the eclipse already started. >> reporter: yes, it did. it's about to start in the western part of the country. give me five, you guys. you were amazing. thank you so much for being with us. and craig, so many families like them, they're going to experience this together in this stadium behind me. 15,000 people have poured into carbondale, illinois, and the local businesses here are ex attic. it is estimated the private sector in carbondale will gain almost $20 million just by the influx of tourists and people all around the world who have come here to witness this astronomical event together. >> all right. we'll come back to you in a moment, as well. my friend and colleague, jeff rossen, is standing by, not far from where we sit here. he's in new york city, on the upper west side. new york city, by the way, expected to get an eclipse of about 70%. but here's the thing, jeff. that doesn't mean that folks should take viewing any less seriously, right? >> reporter: yeah, you can never look at the sun. whether it's 1% or 70% eclipsed.
that is what you want to look for on your glasses. make sure it's there. along with the manufacturer name and cross-reference to make sure it's good. there are counterfeits out therther there. there are people out there trying to rip people off. if you have the glasses and you put them on and it is pitch-black and you say, well, what's going on here, that's exactly what it's supposed to be. pitch-black. because when you look up at the sun, it will block everything else out, except for the sun. so right now i can't see where the camera is, and that's the way it's supposed to be. another tip for you. this is my daughter, skylar, my 11-year-old, skylar. so she came to watch the eclipse with me today. she wears glasses. if you have glassions at home like skylar does, you're supposed to put the solar eclipse glasses over your glasses so you can see it well. how does that feel? >> good. >> reporter: what does the sun look like through those? >> it looks like an orange circle, and i can only see the sun. everything else is black. >> reporter: everything else is black.
except for the sun. that's the way it's supposed to be, craig. so 70% tolltality here in new york. and we have clear-blue skies. we're ready to rock this. >> jeff, really quickly. if i've waited until the last minute, if i don't have the glasses, if there is no one that i can call to borrow a pair of these things, is there anything else i can do? or should i just stay inside? >> reporter: you know, i've seen a lot of these home made things online, ways to make a home made device, and that is well and good if you were to do it perfectly. my personal opinion, and speaking with all the experts, that is dangerous, because if you do one thing wrong, and no one is there to tell you -- unless you have a nasa astronaut or astronomer living with you, i think that's dangerous. you want to watch on msnbc or nbc.com to watch it yourself so you're safe. you need to have these glasses by now. and if you do have them, i want you to check for all of those things because you want to make sure you don't have a counterfeit. >> jeff rossen. we always learn something when
you're on television, sir. >> reporter: watch craig melvin. what other advice do we need? >> thank you. and a big thanks to your daughter, as well. our friend, sam champion, legendary weather man, has decided to drag himself off the beach to come in and enjoy some astronomical history. when you look at the scene there in illinois, we are roughly nine minutes away from totality there. guys like you, how excited do you get? >> we're super psyched. when we show the graphics, and everyone is talking about, oh, it's difficult, you know, to get one of these. but the variables, you don't want to do 9the math. we've got the moon phase, the orbit of the moon, is 27 days. the moon phase to go from new moon to full moon is 29 days. the orbit of the moon wobbles on the sun. so everything has to be perfect. this is so, so incredibly
unique. the variables are great. so when this happens, run. don't walk. run to see it. and we are the only planet in the solar system that has a moon that's capable of the right size and right position to block out the sun fully. and take jupiter, who has like 6 0 minutes. none of them will do what this does on earth. >> especially considering how much larger the sun is than the moon. >> 400 is everything in that number. the sun is 400 times the size of the moon. the moon -- the sun is 400 times farther away than our moon. so when you line them up in just the right way, boom, you get that. and the thing about this is, if you were waiting 1 billion years from now, we wouldn't even get this. because the moon is actually drifting away from the earth in its orbit. slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly. so about a billion -- and then the numbers are -- may vary, anywhere from 500 million to a
million years from now. >> we're watching this live shot courtesy of nasa. it would seem as if during the course of our conversation over the last 90 seconds or so, it would seem as if we're almost at totality. >> yeah. >> is that what we're looking at here? >> that's exactly what you're looking at. so it's going to look like -- and don't worry, east coast and middle of the country. your time is coming. remember, this shadow starts on the west coast and then races across the country. so when you're seeing these things on tv and you're looking out the window and you don't see this, you will. if you're in the path of totality. this is exactly what you'll see. that shadow blocking the sun's light until it looks almost like a sliver of the moon. and then you'll get that full coverage. and exactly what that young man said in your live shot was so brilliant. because in that full coverage of totality, there are two very special things that go on. bailey's beads, because the shape of the edge of the moon is very rocky. there's mountains, cliffs, craters, all this wild stuff. so when the moon pulls in front of the sun, you'll see these
coming around the rocky, crater stuff, and little beads of light around this ring. and then there is just going to be one and they call that the diamond ring phase. and it is so beautifully special to see. so, you know, watch it on tv, if you're not in the totality. because this is going to be a crazy, wonderful thing. >> left side of the screen is where this total eclipse is set to start, roughly six minutes from now. ride sight of your scene, uss yorktown, where this event is set to wrap-up here a couple hours from now. sam, a few moments ago, we saw that orange ring around. was that the corona we saw there? >> the only time you can ever see the corona of the sun is when you've got a total eclipse going on. because the light of the sun makes it too bright to see that dancing glow on the outside of the sun. and this is one of the things that scientists are so excited about, because we can't see it at any other time than total eclipse, this is the one time we get to study it. and there are so many things we don't understand it. like we believe that corona,
that ring, that golden orange ring where the rays are shooting off the edge of the moon's shadow, we believe that's a million degrees or so hotter than the actual sun itself. and we don't know why. so this is a great opportunity to study the gases, what we know that comes off the sun that interrupts our radio and tv frequencies periodically. we get to study that now. >> let's get back to jacob soboroff standing by in oregon. we are roughly five minutes away from totality. jacob, how has this scene changed there in oregon, sir? >> reporter: well, it's darker, for one. it's certainly less and less light as the time goes on. this is really cool. so this is a whole family and group of friends. this gentleman brought this amazing telescope. when you look through this, we basically see what you're looking at from nasa that we have got up close and personal. this is a tiny sliver of the sun. five minutes left, they're telling me. what you were telling me just now, when this ultimately happens, we're going to see a
massive shadow come 2,000 miles an hour from that way, which is the west. >> that's the west, yeah. >> reporter: towards us here in the east. >> jefferson is going to go dark before it gets to total here. >> reporter: so, craig, if we are together and connect at the right time, we're actually going to see 2,000-mile-an-hour shadow, which is the speed at which this total eclipse of the sun is progressing across the united states. throw this place into darkness in a matter of moments. i'm going to quickly check out the sun one more time with my special glasses here. this is probably the dorkiest thing anybody can do on national television. it's getting smaller and smaller. you guys are all here together as a group. one thing, craig, i learned, show me the eye patches. what's that about? >> so if you want to acclimate your eye to totality, if you keep this one dark, so when it's totally dark, then you don't have to waste time having your eye get used to being in total darkness. >> reporter: so four minutes from now, craig, it will go into total darkness here.
and that patch, i guess, is critical to becoming acclimated. what i'm told by these guys, you're going to be able to look up at the sky and see stars as if it was nighttime. and, again, 360 degrees all around us, it will look as though it's dusk, as though the sun is setting for only about two minutes and then slowly go back into a partial eclipse again. only a matter of minutes now. only a matter of seconds, i guess i could say. >> jacob, i want to come back to you in 90 seconds. don't go far. i want to bring in gadi schwartz, in casper, wyoming. gadi, safe to assume, it's also gotten darker there, as well? >> reporter: yeah, starting to get a little bit darker and definitely the sun is almost covered up. the only way to really experience this is this first-class kind of lying down. and then you've got a hill over here. we're in casper, wyoming. this is my friend, maria. i'm just going to join you on the hill, here. just going to lean back, and tell me what you're seeing, maria.
>> i'm seeing a huge sliver. and it almost looks like if it was white, it could be the moon. but it is the sun, so it's orange. and the black is coming in. >> reporter: it looks like it's the opposite, sun and moon. >> exactly. >> reporter: when was the last time you saw an eclipse? >> it was in the '60s, but it was a -- a partial. it was a pretty good one. and -- >> reporter: you still remember it? >> oh, yes. >> reporter: vivid? >> we were in the military, and we were in a military quarters. and i looked up, had no idea what was going on. suddenly, it got dark. i said, what's going on? and then once it was over, the roosters started crowing. >> reporter: the roosters. they thought it was morning. >> morning. >> reporter: wow. yeah. definitely something completely unforgettable. and you see out here, there's a lot of people all along this hill, and then you've got people all along the ridge right now.
this is what it looks like in casper, wyoming. this is a place that basically doubled in size, the population doubled in size over at the airport, planes landing to see this. so we're going to go ahead and keep an eye on it, craig. back to you. >> we'll come back to you in a bit. gadi in wyoming. let's go back to illinois again. we are roughly 60 seconds away now, by my count, sam champion. >> here we go, craig. >> my kw > >> my goodness. >> reporter: it's pretty incredible. you can hear the crowd starting to cheer. the sky is definitely darkening. everyone looking up at the sun being covered up by the moon. the air temperature is getting colder. let's take a look at the crowd right now. it's -- it's an extraordinary thing to behold. and physically, it is getting colder. by the second. they say a 60-second countdown. people are out here cheering.
and if you look with the special glasses and through -- here we go. here it comes -- >> look! >> reporter: here comes the shadow. >> woo! >> reporter: reminder, it is 10:19 in the morning here in oregon. >> and we have it. >> reporter: but it feels as though we are getting into the late hours of the evening. the sky is going dark. >> my goodness. that is what totality looks like. >> reporter: we are now in a virtual -- total eclipse. of the sun. >> reporter: i've got to be honored, craig. i have the chills. this is the moment where you can take your glasses off. take a look at the sun in the sky completely obscured by the
moon. it is an absolutely beautiful thing to see. you have waited a lifetime to see this. how do you feel right now? >> planning for two years. and it's finally found a place. and the smoke was in this morning, i thought it was going to be completely covered up and there it is. i've never seen it before. it's spectacular. i'm going to watch now. >> reporter: okay, go ahead. craig, i think a lot of people feel that way. i've certainly never seen anything like it. it looks like a giant starburst, which i suppose in scientific terms is exactly what it is behind the moon. it's amazing. >> reporter: from this vantage point. and, again, my vantage point certainly nothing compared to yours, but from this vantage point, fat out amazing, sam champion. >> this is one of the few times you'll feel like you're not on planet earth. because during the middle of the day, we don't get sunset. we don't get darkness. and on an eclipse, you do. so it's this awe-inspiring feeling, craig, when you're standing there and all of a sudden the sky goes dark, the
birds get quiet. you start to see the stars and some planets you don't normally get a chance to see with the naked eye. because the sun and the bright skies will keep you from seeing them. you'll be able to see pluto, mercury is also a visible today. now what you're looking at from nasa -- one of the things when we flip shots and you see the nasa emblem right there, you're going to see nasa telescope, but also going to see the wing of a plane. nasa and a lot of scientists are flying along the path of totality. so they can get a nice, long look. because if they were on the ground, they would only get that two-minute, 2:40 look. in a plane, they'll be able to race along that shadow and they'll be able to show us a little bit more and they'll be able to see more. so right now every time we show you from now on for the rest of the time of this eclipse, the shots will look different. >> jacob, are you seeing stars and planets. >> reporter: just real quick, a couple things we're seeing right now. you were saying the bailey's beads. describe what they are. essentially, what i was told before -- coming out of total
eclipse right now. the bailey's beads, i'm going to put my glasses back on as the sun comes back from behind the moon. but the bailey's beads were the reflection, the sun coming off the surface of the moon. we're also seeing planets venus, many, many stars, as if it was the dark of night, craig. and now we are slowly but surely seeing the sun again emerge from behind the moon. i say slowly, but, again, 2,000 miles an hour is how fast this path of totality is, crossing the united states of america right now. >> jacob, it would seem as if the crowd that's gathered there, not disappointed at all in this celestial spectacle. >> reporter: no, let me ask this gentleman right here. sir, did this meet, exceed or disappoint you, your expectations? >> no, couldn't prepare for it. it's unlike anything i've ever experienced. >> reporter: it's incredible, isn't it? >> yeah. >> reporter: there is no
objective journalism in watching a total eclipse of the sun, craig. it's really one of the coolest things i've ever seen. and it just -- it feels -- truly amazing. and something in a time when, you know, all the other stuff we talk about in and out, day in and day out, on our network and, you know, just amongst our friends, this is something that really is bringing everybody together in this country and it's a privilege to be a part of it. >> yeah, it is. it is, jacob soboroff. thank you, my friend. i want to come back and maybe spend some time with that woman in the purple. for her, it really did look like it was pretty close to a religious experience. left side of the screen, again, that is madres, oregon. four minutes ago. we saw totality there. and, again, this thing is going to be moving east. we are going to -- we're going to be moving east, following it, as it moves east. on the right side of your screen, by the way, that's night vision in madres, oregon. you see folks who are still
looking up, those who are not looking up, don't have their glasses on. so we like to see that. we like to see folks appearing to take the necessary precautions. gordon petri, solar scientist, with the national solar observatory in boulder, colorado. he watched the eclipse from salem, oregon. he comes to us now by phone. and gordon, we keep hearing that an event like this is a bonanza for the scientific community. why is that? >> the reason is, it's the best to observe the lower parts of the solar atmosphere to show the most active and dangerous parts. so this gives us a unique look into the flares of the solar atmosphere that you can't quite engineer with telescopes yet. >> the eclipse, as you saw it there in salem, describe it for us.
>> well, it was a beautifully symmetric structure. you saw regions which were dark and then gorgeous streamers coming out the sides. two on one side, and one on the other. so it looked a bit triangular in appearance. the tails whiisping off into th wind. >> you'll have to excuse me, i'm a bit taken aback. >> it will do it, right? >> i wasn't expecting that. i had seen video, but it's -- experiencing it live, it's -- it's pretty impressive. >> and it's even cooler when you're standing outside. because, you know, the wind will die down a little bit. the temperature will drop about ten degrees, at least ten degrees. so you get all of your senses going for this experience when you're standing in that path of totality. you know, it's a visual -- you'll feel it on your skin when the temperature changes. you hear the crowd go crazy. because they're looking at it at
the same time you are. and then this will repeat for the next, you know, couple of hours in communities all across america, it will look exactly like that. >> everyone in the path of totality is going to get the show we just saw. >> but remember, even if you're not in that path, america will get a partial eclipse. so if you're on either side of the dark line we show you on the map, there is still every reason to be excited because you'll see at least what looks like that, and a lot of places in america will see that crescent. and when the sun is a crescent, it's a totally different thing from the moon. it's just this gorgeous, orange glow. >> that rare coast to coast march is under way across this country right now. and there are a lot of folks who are very, very excited. do i still have jacob soboroff? is he still hanging out there in oregon? >> reporter: as i said, it's an emotional experience. >> jacob, are you with me? >> reporter: are you there, craig? >> i am. i just heard you talking about an emotional experience.
>> reporter: yeah. i was talking to miguel almaguer. come here. my fellow correspondent here from nbc news, and i were just talking about what it is like to actually cover this thing. i said to miguel, it was an emotional experience. and he said i almost cried. >> reporter: it was undescribable. and for people in our profession who are supposed to describe what's happening to other people, it was really, really difficult to do. i mean, people told us it was going to be moving, it was spiritual, it will make you cry. i thought, i've heard that before. experienced this before. but that, jacob, truly was surreal. >> reporter: i've never seen anything like it. and, of course, this is like a once in a lifetime experience for people that live in the united states for at least for this thing to go all the way across the country. the -- it was almost like the air was sucked out of this entire place. >> reporter: the temperature dropped, the excitement level went up. people started to clap, people started to cheer. you looked into the sky and see just that sliver of sun and then when we dipped into that totality, it was a surreal experience. i mean, there's really no dollar
amount you could put on an experience like that. i mean, it was moving. >> reporter: yeah. i had been saying for the last couple days, this is like the coachella for nerds. people are out here camping, there's 100,000 people out here. but i -- i feel like i've been welcomed into the community of nerds out here. >> reporter: absolutely. it's been a great experience. since we first arrived here, people have been saying come on in, sharing food, sharing their experiences. and now we all got to share this together, which makes it so much better. >> reporter: yeah. there are a few things that are cool enough you want to interview your colleague about, but craig, this is one of them. i'll send it back to you. >> and here's the thing. miguel almaguer spends a great deal of time crisscrossing this country, covering wildfires and all sorts of other things that might make one emotional. so for him to say that this almost moved him to tears, that's saying a lot. i've known miguel for a number of years. so he doesn't get moved too easily. >> reporter: there's no doubt about it. he said you cover just about everything, so for you to be moved -- >> reporter: it was moving. >> jacob, the folks who were
gathered there in that field, what will they all do now? >> reporter: yeah, that's a good question. i think they've got to get out of here by the end of the day, because this is somebody's private property. but for now, for another hour and a half, if i can check out -- yeah. we have about another hour and a half of partial eclipse to stand here and watch. so frankly, i'm not going anywhere. i don't think any of these people are going anywhere, either, craig. >> we're going to go somewhere right now, though. we'll come back to you in a bit. my regards to miguel, as well. jolene kent covers business for nbc news, msnbc, all of the p peacock properties. what we're going to see in carbondale, columbia, nashville, a lot of these communities are going to see quite the infusion of money over the next day or so, i would imagine. no? >> reporter: yeah, definitely. you've got hotel rooms going for five, ten, twenty times the price. what i want to point out, this
is the west coast, known for having the most solar panels. so what happens when the moon blocks the sun to all of that solar energy that's created? well, it actually takes a huge hit. and according to the california folks who govern solar energy, they're saying they're going to see a 6 gigawatt hit on solar energy. so this affects 6 million families. and you end up having to pump up your wind energy. use that stored up hydropower. in order to make sure those homes don't experience blackouts. and all of that is going to happen all the way across the country, all the way to north carolina. duke energy saying the exact same thing. but this is a really interesting thing too, for companies, because we're seeing 7$700 million lost in productivity because we're watching the eclipse, putting on glasses, stepping outside, and that's at least $700 million in productivity loss. >> like march madness times a few. >> yeah. >> this is casper, wyoming. this is the next point of
totality. we're told. and sam, this is not a scene that's going to get old this afternoon, man. >> no, because remember, it is different than seeing it on camera. i'm getting people on twitter who said, hey, we just decided to watch with you guys, because it's so much fun. but if you're in that path of totality, being outside for it is kind of an incredible experience and it will not get old. getting to the solar power thing, when you think about 1% of the country that gets their power from solar power, this is an interesting experiment, a day of scientific experiments. and this is a very interesting experience, because california, while the country may be at 1%, california is about 30 to 50%. >> that's right. >> so we'll see how they ramp up and how they change and how successful it is when you lose the sun in the middle of your power up day. >> and we have never seen this issue before since 1979. this wasn't -- we didn't have this type of solar energy generation. >> sam, the northwest, i heard earlier this week, a lot of folks traveled out to that part of the country because historically, the skies are
clearer in places like wyoming and places like oregon, in places like idaho. is that the case? >> it certainly is for this time of year and it has been true this year. we have had a lot of dry air into the northwest for this summer. it's been brutally hot and very, very clear and dry. so the only little fly in the ointment with this, and i talked to a lot of people today on twitter. on the coast of oregon and california, there was some coastal fog that didn't want to burn off. once you got away from the coast, you got a pretty good shot. and the west coast has some of the best weather. the west and the inner mountain west has some of the best weather and clear skies to be able to see what we all want to see. that beautiful, perfect moon with nothing in its way. there will be some clouds, once you get into the middle of the country. and also on the east coast there will be some low clouds. but don't be discouraged. still being under clouds in an eclipse is an incredible thing. you're going to see that light change. and you maybe even -- with your solar glasses, may be able to look up through the thin clouds
and watch that shape even through the thin clouds. so even though it's a little cloudy where you are, if you're in the path of totality, don't break down yet. stay where you are. >> when history happens here at nbc news, we like to turn to the man in the building who has covered more history, arguably, than anybody else here in 30 rock. tom brokaw joining me now on the phone from bozeman, montana, where, tom, as i understand it, the eclipse is passing over as we speak? >> reporter: well, i must say that i'm on my own piece of rock. i'm on a mountaintop in the range about 7,000 feet. and in the last 20 minutes or so, we have been watching the moon move across the sun. it suddenly got much cooler. but the light has not changed that dramatically. it's now late afternoon light here. i'm looking down across a lot of cattle. they're not doing anything dramatically different. we had thought that maybe it
would affect some animal behavior. there was a bear spotted earlier. but by and large, i'm looking out on this magnificent scene in what was once a hunting ground. so i can only imagine what it was like here 200 years ago. so the crow when they're out on a hunt and suddenly lost their sense. that's what we're experiencing here, and it's quite mystical. almost like being at the birth of time. and it's kind of reassuring, as well, that nature is totally in charge and we're all united by the idea of this eclipse of the sun. maybe we can hope it all pulls together politically. >> wouldn't that be nice. tom, 79, roughly 38 years ago, you were our man that night, guiding us through coverage. how does this event compare to the last total eclipse nearly four decades ago? >> reporter: well, i think that there's just much more awareness
of it. and that has a lot to do with social media. it's 24/7 now, where you are, or on cable on social media. people are much more in touch with each other. so any unexpected or dramatic event like this one is, which is out of the usual, there is a much larger crowd. and everybody focuses on one thing. we're moving from one dramatic moment in history to anotherful because you can't escape it. and it's something kind of reassuring about that. i was thinking about youngsters now, and science glasses, for example. they'll learn a lot about how the universe works, and how nature really is in charge. the rest of us can do what we think is best for the country. or best for the world. but nature at the end of the day is really in charge. >> amen to that. tom brokaw, bozeman, montana. mr. brokaw, we always enjoy having your insight and perspective, sir.
