repercussion. so we will talk this day today and say dan coats and chris wray and john bolton came out and said, this was a fact, it is a fact, and then trump gets on stage and says it is not. so we have crazy uncle donny talking to his base that stunningly, regardless of his base, will continue to go, but the voters will speak in november. 33, 34%, yes, a lot of them vote in the primary, but there will be a wave the likes of which
we've never seen before. >> my take is this. it's blunt, fair to say, and i've been there before and i did it when it wasn't cool to do and i'm going to do it again. he's not well. that's the bottom line. there is no way anyone who knows donald trump but has not bought in in some way would watch him last night and not come away with the feeling that the president of the united states is completely unhinged and getting worse by the day. perhaps the stress is really squeezing in on him. it's interesting that a former reality tv star and colleague of trump is releasing a book with the title "unhinged." and this is a woman who knew him during his reality show days very well and then went with him to the white house. and in it she describes a reaction to a man that she had known for over a decade who is in a state of mental decline. it's a concern we voiced on this show during the campaign and over the last tumultuous 18
months. try and find someone who is not politically invested or too fearful of donald trump or the republican party who knew the man a decade ago who will tell you that his mental state has not deteriorated radically over the past two years or changed or come out in some way. it is transforming what we're watching. you will not find that person from donald trump's past if they're telling you the truth. we were told of his unfitness for office by those closest to him on the campaign, and we saw it ourselves up close in the december 15 interview in which he first pledged his frailty to vladimir putin. you can pull that interview up. it's a little embarrassing, but i will say you can see in our faces in realtime us kind of going from jovial to fun to sitting up and listen to him and realizing, this guy is not right. this is bad what's happening
here. we showed you this person throughout the campaign and we pointed out those issues. you listened to him talk about russia during the campaign on this show. we were told repeatedly that it was somehow out of balance to comment on the candidate's declining mental state. no, i'm not a doctor, but i know what we see and we know donald trump. we all know what campaign staffers told us two years ago, and i know that the dangerous blustering bigot on the stage last night is even more boorish and less connected to reality than tehe was ten years ago. donald trump is not well, and everyone close to him says it. they're all scared of what he's going to say or tweet yet. his republican dupes know it, and yet no one, seemingly, will do anything about it, not the people who can. same as it ever was, but much more precarious right now for the media, the press, far more dangerous for our democracy.
>> mika, i want to jump on that for a minute. that popped in my head last night also, and a few months ago i watched a harrowing interview i did with him in 2007. his cadence, his eyes, he was a different guy. i would ask everybody to go and look at some old interviews with donald trump. he's not just younger. his entire mannerisms, his entire way of speaking is different. so i'm glad we brought that up because we all kicked that around for a long time, and then it became -- >> the page turns, the worm turns. >> i'm so glad you brought that up because that is an ongoing -- i think at this point almost a given when you watch this man's behavior. still ahead on "morning joe," as we mentioned in just the space of a few hours yesterday, president trump boasted of his burgeoning relationship with vladimir putin as putin warned of his attacks
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away. as i have said consistently, russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continues to engage in maligned influence operations to this day. this is a threat we need to take extremely seriously and to tackle and respond to with fierce determination and focus. >> the intelligence community continues to be concerned about the threats of upcoming u.s. elections, both midterms and the presidential elections of 2020. in regards to russian involvement in the midterm elections, we continue to see a pervasive messaging campaign by russia to try to weaken and divide the united states. these efforts are not exclusive to this election or future elections but certainly cover issues relevant to the election. >> our focus here today is simply to tell the american people we acknowledge the
threat, it is real, it is continuing and we're doing everything we can to have a legitimate election that the american people can have trust in. in addition to that, it goes beyond the elections, it goes to russia's attempt to undermine our democratic values, drive a wedge between our allies and do other nefarious things. >> our democracy itself is in the crosshairs. free and fair elections are the cornerstone of our democracy, and it has become clear that they are the target of our adversaries who seek to sow discord and undermine our way of life. >> that was a pretty clear message there. fast-forward a couple hours later. this is what the president said at that rally in pennsylvania. >> in helsinki, i had a great meeting with putin. we discussed everything. we got along really well.
by the way, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. that's a really good thing. now, we're become hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax, okay? i'll tell you what, russia is very unhappy that trump won, that i can tell you. but i got along great with putin. and everybody said, wow, that was great, that was great. a couple hours later i started hearing these reports that, you know, they wanted me to walk up his podium -- they wanted me to walk up and go like this. they wanted me to go up and have a boxing match. i said, whatever happened to diplomacy? and by the way, whatever happened to diplomacy? i used to study, not too much,
diplomacy. i said, whatever happened to getting everything you want? >> there is a lot in there. obviously president putin at that press conference in helsinki said very clearly that he wanted then donald trump to become president. david ignatius, let's walk through this just a lgt bittle . what we heard yesterday from dan coats and others was not a new conclusion. that is what intelligence agencies came to in january 2007. they just are stating that it's continuing here in the 2018 elections. why would trump tell them to do that if he's going to undercut them a few hours later? >> what i've sensed since the helsinki summit is the senior officials of this administration are pushing back harder, are more willing to speak frankly in
public, to the president. i've noted that from dan coats who, in his famous interview with andrea mitchell, he was stunned by what he didn't know, but he just told the truth question after question. secretary mattis. i was at a dinner where secretary mattis spoke in public. he is going to the federal pentagon. he's more open about what he sees and hears going on. we got that from secretary of state pompeo. kirstjen nielsen said very emphatically, our democracy is in the crosshairs. so they're using strong language to describe to the public what they see. then you have the president. it's almost like -- lawyers talk about jury nullification. that's not as important as these
terrible outrages being done to me and minimizing it. it's not the first time a politician has gone the other way from his administration and tried to arouse the base, completely independent of what they do every day. i think we're going to get an answer in a couple months, because what the public makes of this weird two-stage circus, two-government thing we're watching, but it was good to see the senior officials of our government be so emphatic and clear in stating the truth as they understand it. coming up on "morning joe," brand new numbers in the economy. plus, if president trump ever sits down with bob mueller, it won't be the first time. bloomberg's shannon pettipice has an interview for a job.
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chief of warfare, anderson benjamin witti and reporter from bloomberg news, shannon pettypiece. shannon, we'll start with yours which looks at the potential origins of president trump's anger with robert mueller. you're right in part. president trump sat with robert mueller in may of last year to interview him for a job, director of the fbi. the next afternoon trump was in another oval office meeting when an aide interrupted with news that mueller had taken a different post, special counsel to investigate trump's campaign. trump and jeff sessions were blindsided. the president immediately blasted sessions for not knowing the announcement was coming and challenged how the person he had just interviewed for the fbi job and who trump said had a past dispute with him over golf club fees could now be investigating
him, the person said. sessions was so rattled by the president's anger in that interrupted oval office meeting that he resigned verbally that day and later submitted a formal letter of resignation. acco according to the person briefed on the meeting. shannon, where do we begin? the president blindsided and what about the club fees? >> the point i'm trying to point out here is these two people have a history, a history that maybe hasn't been obvious to robert mueller but very significant to donald trump. so the moment he found out about mueller's appointment, he was not just angry that a special counsel had been named but that it was mueller. and i talked to a number of white house advisers who were around at the time and they said they would hear repeatedly trump raising the issue about these golf club fees. the version of the story that was recounted to people was
trump said mueller wanted to get back some golf club fees when he left as a member of trump's northern virginia golf club, and trump said those fees were nonrefundable. in trump's account of this dispute, they got into some sort of heated exchange, is the way trump have been talking about it. robert mueller denied there was any dispute. we couldn't get him to comment on this again. the other part that trump can't seem to give up is that robert mueller interviewed about 24 hours before he was named special counsel. in the president's telling of this story, he turned mueller down for the job. other people contradict that. just to put a little bit of the president's mindset and what he is telling those around him, he feels like he's being investigated by someone who has a grudge against him or some personal ven did he tevendetta.
that is certainly in the president's mind. >> the president tweeted that bob mueller is, quote, totally inflicted. you had this scene where sessions was so rattled by the president's anger over what mueller, he believed, had done to him in a disloyal way that he resigned verbally and submitted his resignation letter. what changed that cap ter in histo -- chapter. >> jeff sessions was completely blindsided by this announcement as well as jeff sessions' chief of staff was also blindsided by this. they felt they should at least have been given heads up by rod rosenstein. they could be told, we're making a decision about the special counsel. they didn't need to have approval, they didn't need to sign off on anybody, they just
wanted the encouragement. he resigned right will in the oval ofls. i was told that my president's advisers told her you cannot lose cohen at this point, that it would be too damaging to the special counsel even if your attorney general resigned in some way at this point. >> it's john heilman here. i just want to ask you on about snft stuff that shannon is reporting. he said there was this contentious relationship with bob mueller over golf fees, he said he tried to become director, et cetera, et cetera. given bob mueller's history, and given donald trump's we've ever heard from an american
president, whose credibility are you going to -- why do we have any reason to believe trump's claims on this, given the subject in question? >> imagine the scene in bob mueller's office where they're sitting around trying to decide whether to clear the president -- get rid of all these witch hunty allegations they've got. they're all sitting around a conference table and bob mueller's cracked staff. mueller looks back at him with that glare, and he said, yeah, but the golf club fees. if that's as comical as it sounds, that's clearly what bob
mueller is not thinking about. and, you know, the other issue is a little bit more substantial, i think, where mueller was interviewed for the job that he had had for 12 years the day before he was appointed. but here's the thing, there are very few people you would talk to about taking over the fbi in that crisis situation. and bob mueller is one of them, and he was there, presumably, at the president's request, not as a result of having, right? so then, you know, rod and says, hey, i need you to do this in a crisis situation, take over this investigation. . i don't really see what the issue is other than it looms very large in the mind of the
president. >> the department of justice seeming to confirm to you that president trump made up department data during his national televised first address to a joint session of congress. so here's what the president claimed in that speech back in february. >> according to data provided by the department of justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted of terrorists and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country. >> you have people behind him nodding. but ben, you were not nodding. tell us your reaction upon hearing trump make that claim, and what did you do about it? >> when i read that claim, i knew immediately that it was false. there is a lot of terrorist and terrorism-related crimes in the united states perpetrated by americans. you know, things like charlottesville, right? and the only way you can make a
statement like that is if you ignore all the domestic terrorism that we have. you know, tim mcvey and that sort of stuff. i was stkeptical about it from the moment i read the speech, and i asked a couple of my law students to study it, and they produced an analysis that really gave me confidence that the president was wrong. i submitted a foyer request to the justice department for any data that would support that. and to boil it down, we had a long litigation. it took a year, but the other day the justice department wrote me a letter that said that there were no records describing the universe of terrorism cases that the president referred to in that speech. and so it's very rare that you get a letter from the justice department that basically says
the president of the united states made up justice department data about terrorism in a speech to a joint session of congress, but that's really what happened. >> you know, maybe the first time it's ever happened in the history of the country. >> that was not wilkes-barre, by the way, that was a joint session of congress, that speech. >> that's right, it was a prepared speech. the president lies all the time, as john said before, but this was a remarkable thing because this is, you know, the president standing in the well of representatives making a formal address and it came right at the time of the -- you know, the travel ban, the initial travel ban, and, you know, it was a particularly offensive thing to do because it was sort of part of his, you know, campaign of of vilification of immigrants
and this suggestion that a vast majority of terrorism is a function of immigration is just nonsense, and the attribution of that to justice department data struck me as a particular abuse of federal government statistics. >> well, we're at a point, i really think we're well past the point where politicians and members of the president's team and cabinet, they have to choose what side of history they want to be on. >> and they have to start being competent. that's a competence issue. they have policies that they have no idea what they're doing. >> or that they believe in or that they do. shannon pettypiece, we'll be reading your new reporting at bloomberg news. we'll go live to the new york stock exchange for reaction next on "morning joe." ♪
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breaking economic release of the monthly jobs report. how many jobs were had last month. >> 157,000, which isn't too bad, but they were hoping for 190,000, so this is a slower pace than we have seen. the unemployment rate did tick down, that's good, to 3.9% from 4%, right around that 18-year low of 3.8% we hit back may. so 3.9% wages, which are very important, rising 2.7% from last year. that's what economists were looking for. it's not the 3% robust number we want to see. with this level of employment rate, you would expect to see bigger wage gains for employees. we want to get near that 3%
level. haven't been able to do that. just in terms of the overall picture, because month to month it can be a little messy and volatile. jobs have been created each month. that's better than the pace of 2018 and it's impressive for this stage of economic recovery. we're entering our tenth year and firms are still hiring jobs, especially looking health this month, and manufacturing and construction. importantly for the markets, it doesn't do anything to alter the policy of the federal reserve, and importantly for the economy, it doesn't really do anything to alter the somewhat healthy pace of job creation and economic growth we've seen lately. >> susan dell persio, your gut on the impact the economy has on the midterms as we look at this report leading up to the midterms. >> it certainly helps republicans in the swing district if they can point to the economy. the trick is they have to point to the economy without pointing
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where is there. well, "there" can be anywhere that you wouldn't usually go, maybe because it's, like, weird or scary or something like that. >> >> i think you're so cool. >> i'm going to stop eating with you -- >> can i say one thing please? >> fine. >> thank you. look, when i was your age, i was not cool like you. you have all these interests and your videos and just how you express yourself in them is so -- it's just so cool. it's so great. and i just think maybe you need to put yourself out there a little bit more. >> please stop. >> oh, my gosh, this is so good. a look there at the new movie "eighth grade" about a teenage girl about to enter high school, navigating today's all-consuming social media age. did you see the phone at the table and she was like, you know, looking at it.
