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Michigan and wisconsin i wonder what that tells you about the scope of his investigation? >> i think it tells me a lot about him looking at obstruction of an official proceeding. heres why, the certification of the vote on january six was something people were looking to block but they were looking to block it in a bunch of different ways. so we already know that the department of justice before jack smith came in issued subpoenas to lots of these so-called fake electors, that was one way that w...

And so many people, and unfortunately they turn on this. they cast this as this sort of group and put us in this category. without seeing any joyful -- they dont take the time. what is important that the fundamental -- to really see real humans, real lives. theyre like a scapegoat almost, and its really disconcerting. >> youre not an obstruction, youre very much real and i appreciate the time that both of you have given to us tonight. amber and adam briggle, thank you so much. were back after th...

They cast this as this sort of group and put us in this category. without even seeing actual joyful human beings. they dont take the time. what is at the core of this is a fundamental lack of empathy to really see real humans, real lives. they have created a scapegoat. and it is really disconcerting. >> youre not an obstruction, youre very much real and i appreciate the time that both of you have given to us tonight. amber and adam briggle, thank you so much. were back after this quick break. le...

Week before christmas. and they plan to issue criminal referrals to the justice department, based on the report. if you had to guess who the most likely targets of any referrals, surely trump has to be considered to be among them? >> i think you are absolutely right, mehdi. trumps number one on that list. but i think you can see that there are many of his supporters and aides who will also be named in that. and it wont be just for either perjury or obstruction of congress, and i think were getti...

Three that you named would likely be referred for obstruction of congress, or, not cooperating with lawful subpoenas. people who have information that could help the country and chose not to. donald trump i think is on the hook for impeding an official act. that is a different type of obstruction of congress when he aimed that mob at the capitol. that is up to the committee and ultimately up to the department of justice, but it is reassuring to finally see this legal crescendo taking place again...

Considering criminal referrals for the former president, donald trump, as well as for former white house chief of staff mark meadows, right-wing lawyer john eastman, former justice department official jeffrey clark and trumps former lawyer rudy giuliani. so what does that group of names tell you? >> well, this is inner circle of people who were closest to trump in the run-up to the january 6th events and on january 6th. and they have all refused to cooperate. many of them asserting privileges th...

Impeachable offenses have been committed, no matter what the senate does. we do our responsibility, so i think theres a fair degree of consensus around that, and we will be announcing what form that takes very soon. joining me now, democratic congresswoman eric swalwell, a member of the impeachment committee -- good to see you, you called the potential criminal referrals, quote, reassuring. i wonder if you are concerned about the justice department response? >> i am not. i am also reassured by t...

Entire content case. the doj want all of the documents back. these trump lawyers are effectively saying, we want to certify all the classified documents because we dont know, there might be more documents out there. we dont know -- we have not had cause to be -- custody of the documents in the past two years, its difficult for us to say conclusively and comprehensively that these documents to putin. >> im curious if all this exacerbates trumps legal troubles even further, you know he is under in...

I mean, if the referrals were for matters like obstruction of congress or perjury before congress, then doj looks at it a little differently, because congress is effectively a victim there, and you would treat that the way you would the views of any other victim. but if its just weve done an investigation. heres what we think. doj will say thank you very much. theyll be very interested in the evidence that has been collected by the committee. but as far as their recommendation, doj is going to h...

Revealed about why the committee feels these people have earned a referral. i think its an important move. i would not be surprised if there is some more that gets made. >> jennifer, how do you think the attorney of the department of justice weighed these referrals? >> not really at all, anderson. i mean, if the referrals were for obstruction of congress or perjury before congress, and then doj looks at it differently because congress is effectively a victim there and you would treat that the wa...