thank you. i'll let you get back to the show in the sky. >> reporter: well, thank you very much. it's wonderful to be able to spend two hours sitting up here on a mountain top with nothing else to worry about except when i'm going to get out of here. so good luck. we'll be watching through the day. >> tom brokaw, special correspondent, long-time anchor of "nbc nightly news," and still very much the guiding force here at the peacock, as well. tom costello, standing by there in god's country. some call it south carolina. this will be the last spot that the eclipse will pass through here. in an hour and some change. he is in south carolina. charleston harbor. what's happening there, mr. costello, as this thing nears? >> reporter: first of all, this is your hometown, right? so i know why you call it god's country. it is beautiful. behind me, you've got the harbor. look at all of the boats out here, getting ready to watch the eclipse. and i'm going ask george to pan up to the sky. we've got a problem here.
we've got a lot of cloud cover. however, we are seeing, if you can just peek through the clouds, you do see now maybe about a quarter or so, maybe a third of the sun is starting to be eaten away ever so slightly by the moon. so it certainly is spectacular, and we're watching it very closely. they say totality here will happen at about 2:46 p.m. eastern time. this is where we are. we're on the "uss yorktown," right here in charleston, harbor. al, come here. i need an update live on msnbc >> yes, sir. >> reporter: is the cloud cover going to hear? >> we're hoping. in fact, in the last five minutes, it has become much -- a little clearer. >> reporter: it is better, isn't it? >> it was much more obscured about ten minutes ago. >> reporter: it looks pretty good. we're getting there, slowly, slowly getting there. listen, as you know, craig, this is the landmark here in charleston harbor with "uss
yorktown." we're actually on mt. pleasant. >> that's right. three rivers coming together. and then the charleston harbor and raf necessarily bridge. >> reporter: a terrific day, everybody excited. >> it's a little hot. i brought you a cooling towel. >> reporter: do you have a margarita, by chance? >> okay. that's after totality. look who else is here? we've got stephanie ruhle. >> reporter: stephanie ruhle is here. quickly, quickly, quickly! so i'm the only one wearing the microphone. so what do you think? it's starting to peek through right now. >> i'm tempted to look up. it's starting to peek through. i brought my home made -- >> it's a little cloudy. >> we're sending it back to craig. >> very exciting, craig. >> we're going to come back to you guys in a moment. but for our viewers at home, and maybe even our listeners, as well, if you're driving along,
let me describe this for you. or attempt to describe it, although i would tell you that adjectives are actually kind of hard to come by. this is jackson hole, wyoming. this is the scene there. dylan dreyer, we expect to be approaching, again, totality. >> it's awesome, isn't it? >> it really is. how much are you hating being stuck in the studio right now? >> i love being able to explain the science, but i would love to be outside even more. >> for folks at home right now, describe what we're looking at. describe what we're seeing? >> well, you're starting to see that, you know, the orbit of the moon cross between the sun and the earth. and the coolest thing about it is, we are in just the prime location. if you think about it, the earth is 400 times larger than the moon. but it's also 400 times farther away from earth than the moon is. so it's that equation that creates this perfect lineup in the sky for the moon to completely block out the sun. to the point where you can actually take your glasses off for a second, because there are
no harmful raise coming from the sun because it is totally blocked from the moon. and the best part about watching this total eclipse is that most areas are seeing clear skies. so you can actually look up and witness this event. it's not like it's happening behind, and is obscured by the clouds. except for areas like south carolina, but even there i think we're going to really get those moments where you could luck out and see the clouds part for a second. it's just those popup thunderstorms. so i think most of the country is actually going to see this eclipse. >> as we approach totality there in jackson hole. and, you know, you tell me if this is a question that's a little too nerdy and too in the weeds. this is casper, by the way. why is it moving from west to east? >> it's a little complicated to explain. the best way i can do it is to kind of give you an example. you know you're driving in a car, right? >> yeah. >> you're going at a certain speed? >> yeah. >> a bike rides by you, right? also going at a lesser speed.
so you think of the orbit of the moon versus the orbit around the sun. that the earth is doing. so we're all going the same direction. but if you were to look out your window and look at that bike, wouldn't it look like it's going backwards? so that's why this whole thing, because of the different speeds of the orbits, it's like an optical illusion and looks like it's going backwards. >> good to have all of you meteorologists around orthopedic surgeon days like this. dylan, don't go anywhere. i want to bring sam champion back into the conversation, as well. again, casper, wyoming. they're on mountain time. so roughly 11:41 there in casper, as we approach, once again, totality, sam. >> so this is now we start to get to what will be longer and longer totality, until we get to carbondale, illinois. so what we saw first in oregon where you saw the beautiful ring and the bubbling lights, or the rays shooting out from the ring
and then it condenses to the bailey's beads, because of the crater and mountain shape of the edge of the moon. then as it continues to move, you'll get just one spot that hangs upon. and that's that diamond ring. the great thing about sitting here and watching it again, because some of you were saying, i saw it, why do i need to see it again? really, seriously? we're going to do this across the country. because by the time you get from now to carbondale, you'll get to see those dancing lights around the edge of that shadow, longer. and that's what's exciting about this as we watch across the country. again, something you'll see tomorrow in video, but you'll see it live today. >> i think we just achieved totality. did i just get totality there? no? we're not sure how we lost the camera. >> look like it bumped there. a lot of people are shooting through -- >> we're back.
right now, by the way, folks. casper, wyoming, 11:43 a.m. and this is totality. >> that's it. >> that's why we can look right at it. because all you're seeing is basically the corona, the atmosphere of the sun. coming past the moon. but everything else is safe to look at. >> that's the one moment you can take advantage of dropping those glasses and taking a look at this. when you start to see the rays brighten up, put them right back on because even a sliver can burn the back of your eye. >> i wonder, what are scientists thinking right now when they look at this? what are they learning? >> a lot of it is we've got to understand what that corona is. you know, we know that it's gases. we know that it's super heated. but we really need to understand more of the life of the sun. and we need to understand why the temperature has changed. and we learn a lot. there will be science that comes out of this that explains something else. that won't even be astronomy. remember the theory of
relatively was confirmed because of watching the light bend. there will be science experiments done here that we don't understand the power and importance. >> one of the cool things nasa is going to do, they're going to look to social media and look at all of the photos that people submit so that they can examine the corona of the sun and use that to help with their research and what exactly that all does with electrical storms and what happens in space because of it. >> what are we watching now as totality passes, we go back to the partial eclipse? >> on the other side. >> how long, typically, will that last, the partial eclipse? >> it's going to be -- depending on where you are on the path, it's equal. so as you're standing there looking up at it, as the shadow starts to cover the sun, and then you get your totality, and then the shadow leaves the sun, those things will be fairly equal on either side. and the thing that will change
will be how long you get to witness that total eclipse. >> there's casper, wyoming. >> one thing i would be interested -- i know it's hard to find a place to watch this by yourself. if there was someone in an isolated location, i would like to know just how much the birds stop chirping, how the crickets come out. if all of that depends on dark and day of night. >> tom brokaw. >> he's got a lot of acreage. tom made a good point, too. one of the big differences between now and 1979, the last time we saw something like this in this country, obviously social media didn't exist back in the late 70s, but our vantage point, we saw a shot a few moments ago from a drone. and i would imagine a lot of folks are employing those drones today to capture some of the
images that we're seeing now, some of the images we're probably going to be seeing. >> the left side of your screen, that's what it looks like on the ground in casper, wyoming. and on the right side of your screen, that is what it looks like in the sky. control room, do i have that right? casper wyoming, as well? correct. and we appear to be, again, approaching totality in cat per, wyoming. casper, wyoming. one would assume we also would hear the same thing we heard in oregon, as well. when the sun is completely enveloped by the moon, the people will begin to cheer. it's wild how we can actually watch. >> it's so hard. >> yes.
>> i mean, in just 90 minutes, a shadow is being cast across the entire country. >> it's interesting to hear the comments from people in oregon, what to expect. there were some people who thought it would look like midnight. it's going to look like a dusk or dawn situation. and as dylan said, you've got a 350 sunset. so if u stabbed and look around. there are some very interesting things to see, and people are like, i was disappointed i didn't get to pitch-black. so i want everyone in the middle of the country to understand it's going to be a dusky glow. we have special tefilters on th cameras and lenses here. >> so even the cameras can't rook at the sun. >> right. >> reporter: gadi schwartz is
with us from cat pesper, wyomin. we want to hear from that smart legal nephew ow again in a few moments. he has since been signed to a contract here at msnbc. we look forward to getting his insight and expertise there in casper, wyoming, where, again, this is the next spot, we're told, for totality. and, again, for those of you who are at home right now who might be listening and watching and you shear us continue to use this phrase, dylan dreyer, path of totality, what does that mean? >> it's a cool buzz word, because, i mean, it sums up exactly what's happening. there is a path that goes from oregon to south carolina. and within that path, the sun is totally blocked by the moon. completely -- again, to the point where you can look at the sun, because it is safely blocked by the moon for that minute and a half, two-and-a-half minutes, depending on where you are. so it is the path where totality
happens. >> roughly 12.2 million people, according to the smart folks who scratch such things. even beside the 12.2, living in the path of totality, roughly two-thirds of thirds of the 310 million people who live in the united states of america, two thirds of them live within a days drive of totality. we have seen so many stories about traffic being backed up. >> even if you don't live in or near the path of totality, get out and look. the entire country will see 50% or more totality. even hawaii will see 30% or 40%. >> in carbondale, illinois, it's the longest duration, why is that?
>> it would be the same ever where. but what is so special is all of the variables that have to come together to make it happen. and the shadow is moving across a globe. so it will move fast, and then slow at the high point. >> we can see the scene there in the sky, what is the scene scli on the ground? >> it happened three or four minutes ago, it was insane, they started counting down. and you're expecting an eclipse, but you're not expecting what happens, the sky turns are crazy bluish red color and everyone goes wild, the only way to explain is it through the eyes of a kid. this is my nephew, i am going to ask you some questions, okay. what did you think about the
eclipse? >> breathtaking, speechless? >> that's how we all felt here. that is how we all felt, it is interesting to see what happens to everyone. their looking around, the glasses come off, and once they come off you look around and see you're surrounded by people in the sky. so a very spiritual experience, if you will. >> i don't even know how to describe it. it is almost like this. you know what an earthquake is, right? and then you finally understand it when you feel it. that is the only way to explain an eclipse. you know what the word is. something happens and it all just clicks. it is astounding out there.
>> totality. >> you're be on the snap chat these days. >> just saw it disappear for a little bit. we were running around like chickens with our heads cut off. it is called stay tuned. you can see anything that was going on here in casper, wyoming. we had to duck out, but there was just too much to snap. >> i would imagine this is all of the rage on social media. i'll let you get back to the family, thank ace eacer as well. that was the scene in wyoming. this is englewood cliffs, new jersey. we're about an hour from totality, but right now already you can see -- excuse me, the
partial eclipses in new jersey. we're seeing the sun come over. >> tom brokaw was such a great conversation, he is sitting out there putting it in historic perspective. witnessi witnessing something like this today, there was all of these tales and stories in history about why this was happening. they would say it was a lizard taking a bite from the sun, into northern parts of europe, it was a bear fighting with the sun or taking a bite from the sun. and there were early understandings of the eclipse, the greek astronomers knew very well and had charted exactly when it would happen and it took a lot of understanding and constant watching. we have drawings on rocks in
northern ireland dated at 5,000 years and they believe it is the sun, and the spirals, and the covering. they believe it has gone on for a very long time, and now that we know exactly what is happening, it is great to think that nothing is taking bite from the sun, that life won't be different. you know it will come right back at you, you don't have to fear now the way they did hundreds and thousands of years ago. >> carbondale, illinois. that's what we're looking at right now. a live look right there courtesy of our friends at nasa. that is the scene above the stadium. we're handionging out with 15 thousands of the closest friends. >> they are so amped up and it
is so warm out. it is every 90 degrees. this is the mascot, for people to vent a little, and this is like a college, you see your cheerleaders have come out just in time to say high to you and then there is a cast of star wars. there is a couple people from the movie armageddon, and it's getting more and more exciting. i'm here with a college junior and a senior. how exciting is this for you. >> a lot of visitors. >> dominic, you have swag that i have seen a lot of people carrying, can you show us -- >> it's the map of the solar system, planets and galaxys, we have a nasa sticker.
we have total eclipse manual/guide. >> i see binoculars, yes, nasa binoculars. >> i zoom in like twice zoom, it's cool technology, and then these white shirts from you know from our cool. see if i can get it out. they are shooting shirts out of that thing in a few seconds. >> can we show it for craig melvin. >> there is very fancy. >> let's show it. >> i'm sure our influence companies love this. >>. >> here we go. it's warming up, craig. meanwhile. there we go. michael jackson in the
background and all of this going on. it will be the longest period of total darkness. >> and carbondale is the only city in the country that in 2024, when this happens again on a smaller scale, they will experience totality then as well. >> exactly. that is why they are calling themselves solar eclipse crossroads of america, and they're telling me this is their dress rehearsal for 2024. >> oh, okay. >> thank you so much. carr b carbondale, illinois. the ellipse is set to happen toon. they have the distinction of being the city inside the path of totality. inside the path of totality where it is going to be the longest, they will enjoy a little bit longer than they did
in madras. this is where we started our coverage. one of the first cities in america to experience totality. and we're seeing a good chunk of the sun covered by the moon. >> and look how beautiful. we all talk about totality, that's the most exciting moment. i think hasht partial is pretty as well. if you're in new york city, this is what you're seeing. chicago if we can keep the clouds away from the lakeside away for you long enough, and even places in florida. we have some clouds in central florida that i was watching earlier today, but if you can breakthrough the clouds this partial is what you will get. >> what is that quite bit in the sun this, what do we know about that. >> there are many spots, hot spots and flairs, you heard of solar flairs, there is always
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it. thank you. poll numbers show declining public support for the mueller investigation, some people questioning will the issue carry democrats in the midterms or will the booming economy push republicans across the line? we have the managing editor with "the weekly standard" with us now. kelly, let's look at the numbers. i just told you about the mueller probe, and it seems like that's losing some steam in terms of support from the public. but if you look at some recent report here in terms of the job approval ratings, particularly in the midwest, look at what we've got. in michigan, where president actually won in the general election, 54% disapproval. only 30%-plus approval ratings here in michigan, minnesota, wisconsin. with that said, if the economy is good, if it's solid, is president trump good? is he solid as well? >> i mean, i hesitate to say anything definite right now because who knows what might happen between now and the november midterms. but yeah, the economy is very important.
and when people are thinking about answering these questions about approval rating, often it's affected by what the latest news is and what they've heard. so, when people see donald trump on stage with vladimir putin and really making a disastrous performance, they're going to be rolling their eyes and thinking this president is awful. but you know, months later, they're going to have forgotten about that, and what will they will remember is how they've been doing and how their paycheck looks. and i do think the one major legislative accomplishment of the republicans is the tax cut bill, and people are seeing more money in their paychecks. and with the news of the economy doing very well, we'll see if that carries through the next few months. but yeah, i do think that that is going to have a very big effect on the election. and the democrats really do need to have some positive policy proposals to answer that. >> so, the democrats, you don't think, can carry through on this anti-mueller probe? >> yeah, you know, it's -- the democrats have been sort of
counting on anti-trump sentiment, and that's one reason, you know, the tax cut bill, the republican tax cut bill didn't get a single democratic vote. their view is donald trump is toxic, we don't want to be associated with anything that's seen as a win for him. and it looked like that was a very good strategy, and i've said that was a very good strategy. the problem is that you can only do that for so long. people want to know, okay, you don't like trump. maybe i'm not sure about him, but what do you have to offer me? and you know, people are getting a bit tired of the mueller investigation because we do talk about it a lot. the question is, though, we have no idea what, when it's going to end and what he's going to have. and this is the leakiest washington i've ever seen, but his office has actually been very good at keeping things quiet. and so, he may have something, he may not. we don't know, and we won't know until his investigation's concluded. >> all right. kelly jane torrance, always appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. well, the president is again
denying knowledge of his son's 2016 trump tower meeting, but sources tell cnn the president's former fixer, michael cohen, now says that trump is lying. so, the real question here is whose story could hold up in court? joining us to discuss that is michael moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia. good morning. >> good morning. >> so, on the surface, you know, this information that cnn was able to uncover, it does sound very damning. >> sure. >> but you've got the legal mind, and you're the person, if you were putting yourself in the prosecutor's seat, how damning is it legally? >> it's a bombshell if they can corroborate it, if they can back it up. and my guess is that bob mueller's been working to do that. especially if you've got michael cohen now saying that trump knew about the meeting ahead of time. that's sort of in preparation to collude with russia. so how do we corroborate it? they could do it through phone records, through e-mails, memos that perhaps cohen wrote to a file or that somebody wrote to a file that will show at a contemporaneous moment that this knowledge was documented.
