tactics. this idealist became something else. i m uncomfortable now in this country. joining me is new york times film critic nicholas rapold and thank you for being here. thank you for having me. julian assange is one of these character that is hollywood would create if he didn t exist, right? you love him or you hate him. but in terms of his being fascinating, absolutely. how does he come across in this fill snm. well, i mean, i think the film tries to start out showing him as kind of a hero of like liberating information and then it kind of follows an arc where by the end he s a bit more of a villain, but it shows both sides but definitely i think ends on kind of a more negative side. so you think the end thought, that is the verdict on wikileaks or does it try to do that? i don t know if it s passing a verdict on all of wikileaks but definitely on julian assange it s sort of portraying him a little bit not the hero without any blemishes you might think. on wikil