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Really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said theres no reason for this. people dont realize, you know, the civil war -- >> yeah. >> you think about it, why? people dont ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could that one have not been worked out? >> i understand part of the conversation happened before the tape started to roll. so maybe theres some context. tell us what we missed. >> well, first of all, andrew jackson was a very complicated...