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present its case and we dont know also whether the former president might choose to testify in his own defense. i want to start by bringing in cnn senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid who has been all over this story for many, many week, and paula, the indictment is out now. i wonder, what to you as someone following this and every single move and detail, what stands out to you as the most damning information weve gotten? >> its such a strong reminder of how little we know com...

public reporting and witness accounts indicate some individuals and groups engaged in efforts to gather information about the layout of the u.s. capitol as well as the house and senate office buildings in advance of january 6, 2021. theyre talking about tours like the ones referenced by congresswoman sheryl in the days just after the insurrection. it was a shocking allegation in those ensuing days and one that raised some of the earliest questions about premeditation of that brutal att...

Cant be trusted because we have not yet seen the documents. weve seen a lit but not the documents. will the jury ever see them because theyre classified. >> the classification itself is sort of, per se, establishes that this is sensitive information, right? i wouldnt even consider what ric grenell said a truly substantive rebuttal so much as it is casting doubt generally, oh e. well, they should never have been classified in the first place. who the hell are you in the position to make that dete...

To them. hes probably count and political deadlock. your point and charlies point is can you expect from congress and the ethics committee is just down the middle. i think probably they have footage and theyd be crazy of them to come out of the box so strongly if they were employ tee handed and the likely source is one or more people who took it. who were on the tour and that would be hard to refute. >> nicole, and -- >> go ahead, jackie. >> oh e well, that point reminded me of a little anecdote...