but there's a little bit of a twist that i think's with the testifying about trump coming up with a statement about what the meeting was. it always defied him to say he didn't know what it was, but he was still able to come up with the explanation of what it wasn't. well, what if she didn't tell him? if she didn't tell him what it was when he was aboard air force one and he came up with this reason or false story about the meeting, that meant that he knew what it was ahead of time, that he was already in anticipation of it. and you've got somebody who's a control freak, a micro manager, and it's pretty clear that he does things on his own and thinks he's the smartest man in the room. it denies logic to think he would have let something like this happen or that his children, knowing his personality, would have not gone to him and told him, hey, we've got a meeting with russians, we're fixing to break the story on hillary clinton. and his public speech he gave saying i'm going to lay all this stuff out about hillary clinton in the coming days, that sort of speaks to the fact that he may have had some knowledge. so, all those things work
together to corroborate perhaps -- >> but that's not proof. >> not proof, but they can corroborate circumstantially. you don't have to have trump on a recording saying, hey, i did know about it. but you've got michael cohen saying he knew about it because his son told him. and then you can look at other things to back that up. >> michael cohen, what's going on with him? i mean, as you look at this, does this seem like a person who's either trying to get a pardon or trying to get a deal? which is it? >> you know, i think he probably feels betrayed at this point by trump. i think he probably expected a little more backup from his longtime friend or mentor, and he didn't get it. and i think he's probably realized what a lot of federal defendants realize, and that is, you're looking at going to the penitentiary and you'd better do something to protect yourself and your family. and so, he's clearly willing to come out and sort of send some flares that he's got information. he still hasn't gotten the response he's wanting from the trump team, but it seems clear to me that he's now at least willing and open to talking to
mueller or the prosecutors in the southern district of new york about these cases. >> yeah. well, there's a lot more i'd love to ask you about, but time doesn't allow it. >> we'll do it again. good seeing you. >> we will. thank you. president trump is facing a lawsuit over his hotel, just a few blocks from the white house. and a judge is allowing now that case to proceed. we're going to ask our experts what this could mean for the president. i mean, on the surface -- >> plus, a houston heart doctor is shot and killed while out on a bike ride. why police think now that, yes, he may have been targeted. and two small children and their great grandmother are missing after wildfires ripped through their neighborhood. they destroyed their home. dozens of california communities are being threatened right now by this rapidly growing fire. we didn't think the fire was going to come here, so we didn't really take things out, like everybody else scrambling at the
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15 minutes past the hour right now, and there are two small children and their great grandmother who are missing this morning in north california after their home was destroyed by the raging wildfire there. the carr fire we're talking about. it's in shasta county. it's devoured nearly 50,000 acres already, and there's nothing left of hundreds of homes and businesses. >> cnn's paul vercammen is joining us this morning, and just to look at the background there, paul, gives you a sobering feel of what those fires can do so quickly. good morning. >> reporter: it does, martin and christi. and if you look just behind me, as you pointed out, it came roaring through here. this is in west redding, california. we're a little over 100 miles from the oregon border. and let's give you a sense of what it looked like when the carr fire reared its ugly head in this neighborhood.
flames swirling in high winds and hot temperatures wreaking havoc on the landscape. the amply named carr fire, which officials say was first sparked by a vehicle, has ravaged the region since monday, doubling in size over the course of the week, and it's still growing. deadly and out of control, it has charred some 45,000 acres and dozens of structures as firefighters try to contain it. neighborhoods scorched as smoke and fire climbed through hills fueled by the dried landscape. >> no idea what we're going to do tomorrow. hell, we don't know what we're going to do tonight. >> reporter: dominic galvin and his wife, sylvia, never imagined they'd see their house like this. >> we didn't think the fire was going to come here, so we didn't really take things out. like everybody else that was scrambling at the last minute to get out when we saw the fire on the ridge. >> reporter: officials say more extreme temperatures are in the forecast and will only continue to make this fire all the more worrisome. it is one of several major blazes burning across the state
and one of some 89 across the country. >> this is that new normal, that unpredictability, the large, explosive-growth fires. >> reporter: leaving firefighters working to control the flames and limit the damage as residents race against the clock to evacuate their homes. >> reporter: and we should note that the couple who lived here almost 30 years was able to escape with their lives. martin, christi? >> it's going to be another very difficult day for firefighters. paul vercammen, thank you very much. >> thank you, paul. want to bring in meteorologist allison chinchar. wondering about the conditions for firefighters this morning, because i remember reading earlier this week it was 113 degrees in redding. >> yeah, and the thing is, that's not going to go away any time soon. not only do the residents feel it, but you're right, those firefighters trying to battle the blazes. and it's not just california. you have 13 states with a combined 89 large, active fires that they're trying to contain right now. the ones in california are dealing with incredibly low
containment numbers. the carr fire that we just talked about only 5% contained at this time. ferguson fire not even 30% contained, and the cranston fire is only about 16% containment. so again, you'd like to be able to get those numbers up higher and allow those firefighters to make more sufficient progress. this is an incredible image. again, here you can see the smoke just taking off and the pyro clouds, those ones that get formed from the heat from those fires -- and here's what's interesting about this particular fire here, is that that one, the fire is actually so intense, it's creating its own wind to spread itself. so, the fire is basically creating more fire. and unfortunately, in turn, we are seeing that begin to spread pretty rapidly. now, the fire conditions for carr fire, the temperatures are still expected to remain in triple digits. winds are going to be locally very gusty, which would spread more of that fire. they are still in a moderate drought, and there is absolutely zero rain in the short-term
forecast for this area. we have the red flag warning, as we talked about, that critical fire threat because of those very hot and dry conditions that are there. and speaking of that heat, again, look at all of these locations. you're talking from washington state stretching all the way back to arizona, where you have some of those excessive heat watches and warnings and heat advisories. because for a lot of these locations, that heat, guys, is going to stay in place for at least the next three to five days. >> what a mess. allison chinchar, thank you so much. and we'll keep you posted as the sun comes up and what's happening in california throughout the day, of course. meanwhile, cbs chief les moonves is the latest high-profile boss to be accused of sexual misconduct. details about the allegations, they're just ahead. ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪
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where foreign officials often stay. walter shaub is with us, along with michael moore, former attorney for the middle district of georgia. thank you both for being with us. first and foremost, what, to you, i'm sorry, walter -- what kind of red flags does this lawsuit throw up for the president? >> well, this decision has got to be very concerning to him, because now that the case is going to go forward, it opens the door to the discovery process, which can include depositions, request for production of documents, written interrogatories, meaning they can get into a whole lot of stuff about him. and in fact, the litigants, their attorneys, the two attorney generals from maryland and d.c. and norah misen from responsibility and ethics in washington wrote an op ed this week in "the new york times," and they say they're coming for those documents. >> so, michael, with that said,
is there any chance, supposedly, that, say, this lawsuit could force the president to have to choose between whether he would fully divest from his business interests? >> it may not really become a choice for him. and here's why. i think walter's right, the danger for him coming forward is the fact that now his tax records are fair game in another matter. i've said for a long time, and i think that bob mueller has the tax records and is looking at them as far as the russia case goes. we now know that the southern district of new york is looking at one of the trump longtime employees there, the cfo, maybe, of the trump organization, even back to the time that trump's father was running it. and this is going to become an instance of following the money in that case. and now we're talking about having the documents here. so, these documents, as the tax records come out, as more details of money moving in and out of the trump organization come out, this may be sort of the straw that broke the camel's back. we've had a lot of straws, but
this may be like the bale of hay that you're dropping on the camel's back that, in fact, brings this thing to a head. so, he may not have the choice about making that decision. that might be made either through the report that's made by mueller to congress, because of documents that are now coming out in parallel cases. >> but michael, that doesn't necessarily mean the documents would be made public, so we don't know what the political implications could be. >> we don't know. and this is what's happening. we've seen it both with giuliani in statements that he's made even about cohen. we've seen it in statements that other trump administration people have made in public. they're trying to balance the tight rope between the court of public opinion and what they can say and what happens and the evidence that comes out in a court of law. those things are not always compatible. and so, documents that may come out in one side may not be important in another, and vice versa. so, it doesn't always mean the documents come out, but it may mean they're available for other people to use in other matters. >> all righty. historically, walter, when you
look at this, what are political implications for the president? >> yeah, well, obviously, he's concerned because he hasn't released his tax returns. so, i think that alone has been him signaling to us that there's information he doesn't want the american public to know. and now a particular group, three, really, are going to be able to get access to these things. and as michael pointed out, we don't know how far they'll be able to disseminate them, but at least they'll be looking at them. another concern for him is that the judge signaled in there that the definition of emolument that he gave, which is any profit gained or advantage, could open questions about his continued lease of the old post office pavilion where the hotel is. there's a question as to whether or not perhaps even that's an emolument, because the domestic emoluments clause, in addition to the foreign emoluments clause, covers things that come from state governments or the united states government, other
than your salary. so, he's got a lot on the line here with this decision. >> so, michael, and i saw you shaking your head there, it's more than possibly the trump international hotel in d.c. that's at stake here. >> it could be. i mean, there are discussions about a lease that a chinese bank has in one of trump's buildings. there are other things that are out there, not to mention the fact that, you know, we've had this charade about who was going to control the trump organization, the trump business, in matters internationally that seems to maybe have been a smoke screen. and now this is going to filter some of that out and we're going to find out, in fact, how far, where the money goes, i guess, as it flows into the trump administration, and that is really the fly in the ointment for donald trump. the money's going to now -- the trail of the money and follow the money's going to be a little bit easier because this case is moving forward. >> mm-hmm. so walter, the thing about the trump presidency that is so unique is that he came into this job of the presidency with a gigantic business empire, much
more so than we've seen really from any recent president by any means. i mean, his name is plastered on buildings and on companies. so, with that said, is there the possibility of setting some sort of precedent in this case for future presidents? >> well, i think, unfortunately, everything that happens is going to set a precedent. and sadly, the precedent that has been set already is that this president chose not to follow the tradition of divesting his conflicting financial interests. and so, we're in uncharted territory as a result of that bad decision that he made early on, and anything that happens after that sets a new precedent. frankly, i'm open to any kind of new precedent, other than the one that he did set, which is that of presidents keeping their conflicting financial interests. >> all righty. walter schaub and michael moore, we so appreciate you both being here. thank you, gentlemen. >> good to be with you. >> thanks. we have breaking news from the vatican regarding the resignation of a cardinal. senior vatican analyst john
ellen joins us on the phone with details. john, what do we know about this? >> well, what we know is that in recent weeks there have been mounting accusations against retired cardinal theodore mccarrick, formerly the archbishop of newark, new jersey, and also washington, d.c. in washington, he became probably the premier broker between the catholic bishops in america and the nation's political establishment. he played an incredibly important role during the late years of the john paul ii papacy, benedict xvi, and reportedly was instrumental in helping get pope francis elected in march of 2013. the accusations now hold that cardinal mccarrick is guilty of a variety of acts of sexual misconduct and abuse, including in at least one case with a minor. of course, pope francis has pledged himself to a strong zero tolerance policy on sexual abuse. today the vatican announced that
the pope has accepted cardinal mccarrick's resignation from the cardinal college, college of cardinals, so as of today he is no longer a cardinal, and that the pope has also suspended mccarrick, meaning he is not able to act as a priest. he cannot celebrate mass. he cannot do confirmations and so on. while a church investigation against him is unfolding. so, what we have is fairly dramatic and rapid papal action against the highest rung of the catholic structure. this kind of thing is unprecedented since the early 20th century. >> all right. well, we'll continue to follow it through you, john allen. thank you very much for insights on the breaking news out of the vatican this morning. christi? a doctor for former president george h.w. bush was shot in the middle of his bike ride.
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and retaliation involving six women. the author, ronan farrow, discussed his story earlier. >> they all continue to fear retaliation. you know, janet jones, the writer you just mentioned, describes him calling her afterwards and threatening her and saying things that appear to be cliches to us, but obviously, coming after a work meeting and after an alleged assault like this are very, very serious and frightening, like you're never going to work again. and she and these other women were still frightened to come forward but said they were doing so because they wanted to expose what they feared was a culture of impunity that could protect other women, if it's reversed. >> now, moonves has responded. here's what he says -- "i recognize that there were times decades ago when i may have made some women uncomfortable by making advances. those were mistakes, and i regret them immensely, but i always understood and respected and abided by the principle that no means no, and i've never misused my position to harm or hinder anyone's career." cbs' independent board of directors says it will review
the claims and then take appropriate action. a doctor for former president george h.w. bush was shot and killed while he was out on a bike ride a week ago, and now police say they believe that he may have been targeted. >> our affiliate kprc spoke with a former fbi investigator as he tries to piece together what's really become a bizarre case. take a look. >> reporter: one week later, to stand where doctor hausknecht fell after being shot -- >> trained investigator, and you conduct investigations without emotion, but there's some emotion just being here. >> reporter: it's tough, even for a seasoned investigator who spent 22 years with the fbi. so, we know the doctor crossed the street on his bike. i walk with dennis franks following the path dr. hausknecht took. the shooting happened near a construction site on main street near west holcombe. a worker who spoke to us off camera mentioned they had been using a type of nail gun to fire
nails into iron supports, something someone with sinister plans may have used to their advantage. >> use gun powder in a shell to fire the nails into steel. so, that sound itself would sound like a gun firing. is it coincidental? i don't know. >> reporter: then there's the precision of the shooting. dr. hausknecht was shot while riding his bike. >> when the target is moving also, that takes skill. >> reporter: it suggests to franks that the shooter was someone who had training. >> and there were three shots? >> reporter: three shots is what the medical examiner is saying. >> so, i find that very interesting. it could be that just the shooter has a certain amount of training, but that's typically a tactical training. that's tactical either law enforcement or military training. two shots to the chest, one to the head. that's usually the training where you come out, boom, boom to the chest, boom, one to the head, in that order. >> all righty. and we'll keep you posted on
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republican karen handel defeated jon ossoff in the special election last year, but democrats now have a second chance to flip it, as they say. and join me now, democratic candidate for georgia's sixth district, lucy mcbath. important to note also here that cnn has reached out to mcbath's republican opponent, karen handel. as of yet, we have not received a response. she is always welcome to speak on this program or any other on cnn. lucy, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to say, first of all, i'm sorry about the loss of your son. i know this because i covered the trial of the man. and that weighs into this, because he was shot and killed. and gun control has to be, of course, important to you, both personally and also as a candidate, but you're running in a district that's pretty conservative here. and i'm wondering, how do you do that? >> well, first and foremost, i always have to say, the narrative is, is that i am a supporter of the second amendment, you know. i am not against taking guns away from law-abiding gun owners
and hunters and gun enthusiasts. my father was a hunter. my oldest nephew is a sharpshooter in the marines. so, it's not about being against guns. but what it truly is, is making sure that we are putting some balance in our existing gun laws to make sure that we don't have the kinds of tragedies continue to happen over and over again, such as what happened to my son. by giving the ability of law-abiding gun owners to have their guns. so, making sure that narrative is directed to people that necessarily wouldn't agree with me, trying to get them to understand that i'm fighting and trying to preserve their lives as well and also their ability to be able to have their guns. >> you, like a number of other democratic candidates, need republican votes, essentially, in the math, to win. and i presume that you're looking for those disenfranchised or those who people that the president has not done it for them. and many of them may be women in suburban areas. am i wrong in that?
