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responses specifically. i think you understand we re careful about talking about that. that said, your point is a good one. if you look at the russian play book, they use cyber, offensive cyber to disrupt perhaps infrastructure, railroads, other means of transportation, other kinds of utilities, and to try to shut down an adversary s ability to communicate, so i think we have to be looking for those signs going forward. certainly we would be of a piece of the way they have conducted this hybrid warfare going forward. we have not ruled that out as an option available to mr. putin, and we re mindful of that. how concerned are you about those autonomy talks about the russian areas of ukraine, russian-speaking areas of ukraine, that they for all intents and purposes hold right now. autonomy talks in russia s parliament, that started today, and could be a vote in the next day or two. as a potential pretext for some
quaking in his boots. instead, this is what s happening, and it is beginning to be a low-level, lengthy, disruptive period, what can the u.s. do to get putin to knock it off? you want to do two things. one, you want to strengthen ukraine. economic help. cyber defense. make ukraine a less vulnerable target for putin. as the president hinted at yesterday, think about offensive cyber. you want to basically say, if you re going to play this game, two can do it. just say you did some things going after russia s energy industry. by the way, richard, explain. we always talk about what russia does to us or what they tried to do to us. can you explain just how much damage, because we never talk about it. how much damage the united states of america could do to another country if we did get engaged in cyber warfare. oh, we could do enormous damage. we ve been self-deterred because we re worried about a world where it can be vulnerable. i guess what i m saying is, militarily, people don