joining us now, the film's writer and director beau burnen. there's so many things. this is like an exploration of human anxiety in the technology age. >> i wanted to write a movie about how i was feeling at the time which is anxious. the more i realized i think i was feel like a 13-year-old girl for a reason. i feel like maybe culturally we're going through a bit of an eighth grade moment. feels like, yeah, the culture's sort of -- >> eighth grade is the worst. >> it feels like right now is a very crazy time to be alive and eighth grade was the craziest time in my life. the idea of being in eighth grade now feels impossible. >> we have a president who acts like he's in eighth grade now. >> eighth grade reading level. >> this is a connection, him and his phone and his twitter. >> this is about this -- kids, if you're -- i have a 14-year-old, 11-year-old daughter, this is the dominant thing in their lives. >> can you imagine? >> it's the dominant thing in
your life, what are you talking about. >> it's the difference between news -- it's pure social media. it's a daily scorecard every second about how they're doing against every other kid. the constant reminder of what they're not doing. and their self-worth is so tied up in this. and as a parent, if you talk to any parent of teenage kids, it's like the number one thing you're navigating. you're in the -- >> i feel like we're all act like 13-year-olds on the internet so i wanted to tell a story about the internet -- one group of people that was acting their own age maybe. the internet means something to me. i grew up with it, i mean, a little bit. it sort of became ubiquitous, social media, when i was 17, 18. i felt it wasn't being talked enough honestly. there's not enough depiction of -- >> that's you right there, right? >> that's me with awful hair. >> okay, so you're doing -- you're kind of downplaying the thing you just said. i was a little familiar.
you were one of the first -- personally one of the first viral youtube sensations when you were like 16, right? >> 16, 17, yeah. >> this isbiographical in a way? >> yes. the girl in the movie, she makes videos but no one sees them. yes, the way kids express themselves online, to me, people see them as narcissistic and a lie. it isn't just that. it isn't just fake. trying to speak yourself in existence. trying to live out loud in the air in front of you before you can put it into action i think is beautiful and isn't talked about. >> they all go "hey guys," they all start -- >> hey, guys, hello. >> it's how we start the show many mornings. >> here's more from the movie. this is kayla and her dad. >> can you not look like that please? >> what? like what? >> just, like, the way you're looking. >> looking at the road? >> you can look at the road, dad.
i obviously didn't mean that. just like don't be weird and quiet while you do it. >> sorry. hey, how was the -- >> no, you're being quiet, which is fine, just don't be weird and quiet. because i look over at you and i think you're about to drive us into a tree or something and then i freak out and i can't text my friends. be quiet and drive. don't look weird and sad. please. >> okay. that's worse. >> oh, my god. >> you nailed it. >> talk a little bit about these performances. the father, josh hamilton and the daughter are like giving incredible performances. how do you get these performances? >> the dad josh hamilton and kayla, elsie fisher, for me, it's giving the actors permission to be inarticulate. sometimes young kids in movies are forced to be able to speak
with an ability that is suspiciously similar to a screenwriter's ability to speak. like young poet laureates. the experience of being a young kid is struggling to say -- so the script is written like, yeah, um, the thing about being yourself, like, wait. >> and then add in your own. which makes it better. >> just about giving them permission to speak. >> i have two daughters and i have to tell you that impossible feeling on the part of the parent. you feel that with the father. you don't even see him in the shot. you're just like oh. >> i've never seen adolescence nailed like that or a father/daughter dynamic. that was me. what do you want me to do? i'll do anything. >> and they're so mean. especially girls i will say. but in eighth grade life, girls and boys can be incredibly mean to each other on this. is there any interaction with others? >> for me, the bullying has become much more subterranean.
even if it is that, it's much more just withholding attention. i think attention is sort of the currency kids measure themselves against. so it's much less -- i think kids would love to get swirlies and be shoved in lockers again. it's a much weirder stranger space to navigate. >> impossible and also unpredictable space. like, your day can go from, you know, from wonderful to the worst day of your life with the touch of a button. >> and you just don't get away from it. you wake up with your social life and you go to bed with it. at the end of the day, you have a choice between the back of your eyelids and all of the information and history of the world. that's a -- >> how do you share -- let's help some kids at home or some parents. you both are somebody who is kind of on one side of it, now you're write, documenting, analyzing it. as a parent, give me some rules or guideline, how do i manage my children with this? >> part of it for me, i don't want to speak with too much authority because i feel as in it as anybody. i think part of it is also paying attention. i hope the movie takes inventory
of this. it's not just looking at kid, why are you on your phone all the time, but what is the world we've made for them to look up at and why they may want to ignore it. also, to just, you know, listen to them and communicate. i think part of being an adolescent, an adolescent/parent relationship is about the parent being a punching bag. like, they're working out some of those feelings. that might be -- it's not meant to go perfectly. but i hope the movie -- because i've seen -- i think movie helps the kids sympathize with the parents and vice versa. >> it's got great reviews. we've got to plug this a little bit. "new york times," great reviews. >> surprise hit "eighth grade" now playing in theaters nationwide. beau, congratulations. >> thank you. >> that does it for us this morning. before we send it over to stephanie ruhle a little early i might add -- >> you going to punch me? >> stef. no, i'm not going to punch you because you want me to. we want to play for everyone this. remember from seth meyers that
stef is no one to mess with. take a look. >> wealthy ceos keep going on cable news to lie about the impact of the gop tax cuts. like this guy who went on msnbc this morning to repeat trump's lie that the economy hasn't surpassed 4% growth in years. only to be fact checked immediately by host stephanie ruhle. >> since the financial crisis until just recently, we were growing at 2%. >> correct. >> compare that to 30 years of growing at 3%. that's one-third less gdp each year for ten years. that is less prosperity. are we turning around? 4% gdp? when is the last time you heard 4% gdp growth? >> five times during the obama administration. >> okay. >> that right there is the face of someone who was waiting. >> that wasn't the side eye, that was the full-on kill.
stephanie ruhle, i hand it to you. this is why you need to have your facts. i want to know how it ended with that guest. was everything okay? >> everything was okay. actually, he could have double fact checked me because the answer is four, not five. but alas he didn't. and we kind of got to middle because you know this world as well as i do, mika. the frustration. these businesspeople know better. they know there are some deregulation that has been very good for our economy. there are actually some trump wins. yet trump steps on his own narrative with constant lies. if you are the ceo of a company, you could not lie about numbers. i have watched your show for the last three hours. it's amazing that i'm here on time. i've been like a crazy old lady screaming, right on, mika, you've got it right, all morning. the president lies time and again. when you watch people that run major corporations allow it and kind of giggle through it, it's really distressing. they couldn't do it in their business. they'd be fired.
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what happened with this meeting beyond just the meeting. was there any sort of further contact, any sort of further conspiracy to disseminate any of this information. because that's obviously what happened after this meeting. and also goes to this idea -- you've had president trump basically saying, oh, the russians didn't help. the russians really wanted hillary clinton to win, they're upset that i won. he said at his rally just recently. but here he is, admitting that there was this meeting with the russians, where the russians were trying to help his campaign. >> and norm, you've worked for the administration, you worked for president obama. the fact that a lawyer for the president of the united states says that he got bad information when it comes to jay sekulow, who would he have gotten that bad information from that he was so comfortable then going on tv and repeating? >> well, kate, the bad information we now know originally stemmed from president trump when he dictated
that false coverup statement. that kind of a statement, if it's found to be an intentional, can be part of a larger obstruction or conspiracy case, the statement dictated on the plane. and the fish rots from the head. clearly, it had to have some involvement by president trump. and that's the key problem here. if we can't believe president trump that this was a meeting about russian adoptions, then why do we believe him now when he says he didn't know about it, as he declared in his tweet? there's been so many lies from this president. thousands, according to the "washington post." and they're accelerating. that's the reason that he probably -- his lawyers do not want him to talk to bob mueller, because as soon as he opens his mouth about this or anything else, he's either going to commit perjury, or he's going to
confess to object trucstruction conspiracy. so we're seeing it spinning out of control. >> well, quite simply, no one knows. and that's why i keep saying my hair hurts on this. if it was nothing, if they got nothing, if there's nothing wrong, then why, oh, why has it taken -- if there's still no clear answer of who knew what, when and why? donald trump disputes this, but the cnn reporting that he is really worried, as you're talking about, the legal exposure to his son, don, junior, about this, where is the legal exposure he should be worried about? >> for don, junior, he's the only one that's testified under oath. the more that comes up with his inconsistencies, the problem. did he tell his dad, did his dad know about it? did he realize his meeting with russian officials, which seems blatantly obvious from the first e-mail that says it's a crown prosecutor in russia. so he's got the most exposure on that. for the president, i mean, it would be a novel prosecution theory to go with obstruction,
just based on tweets. but i think as norm pointed out, the president is just making more trouble for himself with the tweets. and the tweets can set the foundation for him being questioned and making false statements under oath or during interview testimony. even if they can'ts we prosecut him, the tweets create a dangerous atmosphere for him. >> norm, go back to the basics. president trump says that what was done in the -- taking the meeting to get dirt was totally legal and done all of the time in politics. is that the case? >> kate, i was a lawyer for the obama campaign, the obama transition and the obama white house. and i can tell you, we didn't have a single contact with a hostile foreign adversary to offer dirt on john mccain. if we had, we wouldn't have replied as don, junior did. if it is what you say, i love it. our reply would have been, call the fbi. and this is not normal.
i've written about the potential crimes that come in under the heading of collusion, including conspiracy, an agreement to attack the united states. there were more than 80 contacts, according to my count, between the trump campaign and russia. and if those contacts -- we know bob mueller, i've worked with him and against him for a quarter of a century. we know that if bob mueller believes that there was a trump campaign participation in a conspiracy to attack the united states election, he's already charged dozens of russian individuals and companies with that. if he believes the trump campaign participated at the trump tower meeting or in any of these 80-plus contacts, he's going to charge somebody. and i agree with shan. don, junior is among the most likely targets. and we have a clue. mueller hasn't yet talked to
him. he's saving him for last. that's a sign that he may be charged. >> if there's one constant in the inconsistencies in all of it, the one thing is that the president says that he didn't know anything about the meeting. didn't know anything about the meeting in advance. that's the one constant there is, which i find fascinating. and we'll continue to follow it. i guess is all we can say. shan, nia, thanks so much. norm, great to see you, thank you. i appreciate you guys coming in. >> thanks, kate. the white house will be putting sanctions back on iran, but also says it is still willing to talk without any preconditions. what is going on here? and what does this mean in the very immediate future? we have details on that ahead. plus, the saddest living conditions and poverty i have seen. that is how a sheriff is describing the 11 children found starving in the middle of the new mexico desert. we're going get an update on how those children are doing now today and how they ended up in these horrific conditions.
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>> so at this moment, what will sanctions being slapped back on iran, what do they do now? >> well, there's no question that it will increase the economic pain on iran. you've had the iranian currency already fall in roughly by half this year. and there is unrest in iran, and i'm sure this will contribute to that. the most important part will happen in 90 days when they're going to slap oil sanctions on iran. but, you know, it's not clear to me that the trump administration has any plan. and let me make that actually stronger. i don't think the trump administration has any plan for how to translate these sanctions into actual -- into an actual agreement that would end the iranian nuclear program to a great greater extent than it was already ended under which iran had given up 97% of its material. unilateral sanctions, tough tweets and a lot of hope i don't think will be successful. >> you actually raised something interesting there. the ball is in whose court then?
sanctions go back on. iran needs to come to the trump administration to say, let's talk? or trump needs to go to iran and is already saying, we would be open to talking. it's unclear to me. >> trump seems to be pursuing the same kind of strategy he pursued with north korea. issuing blood curdling tweets, which he did a couple weeks ago and then a week later saying, oh, i'm ready to talk without preconditions. and he thinks that strategy was successful with north korea. earth to trump. it has not succeeded. north korea is not giving up their nuclear offense, and there's no sign it's going to succeed with iran because the sanctions that we're going to impose i don't think are going to put sufficient pressure on iran to make bigger concessions than they already made with the obama administration. because every indication is that the russians and chinese are coming in to take over the kind of work that european and u.s. companies are doing in iran. china will probably continue buying iranian oil. so i don't think this policy is going to work. in fact, there's very few -- i
mean, they seem to have hope of regime change, but there's very few examples in history of sanctions actually forcing regime change. south korea might be the only one. countries like north korea, venezuela and cuba have endured decades of u.s. sanctions without changing regimes or changing their behavior. so, you know, i don't see a well thought out trump administration policy in place here. >> i just wonder what the status of the relationship really is. because over the weekend, the president raised again the idea of meeting with the iranian president, much like as you're talking about, the meeting he had with kim jong-un. but how would you describe the status of this relationship, non relationship with iran right now. >> i would take trump up on his offer to meet, because given trump's track record, he is easily duped in these kinds of negotiations. he is prone to go into a negotiation like with north korea or the european union, you know, breathing fire and brim stone. and then it's all sweetness and
light and he's back-slapping everybody, praising interlocutors. he could easily praise president rouhani as being intelligent, warm, witty, et cetera, after a meeting and, you know, concluding a deal which is probably going to be half as onerous as the one he tore up. i think they're shortsighted not to take advantage of trump in that respect. but, you know, assuming they're not going to meet, i think you're going to see, you know, further tensions ratcheting up. >> let me ask you, then, about north korea. because cnn is reporting that north korea actually believes there is a strong possibility of a second summit between president trump and kim jong-un later this year. but if you look at the latest facts since their last summit, you've got the secretary of state saying that north korea is continuing to make fizzle material. images indicating that north korea is making new missiles. but north korea did return what the trump administration believes are the remains of more than 50 service in ebmembers fre
korean war which is what they discussed in the summit. what's the point of a second meeting now? >> that's a great question, kate. everything i'm seeing suggests that north korea is taking donald trump to the cleaners. his credulity is staggering. north korea is not taking significant steps to denuclearize as they supposedly promised at the singapore summit. they're doing the absolute minimum, turning over these 55 remains, which may or may not be u.s. service members remains. they could be dog bones, for all we know. and continuing their development of icbms. they're continuing their development of nuclear fuel, as mike pompeo acknowledged. so there is no sign they're actually denuclearizing and the notion of rewarding with a second summit? i mean, that is ludicrous. the first one is bad enough, but a second one after they haven't done anything significant is absurd. clearly what the north koreans are angling for is major exceptions on the part of the u.s. for example, a peace treaty
which could pave the way for the pullout from south korea after trump already agreed to suspend u.s. military exercises. they are looking for major concessions on the u.s. part and not doing anything significant on their part. but, you know, trump is kind of going along with this travesty, because he wants to run around and beat his chest and claim he's the world's best deal-maker and got a great deal from north korea. >> let's see, max. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thanks, kate. coming up for us, a district that president trump won by double digits in 2016. why is tomorrow's special election in ohio coming down to the wire then? the latest from the ground and what it all means for the all-important midterm elections. . saving you time for what you love most. >> kids: whoa! >> kids vo: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪ agent beekman was one step ahead of them.dits stole the lockbox from the wells fargo stagecoach,
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dispatch," jessica we areman. thanks for being here. jessica, let's talk about the feeling on the ground right now. what is the feeling there? what is the impact of the president's visit saturday? >> i mean, there are folks who are very motivated. th this is a very interesting district. the rural areas are supportive of trump. closer into columbus. the feelings are a little more skeptical, and that's a place where governor kasich pulls better. so it's kind of a divided republican populus. and it really sort of depends hopefully for republicans. republicans are hoping, at least, they'll be able to motivate the base, those folks from the rural areas who are very, very solid for president trump out. and that was sort of the point of the rally. >> david, you look at the poll again. they're essentially tied. where balderson, the republican, had a ten-point lead in june. is this looking to be, you know, elections are all local type of a race? or in the end, is this a referendum on the president and the current kind of political climate, do you think?