>> well, i've heard from -- i call them my neighbors. since i've been all over the district now, the sixth congressional district. and i'm talking to people that some are republicans. but what i'm hearing is that, you know, we're concerned, we're afraid for our future. we're afraid of what's coming out of washington. and we're just looking for someone that will speak credibility to the things that we're concerned about. i actually have people in my district who are republicans who said i am a republican, that doesn't necessarily mean i'm going to switch to be a lifelong democrat, but i believe in what you're saying to us, i believe in the reality of the issues that you have dealt with. you live among us, and i'm going to vote for you because i think that you speak credibility to what's important to what i need and my family's needs. >> just as we mentioned how close these midterm elections are, and yet, it also seems that the democratic party is kind of split here. you've got young up-and-coming progressives that have won some
surprising elections. you've got nancy pelosi and others in washington who have been there a long time, who are the face of the democratic party and who make the money. is it time to pass the torch? and how do you deal with the issue of, yes, you need the finance, but we also need a fresh approach? >> well, you know, i was talking with senator tim kaine just the other day, and we were talking about the fact that what is a new, credible politician look like, you know? we talk about what historically a retalk about what a credible politician looks like. now we deal with people that are smart enough. they know enough. they have enough wisdom and they have life experience that gives them credibility to be able to speak to the things that the people they live among. it's a balance of taking the older established political regime so to speak and build in
the new ideas of younger people that actually have a fire in their belly to do what they believe we need to do to when seats for the democratic party. >> well, we appreciate you coming. we will follow you closely. it's one that are key as many are around the nation as we go into this election. again, we did reach out to karen handel. she is invited. hopefully she will respond. >> thank you, martin. so the u.s. is threatening sanctions on turkey, israel asked a turkish woman to free a deal that turkey denies by the way. >> reporter: finally american pastor andrew brunson walked out of jail on sunday, not yet free after almost two years behind bars a turkish court put him on
house arrest, baring him from leaving the countries. >> to president erdogan and the turkish government, i have a message on behalf of the pvt. of the united states of america, release pastor andrew brunson now or be prepared to face the consequences. >> reporter: brunson was detained in 2016, following the failed coup attempt, charged with ties to krish militants. the group accused of being behind the attempted coup president trump calling the north evangelical a christian and turkey's foreign minister firing back in a tweet, no one dictates to turkey, he said. we will never tolerate threats from anybody. rules of law is for everyone. no exception. brunson and his family have
repeatedly denied the charges. saying he is persecute2ed because of his faith. >> having grown up in turkey, it's hard to understand the six. my father has been dedicated to serving them for over two decades. i note the allegations against him are absurd. she not a terrorist trying to i don't have throw any government. >> reporter: last year, president erdogan hinting at a swap the pastor for the u.s.-based muslim cleric turkey says was behind the failed coup and claims the cleric denies. one of the issues that have strained sy ties but in recent weeks, it seemed like disagreements were resolved. especially with two unpredictable leaders, not known to back down easily. and still ahead, we will
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president, had been marginalized, and would likely leave after his year anniversary at the white house. that anniversary came and went yesterday and was accompanied by a tweet showing a beaming kelly and president trump with the caption "congratulations to general john kelly. today we celebrate his first full year as white house chief of staff." today, white house officials told fox news that the president asked kelly to stay on through 2020, the end of his first term, and that kelly accepted very many of the previous rumors about kelly had come from within the white house and his changes elsewhere in the administration. with general kelly at his side, president trump is going to war with the powerful koch brothers, who are waging a campaign against the present strategy of using tariffs to leverage new trade deals. >> because of new tariffs, our farmers livelihoods are at risk. carmakers, factory workers and macs you don't like manufacturers. farmers want trade, not aid.
tell the administration and congress, open market and end tariffs. >> president trump took a blow torch to them, tweeting they have become a total joke in real republican circles, that he has beaten them at every turn and that they are two nice guys with bad ideas. and it's not just tariffs. the network recently announced its willing to bet democrats over republicans if the democrats policies more closely align with the coke agenda. a spokesman saying we support policies that help all people improve their lives. we look forward to working with anyone to do so. on monday the network announced it would not support republican kevin kramer, who is locked in a tight race with north dakota democrat senator heidi heitkamp. >> it was very disappointing to see yesterday that they are not going to support kevin kramer. heidi heitkamp voted against the tax cut. she has not been a supporter of the policies the president has put forward. >> as the feud rages, support
for the president from an unexpected corner. jpmorgan ceo jamie dimon, a former close ally of barack obama praising the president's economic policies. >> he has done things which accelerated growth. we needed competitive taxes and the way the american public should drink it though might think about for 20 years we have been increasingly uncompetitive. >> tonight at a campaign rally in tampa, president trump will put his economic policies on the line. he's making an appearance on behalf of congressman ron desantis, who is vying to become the next governor of florida. >> bret: see that live right here on fox. roberts, thanks. the trump administration is studying the idea of what would amount -- by reducing the taxes levied on capital gains. administration officials have said no decision has been made yet on whether to proceed. they say treasury secretary steven mnuchin prefers deferring to congress, but he does have his department studying the
economic impact of such a change and the legality of proceeding without congressional approval. democrats are denouncing this idea. house minority leader nancy pelosi says the plan "exposes the true priorities of the g.o.p. tax scam." facebook says it has uncovered new efforts to metal in u.s. politics on its platforms, and it says those efforts may be linked to russia. facebook officials have artie briefed members of congress. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has details tonight from capitol hill. >> 14 weeks from election day facebook announced it has taken down accounts engaged in a sophisticated political influence campaign. >> earlier this morning we removed 32 pages and accounts from facebook and instagram because they were involved in coordinated inauthentic behavior. >> at this stage the social media giant isn't prepared to blame russia at least in public in part because the account holders try harder to hide their identities than russian-based
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chairman of the senate judiciary committee. he responded saying this. >> i will not put the american taxpayers on the hook for senate democrats fishing expedition. >> bret: so what's the latest on all this? >> grassley stand up because those democrats are asking for basically every document that passed through brett kavanaugh when he was the staff secretary for president george w. bush. that's a massive gatekeeper role and that would be a huge amount of documentation. chuck schumer, the senate democratic leader has appealed to former president bush. he's appealed to the national archivist and now grassley feels like he's trying to embarrass him so what's significant here is to comoderate republican senators, susan collins and lisa murkowski have sided with chairman grassley in this battle. that is significant because of those moderates had gone with schumer, that could really drag out this whole confirmation process. >> bret: going forward october . like emmanuel live on the hill,
thanks. the dow gained 108 today. the s&p 500 finished ahead 42, the nasdaq was up 18. the first day, the first trial -- the first day of the first trial has just ended for one of canada trumps top advisors. his former campaign chair. a jury was seated today in the case of paul manafort, the first case brought to trial by special counsel robert mueller. the jurors will not hear anything about a low alleged rn collusion or special counsel headlines. peter doocy is outside the federal courthouse in virginia tonight to tell us what this case is about. good evening, peter. >> good evening, brad the court session just ended for today but a little bit earlier this afternoon while prosecutors working for robert mueller tried to nail paul manafort for financial crimes by outlining his lavish lifestyle, the judge interrupted and told the mueller team it's not against the law to have a lot of money, so the
burden of proof on the special counsel is proving to be heavy. >> lawyers for the man who was with the trump campaign for just five months are fighting to keep them out of federal prison for 305 euros. paul manafort is charged with falsifying income taxes, and committing bank fraud, type $260 million the special counsel alleges he was paid as a consultant to ukrainian politicians and then hid from the irs. >> the chances of paul manafort trying to reach some kind of deal has passed us. >> interrupted by lunch and a list of witnesses that to testify against manafort, including rick gates and former bernie sanders strategist tad devine has been presented. the providing judge, ts ellis is the same one who challenged the special counsel's focus on financial chargers for manafort back in may saying that "we don't really care about mr. manafort, you really care about what information
needs to convince the jury to have the same kind of sympathy as the president because his fate is controlled by six men and six women from virginia. >> i don't think you go into this thinking even if i get convicted i still may get a pardon. i think that's a big risk. >> late this afternoon, the mueller team called their first witness. it was the former bernie sanders strategist and colleague of paul manafort, tad devine, who was actually pretty complementary of manafort, but his testimony served to establish manafort's deep business ties in ukraine. somebody whose name was never mentioned by that witness or the mueller team or the defense team, donald trump. >> bret: peter doocy outside the courthouse. thanks. now to news overseas. iranian officials say if president trump wants to talk, the u.s. must rejoin the iran nuclear deal he left last spring. that terse response comes after the president said he would negotiate with anybody.
correspondent rich edson has more reactions on it. >> president trump says he would meet with iranian president who saw him run honey. iran says the president should forget it. foreign minister tweeted the two countries have already spoken. negotiating a nuclear agreement and "threats, sanctions and p.r. stunts won't work." try respect for iranians and for international commitments. president trump says his administration is implementing an aggressive stance towards iran. still the president says he's prepared to talk. >> no preconditions. they want to meet, i will meet. anytime they want. >> his secretary of state mike pompeo then appeared to outline conditions. >> the iranians demonstrate a commitment to make fundamental changes in how they treat their own people, can agree that it's worthwhile to enter a nuclear agreement that actually prevents proliferation, than the president said he's prepared to sit down and have a conversation with them. >> the state department says the
president has offered to meet without conditions stands. >> the president and the secretary have both said that. >> the trump administration will begin imposing additional sanctions in iran. restrictions the united states once lifted as part of the iran nuclear agreement. china, russia, britain, france and germany are trying to salvage the agreement without the u.s. the threat of additional u.s. sanctions has already forced european businesses to scrap investments in iran. iran's foreign minister is pressuring the europeans to ignore potential u.s. sanctions penalties and invest in iran anyway. >> europeans should decide whether their businessmen, banks and government or to pursue european interests or american interests, or in particular trump's interest. >> while the u.s. maintains economic pressure, the administration continues its assault on iran's leadership. >> they seem more concerned with riches than religion. >> last week secretary pompeii called the leaders hypocritical
official told fox. >> the south korean government is closely watching north korean movement and closely working with the united states. >> this comes after last week's news that the north continues to produce material for nuclear bombs. after last month commitment to work towards denuclearization by north korean north korean leader kim jong un at the summit with the president trump. experts say he didn't promise to halt nuclear activity now. >> they're basically staying true to what kim has been saying, which is that he's going to start mass producing material but also missiles. >> the still the talking continues. today the dmz generals from north and south korea met again to work on regional issues that might lead to bigger things. >> i believe processing inter-korean issues is a meaningful initial step to ease military tensions. >> the north has made concessions, the blowing up of a nuclear test site, the dismantling of a missile test facility and the remains of what is believed to be 55 u.s. service members missing since
the korean war. said to be repatriated back to hawaii tomorrow. >> we told chairman kim if we can denuclearize your country there is a brighter future for the north korean people. >> chairman kim might want more. >> i think from north korea's perspective they have done a lot and i suspect that they are building some momentum for asking the u.s. for concessions. >> those concessions to north korea could mean an easing of sanctions or the signing of a peace treaty, both of which the u.s. is not yet ready to do. no one said this is going to be easy. >> bret: greg palkot, thank you. turkey's state run media says a court has rejected an american pastor's appeal for his release from house arrest and refused to lift his travel ban. the court ruled there was no change in the strong criminal suspicion against pastor andrew brunson. he faces up to 35 years in prison in turkey if convicted of terror and espionage. president donald trump is threatening sanctions against
turkey over this case. turkey insists it will not give in. up next we have some breaking news we are following. we will bring you right after the break, the latest on the massive and deadly wildfires burning through much of california. first, here's what some of our fox affiliates around the country are covering tonight. fox 17 in des moines, where officials say they still do not know what happened to a 20-year-old iowa college student who vanished nearly two weeks ago. molly tibbetts disappeared near brooklyn iowa, one of the chief investigators says they are chasing every possible lead. fox 29 in san antonio, texas, with the safe return of a shark stolen from the city's aquarium. police say they have confessions from two men involved in snatching the 2-3-foot long gray horn chart domestic shark. police tracked only get getaway pickup truck last night. and this is a live look at philadelphia former affiliate fox 29. the big story there to make the first member of a penn state
university fraternity to plead guilty in connection with the hazing death of a pledge last year is sentenced to three months house arrest. ryan burke pleaded guilty to four counts of hazing and five alcohol violations. tim piazza died after a night of heavy drinking and a series of falls that left him with a fractured skull and severe abdominal injuries. other defendants face trial in february. that's tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report." we will be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ let your perfect drive come together at the lincoln summer invitation sales event. get 0% apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus $1,000 bonus cash.
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>> we are getting some good news from the governor of durango state in northern mexico and that is confirmation from him that they believe at this point there are no deaths as a result of this plane crash. this was mexico flight 20 4:30 4:30 -- took off from durango in the north of mexico headed for mexico city. took off at just after 3:00 p.m. local time there. that's 4:00 p.m. eastern and apparently according to the transport department fell upon takeoff. we have seen photos on twitter of the plane lying on its belly, but relatively intact. although there was smoke billowing from it and emergency services on the ground dealing with what appeared to be a relatively large fire in the pictures we have seen. also we have seen photographs of some of the full crew that were on board with 97 passengers
walking away from the wreckage, another sign that this accident was perhaps not as bad as eck first feared. so the breaking news as we understand it from the governor of the northern state of durango, no deaths, but an accident involving aeromexico 20 4:30 one en route from durango to mexico city, 97 passengers on board, four crew. there are some injuries but as we understand it at the moment, no deaths in this crash in northern mexico tonight. >> bret: jonathan hunt live in l.a. we will keep monitoring that. thank you. meantime, a massive blaze in northern california has now destroyed almost 900 homes and torched more than 170 square miles. it is believed to be one of the most destructive fires in california state history. correspondent jeff paul is live again tonight in redding, california, . >> there is no end in sight.
>> it's just been devastating, really. it's so hard. >> fires burning in california continue scorching acre by acre, leveling homes by the hundred bearing >> i lost it all. every bit of it. i'm sorry. >> there are now at least 15 major wild bikers burning across the golden state. a car fire burning in redding which claimed the lives of at least six people, now considered the seventh most devastating fire in state history, destroying close to 1,000 homes. >> i used to fight fires back in the ' 70s in '80s and i've never seen anything like this. >> the most active the complex fires. a pair of fires burning north of san francisco which doubled in size overnight and is now threatening thousands of homes. and just to give you an idea of how indiscriminately these fires are burning, two houses behind me here in redding, they look fine, the car is okay, the grass barely grain but then you walk a few feet just across the street
and you have the opposite seen. a car burned down to its metal, the home destroyed, the grass in the front yard blackened by all the smoke and fire and firefighters say that's what makes these fires so hard to fight. they don't know where they are going to go next. >> this is once in 100 years, it just seems like each year it gets a little worse and worse. >> firefighters at the front lines are feeling at working around the clock, their aggressive efforts are paying off. if containment levels are increasing, giving families hope for tomorrow. >> everything is still here. i'm optimistic about that. >> the stories of strength that we are hearing about in these communities are incredible. one local hospital telling us that more than 40 employees have lost their homes, but they are still showing up to work to help others despite losing everything. >> bret: live in redding, jeff, thanks. up next, should the government allow you to access directions about how to 3d print your own gun? some breaking news on this story
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>> bret: this is another fox news alert. a federal judge moments ago issuing a temporary restraining order staffing the release of downloadable lubricants for 3d printed guns. earlier today president trump tweeted that he is consulting with the nra on this controvers controversy. correspondent anita vogel tells us to make several states are actually suing the trump administration to block this release. >> for god sakes, when it comes to something as basic as public safety, our state department saying this is a giveaway for terrorists. >> fear and outrage from the washington state attorney general as he filed suit against the state department on behalf of nearly a dozen states over the government's decision to allow a texas company to publish files detailing how to build a gun with something as simple as a 3d printer. critics say these ghost guns
will be made of plastic with no serial numbers and will be practically invisible. >> these firearms will be undetectable. they will pass through metal detectors without a blip, a buzz, or a bell that is going off. >> these ghost guns aren't the new wave of american gun violence. >> because the state department is charged with regulating the sale of firearms outside of the u.s., it was the agency which blocked texas company defense disrupted after it briefly published the gun blueprints in 2013. the company then sued the state department, the owner cody wilson claiming his free-speech rights were being violated. >> the government does not have the power to tell people they can post information on the internet. that's a violation of free speech. also, state law is trumped by federal law. >> just last month the state department settled that student saying certain firearms and related items are already
widely available for sale. >> the license to both sleeves online. if this is an unconstitutional action. >> this didn't happen by accident. the trump administration, pushed by the gun activists, did this. >> defense distributed file that of august 1st the age of downloadable guns would formally begin but as you noted at the top, within the last half hour, a district judge in seattle has granted a temporary restraining order, meaning the company defense distributed cannot publish those pictures of 3d guns online for the time being. we will be following this story and see where it goes from here. back to you. >> bret: we will, thank you. president trump asked his chief of staff to stay on through 2020. we will get reaction to that and all the day's news from the panel when we come back. ♪
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critical that people's lives obviously depend on it. so i'm in for the long haul. >> bret: chief of staff john kelly here on "special report" despite stories like these from "the new york times," how long can john kelly hang on? cbs news, it may be on the way out. nbc news, basically he's leaving and "the wall street journal," as well as some reporting that we had here on fox that he may be leaving. john kelly is staying on according to the white house. the president asking him, one year anniversary yesterday, tweeting out congratulations, but asking him to stay on 22020 as sources say he has said yes. let's start there with the panel. jonah goldberg, senior editor at national review. national public radio. mollie hemingway, senior editor at the federalist and because he's a good egg we have greg. >> nice! >> bret: cohost of "the five," whose new book is out today. retribution.
>> it was a good rhyme, brett. >> bret: what happened to dana? >> i think the whole segment should be about what happened to dana. oh, my god. >> bret: john kelly, jonah, staying on. it's like heads are exploding in washington. what happened? >> the rumor mill was very, very strong. the reporting seem to be pretty clear about this and i don't know. it seems to me that at the very minimum we can say that this kills the story for a little while but the president has said he has full faith and confidence in various other members of his cabinet will haven't endured much longer than that. i would still be surprised if john kelly is actually there through 2020, but it seems like they wanted it to be the end of the story and john kelly, my understanding is that john kelly does not function like a normal chief of staff. normally a chief of staff funnels the information and personnel who get to see the president. he's more like a senior advisor who does manage down, but doesn't manage up the way traditional chief of staff's do.
so it's interesting, i don't have a great theory about why this got a 180. >> first of all, if he does make it all the way to 2020, and we really have no idea if you will, that will be a very long time. that will be the longest. i think john kelly managed to bring some order and discipline to the white house, but the president doesn't want to be managed in the way a normal chief of staff -- a typical chief of staff would do. he likes free will and conversations. he likes to talk to whenever he wants to whoever he wants to. it's o'kelly's efforts to kind of control the information flow to him, that's where he didn't succeed. >> bret: mollie, the president also likes to break up white house narratives or washington narratives. like just say that's not true. >> we could not have had more anonymously sourced stories saying this man was on his way out within hours or minutes or days. certainly he wouldn't last past the end of the summer.
we had so much reporting saying that. so at the very least of this story, which also is sort of anonymously sourced but the white house is not knocking it down. they always knocked on those other stories, they always call them fake news. they are not doing that in this case. i think that's significant but maybe the real lesson edge we should care less about palace intrigue and more about the actual policies that are coming out of this white house and the fact that there are people who support these policies that make it more effective. >> mollie is absolutely right. the loser here is the person who keeps saying sources say, or in that sentence that begins with we hear. every time i read we hear or sources say i know it's wrong and the great trick here what trump is doing is that the assumption is not just that john kelly is going to be there through 2020 but so is trump. basically making you think past -- he's not going to be impeached. he's going to be around. so it's pretty cool. kelly is part of that good cop crazy cop framework like lethal weapon where mel gibson is riggs
and kelly is what's his name, murtaugh, the danny glover character. it makes america feel good to see those guys in that office, to see pompeo, mattis, bolton and kelly, because they kind of counter this impulsive rogue mel gibson-like president. >> bret: so do we get a special report monologue? is that the second iteration of the book? i want to talk about the shutdown back and forth. take a listen to this. >> it's completely concerning to us, its consternation. frustration at this point as to why congress will do its job. >> i'm hoping we are going to be able to resolve this issue. we know it's important to him. most republicans including myself agree that we ought to fund the wall. >> the leader and i have had almost daily conversations about the appropriations bill and we are making very good progress. the fly in the ointment here of course is the president.
whenever he gets involved he seems to mess that up. >> bret: now there seems to be this kind of walk back that he has told staff he is not talking about a shutdown before the midterms but then tweets out i don't care about the political ramifications. >> this is a threat he has made before about how he is willing to shutdown the government in order to get what he wants, funding for the wall and other immigration measures but this one was pretty diluted pretty quickly. he said he didn't have a redline in terms of how much money he wanted for the wall. it wasn't clear whether he was talking about pre-election or afterwards and congress is actually passing appropriations bills for the first time so he would have to veto a lot of them if you really wanted to shut down the government. so congress doesn't want to shut it down. i think he's trying to send a message to his base, i care so much about these immigration issues that i'm willing to do something drastic like shutdown the government but everybody i've talked to doesn't think it's going to happen.
>> bret: doesn't move the needle electorally? >> i think this is an issue where you are seeing huge division specifically in the republican party, the donor base that wants to continue the immigration policy as it has been but the voter grace that has gotten rather sick and tired of continuing with things and not dealing with some of the systematic problems in our immigration policy so it's hard to see how it plays out because you have a divided repair, the donors versus the voters. >> bret: speaking of the elections, the koch brothers, now in the sights of president trump. take a listen. >> because of new tariffs, our farmers livelihoods are at risk. carmakers, factory workers and manufacturers too. farmers want trade, not aid, tell the administration and congress open markets and end tariffs. >> they are ideologues. they are not just supporting republicans. they are also supporting democrats. we are not going to equivocate on who we are going to support. we are supporting republicans, majorities that are going to help this president passes agenda. >> bret: the president tweeting the globalist koch
brothers have become a total joke. i never sought their support because i don't need their money or bad ideas. they love my tax and regulation cuts, judicial picks and more. i made them richer, their network is highly overrated. i have beaten them at every turn. they want to protect their companies outside the u.s. from being taxed. i'm for america first in the american worker. a puppet for no one, to nice guys with bad ideas, make america great again. strong letter to follow. >> was going to say that. >> the simple fact is first of all the coke network, 96% of the candidates that they backed in 2016 won their races. 7 out of 8 senators. a lot of this has to do with the data that the afp, one of the offshoots of the koch network collects that they are not sharing. at this idea that we heard even more stridently from steve bannon recently that the kochs need to shut up and get with the program, they have been in favor
of drug legalization, criminal justice reform, they were against the iraq war. >> bret: they are libertarian. >> and they have $40 billion apiece. i don't want to sound like dana perino but there's a certain amount of squirrel you money that allows them to live up to their principles. of course she's the head of the republican party but that's not the koch networks job. >> they were very slow to embrace donald trump but when he started doing things that they approve dub like the tax cuts and deregulation, they like that. but they have certain principles. trade is one of them and they have so far decided not to support kevin kramer. >> allowed women of supporting grammar. >> i like the koch brothers because they dried the left crazy. the left portrays them as the evil power demons. i think this is just a fight among parents. what's the best meal to have tonight and the kids should just let it go. i don't think it's that big of a
deal. his tweets are just getting longer, that's the real problem. they enlarge the suites and he still is going past the limit. that was like a short novel. dana could teach him a thing. >> bret: we are not going to talk about dana in the next panel. next up, it appears north korea is still working on his weapons program and iran says no dice on talks. gas, bloating, constipation, and diarrhea can start in the colon, and may be signs of an imbalance of good bacteria. only phillips' colon health has this unique combination of probiotics. it helps replenish good bacteria. get four-in-one symptom defense.
movement and is closely working with the united states. however, i hope you understand that we are not able to speak about the intelligence. >> bret: from our pentagon team, it's business as usual. it officials the latest technology with the latest assessment north korea told fox news specific goals specifically noting that the regime is building intercontinental ballistic missiles. no evidence that north korea has halted work on missile development despite dismantling parts in a recent week. jonah, what does this tell us? >> i find this utterly not surprising. my position has always been it has nothing to do with the term, it has to do with the north koreans, the north koreans have organized their entitled political system for 30 years around the need to have nuclear weapons. asking them to give up their nuclear weapons voluntarily is like asking the hells angels to give up their motorcycles and switch to scooters. it is part of their identity as a nation and is not even clear
to me that kim jong un could survive a coup if he actually gave away the nukes. so this does not shock me. >> bret: days ago the president waited a rocket has not been launched in nine months. likewise, no nuclear text till my test. the fake news this thing without ever asking me, always anonymous sources that i'm angry because it's not going fast enough. wrong, very happy. but he can't be happy about missiles going forward, right? >> i agree with jonah. they should not be surprising. kim publicly stated they were going to continue building ballistic missiles. there was nothing in those talks that would indicate he would stop doing it and they do not have sufficient incentive right now to stop with their materials with their building with the ballistic missiles. this is part of a larger program, which is deterrence, which we need to continue doing. we need to keep the lines of communication going, and that has gone well. some of the bodies of the dead soldiers returned and that is a very good start. we also need to think about containment as we continue to
pursue the denuclearization strategy. it can take a long time but it's not surprising. >> bret: the vice president is going over to hawaii to meet the remains there. go ahead. >> that is not the message that donald trump has been sending. he came back from that meeting in singapore and said there's no more nuclear threat from north korea. lately he's saying i'm very patient, it's okay if it takes a long time, but he was very invested in saying the meeting was a success, i have solved the problem, as he put it, everyone can sleep easier and he will have to backpedal from that. >> people are sleeping easier. it's a much better situation right now than it was a year ago. >> then exchanging threats to destroy each other, sure. >> he always said let's see what happens and i think you are seeing what happens. i don't think north korea should hold what they are doing. they are waiting for a grand gesture. it's like a romance. you've got to put a ring on it. and until there's actually a commitment, and agreement, a former declaration of peace, i don't see why they wouldn't stop doing it, we wouldn't stop doing it. i think it's now who does it first. i think that's where we are not.
i'm very positive about this. i do feel better about the world and i think that things have happened. >> bret: and you have said you were an. >> i'm worried about everything but i worry less about north korea and i just think that for this to happen, they don't trust us, we don't trust them so they are waiting for the grand gesture. >> bret: speaking of grand gestures, the president yesterday talking about iran. >> preconditions, no. they want to me, i will meet. anytime they want. anytime they want, it's good for the country, good for them, good for us and good for the world. >> demonstrated commitment to make fundamental changes in how they treat their own people, reduce their malign behavior, agree that it is worthwhile to enter a nuclear agreement that actually prevents proliferation and the president said he's prepared to sit down and have a conversation with them. >> bret: sounded different there, jonah.
foreign statement, foreign ministry statement said no, we're not going to do. >> this is what unites these two stories and also pompeo's testimony last week. pompeo very strenuously tried to say, imply, suggest, that the president says off the cuff isn't the policy. what we are actually doing on the ground is the policy. so here we have two sound bites from the secretary of state essentially flying back what the president says off the cuff on television and it's a weird way to run a railroad. >> the president's statements are not u.s. government policy. we are that over and over again. john bolton keeps saying that is not the policy of the united states government but the president is the united states government, so what does that mean? that other countries should discount what he says and wait for pompeo to explain it? >> the last three presidents who won my collections were people who wanted to meet with the country's adversaries. this is something the electorate wants, even if the foreign
policy consensus in d.c. he acts like it's crazy. for a lot of americans there was no difference between what they heard donald trump say and mike pompeo. they want to have a different approach to foreign policy, one based more on national interest than interventionism. >> bret: lessor here, greg. >> i look at the personnel and i'm not worried. i look at pompeo. i look at bolton. these are grim people. bolton is a walking no. it's a different administration in my opinion that i think they go in there and they are more levelheaded. to paraphrase jonah, it's like comparing this level of foreign policy with the previous is like a humvee to a schwinn. these guys mean business. >> bret: good luck on the book, thanks for stopping by. >> always good to see you. >> bret: hopefully dana will be okay. >> got her a swear jar. >> bret: when we get back on attributes to fighting a fire in california. booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia.
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>> harris: i hear you saying -- >> david: it sounds like the m.o. it sounds like their m.o. but the fact is that for decades and, of course, we got to realize vladimir putin is part of the old soviet union. k.g.b. guy at heart. they have been trying to sow dissent in the united states since stalin was in power and even before that. they continue to do that. it's just the method of delivery has changed. that is what they're focusing on now. there hasn't been enough done in the past. probably isn't enough done now. i don't think it is ever going to stop. >> harris: senator lindsey graham says he is working to introduce a russia, quote/unquote, "sanctions bill from hell." >> go for it. trump has been tough on russia, as we should. so i have no problem to continue sanctions on russia. of course we have to take the cyber security issues seriously. we should make sure that the united states institutions are
protected from the foreign interference. whatever it is. but i think that this intense focus on the social media is overblown. if you look at the impressions from facebook alone, 56% of them happened after the election, the majority of the ads didn't mention the united states election. you look at even $2,000 spent in wisconsin. it's a complete joke. i mentioned this before but jeb bush spent $3,000 per voter in the state of iowa alone in the republican primary. i think facebook has a vested interested in trying to get out in front of this in any way they can. because they have taken a huge financial hit recently. >> melissa: they do have an incentive and i'm not confident they are doing everything they could and should. i deleted my account before i came out on the air today. if it's still there -- >> david: was it tough to do it? it used to be hard. >> melissa: i hope i did it properly. i went through the steps. i didn't deactivate. i attempted to completely
delete it. i think it's nefarious. when you read down in here, trying to incite violence. this is really serious. this is really bad for our democracy. it's really bad for our families, our lives. i deleted my account. that's that. i'm out of facebook. >> harris: with you and david on the couch, i want to ask about -- because you say you don't know if facebook going to get it right. why can't they get it right? or is it on them or bad actors. >> david: like trying to delete anything on the internet. >> harris: but i mean the process. this is a further journey for them now. >> melissa: it's not necessarily always in their economic interest to do everything that they would need to do. i mean there are some things, yes, they want to restore faith so people like i just did, don't delete their account. so that makes sense. at the same time, it's what drives the revenue. having more people there and more interaction. selling ads. that drives the revenue. they have a mixed incentive
here. >> marie: like playing whack-a-mole. 300 more pop-up. the internet research behind some of those they deleted, a russian internet meddling firm basically. they are very good at this and they have people who can do it in their sleet. they delete some and hundreds more pop-up. it's like whack-a-mole literally. i think facebook is going through an internal crisis how to handle the issue. they are committed to free speech and people using the platform in ways. >> harris: twitter and others -- i'm coming at this -- >> this is a tough problem. >> harris: -- with a question mark. twitter and others have challenges the same way i imagine. >> marie: absolutely. >> harris: look at what twitter did a couple of weeks ago. they went on the egg head alert. look at accounts that were not real or bots or whatever and scrubbing them. people were complaining they were using followers but they weren't real anyway. >> david: let's focus on the
editorial here. what it was that russia was trying to do. the groups it was trying to get -- >> harris: and the events organized. >> david: -- to get under the sphere of influence. it turns out that the call for end of i.c.e. was a part very much interested the russians or whoever is behind this thing. they were involved with a group called "stop ripping families apart. take over i.c.e. headquarters." they tried to arrange a rally in front of the department of homeland security and total of 131 people marked themselves as having attended the june 27 rally outside of i.c.e. headquarters. so it's very interesting. the soviet union, whether on the right or the left, they are always trying to find useful idiots in the west -- that is the term that lenin used -- here to carry over on their cause. >> lisa: you have 2 billion facebook users each month. >> harris: they did. i don't know if they are picking up like that. they are losing followers. >> lisa: you can find
anybody doing anything with that many people worldwide using facebook. they haven't been able to tie some of the accounts to russia either. >> marie: but many have. >> lisa: there are people -- >> harris: there are people want to influence the democratic process. don't miss what david pointed to. they are dividing us along the culture and racial lines because they know we will fight in the streets before we ever love on each other enough to know the enemy is outside. >> david: they get more violence. >> marie: harris is right. may are trying to get more violent. this is bad for the democracy. facebook really has to take a look at what their business to be used for. >> harris: we have to look at what we want to be like as a country. >> david: bottom line is folks, i'm afraid to say, you cannot outlaw useful idiots. they were here in the early part of the 20th century and they will be here in the latter part of the 20th century. >> melissa: delete your facebook account. i'm out.
>> harris: we said the same thing. >> time for self-reflection, america. >> harris: get along. >> lisa: be nicer to people. >> harris: it would be harder to divide us. another fox news alert now. >> melissa: chuck schumer, fellow democrats and the political activists holding a rally to call to block the nomination of president trump's supreme court pick brett kavanaugh. yesterday, senator chalmer repeated demands for release of all documents related to kavanaugh's time working in the bush white house. that request would reportedly surpass 1 million documents. watch. >> the senate must have the records spanning judge kavanaugh's career as a public servant. what are they hiding? why is there such an effort not to have the documents come forward when that has been the bipartisan precedent of this body >> harris:>> -- precedent of this body?
>> melissa: despite the pressure, joe manchin met with kavanaugh and donnelly is planning to meet as well. majority whip john cornyn says senator schumer is trying to delay. watch. >> now we are engaged in what i call the "great paper chase." this leaves me with the inescapable conclusion this is all about foot-dragging and delay. they know that they can't attack him based on qualifications, based on his character. and now it's all about paper and delay and obstruction. >> melissa: interesting stuff. do you think this is the best move for democrats? >> marie: i'm sort of in the middle here. i do think the senate has a right to advise and consent on the supreme court nominees and any paper throughout in the history directly relevant to how he would do his job is something the senate should have. i think it's a fair ask to make. whether the documents are part of when he worked at the white house or not, i don't know.
some might not be relevant. i argued, the democrats, sorry to say, we'll lose the fight and he will probably be confirmed. if that is the case i don't think that the democratic party should draw it out closer to the midterms because all it does is fire up the republicans. if we are going to lose anyway, let's lose quickly and move to the issues we want to talk about on the campaign trail. i don't know if the democrats in the senate are listening to me on this but that's where my analysis is. >> lisa: i agree with you. >> marie: fox news alert! >> lisa: we're having a moment on the couch. marie harf and i agree. we're in uniform, my friend. >> david: pull back. >> marie: we can go home. >> david: he is nowhere near as conservative as antonin scalia was. antonin scalia was the most conservative justice in my lifetime to be on the court. you know what he was confirmed by? 98-0 by the u.s. senate. 98-0. much more conservative than brett kavanaugh.
what are the democrats complaining about? >> harris: a different political climate. disagreeing with the opposite side of the aisle didn't mean you had to hate them. there is mean-spiritedness on capitol hill. not everybody but enough of that disease thinking that it gets everybody saying no, i'll retreat to my corner. what marie said is interesting because not only does the fight hurt the democrats as it gets closer to the midterm, it hurts everybody. people will just decide not to vote. to me that is the greatest crime and the greatest heartbreak in all of this. no matter whom you vote for. there are people who gave it all so we could go to the polls. suffrage, gave life. get to the polls and believe your vote counts. when you see both sides like this, it's over an issue that is settled. >> david: it used to be about the qualifications, whether somebody was qualified or not. not on the basis if they were on the left or the right. it was based on the qualifications and it's no longer based on the
qualifications. it's based on the abstract ideologies. >> harris: look at the capitol hill rally going on now? we should tell everybody. >> melissa: we said in the beginning that this is the rally going on. and why we are doing the segment. they are right there talking about brett kavanaugh and not wanting to have him confirmed. >> i think merrick garland would think they should wait for a while. >> lisa: the white house released more documents from kavanaugh's executive branch experience than any other supreme court nominee before. they have been transparent to put the documents out. obviously schumer, his interest is doing whatever he can to throw it out there and slow the process. i agree with marie. we had a moment. >> harris: it was lovely. >> these are the individuals that voted for gorsuch. and rand paul is on board. this is happening. >> marie: i don't like it's happening. >> lisa: but it's happening.
>> melissa: it's interesting and sad it's completely political. like you said, merrick garland. and before that, it has now come dun to are you going to support my position or not as a supreme court justice? that is not what the supreme court was supposed to be. they resisted it. >> david: democrats in red states have to bend to the reality -- >> harris: joe manchin met with him yesterday. >> david: as well. heidi heitkamp, et cetera. there will be a handful of democrats. but now that you have rand paul there is virtually no opposition. we don't know about mccain but there is no opposition among republicans. >> melissa: president trump calling on congress to fund the border wall or face a government shutdown. is the president going a good job of banging the drum on an issue important to his base? or could his threat backfire with less than 100 days to go before the midterms? plus, president trump could soon up the ante in the trade
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>> president trump: democrat party, they want to abolish i.c.e. in other words they want to let ms-13 rule our country. that's not going to happen. every day the brave men and women of i.c.e. liberate towns from savage gangs like ms-13 that are occupying our country like another nation would. we want maximum border security and respect for our heroes, i.c.e., border patrol and law enforcement. >> harris: president trump ripping democrats over the immigration in his rally in florida. this is after he threatened to shut down the government as democrats in congress refuse to support funding for the border wall and other immigration proposals. the president tweeted --"
"i don't care what the political ramifications are. our immigration laws and border security have been a complete and total disaster for decades and there is no way that the democrats will allow it to be fixed without a government shutdown. border security is now national security. and national security is the long-term viability of our country. a government shutdown is a very small price to pay for a safe and prosperous america!" he likes the exclamation point. yesterday, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he supports the president's border wall but he does not want to see the shutdown. >> i support what the president is trying to do on the wall. most of my members do as well. we are trying to go through a normal appropriations process that prevents a big vent at the end of the face -- big event at the end of the fiscal year that is too common around here. >> harris: he and the house speaker and the house feel this way.
democratic senate leader chuck schumer says he is working with republicans and he just wants the president to butt out. >> we are making very good progress. the fly in the ointment here of course is the president who keeps brandishing his sword and threatening. >> harris: the president is set to meet with the republican senators in the oval office today. and the subject of immigration is sure to come up again. so, you have paul ryan, speaker of the house. mitch mcconnell on the republican side and democrats saying no, no, no to shutdown. is this swamptastic behavior or should the president hold on until after the election. >> david: it is swamptastic. schumer was blamed for the last shutdown. there are two sides. political and the economic side. i went back to the economic side and the markets do well in the partial government shutdowns. markets don't do so badly,
particularly if the economy is doing well. we know the economy is booming now. we just had a wage figure of increase 2.8%. we haven't had an increase like that in ten years. the economy is booming. markets are doing okay. i think the economy, politically as i said, schumer was blamed for the last one. 2013. there was a shutdown that republicans were blamed for but it didn't hurt them in the 2014 midterms. who knows? >> harris: marie, i want to go to you. before we talked about the previous issues and you said it doesn't behoove us to argue about these things. let's just get through it. do you feel the same way about the shutdown? >> marie: i think there are a lot of republicans in congress who do not want to shut the government down. five weeks before a midterm. particularly in the house over funding for a border wall that as their constituents reminds them mexico would pay for, not the u.s. taxpayers. i think he will hear from the republicans in congress politically who say wait a second. there is no way we are going to get all of what you want. and shutting it down will hurt
the party chances in the midterm. i don't know if trump actually wants to shut it down. >> melissa: i think he does. >> marie: or it's negotiating tactic. >> melissa: if you talk about who is going to pay for it, remember the tariff. this is how all of this ties together. the tariffs are revenue coming in and it then goes for the wall. money is spongeable, all going in the game bank. >> marie: that is not what he said. he said mexico would pay for it. >> melissa: there are different ways to account for it. but he tried with the yummy, yummy carrots and said here is daca. do you want the yummy carrots? they said no. >> now he has a big -- >> harris: what is the other hand? >> melissa: swamp. swamp carrots. swamp said no. so he pulled out a giant stick and said now i'll smack you with this. you are right. it's the republicans and the democrats. both sides. everybody who is swamptastic. >> melissa: a curious point. >> harris: you are using
that carrot and the stick analogy, whether or not the president becoming tough is enough to answer back to the swamp. i mean, look, you have both chambers with republicans saying no shut down before midterm. >> lisa: i think president trump is doing this because the democrats are in the minority and charged up for the midterm elections and trump knows immigration is a huge base issue. what president trump is trying to do is get the republican base up charged up and ready to vote in the mid-term elections. think he knows republicans and the democrats will ultimately come together on a spending bill. this actually pushes the democrats to want to work with the republicans more, get something done. i don't think he would veto whatever they come up with. so he sort of gets his cake and eats it too that he charges up the republican base. ultimately they come together at the spending bill and get it done before the midterm election. i think it's a win-win. >> harris: what i love about what you are saying, lisa -- >> lisa: thank you. >> harris: the democrats are struggling to figure out who the base is. your party is splitting.
it's advantageous for the republican for the president to handle it this way. interesting perspective to bring forth. >> marie: the polling on the midterm shows voters particularly independents, think washington can't work. >> harris: yeah. >> marie: republicans are in charge of both houses and the white house. to an independent voter who says they can't even keep the government open, i can't go to the national park? that is what they see. >> david: something that has to change is a broken immigration system. we are letting the wrong people in. too many illegals come in that don't assimilate well in the future and too few good legals who do it the legal way to come in. we have to make it easier for qualified immigrants who want to work and assimilate in the country to come in. >> harris: the word " assimilate" i have to let marie come back on. >> marie: good immigrants and assimilate -- >> david: that means being willing to work instead of taking welfare. it means specific things.
i know a lot of immigrants. i know a lot of good immigrants who have been trying to come in for years, decades to get in the country who can't because the immigration system is broken. meanwhile, millions of the illegals are not good for the economy come in. >> marie: but some of the words used not by you but other people to in very not good terms, in terms of the history of immigration in this country and -- >> david: racism? >> marie: absolutely! >> david: that is b.s. >> marie: let me finish, please. you talked for two minutes. >> harris: let her talk. >> david: i don't want to allow anybody to suggest that the words i -- >> marie: i just said you didn't. i said that is not what you said. i said people use those terms in the immigration debate in ways that i find deeply offensive. >> david: there are crazy people and bad people everywhere. >> marie: some of them are running the immigration policy now. >> lisa: that is unfair. >> david: miller -->> -- it nes to be fixed.