>> the current political climate is about president trump. there's no denying that. obviously, you see that is not the subject of all what the candidates are talking about or the ads. there's a lot more talk about social security and medicare than there is necessarily about president trump or nancy pelosi on the airwaves, kate. but we can't deny the national political environment. since january 2017 when president trump took office, the story of politics in the trump era at the ballot box has been this democratic enthusiasm. even in these red districts when they have come up short, democrats are outperforming what the candidate had done there previously, what hillary clinton did there in those districts. you saw in the conor lamb race in pennsylvania, it actually emerged in a democratic victory, flipping that seat that donald trump won by 20 points. here we've got a seat that donald trump won by 11, as you said, a republican has been holding it for 35 years or so. it shouldn't even be close, but it is close, because of the national political environment. >> and it is, as you have already pointed out, jessica, a
fascinating -- i don't know, tension, if you will. because balderson gets the endorsement of both ohio governor and chief trump critic, john kasich. and also the endorsement and big backing by the president himself. though kasich yesterday says that balderson told him that he actually didn't ask the president to come for the visit. what's going on there? >> that made things a little bit awkward. i mean, you know, originally republicans were saying, oh, my goodness, this is the one thing where president trump and governor kasich actually agree on something. by god, we've managed to unit these sort of divided parts of the party. the comments yesterday on cnn made some republicans in ohio kind of, you know, go, ooh. i'm not really, you know -- it made it a little more awkward, where things looked much more unified originally. we'll see. i don't know if it will have an impact on who votes tomorrow. i think probably voters are more interested in the issues that really sort of affect them. how is their pocketbook, how do they feel about their jobs? >> yeah. >> but, i mean, it's kind of --
it was i guess our october surprise. >> it was just another awkward in this awkward political climate, david. david, a win for the democrat, danny o'connor, means what? >> it means a huge shot in the arm in advance of this home stretch fall campaign season at the november midterm elections, kate. this is, you know, the last special election of the cycle. both parties are looking very closely for signals about what it means for november. and if democrats can win this kind of republican district, first and foremost, their magic number goes from 23 to 22. they need 22 then net gain seats to take over the house of representatives. but it also means that they may have chances, because of the enthusiasm on their side in some of these very republican districts. >> and just a note, everybody. when they finish this tomorrow, they continue campaigning, because this seat is back up in november. so -- >> yeah, they're back at it in november. and not only that, there's a guy named o'connor, a libertarian who will be on the ballot in
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shocking and horrible scene. the children's ages range from 1 to 15. they had no food, no running water. wore dirty rags for clothing cnn's kaylee hartung is reporting on this. there were so many unanswered questions about all of this. what more are you learning? >> reporter: yeah, the sheriff saying these are the saddest living conditions in poverty he's ever seen. authorities are determining what these 11 children endured in these conditions, but the information they have to this
point has led them to charge all five adults with 11 counts of child abuse each. the two men, they're facing criminal charges, as well. one of those men is believed to be the father of that child, the missing 3-year-old, who is still missing. that child not among the 11 children found here. though that's what authorities expected to find. you mentioned the three women believed to be the mothers of those 11 children. all of these adults in custody. though it doesn't sound like they're answering many of the authorities' questions. none are forthcoming with information as to the missing 3-year-old, his current whereabouts. today that child's 4th birthday. the sheriff does have reason to believe that child was there in recent weeks. kate, those two men were found heavily armed when authorities raided the compound. we're talking about ar-15s, loaded pistols, 30-round magazines. you said it. so many more questions than answers, as we learn more and
see these truly shocking pictures. >> today is the child's birthday? >> reporter: it is. >> that's -- tears you up. thanks so much, caylee. that child still missing. what happens with the children they have in custody? what happens with these children now? joining me now is cabinet secretary for new mexico's children, youth and families department, monique jacobson. thank you so much for being here. >> it's my pleasure. >> so the sheriff says he's been working his job for 30 years, and he's never seen anything like this. what can you tell us about these children and how they're doing? >> i can tell you that we have a full team of people right now that are really focused on making sure that we are looking out for the safety and well-being of these children. we have people that are doing different types of assessments and working with the children. our first goal, of course, is just to minimize any sort of additional trauma that any of these children would be experiencing. make sure we're getting their basic needs met and surrounding
them with caring people. >> the sheriff said that the 11 children looked like they were third-world country refugees. not only with no water, no food, but with no shoes or personal hygiene. what is -- with all of that in mind, what's the first priority, if these are the conditions that they were found in or living in? >> you know, the first thing we always want to do is make sure we're getting their most basic needs met. so getting them fed, of course hydration is really important and essential. and then making sure we can get them cleaned up and comfortable clothing. like, we really want to make these kids as comfortable as possible before we have to ask them any questions or try to learn more about what was occurring in their environment. >> and i know it's a difficult position of what you can discuss and can't, because we were talking about minors, of course, who have been through unbelievable horror already.
do you have any idea how long they've been in these living conditions? >> yeah, i can't really speak to any of the specifics, as it's part of both an ongoing investigation for us, as well as for law enforcement. but, of course, those are all the things that we're looking into. while also making sure just that their immediate neets ads are b met and we're making them as comfortable as possible. >> and are they talking? >> i'm sorry, are they what? >> are they talking? like, is that part of where you are in the process of -- i mean, like, talking to you about what they've been dealing with? >> so one thing that typically in a situation like this, of course, we work to get their basic needs met, and then we do usually do what are called forensic interviews. so we have experts who will interview the children to, again, try to get as much information as possible. in terms of what they know, what they have experienced, what was going on, where in the
environment they have been removed from. so that's definitely a part of the process. i will tell you, just from other similar situations that we've had, it can take children some time before they feel comfortable in terms of talking and really letting us know things that were occurring. so it's important that we not do anything to rush that. but that we really kind of respect where they are and what they're comfortable with disclosing at this time. >> absolutely. and unfortunately, you see a lot of horrible cases, of horrible things that happen to children. how do you make sense of something like this? >> there is -- you know, any time a child's basic needs are not being met, it's heart breaking. it's horrific. and i think -- i don't think there is truly a way to make sense of it. what i can tell you is that we really focus on doing all we can again to minimize that trauma and to get them in a place, in a position where they can recover from what's happened to them.
you know, some people tell me, you can never truly recover from it. but i will tell you, i have met some amazing, remarkable young people who went through horrific things in their past. and they're incredible. and just to get to see the lives they've gone on to live, i think it gives us hope. it gives us a belief that as long as we do the community or staff -- everyone that kind of -- they end up interacting with. as long as we come together to support them, i have gotten to see, i guess, the -- there can be incredible futures for children that have experienced really horrific pasts. >> it is amazing how resilient young children are, but a long road ahead for them, no matter what. monique jacobson, thank you so much for speaking to us about where they are in the process going forward. we'll stay close to this. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. > >> and, again, a 3-year-old, now 4-year-old today on his birthday is still missing.
and that is what sparked all of this, this search for a now 4-year-old missing little boy. we'll continue to follow this. still to come for us, another important story about children that we will continue to follow, as well. hundreds of immigrant children still separated from their parents. who is taking the lead to reunite niece families? the federal government says don't look at us. so now what? we'll be right back. when i received the diagnoses,
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saga of the president's zero tolerance policy at the border, which forced thousands of kids to be taken from their parents. at least 400 of them are still in u.s. custody while their parents have been deported. this week eight children are expected to leave new york and make the long journey home to central america. they're among some of the first to be reunited with their deported parents. but here's the key. these reunions are not happening because the federal government is getting its act together. they're happening because charities are stepping in to fill the void. here with me is the director of immigrant and refugee services for catholic charities. mario, thank you for being here. really appreciate it. so the lead attorney for the aclu has been on the show a few times. he told me last week that the federal government says essentially this should be up to -- it shouldn't be up to them. it should be up to the aclu and other ngos and organizations to reunite these families. how have you stepped in to fill the void to try to reunite the
families? >> sure, kate. thank you. and thank you for having me on your show. from the beginning, the government has shown absolute neglect, indifference, and frankly to an extent a sense of abuse of children and families in the sense that it's absolutely walked away from any sense of responsibility. both at the moment of separation and now at the moment of reunification, which is just a moment of trying to heal a deep wound and a deep scar that has been created among families. our work -- and we have gone to the government, asked them, petitioned them to do something, to move things forward, to do it more quickly, to do it in a more timely way. as you've reported, they've essentially said, no, that's really not our job. there's a process for this. we're going to get to this in time. talking about the 400 or more families that have been separated with a parent who basically accepted return to their home country, thinking -- this is almost six weeks ago -- thinking this would reunify them
with their children more quickly. >> that's actually a point of contention with the government. the government attorneys say parents knew they chose to be deported, chose to be deported without their child. >> look, knowing and fully understanding what they're signing are two completely different things. the parents were under the impression and believed and understood that this would facilitate and expedite reunification. in fact, it had the absolute opposite effect. it has slowed down that reunification. >> now you have eight children heading home. what are these parents telling you? what are the children telling you? >> sure, the parents have been -- it's you know, it's been hard connecting with them. we've had to work with our private resources and with friends at the embassies and consulate offices to engage ways of finding where the parents are. you know, they might be from small villages up in the mountains or in the large city. it really varies. but the government has taken no initiative and no responsibility essentially for what would be a safe or sustainable repatriation
of these children. basically, they say our job is to deliver them across the border. and that's it. so working with partners, we have sought to do what we can to engage those sources on the ground. but again, this is just a small piece of the problem. there are many many kids who still have to appear in court, who still have to make a request for voluntary departure. >> how many more children are you working with? >> it's a significant number. the work we do really is engage with the shelters and to an extent, you know, the numbers are changing. >> so you don't even -- is it not a firm number? >> we don't have a full accounting from the government of kids who are still, you know, in that custody and for whom we need to work this through. so this is a shifting, continually shifting problem because we don't have absolute direct access to all of the children who are in custody. we only receive notice and information depending on what the government is willing to share. some of these kids are very young. under a year old or 1 or 2 years old.
they don't necessarily -- they're not necessarily brought to us -- >> are you hopeful you'll be able to, no matter what the number ends up being, be able to reunite all the children? >> absolutely. we're going to do two things. one, we're hopeful. we'll keep pressing. our lawyers will keep presenting to the courts and to the government. >> you still think you can get more information from the government. >> we do. we're hopeful. this is something we don't give up on. >> do you think they're holding information from you? >> i don't think so. i think it's a process that's been mismanaged. it's been characterized by indifference. this is simply not a priority for the government. as has been the reunification of families in the united states. so beginning this week, catholic charities will develop a program to receive those families and give them transitional support as they relocate internally in new york city or other cities in the united states. >> this is one step in a very long process, but today eight children going to be heading home to their families from new york. thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. >> we'll continue to follow it. next, coming up, president trump says outright that his son's meeting with russians at
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massive demographic changes have been hoisted upon the american people. and they're changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like. from virginia to california, we see stark examples of how radically in some ways the country has changed. now, much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that, of course, progressives love. and since this is the last speech that i will give as president, i think it's fitting to leave one final thought. an observation about a country which i love. it was stated best in a letter i received not long ago. a man wrote me and said, you can go to live in france, but you cannot become a frenchman. you can go to live in germany or turkey or japan, but you cannot become a german, a turk or japanese. but anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in
you know, guy vinson, a strong conservative voice, wrote this on twitter overnight. "as conservatives we should not fear or bemoan demographically shifting electorate. it's our task to make our cause relevant and accessible to more people." "including those who may not initially be natural allies and make them secure in the confidence that our ideas are better." you know, jon meacham, i remember in 1999, george w. bush, a man who i disagreed with many of his policies, with his spending. george w. bush quietly and publicly told republicans in no uncertain terms, i'm running in
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that people who have been republicans for longer than 30 minutes seems to me need to fight for that part of their party, or say good-bye for a very long time. >> we're going -- we have susan del percio, donny deutsch, gene robinson with us as well and we'll stay on the spirit of the discussion, willie geist. michael gerson has a really good piece out in the "washington post" about the politics and then we'll get to some stunning new details pertaining, some of the core proceedings with migrant children and families seeking asylum. first, willie, the politics at play. >> speaking of george w. bush, michael gerson was a speechwriter during both of his terms and new topic on the "washington post" titled "the only way to save the gop is to defeat it." in it he writes, in november many republicans leaners and independent will face a difficult decision.
the national democratic party under nancy pelosi and charles e. schumer doesn't share their views or values but sprt a rolling disaster of mendacity, corruption and prejudice. what should they do? vote democrat nick their house race no matter who the democrats put forward and vote republican in senate races with mainstream candidates, unlike, say, corey stewart in virginia. why vote havestrategically, ame is in the midst of an emergency. gain control of the house not the senate, a check on the president without becoming a threat to his best policies from a republican perspective or enable to enact worst policy. the house will conduct real oversight hearings and expose both russian influence and administration corruption. under republican control important committees such as chairm chairman devin nunes's committee has been pathetic tools of the
balances, but as we've been saying here all year, gene, the founding fathers they foresaw a corrupt tyrannical president. they never foresaw an obsequious congress, legislative branch that would lie down and simply rubber stamp all of the worst proposals of this, of a tyrannical president, and whatever want to define donald trump, he is not madison and jefferson and franklin and washington's idea of a president. >> no. no. he's clearly not. you know, i think the founders would be shocked that congress hasn't acted, not just to investigate this president, probably to impeach this president. remember, they were revolutionaries, and they absolutely specifically planned for this sort of moment, and
this congress is beyond neglect. it's beyond -- it's beyond pathetic, really. i think it's a crime against the constitution that they're not fulfilling their duty even to investigate, protecting the president from exposure of his corruption. they're enabling this president who -- and let's be certain what the contrast is. you heard that laura ingraham quo. doesn't sounds like or smells like white supremacy, that's what it is, pure and simple. and this is a president who is encouraging that, and to saying nothing of all the other things that this president does that are just beyond the pale.