>> marie: when you talk about "good immigrants." >> david: people who are willing to work and assimilate to what this country is. it's that simple. >> marie: they give up their entire culture? >> david: no. assimilate so that we don't have the kind of situation they have in europe where people stay completely isolated in their own communities and don't assimilate in the culture. it's simple. >> marie: the language is charge and we need to be careful. >> harris: thank you for the team in the booth to let it breathe. i wanted to hear that. it's important to get there. meanwhile, the president is touting his popularity among republicans in tampa. it happened last night. whoo, it was fiery! the president plans to wade in a hotly contested special election. the high stakes for republicans in a race that could tell us a lot about the upcoming elections in november. stay close. don't you move. >> president trump: they just came out with the polls. did you hear? the most popular person in the
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candidates becoming evident and now he plans to jump into ohio special election amid g.o.p. concerns of a tightening race in a reliably republican house district. the president will travel there saturday to trump for balderson who is battling o'connor. a loss next tuesday could raise fears among the g.o.p. of democratic blue wave in november. david? >> david: in florida, nobody would agree with the president more than ron desantis who is doing everything -- he practically has trump tattooed on his forehead. ron desantis believes -- >> marie: it's on the shoulder. >> david: maybe. close to the forehead. he believes aligning himself with the president is the right strategy. not only for him. there is a very close senate race rick scott, the former governor of florida, is going against a try and true democrat who has been there
for a whale. bill nelson did have the lead. now rick scott has the lead. apparently allying yourself with the president as the president himself said is not a bad strategy. marie knows more about ohio. but florida, boy, it's not doing anybody any harm to ally themselves with the president. >> harris: i have two things to say quickly about florida. rick scott, you know, led the state at times like the pulse nightclub shooting. he has been there and had leadership through the moments. >> parkland. >> harris: sides on both political aisle sides say that he did a good job in those terms. so he has got his own to bring to the table. >> david: he does. and economically he helped the state. they have 300,000 new entries every year because people are flocking to the florida. >> harris: quickly, putnam in the race against desantis is someone we -- we had the
strategist on and it plays differently. >> marie: this is my home district. i grew up here for decades and it's a republican district. pat teaberry's old district. they sent trump and pence, the republicans are pouring in national money. this race for the republicans should not be that close. early ballots look good for the democrats. the polls of the likely voters have a democrat even or up. lisa, we talked about it earlier, this isn't a swing district. this is not one that democrats thought they could pick up. the fact it's so close should be a warning sign to some republicans. danny o'connor, i would point out, the democrat has pledged not to support nancy pelosi. he is one of the democrats in the midwest that said i'm not supporting pelosi. >> lisa: messed up in an interview recently where he was pressed on the issue and he eventually said he would vote for whoever the democrats put up, even if it's nancy
pelosi. >> marie: nancy or a republican. >> lisa: that is a big slip. the republicans have been trying to tie him to nancy pelosi so that will be used against him. but she is right. i'm nervous at looking at some of the special elections, the p.a. special election with connor lamb or arizona eight where debbie lesco. >> david: are you having another moment? this is the time you had a moment. >> lisa: i'm worried. the republicans have seen so many members leaving the open seats that are more difficult to win. i worry if the republican base is charged up or not which is back to my point regarding the immigration. it's part of president trump figuring out ways to get them excited. >> melissa: this is also why we see president trump out there and working so hard. i heard a poor misinformed person sitting around another network, i won't mention, saying what the president likes to do is campaign for the job but he doesn't like to actually do it. >> david: not true. he loves it. >> melissa: that's why we
see him out there campaigning. that's the fun. campaigning is hard and painful. he is doing it for someone else to help him have the numbers that he really needs. but this is something that is the responsibility of the person who is at the head of the party. lisa, tell me how important that is for the candidates. >> lisa: republicans have to do everything they can. they will have to work so much harder than democrats to turn out the base for the midterm elections. we have history against us. dems are in the minority so they are charged up. the president and the republicans will have to do everything they can to get folks to show up at the hold. >> david: does the g.o.p. hold the house? >> lisa: i don't know if we will lose the house but it's tough. >> melissa: we are awaiting the white house press briefing where we could hear more on the news that the president is considering raising a proposed new tariff on $200 billion on the chinese goods from 10% to 25%. we will bring it to you live.
democrats in search of someone who can beat the president in the 2020. the advice from the bernie sanders' former campaign manager and he says look to your left. whether that is the way to go, we will debate. let's take a look at some numbers:
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abysmal administration, we need to nominate progressive. the party needs to move in a bolder and more progressive direction. >> marie: i think i still have a 2016 hangover with the bernie sanders team and it's hard to listen to jeff weaver give my party advice on anything but i'll set it aside. i think what he says is interesting. what do you think? >> melissa: he might be right in the sense that you look at the candidates that are picking up momentum. i'm jealous. martha maccallum tonight on "the story" -- i saw an ad for it, so i hope i'm right -- sarah smith. she in the ninth district in washington state and somebody who is in the mold of ocasio-cortez in new york. young, millennial, dynamic. somebody who came up in the shadow of bernie sanders and backed by the same national organization that gave money here in new york. i just, i really think that going broad in anything
whether it's television or politics, doesn't work anymore. it's about being targeted, being specific. really firing up the people who believe in that. and that we are such a bifurcated society, set of viewers, whatever it is, you have to pick a lane and drive hard in it. i think they would be successful but you could have somebody who is moderate, who had an issue and was really dynamic. you know, it's just about you have to be on fire. >> lisa: i was going to tell marie to get a breakfast sands witch and a coffee for the hangover. >> marie: i need it! >> david: after a year and a half. >> lisa: you could see a socialist emerge in 2020. i think what we will see from democrats -- democrats -- >> marie: not for president. >> lisa: for the democratic primary. i think you have so many candidates running in 2020. one thing that democrats lost and we have seen in this election cycle they are not as good at maintaining the primaries. we have seen a more
progressive candidate enter the primaries. they used to be good to clear them out and now they are not as good. you could see democrats running. if you have people like corey gardner, kamala harris and what's her name from new york. kirsten gillibrand. who all represent this camp. >> marie: elizabeth warren. >> lisa: you could have somebody come up like you saw with trump outside the main stream and is unique. >> david: economics matter. >> harris: we are being shouted out on twitter. i said, there is a clip already, i said can democrats really fire up a base coming out of -- who is the base? and people are pointing out well, they had record numbers in certain areas. but it's not, as lisa is saying, it's not widespread. >> marie: there is a huge part of the democratic party is moderate. running in the midwest, running in the south and the plain states. my party will have a fight in 2020 for who we want to put forward. >> harris: that's what i
said! >> david: you go back and read some of what bill clinton was saying the last time he was running. a couple of years after that. talking about how the year of big government is over and everything. you put together also, you add that the history of the democrat, the moderate wing together with what the socialists are talking about. frankly the old democrats are more similar to republicans than the new democrats are to the old democrats. >> marie: all the parties are mixed up now. we are on that note awaiting comment from the white house about potential increase in tariff on chinese goods as part of the president's plan to end what he calls "abusive trade practices." why some are concerned about a trade war and how it could affect consumers and businesses up next.
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enforcement to try to figure that one out. and just don't want to go racking it through my brain thinking of what happened, what happened, what happened? just driving myself insane. because i know everybody else around here is. and you just got to lead by example and try to just let the law enforcement do their job. >> melissa: we'll have more from the exclusive interview in a live report from iowa that is coming up in the next hour of "outnumbered overtime" with harris. >> lisa: while we are awaiting the white house press briefing we expect to hear more on news the president considering plans to slap 25% tariff on $200 billion of chinese goods. a big jump from the initial proposal for 10% tariff. the tariffs target food products, chemicals, steel, aaluminum and a most of consumer products. is this enough to force china's hand? >> david: what is forcing china's hand is their economy is desperate right now. the markets are smashed. they were over blown before but they have come way down.
consumption is way down. people are eating at very minimalist levels down there. so they are not going to be importing much goods if we try to send them there. they are down. we are putting our foot on their neck. that is the trump approach is that while they are down we can get the concessions that the government, the communist chinese government has been so reluctant to give us. like forcing them to end this practice of stealing our technology as a price to pay for doing business in china. >> lisa: i know you are saying this is a negotiating tactic. i agree with that. but do you president trump had the meet withing the e.u. president -- i think last week. it moves fast these days. can president trump point to points on the board right now? >> melissa: he can say a lot of people said if you listen to him for a long time he really does believe in tariffs and he believes they work. he is trying to, you know, wall in the whole country both on the borders and economically. he has now demonstrated that
that is not what he is after. he has repeatedly said that what he wants is zero tariffs everywhere. he said it at the g7 and again with the e.u. that is a really hard thing to do because before we were allowing them to collect on us while we weren't collecting on them. so to get them to give that up, you have to recreate leverage where others before you have given all the leverage away. so it's not an easy job to do. but the one thing we know now for sure is what his intention sincerely is. >> lisa: president trump has gotten a lot of criticism on the tariff and the trade of late. but if his ultimate goal is to try to get concessions on the deals how else does he extract it with the tariffs? >> marie: we'll see if the theory is true. so far we don't have new trade deals. we have pulled out of some and we don't have anything new. no points on the board as you asked melissa about. you are hearing republicans in congress trying to take legislative action to force the president's hand on tariffs because not only do
they think it's bad economic policy, they think it's bad politics. if they have folks in the states soy bean farmers and people in the steel industry who have seen good economic news because of the tax cuts or the stock market and suddenly are hit with the tariffs that impact them, we have already seen it impacting farmers across the country. i think politically republicans are like hey, man, why are you doing this right before the midterms? you are hurting our own people with the tariffs and you are not getting anything done. they are not willing to give him unlimited time to negotiate new deals. >> lisa: staying on the politics. soy bean is north dakota's largest observation -- largest export. so you look at china exporting the soy bean to hurt trump in the districts and the states he has done well in. you are talking to people every day. what do you hear on that front? >> harris: on the front of talking to lawmakers in the states where they are hearing from the constituents. so the president may have thought he had some time with his base. he still does. but that is what i he threw
out the $12 billion safety net if you will. we have to wrap it up. we have breaking news. >> melissa: all right. so that white house briefing is set to start any moment now. when it starts we will go there live. we'll be right back. high protein
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has publicly verifiable information, tread lightly. don't go too fast around this corner. this may be someone trying to trip you up. on top of the mcgahn and cohen news, there have been a bunch of new developments today and into this evening including one that relates to this guy. remember this guy? he is the one person who has gone to prison already. actually served his custodial sentence in the russia scandal. his name is alex van der zwaan. he's a lawyer that served 30 days in federal lockup as punishment for lying to investigators about his role in one of paul manafort's foreign lobbying gigs. it has always been possible there was a big biographical coincidence about him. it is totally possible it's a coincidence. but one of the more intriguing details about him, who has
oligarchs. he described them as having a close relationship with putin. they said significant favors continue to be done in both directions. quote, still giving -- still giving informal advice to putin. especially on the u.s. so that's what's in the steel d dossier about alpha bank. they could each other favors. further, they maybe funneled money to putin in his st. petersburg days. this is not the world's most salacious stuff. but it has taken on a life of its own. republicans in congress, president trump, the white house more broadly, they have spent months trying to turn the steel dossier itself boo a huge scandal. it is against one serving justice department official. because bruce ohr's wife worked
at fusion gps. mr. ohr appears to have contact himself with christopher steel during the campaign. so house republicans have gone along with the attacks on the dossier, the attacks on anybody associated with the dossier, and they are now going i know what the attacks on the justice department official who the justice department has singled out as being connected to the dossier. house republicans have summoned bruce ohr. they threatened a subpoena but he will appear voluntarily. so there is been all this drama in the u.s. around the steele dossier. which continues to rattle around. but the other threatening action related to the steele dossier has been lawsuits. these lawsuits, like the one, filed by herman khan
and the other founders of alpha bank. today a judge dismissed the defamation lawsuits against christopher steele and orbis business intelligence. it was dismissed with prejudice which means the plaintiffs cannot bring it up again. so alpha bank. we still don't know if there was anything operational when it came to efforts to interfere in the 2016 election or any potential trump campaign involvement in that effort. we've seen no firm evidence but lots of suggestions about that possibility. we still don't know if it is just a coincidence. we still don't know if there's anything shady about the fact brian, hired by alpha bank to get them out of that russia related scandal ends up in a senior position at the u.s. justice department. but at least we do have this one
conclusive statement today. the effort to sue, to make their connection to the steele dossier go away. today that lawsuit failed in a way that seems quite definitive. >> the next person to go to prison in the trump scandal might be george papadopoulos. late friday we learned the special counsel recommended to the judge in this case that george papadopoulos should serve up to six months in prison. the actual recommendation range it was zero to six months in prison. the great lynn sweet at the "chicago sun times" report that george papadopoulos's lawyers intend to ask the judge in this case for zero jail time. the formal response to the sentencing recommendation is due at the end of next week. when you look at the sentencing recommendation for george papadopoulos from the special counsel's office, from the prosecutors, it was really not good for him. aside from the range of
potential prison time they are suggesting, the way they describe papadopoulos's behavior is not complimentary to him. it is not designed to put him in good stead in the eyes of the judge. the prosecutors told the court, the plea agreement entered into was not a standard cooperation agreement. prosecutors merely agreed to bring to the court's attention at sentencing the defendant's efforts to cooperate with the government. what prosecutors ended up bringing to the court's attention at sentencing was ten-page long list of ways in which george papadopoulos didn't help them out at all. quote, the defendant did not provide substantial assistance. the prosecutors later said that he lied over and over again in ways that materially hurt the government's case. quote, the defendant's crime was serious, both in terms of the underlying conduct and its effect on the investigation. the defendant knew the questions he was asked by the fbi were important and he knew his
answers were false at the time he gave them. his lies negatively affected fbi's russia investigation and prevented the fbi from effectively identifying and confronting witnesses in a timely fashion. they were not momentary lapses. he lied repeatedly over the course of more than two hours. the sentence imposed should reflect lying to federal investigators has real consequences. especially where the defendant lied to investigators about critical facts and an investigation of national importance. after having been explicitly warned that lying to the fbi is a federal offense. the nature and circumstances of the offense warrant a sentence of incarceration. so a couple things to watch. number one, this is the government emphatically saying, george papadopoulos should do jail time. according to lynn sweet's report, they said he shouldn't do any jail time at all.
but reference there that i read from the sentencing recommendation, this part here. the plea agreement entered into was not a standard cooperation agreement. that raises the possibility george papadopoulos may have some ongoing criminal liability here. this is not a recommendation that says, you know, listen, judge, our deal has been upheld on both sides. this guy was really helpful to us. not that. they're saying he didn't help us and he lied. this was not a formal agreement. we said we told the judge, if he helped us when it came time. they're saying, no, he didn't help us. the prospect of additional criminal liability. some indictment, some new indictment in the future. now that we know the government says he wasn't an earnest cooperator, that now looms over
this little part of this case. and the sense that there is something important unresolved and it comes to george papadopoulos was helped along by this public statement that he made today on twitter. 4:00 this afternoon. i'll quote it directly. quote, been a hell of a year. decisions. as a point of fact i'm not sure how many decisions he has to make. we'll get some expert advice on that in a moment. the last set of developments in today's news related to the scandal. centered around the campaign chairman, paul manafort, who incidentally, has a notable new neighbor. as of this weekend. in a move that was described as surprise to all involved friday night, look who moved in. accused russian foreign agent maria butina. on friday night was moved from the jail in d.c. where she was
held since she was arrested in july. they took her out of that jail friday night and brought her over to where paul manafort lives now which is the federal lockup in alexandria, virginia. the reason we have this unflattering picture of her is because i think she's been moved to that new facility in virginia. you see the alexandria sheriff's office. i think we get mug shots from that facility. that's why we've got paul manafort's mug shot, too. she hasn't been convicted of anything. she's being held in jail before her trial because prosecutors thought she would be a flight risk. basically, they argued to the judge that the russians would spirit her out of the country before she cover face charges if the judge left her out on the street. that's why she has not been let out on the street. but now for whatever reason, they have moved her from one
lockup to another. that means she's only about two blocks away from where paul manafort's trial has been underway in virginia. that's not the courthouse where she'll be tried. she'll be tried in washington, d.c. we know it is not unheard of for people waiting to end up in this virginia jail instead. and it is surprising that nobody knows why she was moved. according to her lawyer, neither she nor her lawyer had any notice before it happened 40 night. her attorney said, i got a collect call. i was discon nkted before i would speak. he visited her this morning. she was not in, i am still unaware of the reason. we contacted him today to see if he had learned today why his client was moved from d.c. to virginia.
he told us, quote, no news. i have no answers yet. you can ask the marshals service. it is their call. we did ask the marshals service and they didn't call us back. surprise! if we do get a call back from them, i will let you know. there's no reason to think that they'll have contact with each other while they're in the same jail but it is weird that they are now both in the same jail. in terms of paul manafort's case, we are expecting to get prosecutors' list of evidence that they planned to use against manafort in his next criminal trial due to start next month in federal court in d.c. the evidence list has been described as containing over 1,000 items. the deadline for the list is to be made public, is that it should be made public tomorrow. that should be a big long list. it should be a very interesting window into what paul manafort's next prosecution might look like.
and meanwhile, we're still waiting on the jury and his first felony trial. the jury considering manafort's fate in virginia, they deliberated all day thursday, they deliberated all day friday. the judge sent them home over the week. they've deliberated all day today. at 4:49 today, the judge announced the jury would stay late. last week they broke at 5:00. today, they asked to deliberate until later. they wanted to stay deliberating until at least 6:15 p.m. maybe they might be planning to release a verdict on manafort tonight. that turned out not to be the case. the court reconvened after 6:00 and many the judge announced, once again no verdict. they will come back tomorrow to start deliberating again at 9:30 in the morning. so two questions.
first of all, with a jury deliberating over the course of nine hours today and 24 hours in total. is that starting to feel like a watching the jury as they go on for the long stretches, not asking questions anymore, like they did on the first day, do you find that to be heartening or disheartenning, or do we not know. consecuti -- second question, last question. is it weird that the jury is like, on the loose, out in the wild? not sequestered, they are sent home every night. they were sent home for the whole weekend t judge himself suggested that the jurors may be reasonably afraid for their own safety. he stated in court, he received
threats in the case, he has decided to not release the jurors' names, but he allowed courtroom artists to show us what they look like and they are ming he wi-- and they are minge with the public, and with the media, and anybody that has business at the courthouse. meanwhile, with the jurors on the loose, despite the fact that the judge is talking about the potential danger that they are in. he is admonishing them. there's an unusual amount of ambient noise and pressure on this case. on which these jurors are deliberating. from the start of the trial, the president of the united states has made public statements praising the department.
every day, 2, thre3, 4, 5, 6 tia day, the president makes statements denouncing the prosecution in the case. and he has been praising the defendant, and denouncing the prosecution, he daily denounces the special council's office, in terms that are so stark that it may be tough for the jurors to avoid it. calling them angry democrat thugs that are ruining people's lives. saying it's a rigged investigation. the president deriding robert mueller and the special council's office is deriding the prosecution in the case. presidents have avoided weighing in on pending criminal cases to avoid the appearance of influence on jury deliberations or any other aspect of a pending case. in this case, with had this president -- with this
president, it's the opposite. he is absolutely trying to influence the case. and i know it is rare to sequester a jury to put a jury in a hotel and not give them contact with their homes or the outside world until they have a verdict. i know it's rare to do that. but given the very unusual firehose of public invecta from the sitting president of the united states, clearing trying to influence the verdict of the jury, is this one of those rare case where is the jury should have been sequestered in joining us now is barbara mcquaid, barbe, thank you so much, it's nice to see you. >> oh, my pleasure to be here. nice to see you. >> i believe, and again, i don't know the things. it's my impression that it's a rare thing for a jury to be sequestered but judges do order it when there's a high profile
case or the jurors have a particularly high risk that they will not be able to avoid media exposure or pressure on their to he poe verdict, is that true? >> it's rare that a jury is sequestered. i have not seen it in federal court, but i've seen it in the state high profile cases. the bill cosby, and o.j. simpson, there's a few where there's high profile cases. but one difference between state court and federal court proceedings, they are not televised, you are not going to see television tofootage of the trial, it's expensive and the other reason, you do not want to punishes pressu-- you don't wan put pressure on juries to want to get home. so, aside from that, the expense. i have never seen it done in federal court. >> and in terms of the president's remarks on this
case, i see his remarks here as being so starkly positive toward the defendant's lamenting what he describes as mistreatment, and unfair prosecution of the defendant and of course, his h withering attacks against the prosecutors, those look like the kind of statements from a president that may be designed to influence a jury's verdict. what can the judge do, other than instructing the jury to not pay attention to it to protect them from those kind of pressures? >> the judge does give that instruction, a standard instruction, when i was in the court, he gave it every day, not to read anything in the media and discuss anything in the case. there's case law that says the jurors are prezsumed to follow the instructions, unless proved otherwise. if they do get inadvertently exposesed to something. they are expected to self
report. there's four alternates in the case. if someone came in and s-- and said, i was home and saw this on the television, they could be replaced with an alternate. but i think a judge would likely ask them, what did you hear? has it influenced you? can you set it aside and decide the case based on the facts and the law that you hear in the court? most people can say yes, can i set it aside. so, you know, certainly they are highly inflammatory and highly irregular. the prosecutors are not allowed to say anything about the guilt of -- it's shocking that a president would say these things about a criminal defendant. >> one last question for you, barb, what do you make of the length of time that the jury is deliberating? >> it's not cause for concern yet. it's the case that the longer a jury deliberates the more likely there is that there's a hung
juror or a hold out. i don't think we have gone on that long yet. they say it's usually a day of deliberation for every week of testimony, with the complexity of the case and the fact that the judge did not allow the prosecutors to always publish or display the documents at the time they were discussed and he would say, they can look at it later, is causing a lengthier deliberation. you know, he speeded up the trial, the cost is the longer deliberation. >> and we end up on the edge of our seat. busy monday night, stay with us. i just switched to geico and got more. more? got a company i can trust. that's a heck of a lot more.
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this follows same contours of what was reported a couple weeks ago by the "wall street journal." now "the new york times" has the story, too, as does the associated press. all of these stories have the same basic contours. and none of that is the same as us seeing a real live indictment. but it does at least mean there's a big pile of credible corroborating reporting that all lays out the same potential charges against cohen. if it is true about what michael cohen will be charged with, then first question is, oh, yeah? show me. when is this going to happen? second question is, is michael cohen talking with prosecutors about a potential cooperation deal to lessen his legal jeopardy to help prosecutors with information that they could use in other cases? that's what everybody is watching.
i'm not going to give you, we're chasing that story as hard as everybody is. everybody is chasing the same story. that potential drama of the president's white house counsel don mcgahn and his personal lawyer michael cohen, not just getting lawyers themselves but potentially enthusiastic witnesses in cases involving the president? yeah. there's a reason everybody is chasing this story so hard. but here is something specific to consider. late last week, there document was filed in federal court in manhattan. just two pages. from the special master who was hired by the court to review evidence that was seized from michael cohen's home. his home and his office and his hotel newsroom april. the special master was appointed by the court to check all the documents that were seized to make sure they were not covered by attorney-client privilege. and if they were not, then he would hand them over to special
prosecutors to review for charges against michael cohen. well, in this last little filing, from the special master late last week, the special master, this retired judge, gives a final accounting of just how many documents and files she found to be covered by attorney-client privilege. bottom line is not many. a found thousand out of millions of documents taken. but look at this. a special master also says, there was one thing that i couldn't ever review. i could never look to see whether it was covered by attorney-client privilege. just one. michael cohen's encrypted black berry. she said she never got and its contents on review because apparently they don't have the password to the black berry. so the special master said in this filing, if down the road the government does manage to crack it open, they'll to have
use a filter team at the u.s. attorney's office and check to it see if any of the stuff is privileged. and she hopes that's okay. because she's done now. she's wrapped up her work so that's the one outstanding matter. that still hand been taken care of. you'll to have deal with it some other way. here my question. nearly five months into the michael cohen saga, prosecutors still don't have the password to his blackberry? why have i read 5,000 articles in which michael cohen has given every conceivable signal that he wants to cooperate. that all this gossip and spin he is desperate to help prosecutors any way he can. if so, shouldn't michael cohen be sky writing his blackberry password over sdny headquarters? if they need that password, that's the one bit of his files and documents they haven't reviewed. the stuff on that blackberry. if they need and it they don't have it, isn't that a clear sign the two sides are not talking? or at least if they are talking, he's not helping.
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hero in the press? how come he is so good at getting a heroic look at his stoic forebearance into the papers? how has he managed to get so many stories into the newspapers in which he alone, he bravely is secretly the real american hero? don mcigan is reported to have been the one who calmed the president down after rob mueller was appointed. so the president didn't do something truly crazy. don mcgahn has threatened to resign rather than fire robert mueller, which the president had ordered him to do. do you think the white house weirdly mishandled the firing of mike flynn after they were warned? no, no. he didn't mismanage anything. he reportedly warned the white house about the lying of michael flynn right away. he was right on top of it.
don mcigan shows up in the press as hanging in there through the chaos, self-lessly pulling back from quitting, hanging in there to take care of the country's needs despite really being pushed around by the president in an unfair way. i don't know who one day will pay the part familiar with his thinking when the movie is made of all this but the role is getting larger every day. this tweaked "times" reported that don mcgahn has cooperated extensive when i the robert mueller inquiry. he sat with investigators over 30 hours in the last nine months. he laid out how the president tried ensure the investigation though never going beyond his legal authorities. and yes, the white house may be a little freaked out to realize
they had no idea don mcigan had talked so much. they had no idea that in the 30 hours of testimony, that he don mcgahn had no choice but to selflessly give. the legal team told the lawyers he would have resigned if he thought he had witnessed the president committing a crime. the source tell nbc, there's no way of knowing how his testimony may fit with any other evidence that the mueller investigation has collected. the mystery, the secret heroism keeps growing by the hour. there are a few lumps in the ointment though. hold that thought.
my dad- he always gave me two pieces of advice. one was to always be humble. and the second was to always do the right thing. now that i'm the new ceo of uber, i've taken that advice to heart. and i'm using that advice to change our company. moving forward, we're taking into consideration what's good for our driver partners, our riders, and the cities that we operate in. and it's going to make us a much, much better service. i was 2 1/2 weeks old at the time so it is not like remember this from experience. but i almost feel like i do. this part of the story now so much a part of how we think about how things blow up in american politics when they blow up really badly. i was 2 1/2 weeks old. this was april 19, 1973. >> the statement issued today by john dean, the white house counsel, caught everybody by
surprise. specially white house. it was really not a statement. it was a warning to the people dean works for. anybody who knows me, anybody who knows the true facts about watergate, knows better than to try to make a scapegoat out of me. that was dean's statement and the implication was that he has a lot of unspilled beans the spill if he is forced to spill them. the white house's comment, nobody is trying the make anybody a scapegoat. we're just trying to get to the truthful he made his statement without notifying anybody at the white house in advance and the white house was obviously shocked. the press secretary asked if dean is stale mental in good standing of the white house team would say only that he is in his office. he has not resigned. he has not been fired. this could be the case for some time to come but it is clear that from now on, john dean is white house counsel in name only. nbc news at the white house. >> 11 days after that warning shot from then white house counsel john dean, president
richard nixon fired him. and nixon's supporters immediately began pointing to john dean as the person who everybody should blame for the whole watergate scandal and the whole cover-up. it should all be on dean's head. not the president's. that didn't work out well. but now we've got a current president of the united states talking about john dean in public, calling him a rat for having testified against nixon 45 years ago. and we've got the current white house counsel also citing the example of john dean. basically to say, he is trying avoid john dean's ultimate fate in watergate which is yeah, maybe now he's remembered as a hero, or a rat, depending on how you look it a. but at the time john dean went to prison. both sides are sort of misremembering how things worked out for john dean. michael beschloss is here next to sort it out.
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involved, that he did not realize or appreciate at any time the implications of his involvement. and i think that when the facts come out, i hope the president is forgiven. >> john dean followed that assertion with a 245 page statement that took all day to read, crammed with quotes, dates, memoranda and detailed recollections of talks with the president. >> a 245 page statement that he read outloud. nixon's white house counsel john dean had decided early on in the watergate scandal that nixon was going to try to make him the scapegoat. once he figured that out, he made 180 degree turn. he went straight to federal prosecutors. he told them he would cooperate with them fully. by the time nixon fired john dean from the white house counsel's job, dean had already for weeks been helping prosecutors on watergate.
so with this new reporting over the past couple of days that the current white house counsel has spoken for 30 hours with special counsel robert mueller, the president now is literally launching a new attack on john dean saying that dean was a rat for testifying against nixon back in the day. but the current white house counsel john mcgahn is in here of dean's legacy. he says he's determined to not have john dean's fate. he was prohibited from practicing law. that is what compelled him to cooperate with robert mueller. that's become the blueprint for this dynamic we have been watching unfold. is the white house counsel right to worry about john dean's fate? will testifying now help him avoid that fate?
and is the president right to be concerned about rats? joining us now the nbc news presidential historian. it is great to have you with us tonight? >> thanks, rachel. good to see you. >> the president today called john dean a rat. when dean came forward in 1973, what did nixon supporters do in response? how was he treated at the time? >> well, when he testified before the senate, as you were just showing and said that nixon was central to the coverup, a lot of nixon people were very angry. but what amazes me, rachel, is that if we were to talk to any president from gerald ford all the way through barack obama and say what do you think of john dean? they would have said a flawed person but ultimately a hero of watergate because he helped to expose richard nixon. this is another sign of this weird time we're living through that the current president,
donald trump, was use a word like rat. >> one of the things we're watching unspool now in this story is that nobody is quite sure whether or not don mcgahn acted heroically or whether he had to talk to the special counsel. did john dean at white house counsel have a choice in terms of whether he was going to cooperate? he worried he was going to get blamed and this was his effort to get out ahead of it. but how much of a choice did he have? >> in the end probably not much. you were so right tonight to say be very cautious about what we're hearing from the outside. in dean's case he knew he was central to the coverup. he knew nixon was trying to make him the scapegoat and blame watergate on him. when dean started talking to
people in the legal process, he did two things that ultimately were crucial. number one, he gave them information that showed that not only should they be investigating the watergate break-in, which is what they had been focussed on, but they should also look at nixon in terms of obstruction of justice that shifted the investigation. ultimately, obstruction of justice was article number one of the bills of impeachment that would have been voted against nixon. the other thing dean did was he said when i was talking to nixon nixon would say things like, well, i didn't do such and such, did i, john? it sounded as maybe i was being taped. that caused them to be aware of the possibility that there would be tapes that would show the real story. >> dean's recollections about the way nixon talked to him was a signal essentially to investigators that there were tapes they should look for. >> they were looking very hard and finally, alexander
butterfield knew about that, was approached by investigators for the senate watergate committee. he was the one that revealed those tapes to the public. ultimately, they brought nixon down. >> thank you, my friend. great to have you here. >> thank you. be well. >> thank you. stay with us.
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considered. otherwise have done it and it's shown to make the lives of sex workers safer. back when he was asked in march, he said he didn't have an answer for that. that's going to wrap up this hour. i'll see you tomorrow morning on "today." "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. big mistake, president trump with a stern message for iran after iran shoots down an unmanned american drone in what the u.s. is calling an unprovoked attack over international waters and iran claims violated their airspace. >> these are very precisely guided, unmanned, run by high tech computers. i would bet almost anything that was in international airspace. >> i think it's a dangerous situation. high tension wires are up in the region. >> we expect to hear from president trump this hour. no apologies. joe biden standing by his controversial comments about working with segregationist
senators in the past. cory booker is demanding he apologize. >> apologize for what? >> booker has called for it. >> cory should apologize. he knows better. there's not a racist bone in my body. i've been in civil rights my whole career, period, period, period. and he's back. former alabama judge roy moore about to announce whether he's going to make another run for the senate despite failing in 2017 because of sexual abuse allegations and other controversies. >> i believe in the second amendment. good day everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we expect to hear mr. the president at any moment as he meets with canada's prime minister justin trudeau today. this as tensions are increasing after iran shot down an unmanned u.s. drone, a $120 million global hawk near the strait of
hormuz overnight. iran says the drone violated iranian airspace. u.s. officials contend the drone was flying in international airspace. the president just wrapped up a meeting with his national security team and congressional leaders are also being briefed. we have it all covered for you from the middle east from the white house to capitol hill. nbc's courtney kube in the united arab emirates. nbc's kristen welker at the white house. retired army kerr nall jack jacobs and democratic congresswoman chrissy houlihan who served on the armed services and foreign affairs committees. welcome all. courtney, first to you, there in the uae, obviously tensions were escalati escalating. we know about the tanker attacks. iran's denials, the u.s. claims. the only issue here is where was that unarmed predator, whether it was in international airspace or over iran as iran contends. >> as you mentioned, the united
states says it was in international airspace. iran says it drafted into iranian airspace. what this could be is an issue that frequently comes up here that iran believes it controls more area in the air and at sea in the strait of hormuz outside the 12 nautical mile line that most of the international community recognizes and international airspace and waterways. you mentioned this comes at a time when the tensions here are very high between the united states and iran. this shootdown of this drone is the first direct time in this tension that began in early may where, in fact, the iranian military, the revolutionary guard core acknowledges a direct attack on the u.s. military. there have been three times in recent days where u.s. drones have been targeted, one time in early june was by houthi rebels, they shot down a u.s. drone. another time what is believed to be an iranian guard core ship
shot at a u.s. drone but missed it. the fact that this global hawk, which is a high altitude reconnaissance unmanned drone, the fact it was struck and shot down is a new level of escalation in these tension, andrea. >> the existence of these drones tell us a lot about all the slade i don't of the tankers as well because these are basically surveillance. they can be used offensively or defensively, but basically there for surveillance over the strait which is the key stroet stroke point. kristen welker at the white house, the president is going into a meeting. prime minister trudeau to arrive at the west portico very shortly. the president owes posture here. we know there's been some disgleemt among his advisers, pompeo, others, hawks arguing for diplomacy. what do we expect? >> andrea, we just got a tweet
from president trump who said iran made a very big mistake. so that's his direct response to everything courtney is reporting on. what is he going to do about it? that is the question. that's the topic of that meeting that you just talked about. here at the white house with the national security team. president trump, as you mentioned, about to meet with prime minister justin trudeau. so i can tell you that my other teammates out, about to shout questions to president trump to try to get some specific answers about how he's going to handle this. we know that president trump has been resistant to get engaged in foreign engagements. he has been signaling that, andrea. he was asked about these mounting tensions between the u.s. and iran overnight on fox news. he said don't worry about it, everything is under control. recently when he was asked whether he was poised to take any military action against iran, president trump said, look, he would do that if he felt there was an eminent nuclear threat.
however, he signaled he's not prepared to take any military action at that point for any of these other types of incidents that they've been tracking here. now, again, as the calculation changed in the wake of what happened, this is again a new provocation by iran based on how the white house perceives it. we know they're trying to determine exactly what they will do and what the response will look like, andrea. >> kristen, the president was tweeting about the big mistake. i wanted to play something, lindsey graham speaking on capitol hill. listen to this. >> so here is what iran needs to get ready for, severe pain inside their country, that their capabilities pale in comparison to ours. we won't let them disrupt navigation of the see, attack our allies with u.s. interests without paying a price. if they're itching for a fight, they're going to get there.