i agree. vote democratic. >> yeah. michael gerson mentioned corey stewart in his piece. the republican nominee for the u.s. senate in virginia, and is responding after a video surfaced from his 2017 virginia governor campaign in which he praised the confederacy for rebelling against the union. >> this is a state of george washington and tom jefferson and james madison and james monroe. it's a state that the founders -- a state of a declaration of independence and the constitution, but it's also the state of robert e. lee and sahl jackson and j.b. stewart. [ applause ] because at the base of it, virgini virginians, we think for ourselves, and if the established order is wrong, we rebel.
question that in the revolution. we did it in the civil war, and we're doing to today. doing it today. >> stewart who grew up in minnesota. >> of course he did, by the way. >> and moved to virginia. >> of course he grew up in minnesota. they're always the worst. >> late 20s. >> transplant. hey, i'm a rebel. >> facing incumbent democrat tim kaine. responding saying, unlike wimpy tim kaine, really? virginians have a warrior spirit and a rebel heart and in a tweet yesterday that stewart has since deleted he attacked michigan democratic candidate for governor abdul el ssayed "a "is commie." oh, my god. these people! >> where's he coming from? minnesota. >> minnesotans are usually nice people. >> but he's not.
he should go back. >> i don't think they want him. >> playing a tough southern -- jon meacham. >> oh, lord. yeah. >> i -- i don't know where to start except unfortunately you can find far too many examples of posers. this guy posing as a southerner, as son of the confederacy, but all of this talk from laura ingraham to corey stewart overlooks one small detail of american history. that many americans said the same ignorant thing hundreds of years ago, and 150 years ago when the irish came. they said the same ignorant things when the germans came. they said the same ignorant things when the italians came to america in respect have been a small segment of no-nothings who have been saying ignorant things about immigrants coming to this
country for over 240 years, and yet, you know, i ticked off a list of a couple of days ago of immigrants, their families that came recently and transformed silicon valley. if we had donald trump and corey stewart's view of america, then you wouldn't have had steve jobs over here. you wouldn't have had the founder of google over here. the founder of yahoo! over here. the founder of reddit over here. the founder of ebay over here. i mean -- and if we want to go back a few years, even albert einstein might have ended up in a nazi concentration camp with donald trump's view on immigration. >> yeah. it's extraordinary that we're still having this conversation in 2018, but we're going to have to keep having it again and again. the talk about the confederacy
and the talk about secession as a successor to the revolution, i find, as a southerner, abhorrent. the south, the civil war, let's just say it quickly here, was about the institution of slavery. it was about the perpetuation of that institution. it was a struggle to end the journey, enshrined in the preamble of the constitution towards a more perfect union. those soldiers took up arms against the constitution of the united states, and would have ended the great america experiment that led to, say, victory in world war ii nap led, to say, victory over soviet communism in the deadliest potential struggle in human history. over the 40 years or more of the cold war. it was -- if anyone doubts that, and so -- and start tweeting -- you know, we can talk about this for the rest of the year, but
that's what it was about. and when people try to appropriate it, and we're approaching -- this is the weekend of the anniversary of the terrible violence in charlottesville. where the president of the united states one year ago, you may remember had a hard time figuring out which side of the argument he was on. neo-nazis and klansmen or the people standing up for the america you just described. and that is one of the many reasons we have a crisis in the moral leadership of the country. >> and donny deutsch, the hypocrisy, of course, as always, when it comes to donald trump is just staggering. here this guy has been fighting against, chain migration. >> oh, my god. >> the most evil thing of all time. with chain migration you bring in ms-13 they're going to come up, shoot up your neighborhoods, go to the malls shoot up your white malls and go to your white high schools and shoot up your
white -- you know, of course, as we've said before, ms-13 accounts for far less than 1% of the illegal immigrants that come to this country, but chain migration must end! >> my lord. >> now! >> my lord. >> writes donald trump. except for the fact, donny, his in-laws have been trying to get into the country on chain migration. and yesterday melania trump's parents became u.s. citizens through -- >> how does he miss that? >> through the same chain migration route that donald trump has been demonizing for a year now. >> yeah. of course, there's the rules for all of us and then there's the rules for donald trump. this is hypocrisy, there needs to be a new word beyond has peypocrisy
sdib th describe that. oh, no. on a major network and says that, basically make america white again. her whole argument beyond being reprehensible and completely counter to what we're about is also false in the sense of that our shifting demographics has very little to do with immigration and the reality is actually as of 2007, every year babies born in this country, whites now are the minority. it's happening in this country. it's not about, oh, people are poring on the borders as we speak. it's who we are now. you can't put the genie back in the bottle nor should we. that's who we are. donald trump, once and for all, we need to look at what his slogan "make america great again" means. we know what it means what it meant. make america white again. that's what that slogan always was. the dog whistle was there, and the fact that now 18 months into his presidency that we have people like laura ingraham blatantly as gene said, there's
no soft -- bigoted, racist comments. guys, whether you like it or not we are a mosaic. it's not changing. it's who we are. even if you built the wall, which is not going to happen, it's who we are and thank god it's who we are. >> and alex, if you can get that ronald reagan clip again that we started the block with. we'll get it to end the block. there are a lot of conservatives that have claimed to be disci e disciples of ronald reagan and this has actually been happening for years now. people run around quoting ronald reagan, and temperamentally, ideologically it's -- in every way possible they are, in fact, the antithesis of ronald reagan and are against everything ronald reagan stood for, and you certainly could talk about big government. the fact that these so-called conservatives in congress along with donald trump have passed
the largest spending bill ever. have the largest federal debt ever. exploded the deficit, the yearly deficit. have been more fiscally irresponsible than any congress in u.s. history, and yet -- and yet -- still claim the mantle of reagan while being demagogues. do we have that to run? mika, let's go to break on it and i'll tell all of my conservative friends, take a good, close look at what ronald reagan said, because it's very telling. he didn't say this in, like, june of 1986. this was his farewell speech to america. still ahead on "morning joe" what do we have, mika? >> we'll tell you about a mother and daughter deported to el salvador, but a judge steps in
and orders the plane turned around nap story is coming up. you're watching "morning joe." >> and here's reagan. >> -- and since this is the last speech that i will give as president i think it's fitting to leave one final thought. an observation about a country which i love. it was stated best in a letter i received not long ago. a man wrote me and said, you can go to live in france, but you cannot become a frenchman. you can go to live in germany or turkey or japan, but you cannot become a german, a turk or japanese. but anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in america and become an american. & the staff needs to know, they will & they'll drop everything can you take a look at her vitals? & share the data with other specialists yeah, i'm looking at them now. & they'll drop everything hey. & take care of this baby yeah, that procedure seems right. & that one too.
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386 have parents who already have been deported, and officials have heard from 299 parents in the last week. however, they don't have any information for 26 parents and still have not file add plan to reunite any of the 559 remaining children with their families. meanwhile, a federal judge in washington ordered a plane carrying a mother and daughter to return to the u.s. while their deportation hearing is underway. u.s. district judge emmet sullivan called the removal pretty outrageous and threatened to hold attorney general jeff sessions in contempt. aclu attorneys were notified of the woman and her daughter during recess and requested the judge delay the deportation. upon arrival in el salvador the pair was sent back to texas, according to dhs. gene robinson, a floob pproblem persists despite all the media on this child's separation. still hundreds of children without their parents at the
border. >> this is a crime. this is really a crime that has taken place. call it kidnapping, call it wafr y whatever you want. beyond outrageous that 559 children remain separated from their parents and that the government knows where, apparently, nearly 300 parents are, and have spoken with them, but has no plan to reunite the children with their parents. how can that be? how can that possibly be? and i believe, i hope, that since this administration wants to behave in this way, i hope other jumps, perhaps the judge in san diego in charge of that case, acts the way judge sullivan did and says, wait a minute. we have laws in this country. and those laws are going to be enforced, and i'm going to start
holding people in contempt of court, in criminal contempt of court, which is where they are. that's the situation now. this is just outrageous. >> and i guess case by case there's legal recourse, when we know of a case, susan, but to put this in pretty plain terms, it appears our government has gone rogue with hundreds of children. kidnapped them, is currently abusing them and in this case decided to deport one and remove the child in the middle of a hearing. it doesn't feel -- this doesn't feel normal, and this feels illegal, and definitely un-american. >> it absolutely is, mika. on top of that we see that -- this administration was not even close to being prepared for what they wanted to even do, which is why we're in this disaster that we have. i wish that the first lady would take her parents, their new, her
parents are newly citizens, down to the border and see what's happening to those children. now, that's something that maybe they could relate to, seeing how hard it is, and the struggle that people have coming in to this country. and don't forget. a lot of these were trying to come in legally. these weren't just all people trying to come in illegally, but this is not america. this is not how we treat people anywhere. nonetheless as our border. >> and following up on what susan just said. >> it's just incredible. >> the trump administration wasn't close to being prepared to, for the ramifications of this policy. they were warned about it by hhs officials saying it would have a devastating effect on children, and we've seen now that they're so desperate to try to clean things up they've now told the aclu, hey, you be in charge of it. you handle it, but i will say yesterday's another good example of how the aclu has stepped up
in this -- in this disaster and has done remarkable work and continued to do remarkable work day in and day out. not -- not for the benefit of liberals. for the benefit of children and for the benefit of america's reputation across the globe. >> yeah. i think it's worth saying, linking all of this together this morning, you've said kind things about two very different american institutions. one is ronald reagan. the other, aclu. rarely do the twain get linked together, and pointed out as working in alliance, but that's what the country at its best -- this may sound sentimental. hell with it. it's actually true -- the country at its best is this combination of forces that may or may not like each other. that may or may not work
together in the morning, but will in the afternoon. that's the nature of compromise. the aclu really grew out of the red scare of the 19-teens. just heard this isn't america. unfortunately, this is america. we shouldn't blink. we shouldn't shy away from the darker aspects of our past. whether it's fighting a civil war over slavery, or woodrow wilson resegregated the federal government and curbing civil liberties through the war. all the way, japanese internment. one of ronald reagan's first political speeches in a way came in a ceremony to honor the japanese-american soldiers, despite internment had gone and fought so heroically for the allied cause. he went with joseph stilwell to southern california to present a medal to a family of a soldier who had died and ultimately president reagan, 40 years
later, would be the president who apologized for that great national sin. so this is not celebratory, but it is a sign that i think fair-minded people will look at the panoply of human experience and say, this side gets it right here. this side gets it right there, and that's what the country's supposed to be. we're not supposed to demonize either out of, somehow out of the public square. we have to be in this together. >> yeah. we do. and donny, how fascinating it is that, over this first half hour today, while we look at the abuses of this administration, and comments that certainly sound like calls for white supremacy, look at the vast array of voices that have pushed back, even with reagan, beyond the grave at that sort of backward thinking.
ronald reagan to the aclu, to guy benson, to a federal judge, actually saying, "turn that plane around and get them back in the united states of america." we still have due process in america. whether donald trump believes in it or not. >> yes. >> so there is -- so for all the negative, there's a hell of a lot of good out there to see, too. good conservatives, liberals, independents pushing back at these abuses. >> yeah, joe. it's interesting. i bet you get some of the same thing. you've said on this show a lot and i've tried to say it also that despite how terrifying things are right now our system holds, and even with that guy in the white house, these checks and balances do work and it's just why the founding fathers were so brilliant. you know, what's going to really
be the tell is in november, and if anything, if there's any harbinger based on what happened the other day, mike allen brought up a brilliant point lead into the show, same math, swing that happened in ohio happens across the country, we'll pick up 43 seats. i think the american people will speak. i want to just go back to the reagan thing, i said in is to willie. interesting if you put up a clip of w., of his father, of obama, of clinton, of the last presidents. the tone, the calm of, when you listen to ronald reagan speak versus the complete opposite -- the first president in our lifetime when he comes on the air as opposed to the calmer cheer, the anger in chief, unnerves you every time he speaks. just listening to reagan beyond the words, which were so heartwarming and reaffirming, his overall tone, understanding
the job in that office is every time you get up in, it's to somehow put your arms and bring 300 million people together versus every time trump gets up there, beyond his words, his -- the visceral quality, the tone of which he speaks pulls us apart and it's a sad comforting look back in remind us how we live today. >> almost easy to forget. it hasn't always been that way. don't have to go back long to see it. the family separation, the entire rationale, heard it publicly from the president, the attorney general, the people out of the white house, a deterrent to people coming to this country illegal. fewer people coming. see they might be separated from their children. jeff sessions said that out loud. this week we got numbers in about family members arrested at the border. the difference is marginal at best. along the border last month in july, 9,258 family members were arrested. down from 9,434 in june.
so by about 150 people. in other words, this plan that separated families and caused all of this stir that was supposed to be a deterrent has not been a deterrent. >> it's all a sham. everything is a sham that donald trump has been saying about immigration and we've talked about it, willie. haven't we? for a year, a year and a half. that actually -- actually throughout donald trump's campaign, that the, this invading a hoard of illegal immigrants to america. >> yeah. >> that requires the building of a wall, that requires family separation, that requires all of these harsh measures. in fact, were proven to be lies by the statistics now of donald trump's own government. >> right. >> and before of the federal government that showed that there was actually a negative net immigration pattern from mexico. more people going back to mexico
than coming in to the united states, mika. >> yeah. >> while donald trump was running for president of the united states. it was all -- i can't say this enough. to my friends and family members who are trump supporters. >> yeah. >> if you look at donald trump's own government websites and look at the trends through the years, everything he told you about this invasion of illegal immigrants, in 2016, was lie. >> yeah. >> more people going back to mexico than coming in to america, and mika, this morning still you have young children ripped from their parents, also donald trump can make a cheap political point, and where is ivanka? as you always say? >> nowhere. >> why isn't she doing something to fix this? where is melania? who yesterday had her
comfortable parents, used chain migration to come to this country, while little children, while infants, while toddlers of still separated from their families on the border. i don't get it. >> also the media needs to step up and i understand our colleagues ober at fox news. there are shows in the evening that exist with opinion. of course. where are the guardrails when you talk about data that is clear. you know? about the numbers. i mean, these -- laura ingraham and her white supremacy speech. i -- i'm still at a loss as to how that made it to air. at some point there have ho be guardrails. where's the management here? hosts with a direct line to the president. we know about that, because trump tried to do that with us. and as soon as we started saying no to things that were clearly wrong, racist, bigot, racism, bigotry, whatever else, and he couldn't get us to sort of parrot exactly what he wanted us
to say and found that his strategy with us didn't work, he gets angry at us on twitter but doesn't talk to us because we don't actually mimic what he says, but these hosts do. they do. and that, you know if they have weak character and they can look in the mirror, that's their problem, but where's management? who heads up fox news? who can allow this to happen and say we're a news network? >> again, we're talking about, it's one thing if you have different views on immigration policy. >> policies for sure. it's complicated. >> if you have a different view on abortion, on same-sex marriage. but when you have a speech that is just, it lines up directly with what white supremacists say, i do think at that point mika's question is a fair question to ask. where is management? who approved a white supremacist speech to go on the air yesterday?
on fox news, in primetime? who's approving that? what does rupert murdoch think? what do his sons think? what do his family think? do they think that is america? they're in this country from -- from -- outside of america. do they think that what she said last night was okay? do they think, wednesday night, do they think that throwing the dog whistles out and instead just appealing directly to white supremacists is where they want that network to go? >> their business model? that's nice. >> you know what? that is -- that is -- as jon meacham says that may about good starter for a night or two. it's a terrible finisher, and i can't believe that the management there, the murdochs and the people that own news
corps are happy that white supremacist speeches are being given in primetime. >> and a siren to fox management. if your hosts are so desperate to be close to the president, so desperate to be close to power that they can't ask questions and they can't use their brains and know between right and wrong, what do you have exactly? in your programming? that's a question we're asking. still ahead -- why this family separation crisis may not be something democrats will be able to capitalize on to retake the house this november. axios co-founder mike allen will explain the messaging problems that both parties are having with typical go-to issues. those details are next on "morning joe." >> donny deutsch will finish his sentence. hey allergy muddlers.
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messages. the biggest dud of all, of course, republicans and tax cuts. remember early in the year they told us those tax cuts were the key to keeping the house, that, of course, didn't even make it out of march, when now representative conor lamb on your air from pennsylvania. that race showed the tax cuts just didn't have their power. for democrats, they thought that russia and mueller would be great issues for them. in fact, turns out that's motivating republicans more. it's fueling that republican rage, abolish i.c.e. turned out to go too far for democrats. now having to dial that back. republicans are using that issue saying we support immigration issues. willie, here's hour the president and republicans could still pay the check for the immigration policies you've talked about throughout the show. in t "new york times" out with new data as the trump coalition.
essential group of the president's victory in 2016 and one of the important groups for republicans in midterms is college educated will. one of the groups that will shy away from those immigration policies. hate the kids at the border issue, and there are signs that could make a big difference. >> mike, donny. i've worked with the dnc and tom perez an their polling clearly shows that it's not the high mind issue. it's health care. it's, two to three to one margin, look, premiuming going up. prescription drugs are going up. wrap it around corruption and wrap it around all the other kind of more macro things but the micro thing, end of the day, we've always known, voters vote with pocketbooks and that is the message that race by race in a retail world, democrats have to keep knocking on. >> exactly right. this fall premiums are going up. another reason republicans have
such trepidation, and donny, one other number that you will appreciate, and it shows importance of this immigration issue we've talked about throughout the show. that is, if you look at key groups of the trump coalition. key voter groups in the midterms, if you look how they feel about immigration, that is almost exactly how they feel about president trump. there's a perfect correlation between trump popularity and the respondents' view of his positions on immigration. >> all right. mike allen, thank you very much. have a great weekend. reading axios as always. joe, we'll get into this on the next hour but donny wants to jump in on a discussion of yesterday. real gems coming for you. >> by the way, i mean, by the way, mike allen needs to re-do his axios report about the things that could hurt the democratic party, because, i mean, obviously, they overplayed their hands on i.c.e. right? >> uh-huh. >> and obviously, they have
overplayed their hands in other ways as well, but now donny tells us he's talking to the dnc chairman tom perez. boy, a big thumbs down for the democrats right there. that's a loss of at least democrats there. that's a net loss of 12 to 14 seats. >> look, i always get ahead of a problem in effect. let's deal with the fallout of it right now. >> i guess, willie, donny has money actually on republicans retaining control of congress. he's doing whatever he can to make sure his money comes in. >> he's throwing the game. still ahead vice president mike pence lays out the details for president trump's new branch of the military, the space force. the idea is being met with spentism even from some senior defense officials. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪
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the pacific, nixon's resignation, if aviation of kuwait. katrina. it is a remarkably chaotic month. seems to me that when the history of the trump presidency is written the events in charlottesville, the rally there, the fact that you had grand wizard of the kkk david duke say this is why we elected donald trump was for this kind of moment so that these hate groups who represent the darkest instincts in the american spirit, cannot be allowed to win. every era is defined on the battle between our worst instincts and the better angels. the better angels need to ride into the arena every day. >> gene, we certainly saw that with the federal judge in washington with the aclu. we showed ronald reagan, guy benson's tweet from yesterday.
there is a struggle, not only for the soul of the conservative movement but also for the soul of america. >> yeah. and ronald reagan and the aclu on the same side in that struggle. you know, there are times when the sheer incompetence of this administration sort of mitigates its maligned intent. when they try to do the muslim ban for the first time they didn't know how to write the executive order properly so it kept getting tossed out. the child separations, however, is a situation in which it's compounded the malign intent, the incompetences. they don't know how to reunite these parents and children. that's just tragic. they don't know how to do it. just amazing. >> gene and john, thank you for being on this morning. 2018 is shaping up to be a goodyear for democrats but
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because in some parts of the country it does seem like the america that we know and love doesn't exist any more. massive demographic changes have been foisted upon the american people and changes that we never voted for and don't like. from virginia to california we see stark examples of how radically in some ways the country has changed. now much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that, of course, progressives love. >> since this is the last speech that i will give as president, i think it's fitting to leave one final thought. an observation about a country which i love. it was stated best in a letter i received not long ago. a man wrote me and said, you can go live in france but you can't become a frenchman. you can go live in germany or turkey or japan but you cannot become a german, a turk or a
japanese. but anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in america and become an american. >> two extraordinarily starkly different views of america and what america is and what america has been. ronald reagan, he chose to use his final address to northwestern people to deliver a point that he considered to go the very essence of a country that he just loved so much. and gave his entire life for. reagan always talked about a city shining brightly on the hill for all the world to see. not what matthew or jesus said
christians should be in his sermon on the mound. for reagan that city shining brightly on the hill for all the world to see, it was lit by the torch of lady liberty. showing the way for people all across the world, as ronald reagan just said. to come to america. you know, it was so inspiring and it reminded me of, again, what i've heard general hayden say, which is you can go all over the world and it's kind of hard to feel like you're a citizen of most countries, but you come to america and we're driven by a creed. you read the document, you understand the document, you pledge allegiance to the document, and then you shake our hands and we welcome you because you are an american.
isn't it interesting, i think it's so fascinating that presidents often in their final address will underline what is most important to them. everybody remembers about dwight d. eisenhower's final address to the american people where he warned of the military industrial complex. for ike, a man who had served in the military and he understood the dangers of excesses. and understood inherent in that alliance. always needed checks and balances. that's how dwight d. eisenhower used his farewell address. but mika, how moving that ronald reagan like a lot of conservatives i style know, ronald reagan decided to use his farewell address to america to talk about a country that still
welcomes refugees and immigrants from across the globe, not because we're doing them a favor, but because that's who we are. >> yep. >> my god, i almost feel like we need to show that clip of reagan just about every day to remind a small segment of this population once again who reagan believed we are, and who we have been for over 240 years. >> it was clear, speaking from his heart. the letter he received touched him because it touched the core of what america is, and he loves the country. that's what it's all about. back with joe, really and me, donny deutsche is with us along with republican strategist and nbc political analyst. the host of nbc's "politicsnation" and president of the national action network
al sharpton. and john harwood joins us. columnist and deputy editorial page editor of the "the washington post" ruth marcus is with us as well. so, joe, it's been -- it seems like every day the narrative on the air avenues especially but even the stories themselves when we look deeper into the separation of children from their families and the court cases going on and even the president's words about different types of immigration, not even knowing that this is how his wife's parents are coming here. the disconnect is more real every day. >> there is a massive disconnect. but also, though, there's always a reason for hope. sister margaret in 10th grade in journalism class had a poem when she was trying to get somebody to think positively. she would say two inmates looked out from behind the bars.
one saw mud the other stars. and let's look at the stars today, okay. let's look at what ronald reagan said. what republicans have believed. i mean, my god the koch brothers are talking about how they may not support -- they may not support republicans if they adopt donald trump's viewpoint on immigration. look what the federal judge did yesterday, saying he was going to hold sessions in contempt of court if they didn't turn that plane around and bring the mother and daughter whose hearing was before him, they didn't bring them back to the united states. the aclu standing in the gap and john meacham said we should celebrate this morning we're quoting ronald reagan and the aclu in the same breath because
we've all got to come together, and fight some of these violations of constitutional norms and more importantly who we are as a nation. >> you know, i definitely agree. i mean no one fights these issues more and harder than i do, but you fight because you hope. you don't fight out of despair. when you look at what a ronald reagan said, someone that i opposed in his eight years in office, it shows the high bar that he had even the conservative elements of this country that we can unite around. and push those that would do what was done in charlottesville a year ago and what is being said by people like laura ingrahm to the side because it's nothing wrom with healthy debate and healthy disagreement as long as we're reaching for higher ground in america and we fight with the hope that we can make it better, not fight because we
want to beat other people down and make them less than us in the name of supremacy based on race or nationality. >> donny, we've talked a lot of reaction to laura ingrahm's speech two nights ago. one saying of her comments, this is one of the most important truthful monologs in the history of mainstream media. that was a quote from david duke leader of the ku klux klan. sounds like laura ingrahm and others talk about the america they wish existed compared to the one that exist. you talked about ronald reagan to pull it back to a time that felt better for a lot of people. >> that's what dictators do. they find enough people in this country, 35% unhappy with their lot in their life. it's not their fault. it's the black man's fault or the jew's fault. that's how fascist dictators come to power.
i have a call to action to advertisers as far as to laura ingram's message. someone gets thrown off the air for saying something racist or using the n-word. this is more reprehensible. you're basically saying we should be white. i would challenge every ceo to walk through their companies this morning and look around and tap everybody on the shoulder and say where did your gran parents come from. and nicetieser that endorses that behavior and can watch that message that laura ingrahm puts out there yep i think my company shares those values i endorse those values i want to meet that ceo because i never met a ceo that would stand behind that. advertisers need to take a hard look at who is supporting that kind of message. >> donald trump can do that hip self. what a hypocrite. his mother was an immigrant to this country. his in-laws became citizens to this country.
immigrants that use chain immigration, a form of migration, i'll admit, i'll be the first to admit, i think it needs to be reformed. but i would not be saying it needs to end now because of gang members -- it's evil. but i believe, again, i'm fairly conservative when it comes to immigration. i've longed believed that chain migration needed to be reformed. but you don't go out with his broad strokes and saying look you can reform it. make more sense. yes you can even have it be based on what skills people will bring to this country. how they will make this country better. we, of course -- of course we have to let refugees in. that's who we are as a country. fleeing persecution. but donald trump, though, john harwood, is blasting chain
migration, saying it's evil, saying it must be ended now, and his own in-laws get in using chain migration. the hypocrisy is overwhelming for this billionaire populist. >> we don't know if there's some sort of subtext to his emphasis on that. i don't know how he feels about his in-laws. let's remember the context we're talking about. when ronald reagan was succeeding politically on the national stage the electoral was about 90% white. what's turned dog whistles from to primal screams is by people who are being displaced in this country. they are losing out economically. they don't like the cultural changes they see. because the republican party has lashed itself to the people who feel that anxiety the most
acutely they have to try ever hard to motivate them to get them out to vote and we're seeing the republican party change in real-time. in the summer of 2014 when the "wall street journal" nbc poll surveyed the electorate, 40% were whites without college degrees. this summer of all the people who called themselves republicans, 60% of them were whites without college degrees and those are the people who are struggling with the way the country is changing, and they know and we've talked about in the next 25 years whites are likely to become a minority in this country. they are not going to be majority any more and there are a lot of people who are concerned, scared by that development. >> you know, ruth, those demographic trends have been in place, locked in for 20 years now. i remember reading "time"
magazine articles telling us by 2040 whites would be in the minority. this is not a surprise to anyone. by the way, it's more evidence for the republican party and as guy benson and others have said, at george h. w. bush said in 1999 that republicans, conservatives must make their conservative message relevant to the lives of immigrants. they certainly can. i just -- i'll tell you what is so fascinating to me is that we've always heard through the years, haven't we, that there are racial tensions, there's violence against immigrants when there are bad economic times and people feel like immigrants are coming in taking their jobs. well, if you take donald trump at his word, this is the best economy we have ever had in the world. so what the hell are they
worried about because donald trump says they are doing better now than ever before. so, if that is, in fact, the case, this has nothing to do with economic fears. this is just straight out racism. >> was that in question form? if you take donald trump at his word is kind of a big if, and i just want to say you don't have to be a republican to have serious reagan nostalgia. i just don't think you should run that clip every day on the show. we should have it on a continuous loop. we should show it to the i.c.e. agents. we should show it to the customs folks. we should show it to the people who are waiting at detention centers because that is who we are. as you point out the changing demographics show that it's not just a moral imperative that ronald reagan was talking about for the republican party and
smart republicans have understood this for a long time, it's a longer term political imperative because that nativist approach will not be successful in the long run. i do want to say that, i want to be your sister margaret for a moment, as unlikely as that may seem and offer an optimistic take. i think a year since charlottesville we've had a national this is not us moment. for all the laura ingrahms of the world, for all the president trump and his not just failure to stand up to her rhetoric but what he's doing, there are a lot of people have been looking at charlottesville and saying this is not us. they are looking at the separation of children and families and saying this is not us. and i think that's what we need to cling to in the face of ingrammism. >> mika, it's such an important
message to be positive. because we're talking about ronald reagan. we also remember that reagan was an eternal optimist, where people saw grit, grime and decay, ronald reagan saw a city shining brightly on the hill for all the world to see. he believed in america exceptionalism and would not have believed in america exceptionalism if he didn't constantly believe that better days were ahead. that's what he always said. i think so many people can take the bait from donald trump and be too negative instead of looking at all of the positive stories we have out there of people pushing back, of all races, all creeds, all religions, all ideological background. >> i get that. i know that, you know, for quite some time now you've been saying calm down, we're going to be
okay. but john harwood, also i want to hear from al sharpton on this, this persists, this hey fred persists. these children continue to be separated from their families. the administration appears to even be pushing back on efforts to reunite these families. every time people step up and say this is wrong, more seems to happen. at what point do we need to do more than just say this is wrong. >> that's the point, mika, everybody is doing more than just saying this is wrong. you look what the aclu is doing and you look what lawyers are doing, what judges are doing. you look what activists are doing. you look what -- i mean john harwood, what private charities are doing. there is a great push back against this every single day, is there not, john? >> absolutely.
the different parts of the american spirit are, in fact, responding to the stimulus that you guys were talking about. some within the republican party feel that too. joe, two years ago i sat down with your friend paul ryan, the house speaker, and he was at that time trying to figure out whether or not donald trump was going to be the nominee and he gave a set of remarks to me that were very similar to ronald reagan. he said, you know, we're a country founded on an idea, not on the place of your birth or your ethnicity or whatever. he was mocking at that time -- >> have you seen that paul ryan in a while? >> that's my point. that's my point. within the republican party that has power to act politically, they simply either don't think they have the power or aren't willing to use the power to stand up and speak. and, you know, paul ryan at that
time was mocking donald trump's pledge to have mexico build the wall. he doesn't do that any more. and it's a reflection of political compromises that people make as we, you know, prepares to leave the stage as speaker and also some of the power realities within his party. >> yeah. it's a great point, john. there's so many things that have shocked me over the past couple of years. got to say the inability of republicans to stand up for things that they have fought for their entire life has to be at the top of the list. i always knew that donald trump wasn't a conservative. had said nasty things about ronald reagan throughout his entire life. had said nasty things about republicans throughout his entire life and conservatives throughout his entire life. unfortunately, again, going back to december 2015, i didn't vote
for the man, i knew what was coming, i never saw the republican party complete lly capitulate to him the way they did. we'll save that for another day. one of the things in conversation that you and i have had over the past several years that impresses me the most about you, is you look at a terrible situation and you call out the injustice, but then like we saw on staten island, like my good friend ron dileems did in the late 1960s you tell everybody to stay calm. and your message has been, again, in private and public, when we've talked over the past several years that -- and i like what meacham, the quote meacham
likes to say. as bad as it's been the arc of civilization is always moving upward and we always are moving forward no matter what the obstacles are in front of us today. do you still believe that? and is that message still critical for people who want to advance civil rights? >> it is critical, it's even more critical now. you know a year ago we had charlottesville. this sun i'll be preaching at mount zion in charlottesville because the real testimony is that there were those that stood up against racism and supremacy that we cannot forget. we can't forget the girl that died. but we also cannot forget the tremendous push back against the president's ugly statements, and martin luther king jr. said the measure of a man or woman is not where they stand in the time of convenience but the time of controversy. people are standing up. last sunday, joe, i was in
florida, clearwater, your home state where we were taking on the stand your ground, the whole stand your ground law. six years ago i went and did that with trayvon there was not a lot of white support. this time all five democratic candidates came to the rally and stood with us and even the republican, desantos said i'm not coming to the rally, i'm not an al sharpton fan but i challenge how you can shoot unarmed people and stand you ground. so if you keep going you can make progress. the hard part is fight wrong without enacting the wrong spirit and wrong feelings that you're fighting. you must be above it and stay above it but you must confront it. >> all the people said amen. >> joe, i want to say one thing about the better angels that you were talking about. i just came back from a week in
israel where an organization founded by two american brothers from the washington area who played college basketball bring israelis and palestinians together. they bring together kids with police officers in brooklyn. that's simply an example of the way in which people trying to do good are doing it all across this country and around the world. so there are reasons hope to that some of the polarization, divisions we're talking about can be brought together. it just requires effort and more people making effort. >> you're exactly right, john. it's a great story. it's a great example for all of us too. thank you so much john as always. we love having you. hope to have you back on very soon. and ruth, it is important for us
to do that, for us all, especially us to get out of our, the bubbles that we live in and reach out to other people that don't understand us and that we don't understand. but there's also, going back to a reason to hope, because of the government that we have. i think two of the most -- yes charlottesville was one of the darkest moments in recent american history, but i'll tell you what, the response to that and to those policies, so inspired in the virginia governor's race even though i didn't have a dog in the fight on whether the republican or the democrat won, but all those women standing in the rain in northern virginia for hours basically saying i'm not going anywhere. i'm going stay here. i'm going to stand my ground and i'm going to vote and send a message to donald trump. same in alabama, across the black belt of central alabama. black voters turned out in higher numbers in an off year
special election than they even did for barack obama in a presidential year. isn't that a reason to be hopeful? >> that is the reason to be hopeful. and as i said also the response to family separation is a reason to be hopeful. now i'm going to do the reason to worry, and you spoke about virginia. in virginia the candidate for senate tweeted, though he did untweet it about a candidate for governor democratic primary who lost in michigan called him an isis comme because he's muslim-american. this just has to be denounced by everybody involved. and the biggest reason for worry, weaver seen uprising from the public, we've seen bravery and upholding the constitution from federal judges, what have we seen from republicans in congress?
cowardice. i think of them like the flying monkeys in "the wizard of oz". i believe somehow once donald trump spell over them, his political hold is weakened in the least little bit and he starts to melt to keep on going with my analogy that they too will rise up against him and that it may not take that much to break the spell because they certainly privately have no huge love for president trump, but they have been the most disappointing element of the response in the trump era. >> "the washington post" ruth marcus, thank you very much. still ahead on morning joe the "new york times" keeps failing its way to many more subscribers and more bomb shell reports. we'll talk about the status of the free press under president trump. but first, one year since charlottesville. a look back at that deadly rally last year. what we learned it from and what still needs a lot more
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six months after marching in the deadly unite the right rally i asked gabe to return to charlottesville. it's time for him to confront the painful truth about what really happened here. most of the people i work with have never had a meaningful interaction with the people they claim to hate. jews, african-americans, or the counter protesters at the charlottesville rally. what saved me was interacting with the people i thought were my enemies. >> every time you meet someone from the other side is when you're like at a rally and you're both screaming at each other, about ready to fight or something. >> that was a look at the new msnbc special breaking hate which premiers this sunday on the one year mark of the deadly clash between protesters and white nationalists in
charlottesville, virginia. it shares the story of a white activist who dedicated his life to reforming others. christian joins us now. he's the author of book "white american youth." also with us in washington, contributor to members news.com editorial page think, sofia nelson. author of the book "epluribus one." thank you for being here. christian, tell me about gabe the young man you were sitting there with. why did he show up in charlottesville, what is he so angry about? >> i started working with gabe about a year and a half ago after his mother contacted me. it took him a while to actually talk to me. i worked with his mother and counselled her. we made progress. at one point he decided he wanted to go to charlottesville. he was missing the brotherhood
of it. but after he went there he really had the revelation that that wasn't something that he wanted to be a part of any more. so he finally reached out to me. he made that initiative to really talk about what was going through his heart and i brought him back there to face his demons. >> where does that hate come from? we've been talking about gabe. where did it come from you? where is the hate coming from? >> i don't think that ideology is what causes these people to hate. i think it's search for identity, community and purpose growing up and they hit what i call potholes in the road that deviate their path. if we don't have the resources to fill in those potholes and get us back on track we get dangerously lost. for gabe he grew up in poverty. he grew up where his father died when he was young. and he really just never had the resources and never had the interaction with people to build that humanization.
>> like a lot of gangs they fill a void that some young people don't have in their lives. >> that's right. they become the family they don't have. becomes a lot of other things. the danger is, though, when you get people seeking power or achieving power that plays into the element which is what president trump said making moral equestikwi equivalence be gives legitimacy to people like gabe who has a more difficult task of taking them out of that. they feel legitimate. they feel this is the american way to hate. that's why people in power ought not to play on this and pump these emotions that ought to be turned around. >> there's a documentary coming out about jihadists, this footage that shows we've never seen before, same thing. lost young people and given the sense of identity, give them a sense of brotherhood to the
point where they will lose any sense of humanity. where it's gangs, white nationalists, jihadists, same ideology. >> sofia, we talk a lot about hearing these important documentaries and thing but what is the real wake up call that you think we need to see as nation to start coming together? even beyond parties but just as a nation. >> well, you know, a year ago we talked about this and willie asked me a question, sofia what's the best outcome in the aftermath of charlottesville. one i hope we start listening to each other and hearing each other. the second thing is that i think we have to acknowledge that there are two different americas. i think for me as an african-american woman in the past year plus, it's really become acute to me that i live a very different experience as a black woman in this country than
does someone white. it doesn't matter what class we're from what education levels we have we're living in two different americas. you see that narrative play every day whether 911 calls on black people in starbucks or eating lufrmg at smith college or the way we're treated in predatory lending or the way police stops and altercations with the police. it is a very different experience and i think that what we have to do if we're going to fix this is have the conversation about race that we still have yet to have as a country. yes, we've had legislation. yes, we've passed laws. you can't legislate people's hearts and your guest said something profound when the young man said it's when i had to talk to my enemies, listen to what he said. when he had to engage with those whom he had fear or anger or ignorance about that's when he understood this is not the right
way. that's the way forward for us. talking and engaging and listening and not dismissing each other but actually hearing each other. >> well said. to sharpton's previous point about president trump, when you talk to people like gabe, you talk to other white supremacists willing to talk to you and reach out to you do they bring up president trump? do they feel he's given them some cover to come out from under their rocks? >> absolutely. what he's doing is he's normalizing the language that they use behind closed doors that's edgier. but they feel so empowered by this because they feel like they have a person who has their back. because he's using more palatable language than they use. he's speaking the same language. >> what do you think? >> it breaks my heart to hear the president of the united states is responsible for this. you had some great clips in the
lead in. ronald reagan and others. no republican president in my lifetime has talked like this. no president has talked like this. donald trump, it's not a dog whistle it's a bull horn. it's a calling the black players in nfl sons of bs. it's the language. i grew up in working class american. i know what it's like to group in that environment. trump stokes that kind of thing that people are already afraid of losing their jobs, losing their wealth, losing their ability to send their kids to school. they are fearful. he stokes it. this gentleman is right. it makes me sad. that's not what the president of the united states of america ought over to do. that's not his job. >> yet he cosmopolitans to do it. the documentary will be fascinating. breaking hate is on msnbc on sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. sofia nelson great to have your perspective. thank you very much. this morning we played four
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when reagan was talking about again in his final address that with every new wave of immigrants we are sure we'll forever be young and forever be on the cutting-edge of where we need to be in the world, and the date of that was 1989. it would be, of course, within the next two, three, four years that issilicone valley would kpleed. it usher in silicon valley the information age we still live in, and without the sort of immigration policies that ronald reagan was preaching and the sort of immigration policies that donald trump is demonizing, we wouldn't have steve jobs, we wouldn't have had apple, we would never had google, we would never had yahoo!. we would never had e-bay.
the revolution, at intel would never have happened. we would never have read it. we never would have -- you go one -- tesla. one company after another. refugees that came to america, brought their genius to america and said oh, my god, i can do anything here. and they changed the world. that's what donald trump, that's what right-wing talkers want to stop. and that's why we have to keep listening to reagan. >> it's been so instructive this form and informative to watch and important, i think important to watch that side-by-side. to watch ronald reagan speak. it reminds us how extreme donald trump's rhetoric is. this is george h. w. bush. listen to this rhetoric. this is a president talking about undocumented workers. many undocumented workers walk mile after mile heat of the day, cold of entitled some risked
their lives in dangerous border crossings. workers who seek the eastern living end up in the shadows of american life. bush said immigration is not a problem to be solved it's the sign of a successful nation. that's a republican president not 50 years ago, the last republican president talking about immigration and put that up next to what president trump says day after day on this issue. before we let you go, i want to talk to you about the trayvon martin documentary series. six part series on b.e.t. and paramount network. not a bad idea to bring thunder. you can't say enough about it. where are we six years later in this story? >> six years later, ironically today is the birthday of stephon clark who was killed by police this year in sacramento, california. his grandmother texted me earlier this morning. yesterday was michael brown's birthday who would have been 19 -- of 18 when he was killed
in ferguson. we're still confronting tissue of policing and what this series does, what jay-z's executive producer showed how this killing by a wannabe cop george zimmerman sparked a whole moment to nationalize it and that this was a real kid with real parents, real human being. so, yes, it shows the movement. it shows the need for a movement. shows why i'm going to charlottesville this weekend. but also shows these are real human beings that we're taking their lives away and they deserve the same equal protection under the law as anybody else's kid. >> again you say how far been heartened by support you've gotten from places you wouldn't expect a few years ago. >> i've been inspired watching ronald reagan. i never realized how reagan had such class and dignity. even his carriage until you compare to it a donald trump. and i protested reagan but let me tell you there's no
comparison between -- i rather have reagan on a horse than trump in the traufrp towers. >> six part documentary series arrest in power trayvon martin story is airing on the paramount network and b.e.t.. >> trump likes to call at any time failing "new york times" but the paper reported a major profit. we'll take a look at the "new york times" inner working during president trump's first year in office. office. that's next on "morning joe".
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people -- fake news, fake news. they are fake. >> when you read the "new york times," it's just story after story after story that is just a negative spin. >> the enemy. the enemy of the people, i call them. >> president trump continues to rail against the press, even saying recently that the fake news is dangerous and sick and can also, quote, cause war. a favorite target of the president has been the failing, so-called, "new york times." but as the times peter baker recently pointed out, the paper just added another 109,000 new subscribers for the seconder quarter, bringing the total to 3.8 million subscribers for digital and print. that's all of eyeballs. the showtime documentary the fourth seat conicals the job of journalists covering president trump in his first year in
office and the series recently earned an emmy nomination. take a look. >> we have a president who is very comfortable not telling the truth. >> very strange. >> we have a left that doesn't want to hear what the other side has to say. and we have a right that feels the same way. and all of those groups are picking through every story, looking for places where we failed. >> joining us now, the series director and producer, liz garbis, who spent the last year embedded with the times. liz, thanks for being on. thanks for doing this. what did you find? what surprised you in your year embedded with "the times" as you try to look at the challenge reporters face in this landscape, in this atmosphere, but also in what we do as reporters and journalists because we are an ever evolving
always trying to get better entity? >> i think what is striking is with all the attacks of fake news, and the enemy of the people and the idea that there's some kind of conspiracy brewing within places like the "new york times" or "the washington post," what i found was extraordinary caution. the amount of tips and possibly disinformation that comes in on a daily basis to these journalists and how wary they are of going out you with information that they have, that they can't triple, quadruple source. i think what we saw happen with brian ras was he went out with one -- that could happen to any day to any journalist that you could go out with a story you've been given on other people and then it could watch. that danger is there all the time. the fact that the "new york
times" writers get it right as often as they do is extraordinary. >> the transparency, they really gave you access to go there even in some of their most difficult moments. that they were confronting as a paper. >> yeah. he thought the best way to respond to attack was to be transparent. whatever anybody is accusing them of, even with mistakes, warts and all, it's not going to be as bad as what they're being accuse of. so transparency is the answer. .i think it was smart. what you see are team going to work every day, doing their best, and mostly getting it right. we know a lot of the reporters that you've highlighted in the documentary. did you find that they absorb the attacks from donald trump? is it on their mind? does it feel important to them that they're under assault from the president? >> i don't think it affects them day-to-day in the way they go about doing their job. the stakes have always been high when you get something wrong,
there are huge repercussions. it doesn't happen that much. when it does, they correct it and take it seriously. i think the stakes are higher now so that weighs on people. but you don't see them kind of really paying attention to it or engaging in it. mary baron said the president is at war but was ae journalists are at work. that's what you see. >> let me play devil's advocate and say yes, but these people are left leaning by nature. how can they be objective? even if they are trying to be. they vote a certain way, how are they not just leaning a little left as they're reporting? >> you know, journalists are human beings and, of course, they may vote. some don't vote, but they may vote and they may go out there and express that. but i think that what -- and dean has said this, too. the natural state of affairs between the press and power should be one of tension. it should be one of holding them accountable. they obviously went after hillary clinton with a lot of passion, right?
so i think that is the natural state of affairs between the press and power. with this president with a lot of misstatement, attacks, you feel that tension even more so. but i think it is the natural state of affairs. >> you know, mika, maybe most journalists are center left. a lot of surveys have shown that through the years. but you talk to hillary clinton supporters, they're just as angry at the "new york times." from michael sch mi dt's tough reporting through yao the 2015-16 campaign. so the "new york times" got it from both sides and the times is is it still getting hammered from democrats and hillary clinton supporters for their tough, fair coverage in the 2016 election cycle. >> all four episodes of emmy nominated documentary series "the fourth estate" available across showtime platforms. liz, thank you very much for your work. appreciate it. still ahead, does the gop have to lose now to win later?
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think it's fitting to leave one final thought and observation about a country i love. it was stated best in a letter i received not long ago. a man wrote me and said you can go and live in france, but you cannot become a frenchman. you can go live in germany, france or japan and you cannot become a german, frenchman or japanese. but anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in america and become an american. >> so nearly 30 years separate those moments, joe, but watching ronald reagan speak that way actually brings me to tiers right now, especially seeing the way laura ingram really tried to encapsulate her vision of america right before that. it is one beautiful outlook of
how we have become this beautiful country versus something very trashy, very ugly and very sad. >> ronald reagan is so uplifting because as ronald reagan always -- he had this beautiful talent to reconnect us with who we were, to remind us about that dream that was and that is america and even when we fall short and we have fallen short so many times through the years. it's that dream, you know, the dream that all men, all women are created equal and also that dream that you can go to france, but you can't become a frenchman. you can go to germany, but you can't become a german. you can come to america and as general hayden said, it's pretty simple. you read the document, you understand the doum, you pledge
allegiance to the document and we shake your hand and you are every bit as much of an american as me and other people who have been here for 400 years. just like that. that is the magic of america and guess what? no president, no radio talk show host, no white supremacist in virginia can ever change that. >> you know, guy benson, a strong, conservative voice wrote this on twitter overnight. as conservatives, we should not fear or bemoan demographically shifted electorate. it's our task to make our cause relevant and accessible to more people. including those who may not initially be natural allies. and make them secure in the confidence that the our ideas
are better. and, you know, john meachum, i remember in 1999, george w. bush, a man who i disagreed with many of george w. bush's policies, with his spending, george w. bush quietly and publicly told republicans in no uncertain terms in running in 2000 and one of the major focuses of my major focuses will be to reawaken the republican party to the importance to reaching out to those who may not be just like us. to sphispanics, especially, the largest growing demographic group in america. we have to put this soft bigotry -- >> white supremacy.
>> -- we call it which is looking more and more like white supremacy these days. and george w. bush in his re-election bid got, what, 43, 44% of the hispanic vote because he did what guy benson said conservatives today need to do. make their views accessible and relevant. >> and you look at just as recently as john mccain who manages to -- remember, he says when a questioner probably the kind of questioner thatter laura was talking about who is not happy with the way the country is changing. he says he's, you know, obama is a muslim and mccain shuts quite courageously shuts the woman down in 2008. 2012, governor romney, a figure who his dad was born in mexico
because he was a part of the mormon missionary family. it was an internationalist view. it was a party that for all of its faults and all institutions on this side of paradise are flawed. for all of its faults, it was about that reagan-esque vision of all the prilg rams through all the darkness hurleding towards home. and that is in such extreme distress now that people who have been republicans for longer than 30 minutes seems to me need to fight for that party of their party or say good-bye for a very long time. >> we're going to -- we have susan delpercio, donny deutsch and gene robinson with us, as well. we'll stay on the spirit of the discussion, willie geist. michael gersen has a really good
piece out in "the washington post" about the politics i play and then we'll get to some stunning new details pertaining some of the core proceedings with migrant children and families seeking asylum. but, first, willie, the politics at play. >> speaking of george w. bush, michael gersch was a senior adviser to the president and gersh has a new column titled the only way to save the gop is to defeat it. in november, many republican leaners and independents will face a difficult decision. the national democratic party doesn't share their views or values. but president trump is a rolling disaster of mendacity, corruption and prejudice. what should they do? they should vote democratic in their house race. no matter who the democrats put forward. and they should vote republican in senate races with mainstream candidates, unlike, say, corey stewart in virginia. why vote strategically in this place? because american politics is in the midst of an emergency. if democrats gain control of the
house but not the senate, they will be a check on the president without become ago threat to his best policies. from a republican perspective. or able to enact their worse policies. the tax cut will stand. the senate will still approve conservative jumps, but the house will, under republican control, important committees, such as chairman devin nunes's house intelligence committee have become scraping, sniffeling panting and pathetic tools of the executive branch. susan, would you have worked in republican politics for a long time. what do you make of gersen's take in this moment? >> it's hard to hear. i'm torn about it. playing the strategic voting game is always a little differen difficult. it typically doesn't work out the way you want it. i think if there are republicans
you can support, you should vote for them. why would you vote for a lesser candidate if you think they're not up for the challenge? that's my first point. the second is if you think a republican has been an enabler of donald trump, don't vote for them. it doesn't mean you have to vote for a democrat. >> joe, what do you think? >> yeah, it's -- it's tough. i mean, it's very difficult. i remember in gene robinson in 2006 i remember writing a column making the same argument. along with christopher buckley and other republicans who said there has to be checks on -- we're talking about george w. bush, but on an administration that mishandled iraq, that was talking about exporting democracy to ending tyranny on all four corners of the globe through the united states
military, which was already overstretched. we were post katrina. but there was this feeling that there had to be a check. and there are times that you have to vote strategically. and it would be different if the legislative branch were actually an empty, functioning branch of this government, of madison's brilliant design, a government of checks and balances. but as we have been saying here all year, gene, the founding fathers, they foresaw a corrupt tyrannical president. they never foresaw an obsequious congress, legislative branch, that would lie down and simple hadly rubber stamp all of the worst proposals of this the -- of a tyrannical president. and whatever you want to define
donald trump, he is not madison and jefferson and franklin and washington's idea of a president. >> no, he's clearly not. you know, i think the founders would be -- you know, would be shocked that congress hasn't acted not just to investigate this president, but probably to impeach this president. remember, they were revolutionaries and they absolutely specifically planned for this sort of moment. and this congress is beyond negligent. it's beyond pathetic, really. i think it's a crime against the constitution that they're not fulfilling their duty even to investigate to protecting the president from exposure of his corruption. they're enabling this president who -- and let's be certain what
the contrast is. you heard that laura ingram quote. i mean, that's -- that -- let's not say that sounds like white supremacy or smells like it. that's what it is. that's what it is. >> that's what it is. >> pure and simple. >> and this is a president who is encouraging that and to say nothing of all the other things the president has done. i agree with george, vote democratic. also on the campaign train, virginia's republican senate nominee has just pulled down a tweet, but his message is still loud and clear. what corey stewart said about a muslim american running for governor. >> it's really just, mika, unbelievable and out and out -- i mean, basically, not a dog
whistle, but a fog horn. >> a blatant one. >> to bring in racists. >> but first, we go to bill car karins with a check on the forecast. >> i feel like i should give apologies to what's happening this weekend on the east coast with the rain and clouds. friday, by far, your afternoon/evening, the best you're going to get this weekend mid atlantic up through the weekend. as we go through saturday morning, you wake up to rain in areas of the capital district, rain and thunderstorms rolling in through portions of southern new england. notice all the clouds here. it's not going to rain all day in d.c. and battler more, the beaches of virginia, the del mar. we will see a period of showers and thunderstorms rolling in through sunday afternoon. cloudy in areas of new england and more come sunday. opposite of how hot and humid it's been. it will be drearier, periods of rain and cooler, too. out west, the heat is on today. 104 in boise.
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corey stewart in his piece. stewart is a republican nominee for the u.s. senate in virginia and responding a after a video surfaced from his 2017 virginia governor campaign in which he praised the confederacy for rebelling against the union. >> this the is the state of georgia washington that george washington and james madison and james monroe, it's the state of the founders. it's a state of a declaration of any penance and the constitution, but it's also the state of robert e. lee and stonewall jackson and j.b. stewart. because at the base of it, virginians, we think for ourselves. and if the established order is wrong, we rebel. >> amen. >> we did that in the revolution. we did it in the civil war. and we're doing it today. >> stewart, who grew up in
minnesota -- >> of course he did, by the way. >> and moved to virginia. >> they're always the worst. transplants in saying hey, i'm a rebel. >> is facing incumbent democrat tim cain this september. he responded to the video saying unlike wimpy tim cain, virginians have a warrior spirit and a rebel heart. in a tweet yesterday that stewart has since deleted, he attacked michigan democratic candidate for governor abdul el sayed as a, quote, isis commy. oh, my god. these people. >> where is it coming from? he comes from minnesota and he's trying to play tough southern boy. >> minnesotans are usually nice people. >> but he's not. you should go back. >> i don't think they want him. >> ned of trying to play the role of tough southerner. john meachum -- >> oh, lord. yeah. >> i really -- i don't know
where to start except, unfortunately, you can find far too many examples of these sort of posers, this guy posing as a southerner as the son of the confederacy. but all of this talk, from laura ingram, corey stewart, overlooks one small detail of american history that many americans said the same ignorant thing hundreds of years ago and 150 years ago when the irish came. they said the same ignorant things when the with germans came. they said the same iger norrant things when the italians came to america. there have been a small segment of know-nothings who have been saying the same thing about immigrants coming in this country for over 240 years. i ticked off a list a couple of days ago about immigrants and
their families that came recently and transformed silicone valley. if we had donald trump and corey stewart's view of america, then you wouldn't have had steve jobs over here. you wouldn't have had the founder of google over here, the founder of yahoo! over here, the founder of reddit over here, the founder of ebay over here. i mean, and if we want to go back a few years, even albert einstein may have ended up in a nazi concentration camp with donald trump's viewpoint on immigration. >> yeah. it's extraordinary that we're still having this conversation in 2018. but we're going to keep having it again and again. the talk about the confederacy and the talk about secession as a successor to the revolution, i find as a southerner abhorrent.
the south, the civil war, let's say it quickly here had. was about the institution of slavery. it was about the perpetuation of that institution. it was a struggle to end the journey enshrined in the preamble of the constitution toward a more perfect union. those sola soldiers would have the great american experiment that led to, say, victory in world war ii. that led to, say, victory over soviet communism in the deadliest potential struggle in human history over the 40 years or more of the cold war. it was -- and if anyone doubts that and so -- and start tweeting, you know, we can talk about this for the rest of the year. but that's what it was about. and when people try to appropriate it, and we're approaching -- this is the weekend of the anniversary of the terrible violence in
charlottesville where the president of the united states, one year ago, you may remember, had a hard time figuring out which side of the argument he was on. neo-nazis and clansmen or the people standing up for the america you just described. and that is one of the many reasons we have a crisis in the moral leadership of the country. >> coming up, a federal judge just jumped full force into the debate over immigration. why he ordered a plane carrying newly deported asylum seekers back to america. that is next on "morning joe." (ford chime) it's the ford summer sales event and now is the best time to buy. you ready for this, junior? yeah, i think i can handle it. no pressure...
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gene robinson, this is a problem that persists despite all the spotlight, all the media attention over the last couple of months on this child's separation. they still have hundreds of children without their parents at the border. you know, this is a crime. this is really a crime that has taken place, call it kidnapping, call it whatever you want. but it is beyond outrageous that children remain separated from their parents and that the government knows where apparently nearly 300 parents are and has spoken with them but has no plan to reunite the children with their parents. how can that be? how can that possibly be? and i believe, i hope since this administration wants to behave in this way, i hope other judges, perhaps the judge in san diego who is in charge of that
case, acts the way judge sullivan did and says, wait a minute, we have laws in this country. and those laws are going to be enforced and i'm going to start holding people in criminal contempt of court, which is where they are. that's -- i mean, that's the situation now. this is just outrageous. >> and i guess case by case, there's legal recourse when we know of a case, susan. but to put this in pretty plain terms, it appears our government has gone rogue with hundred hads of children, kidnapped them, is currently abusing them, and in this case, decided to deport one and remove the child in the middle of a hearing. it doesn't feel -- this doesn't feel normal and this feels illegal and definitely un-american. >> it absolutely is, mika.
and on.t top of that, we see th this administration was not even close to being prepared for what they want to do which is why we're in this disaster that we have. i wish that the first lady would take her parents and her new -- her parents are newly citizens down to the border and see what's happening to those children. that's something that maybe they could relate to seeing how hard it is and the struggle that people have coming into this country. a lot of this were peeg to come in legally. this is not how we treat people anywhere, nonetheless at our border. >> just incredible. >> the trump administration wasn't close to being prepared for the ramifications of this policy. they were warned about it by hhs officials saying it would have a devastating effect on children and we've seen now that they're so desperate to try to clean things up that they've now told
the aclu, hey, you guys be in charge of it. you handle it. but i will say yesterday is another good example of how the aclu has stepped up in this disaster and has done remarkable work and continue to do remarkable work day in and day out, not for the benefit of liberals, but for the benefit of children and for the benefit of america's reputation across the globe. >> yeah. i think it's worth saying toward linking all this together this morning, you've said kind things about two very different american institutions. one is ronald reagan and the other is the aclu. rarely do the twain get linked together and pointed out as working in alliance. but that is what the country at its best -- and this may sound sentimental, but the hell with
it because it's actually true. the country at its best is this combination of forces that may or may not like each other, that may or may not work together in the morning, but had will in the afternoon. that's the nature of compromise. the aclu grew out of the red scare of the 19 teens. we just heard that this isn't america. unfortunately, this is america. we shouldn't blink. we shouldn't shy away from the darker aspects of our past, whether it's fighting a civil war over slavery or woodrow wilson resegregating the federal government and sushing civil liberties during the first world war all the way through fdr and zap niece internment. coming up on "morning joe," we'll switch gears to rush ssiad what could be a new round of sanctions against the kremlin. but will it change russia's ways?
russia's prime minister has warned the u.s. that the sanctions it plans to impose on russia following the poisoning of a former russian spy in britain this year could be treated as a declaration of war. secretary of state mike pompeo has signed off on a determination that russia violated international law by poisoning sergei skripal and his daughter back in march. the new sanctions could cut off hundreds of millions of dollars in future exports to russia. a second more painful round of sanctions could kick in three months later unless russia provides reliable assurances it won't use chemical weapons in the future and agrees to on-site inspections by the united nations. those are conditions unlikely to be met. the kremlin has strongly denied involved in the attack despite the evidence. joining us now, john glazer and
former dod official, former executive director of the grand tall end wmd janet farkas. good morning to you both. john, i'm interested in your take on this. you see chance sanctio you say sanctions have a poor track record in terms of the target state. flush that out a little bit. >> the academic literature is pretty clear on this. although washington has a past time in washington to levy sanctions on countries that we disagree with, the history of them shows that they don't tend to actually change the behavior of the target state. and that's especially true when they seem to be punitive as opposed to tied to clear concrete policy goals that we want the target state to reach in order for sanctions to be lifted. sanctions are supposed to be about incentives.
and when they seem to be -- today, these days, more about domestic politics in the united states instead of changing russian behavior, they're very likely not to work at all. >> so not effective just as punitive tools, perhaps, evelyn. in your experience, though, how important a part of the package are they with diplomacy? >> i think sanctions are incredibly important. we've seen them work in the case of iran. we got the nuclear deal with iran because we put pressure on them with sanctions. what's important to ♪ is the sanctions alone are not enough. you have to implement them. so in another example on north korea, we've had sanctions for decades. back when i was working on sanctions on north korea on the hill, once we started implementing those sanctions more aggressive areally with, even under the trump administration, you saw an incentive for the north koreans
to go back to the negotiating table. we have older examples, south africa during the apartheid period, there were sanctions put on south africa, bands on investment and divestment occurred. that does have an impact on south african society and on the government. so i think if the sanctions are implemented properly, they can have an effect. in the case of russia, what we see now that we're building deeper and more biting sanctions on russia. >> but, hely, juevelyn, when yot our policy right now under this administration of america alone, the fact that we can't get other countries with us to stand behind some of these sanctions, does it make us a little weaker in what we're trying to do? because we don't get to come in with our allies. >> well, so, susan, that's an excellent point. that's part of the implementation. you need to have as much as possible, a global group of actors. so with the u.n. umbrella implementing the sanctions. and that's exactly why in the case of iran it worked. because we had sanctions on iran
before even prior to the obama administration. but president obama deployed his team and these were countries that were floating under the radar in terms of implementing sanctions on iran prior to the obama administration pushback shutdown, if you will. so i think it is really important to work in concert with our allies and other countries that are not necessarily part of an alliance with us strictly speaking. >> so, john, as you know, the president of the united states has said nobody has been tougher on russia. that's his rebuttal to the argument that his campaign was in bed with russia during the campaign. he says as president no one has been tougher. he will use these new round of sanctions as ammunition for that argument. let's set the record straight. how tough has this at administration been on russia? >> there's been contradictory signals. on the one hand, president
trump's rhetoric is obsequious towards president putin and he's been talking about bringing them back into the g-7 or g8. he's been very light on harsh criticisms in terms of russia's actions in ukraine and so on. but in terms of policy, i don't see that we've changed very much from the obama years except to make it slightly harsher. so last year, he we invited the 29th member of nato, montenegro into the western alliance and that clearly is opposed to russian interests. we might be doing the same thing with macedonia as the 30th member. so nato expansion is clearly something that issurks putin. we've been engaging in military exercises in the baltics, in the black sea, we've reaffirmed the
commitment to nato. we've bombed the russian ally, the assad regime in syria twice. so, yeah, we are sanctioning them and we're continuing to have kind of hard line policy towards them in both the middle east and europe. and so i'm not quite sure that trump is being weak except for his rhetoric. the policy seems to be pretty hard line. >> i want to get you both in on another major story from overseas that involves the united states. the united nations secretary general is calling for an investigation into a saudi led coalition air strike in yemen that killed dozens of people yesterday, many of them children and supported by the united states. nbc news correspondent matt bradley has details and a warning that many of the images here are graphic. >> the images disturbing ander heartbreaking. children pouring into a hospital, most of them under 10 years old still wearing their backpacks and school uniforms, covered in blood. after their school bus was hit
by a bomb, a crater, at the site of the air strike, the smoke from the blast visible from miles away. at least 29 children returning from a school picnic among the dozens killed. aid groups demanding an investigation. >> children shouldn't be collateral damage. >> this little boy covered in soot and surrounded by the dead just minutes after the strike was asked if he was okay. my legs hurt, he said. saudi arabia and the united arab emirates have been bombing yemen for more than three years, helped by intelligence, advice and equipment from the u.s. they're trying to fight off rebels backed by iran. saudi arabia and the uae said this attack was justified. the u.s. said it had nothing to do with it. but as the war goes on, the consequences have been devastating. more than 10,000 people dead, mostly civilians. but it's the children, half of yemen's population, who bear the brunt of this war.
matt bradley, nbc news. >> so evelyn, as we look at those pictures, i want to read to you a tweet from united states senator chris murphy, the democrat from connecticut. he wrote yesterday after seeing this report, u.s. bombs, u.s. targeting, u.s. midair support, and we just bombed a school bus. he goes on to say we need to end this now. how involved is the united states here in yemen and how much responsibility should it hold? >> willie, i think first of all, excellent reporting. and the only thing i would add is that there's increasing starvation so that 18 million people don't have access to food and cholera. so the situation in yemen is very bad. it's been getting worse. we've been supporting them behind the scenes. we need to actually put -- use our pressure on the saudi government in the first instance, but uae and make sure that they bring this to an end. this is a war that doesn't need to be fought. and congress is increasingly asserting itself and, of course, you can imagine if we have a change after midterms, they'll
be even more assertive. but there are laws on the books with regard to u.s. support to countries that are engaged in this warfare. if they are blatantly sdarding human rights, basically, with inability to differentiate between military targets and civilians, then we should not be giving them military assistance. >> you know, john, these are the sort of wars that donald trump promised to get the united states out of. he certainly has been threatening to remove the two, three, four thousand troops that are in syria right now. but this isn't even the first tragedy with the united states military's fingerprints on it in yemen. i mean, listen, if you're engaged in a war, then even the best intentions go awry at times and mistakes happen and the consequences are tragic. i guess the question is, how much longer is the united states going to be in a position where
these mistakes can happen in yemen and this suffering continues in yemen? >> let's be clear about this. the united states involvement in the saudi war in yemen has been shameful since the beginning. there are mounting credible claims of saudi war crimes in yemen and they have u.s. support. we've been helping saudi with refueling of planes, logistic support, intelligence communication, we're even on the ground and coordinating with them. there was a report from the associated press the other day that the saudis are cutting deals with al qaeda militants in yemen and we are some sort of cooperating, the pentagon is cooperating, coordinating, holding off drone strikes and air strikes against al qaeda militants so saudi militants can scurry them out of there. this is rotten. the war crimes in yemen is now the blood is on our hands as well as saudi hands.
our involvement should stop now. it's against our security interests. it's against our moral interests. >> all right. john and evelyn, thank you both for being with us. coming up next, nancy pelosi is endured as democratic leader, but now she's battling members in her own party on her left and on her right and it's unclear if she'll win back the gavel if democrats win back the house. we're going to have new original reporting on that on "morning joe." it's kind of like playing your own version of best ball. because here, you can choose any car in the aisle, even if it's a better car class than the one you reserved. so no matter what, you're guaranteed to have a perfect drive. [laughter] (vo) go national. go like a pro. see what i did there?
>> against the turkish lira right now, hitting an record all-time low. 20% lower, week to date, and down 35% this year. the bonds in turkey have sold off as well, pushing the yield above 20% on the 10-year, compared to 3% on the u.s. 10-year. this came as president erdogan told his citizens that do, in fact, have euros, gold and dollars, to change them into turkish lira as part of the, quote, national struggle against those who have declared economic war on them. of course, he's referring to the u.s., who imposed sanctions, following the decision not to release the american pastor. this has weighed heavily on european markets. the german dax, the french cac, close to 2% down this morning. weighing on sentiment in the u.s. the dow down over 100 points in the premarket. expecting about 0.5% of declines when markets open.
though that does come with the s&p 500 still only 0.5% away from its record all-time high made in january. >> all right, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. now, on to house minority leader nancy pelosi. she's of course one of the longest serving leaders in the history of congress. if democrats win back control of congress this year, nancy pelosi would become the first person to claim the speaker's gavel after losing it, since legendary sam ray burn in 1955. but pelosi's place within her caucus right now is anything but secure. as "morning joe" and nbc's ali vitali reports. >> if hillary clinton had won, i might have gone home. >> reporter: after nearly 16 years as leader, nancy pelosi is still the most powerful woman in washington. >> with donald trump in the white house, no way. >> reporter: it's what's next that remains to be seen. the year that female house
candidates have smashed the record for major party nominations could also be the year that pelosi gets pushed out of party leadership. >> i won't be voting for pelosi. >> i won't vote for nancy pelosi. >> i won't vote for pelosi. >> reporter: the candidate uprising is partly fueled by anti-establish energy on her left. >> i want to see new options. i want to see what we have. >> reporter: but mainly by democrats on her right, including top recruits facing attacks in typically republican districts. >> it's all a big lie. >> reporter: lamb successfully distanced himself in his election win. unlike georgia. democrats need to pick up 23 seats to control congress in 2018. an nbc news canvass of candidates and their statements found at least 41 nominees openly oppose pelosi. another 34 said they're neither for, nor against her. from competitive races to long shots, a mounting number skeptical of another term with pelosi at the helm. but it still pays to have her on
your side. she has raised more than $87 million this election cycle. with thousands going to candidates who oppose her. >> i love it. >> reporter: despite the calls for -- >> new leadership. >> new leaders. >> new leadership. >> reporter: -- aside from her 2016 challenger, ohio democrat tim ryan -- >> i've not closed the door on it. >> reporter: alternatives have been slow to emerge. last time, 63 members opposed pelosi when the caucus voted behind closed doors. in the housewide roll call, that number went to 4. in a sizable bloc commits to taking their opposition all the way, pelosi would lack votes she needs. for now, she's the one setting the terms of the debate. >> i'm female, i'm progressive, so what's your problem? >> reporter: ali vitali, nbc news, washington. >> all right, thanks so much to ali. you can see more of the candidate's reactions to nancy pelosi and what they're trying to do to get elected by going to nbcnews.com. now, donny, you have been left out of very important discussion
this week that you wanted to jump in on. why don't we end the week talking about your guilty pleasures when it comes to music? >> yes, i'm kind of -- you and i and a lot of people think we're separated at birth, joe. we dress the same. we have the same -- >> no, we don't, no. >> but we both -- abba, i'm an abba guy. it's in my ipod. i'm proud to say it. i'm a proud lover of abba. >> okay. even if you don't really pronounce it the same way their 2 billion other fans do. >> how do you pronounce it? >> abba. abba. >> what did i say? >> if you're an american, you say abba. you go "ubba," but maybe that works in the hamptons for you tonight, donny. >> that's what helps me out there. >> donny's worth $400 million. final thoughts this weekend, going into the weekend, what are your final thoughts about everything you've seen?
pretty extraordinary ronald reagan clips. >> that's really what stood out to me. i was thinking i really need to go back and look at some of his speeches and remind myself how i came to become a republican. and those values are the ones worth fighting for. and we'll be able to continue to do. >> it really is -- the first clip we play of ronald reagan was so moving. but donny, it was that second clip where he talked about the waves of immigrants with every new wave, it gives us new energy and keeps us forever young. ronald reagan's words. >> if we were watching it back then and he spoke that way, you could almost take it for granted, oh, that's usa 101. i really miss usa 101. something that would be so -- you could look at it as, oh, that's a typical speech. you go, wow, where is that man. >> well, i tell you what, it is around, if we look for it.