>> how close are we to doing that? >> we're a lot closer today than yesterday. only god knows what tomorrow brings. >> kristen, i think that happened so briefly ago that this was after they were briefed. he is the chairman of the armed services, as you well know. nancy pelosi said this gang of eight, the so-called leaders, leadership in the key committees was going to be expanded to a gang of 20 perhaps. they've been briefed on exactly what happened when he responded. kristen. >> i think that's right. we know senator graham is going to be heading here to the white house to meet with president trump as well. our kelly o'donnell reporting that. so clearly he is sending a very strong signal that they are looking at some type of retaliatory action. what will that look like? how robust will it be? as you point out, there are divisions here behind the scenes -- >> kristen, let me point out. you're right inside there. justin trudeau standing with the president in the west politico. let me pause and see if there's a question.
they've turned and gone in. we will hear from them, i would suspect, you know better than i, kristen, being right there. the pool will be brought in and we'll see whether he answers questions there. as you were just saying, we have to see what kind of possible retaliation might take place. what secretary pompeo said was that, if they hit one u.s. service member, they would expect action. they've now hit an unmanned $120 million drone and the argument is, of course, a dispute over exactly where it took place. kristen. >> right. as you can see behind me, the report evers rushing past. that is because they're now going to go to the oval office where that bilateral meeting is poised to take place between president trump and prime minister trudeau. as you pointed out, that would be an opportunity for the press to be closer to the president and try to get some questions to him about all of this. what specifically would any type of retaliatory action look like?
that has to be at the top of the list of questions that president trump is preparing to answer. will he answer those questions? administration officials not giving us any definitive answer. they certainly have been signaling that obviously that's going to be the president's first real opportunity to respond to this. i think it's worth underscoring, there have been divisions within this administration. national security adviser john bolton typically more hawkish when it comes to responding to these types of provocations. you can see the u.s. press corps now following head back as we speak for that meeting to take place in the oval office. hopefully we'll be getting a readout of what the president and prime minister have to say any minute now. andrea, this is, of course, all taking place just as you have acting defense secretary, patrick shanahan, who was in that meeting today, poised to depart, and the incoming acting defense secretary esper going to take his place. there's no official person in that role right now as the
president navigates this foreign policy challenge. >> i know mark esper, the new anding defense secretary is supposed to take over officially as acting on monday. kerchl jack jacobs, as kristen stands by waiting for the president to make any comments that he does make, i want to also bring up foreign minister zarif has tweeted as well saying the u.s. wages economic terrorism on iran, has conducted covert action against us and now encroaches on our territory. we don't seek war but will zealously defend our skies, land and waters. we'll take this new aggression to the un and show that the u.s. is lying about international waters. jack, i can think back to 1987 when it was ronald reagan and we
were escorting ships through the strait of hormuz which is that choke point. this is the kind of tension we've seen before. it's a real test of a commander-in-chief. >> what's really interesting, it was brought up earlier and it bears repeating, there's a break somewhere in the administration between the president who is less hawk wish aish and some of advisers including mike pompeo, secretary of state and john bolton, the national security adviser, who wants to bring iran to its knees as best as it can using any means possible. i think the president is disinclined to do anything. you can tell by what happened out there, we have the capability of determining where a missile comes from as it is launched before it even hits the target. indeed we have surveillance -- >> jack, as you can tell, this is a breaking news day.
congresswoman as well, the pentagon beginning a briefing. let's go to that and hear if we get an update. everybody stand by. thanks. >> -- fired from a location in the vicinity of boruk, iran. this was an unprovoked attack on a u.s. surveillance that had not violate airspace at any time during its mission. this attack is an as attempt to disrupt our ability to monitor the area following recent threats to international shipping and the free flow of commerce. iranian reports this was shot down over iran are categorically false. the aircraft was over the strait of hormuz and fell into international waters. at the time of the intercept, the rq4 was operating at high
altitude, approximately 34 kilometers from the nearest point of land on the iranian choice. this dangerous and escalatory attack occurred in established air quarters between dubai and muscat, possibly endangering innocent civilians. thank you. >> colonel jack jacobs, you just heard that audio briefing from the air base. let's talk about what your interpretation of this. i was going to ask you, what are the chances that a global hawk could drift into iranian airspace? >> well, anything is possible, but it's highly unlikely. these will very closely monitored and controlled. we can determine its location down to less than a meter, very, very close to where it is.
there's very little doubt in anybody's mind that this was, in fact, in the middle of the straits, already recognized as a safe passage area. i think it's interesting to note that the attack took place at all when iran would prefer not to engage the united states, and yet the attack occurred i think principally because the revolutionary guard corps wants to follow its own path and own course, thus the attack on the ships in the straits earlier this week and this attack on the aircraft today. but it points out something else, too. it points out that there's a split also in the administrat n administration, because the rules of engagement were such that we did not immediately respond to the launch, otherwise we would have attacked before the missile even hit the global hawk if it was pointed toward it because we can tell when the
missiles are being prepared for launch, when they're launched before they hit the target, and we can also respond obviously after it hits the target, and yet, we did not respond and we didn't respond because probably the president of the united states with the chain of command sent rules of engagement down that said we would not respond, very much different probably than if john bolton had been in charge or even mike pompeo had been in charge. what's left now is the opportunity to use a wide variety of means to make life a little more difficult for iran including exactly the thing they want to avoid and that's further economic strictures. still we have the capability of attacking on iranian soil, but it's unlikely that we're going to be doing that, andrea. >> that's such valuable insight. courtney kube, before you have to go to another deployment there, let's talk about that.
that can certainly indicate that the rules of engagement are a moderated response, moderated eggsing lags. it reflects the president's thinking, certainly and perhaps not the thinking of his national security adviser. >> tlaert, andrea. look how the u.s. military has responded as the tensions and really what's become a game of chicken has continued to go on. first the u.s. surged an aircraft carrier headed to the region. they accelerated the deployment, they brought in additional bombers, additional defense aircraft, additional troops and some patriots. the majority of the u.s. military response so far has been a combination of sending a message to iran to show they have a strong presence in the region with the hope it would be about deterring iran from continuing any kind of provocations, just to stop iran from any kind of attacks.
what iran seems to be doing here is both through proxies and through the iranian revolutionary guard corps, taking these provocations and attacks right up to the line where it would potentially warrant a u.s. military response. look at the at statacks against saudi arabia, united states allies, commercial shipping like the tankers in the gulf of oman last week. i went to one of the tankers, the courageous, and saw the blast holes in the side of it up close. i can tell you that the blast in it, it barely made -- it was a large hole but it was not going to sink that vessel. it seems as if these provocations and attacks by iran are to send a message just as much as the u.s. military deployments are to send a message of deterrence. >> courtney kube, so interesting. i want to point out, also, for everyone that as the president was walking in with prime minister trudeau, there was a
shouted question which we could not hear. it was a response to iran and the president mouthed the words, not audibly, you'll soon find out. with that on the table, congresswoman houlihan, you've heard all of what colonel jack said and courtney kube and kristen welker. you're on armed services, you're a u.s. veteran. what's your response to what seems to be a very calibrated escalation from iran and counteractions from the u.s. and what some would say and certainly zarif's argument would be the sanctions are aggressive, but also the decision last month for the u.s. to designate the revolutionary guard as a terror group. that was unprecedented. many believe that unleashed them and gave them the power to take actions that perhaps zarif and others in the region do not want. >> yes, thank you for having me.
it has been an interesting conversation to listen to unfold. as we can agree, iran is not a great actor in the world and we should be very cautious about them. but even within the conversation we just listened to, there's been disagreement on what the administration would do, what the administration is thinking. if we're concerned and confused -- i serve not only on armed services but also on foreign affairs, here in congress and hear in washington, then i can only imagine what can be the confusion overseas as well. that's very, very worrisome. i would encourage the president not only debrief the g 9, but also bring this to the congress as is his responsibility, to make sure we have all the information we need to understand what exactly has transpired in the last few days and months so we can make good decisions on behalf of the people of the united states. >> there's, in fact, a nato defense minister's meeting coming up and the soon-to-be acting secretary of defense may be attending that.
we have so many vacancies. even the acting chief of staff with no experience on this issue tells you a lot about chain of command and the advice the president may or may not be getting. >> i'm worried, as you mentioned, we may be stumbling our way into an unintentional war. we need to be deliberative and thoughtful. at this point in time i think both sides are behaving poorly without a whole lot of thought process into why it is we're doing this. both sides seem to be very significantly stating they're not interested in a war, and at the same time we seem to be escalating. >> with this confusion overseas and we're waiting to see whether we present evidence about the location of the global hawk to the united states nations and to allies. with all this confusion that you point out and the confusion of the american people, should the president at this stage -- we're more than a month into this escalation with iran -- should he address the nation? >> i would like to just in the beginning see him -- not him
personally, but address the congress. i'm looking forward to a briefing next week. my understanding a closed door sci briefing on what has transpired so congress can see the evidence of what is going on. right now i think that's where we should be beginning the process, is engaging the congress in something that may end up being another war. >> chrissy houlihan from foreign affairs and armed services and air force veteran, one of a number of new members of congress with a lot of military experience. it's great to have you here today. thank you very much. >> thank you. appreciate it. what is the message iran is trying to send? kristen welker, let's talk about the pool. >> we're getting our first pool report of what's happening inside the oval office. president trump reiterating iran made a very bad mistake. he also said the drone was in international waters clearly. he says it's documented. he was asked about what the response would look like, the president saying obviously you know we're not going to be
talking about that too much. you'll find out. so really underscoring that initial tweet that we saw from president trump today, making it very clears it is the administration's position that that drone was in international airspace, not flying in iran's airspace. again, when pressed on what specifically the response would look like, the president reiterating you'll soon find out. so continuing to dangle that possibility, clearly discussions going on here behind the scenes about what, if any, response the administration will take. we underscore what we heard from lindsey graham, very strong rhetoric from senator lindsey graham who will be meeting with president trump today and signaling there will be some type of response, andrea. >> joining us now, kristen, msnbc political analyst jonathan lamb mere, white house reporter for the associated press. jonathan, we believe the president is taking questions from the pool. that is not live so we'll get that turned around as soon as we know more about it.
this is the first time we can see there a photo from inside the oval office with justin trudeau. as you know very well, the president's relationship with justin trudeau has been contentious over trade more than nipping else, but also now as a nato ally and as someone keenly interested in this mutual defense and in the iran situation. they've got to be talking, first of all, about iran today. >> yes. i'll following along with the pool reports from our colleagues inside the oval office at this moment. you're right about the relationship with the prime minister of canada. trade is certainly a source of that tension. but the idea -- foreign policy as well. ncaa toe certainly with the u.s. and president trump believing that so many of those members nations aren't paying their fair share in trump's belief towards the mutual defense pact. the president has at times been reluctant to support arco five which is, of course, the clause of nato that would insist that
one member would come to the aid of another if one were to be attacked. the u.s. has an international credibility problem in that they need to -- if indeed they're saying iran is behind these attacks, they need to be able to prove it on the world stage. i think a number of american ally, even some of the traditional western allies like canada, really need to be persuaded. they're not going to take the u.s.'s word for it, not just because of what happened in the iraq war, but more so the credibility this administration has and more particularly this president has. there's going to be a little lift here for the u.s. if they want to take this further and get international support. the president according to what we're seeing is being very coy in the oval office, not telegraphing what the united states response will be here many iran. he is saying the drone was over international waters. he's saying you will soon see
what we warrant to do. he's insisting iran made a mistake and saying that that nation has changed since trump took office, in particular because of the sanctions that this administration has placed on the country but also the president's own rhetoric towards tehran. >> jonathan, as you've been pointing out, we're getting snippets of notes from the pool. joining us now as well, msnbc political analyst michael steele, former republican national committee chairman. we don't know exactly the context of this because he's talked about iran and the pool report said that he said it's hard to think it was intentional. i want to be careful about that, because i'm not seeing it myself. so let's not go there. he started out talking about the economy and trade and the booming economy, markets up. that partly on the feg signal yesterday perhaps. we don't know about that. he's been beating up on the fed. he's getting back to his -- what his advisers had hoped would be
his reelect mode talking more about the economy than some of these glooef vances, michael. this escalation in iran is front and center right now. >> it is front and center. i think it's sort of a try angulation, if you will, by the president and his team to pivot to the economic stuff as they want him to do and the party broadly wants him to talk about the good economic numbers, the hesitation by the fed to advance additional increases in the interest rates out there. then to have this foreign policy piece which goes beyond north korea, beyond russia, into something that has been nagging americans since 1979, and that is fundamental relationship between iran and the united states. he, the president can make the kaerks i pulled o case, we cannot trust them, they're not honest brokers. they have not been, they will not be.
we'll do these agreements such as they are, on our terms. we'll first hold them accountable and keep them honest. how that plays out stla teamingicly particularly in the middle east i think is up for grabs right now. the president feels he's in a good position to make this case and to push that iranian button at this particular time, because what's the downside in his perspective? politically it's good. republicans in the house and the senate are largely going to stand with him, even democrats will be hesitant to second-guess him on this. he's positioned the argument well for himself at the moment. >> this seems to be a note from the pool saying the president said it could have been someone who was loose and stupid who shot the u.s. drone down. the president in this meeting, and we'll get the tape shortly. the pool is coming out with that tape to play it back for all of us, seems to be giving iran, the regime, the political side of
iran the benefit of the doubt. we know there were iranian proxies as well as the military part of iran, the revolutionary guard, that has been specifically isolated and sanctioned by the united states. >> or andrea, he could be saying see how uncontrollable things are in iran, see how loose they are. they cannot control their own actors and so, yeah, i think that cuts both ways again for the president, where he can give iran a cover and come back and say some rogue person hit the wrong button, or this is an illustration by the president of eye iran needs to be checked because things are so disabled -- unstable in the country. >> apparently, colonel jack, this is exactly part of what you were saying earlier. the president has said it could have been someone under the command of the iranian government, but someone loose
and stupid, not following orders. so he seems to be trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. as you pointed out, we did not see an immediate military response. as you also pointed out, the u.s. could have intercepted those strikes before it hit our global hawk. >> there's something else to keep in mind. we have a tendency to look at everybody else as being homogeneous, particularly our enemies. it's not homogeneous thinking over there in iran. i think there's at least some gulf between the thinking of rouhani who runs the political operation on the one hand and the revolutionary guards. there's a real dynamic tension over there. it's entirely possible that the revolutionary guards were acting on their own without collection from the mullahs or from rouhani. it rarely pays to be precipitous
when you know your enemy is not making homogeneous decisions and executing them to achieve some specific purpose. so there is some indication looking at it from this distance that it's entirely possible that it was an independent decision on the part of the revolutionary guard because that sort of stuff has been done before by them. i think our administration is going to give them an opportunity to explain themselves. and one other thing. we have lots of ways to retaliate and they do not include the use of the military instrument of power, economic instrume instruments, cyber instruments and so on. it remains to be seen what it is that we're going to do. it's not likely to be a counterstrike. >> colonel jack, with us as well. jonathan lemire and kristen
welker. we can see the president has said trump has called the shooting a new fly in the ointment. he said he does not feel his administration is pushing him towards conflict and in some cases it's just the opposite, that it could have been someone who was loose and stupid. we just reported that. as to whether he's open to talking with iran, he said let's see what happens. he said it would have made a big difference if there was a person inside. kristen? >> i think it's significant, an three yeah, you hear the president saying it would have made a big difference if this drone had been manned. that sort of underscores part of where we began this conversation which is that secretary of state mike pompeo has indicated that any military strike would first require someone on the u.s. side to be attacked, to be harmed. so you have the president essentially underscoring the fact that this was an unmanned
drone, making the case that it was over international waters and saying that he doesn't believe this was intentional. still, andrea, clearly the u.s. sees this as a provocation and a sign of the fact that tensions are mounting between these two countries. what are they going to do about it? as colonel jack has said, they do have a range of different ways to respond in their back pocket. that undoubtedly is what was discussed by the national security team when they met earlier today. what have they determined? it is possible the president was presented with a range of different options. that's the likeliest scenario, and now it's going to be up to him to decide what, if any, response the administration is going to have. his critics will point to the fact that it was about a year ago he ripped up the iran nuclear deal, that that was a real check on iran. the president has indicated he didn't see it that way, that it was a bad deal. he feels the rhetoric has
changed from iran. that's, in part, because he's been tough on iran. this is certainly at the forefront of foreign policy crises here. at the white house, andrea, they're navigating all this without an actual defense secretary in place. >> i understand acting defense secretary now withdrawn. shanahan was seen leaving. maybe he's there because the handoff was not supposed to be there until monday. gina haspel from the cia leaving. one of the actions they used before, well, we would not know because it's covert, they've used cyber. they have damaged the iranian nuclear computers and the centrifuges in the past under previous administrations as well. so we have an active cyber command. right now we're going to see -- jonathan, we'll get to you on the other side. we'll see right now the president in the oval office. >> go ahead, question.
>> -- >> iran made a big mistake. this dloen was in international waters clearly. we have it all documented. it's documented scientifically, not just words. they made a big mistake. >> how will you respond? >> you'll find out. >> are you ready to go to war with iran? >> you'll find out. obviously we're not going to be talking too much about it. they made a very big mistake. >> what are your concerns about china and the canadians that are detained? >> it will be one of the issues we'll be discussing right now with justin. >> -- >> i guess they indicated they'll be alarmed. what are you going to do? can't win them all. he should have done it sooner. can't win them all. eventually he'll do what's right perhaps. let's see what he does.
>> -- >> obviously we're very concerned about the asing lags by iran recently. we have significant presence in the area including leading the nato mission in bagdad and iraq. we look forward to discussing with our closest ally the perspectives on this and how we can move forward as an international community. >> will you ask china to release the canadians? >> -- >> well, i don't know that he's trying to meet -- are you trying to get a meet? >> we've got a lot of things to discuss. >> otherwise i'll represent him well. we have a meeting set up with president xi. it's on the big transaction we're talking about and negotiating. our peak are actually speaking now. we'll see what happens with that. anything i can do to help canada,ly canada i will be doing. >> do you plan to bring it up
with president xi? >> i will at justin's request, absolutely. >> -- >> don't say when. so far i have to get the democrats to approve it. i like your positive thinking. but if -- and the if is subject to the democrats, let's see what happens. i believe that nancy pelosi and the house will approve it. i think the senate will approve it rapidly. it's going to be very biparti n bipartisan, it's great for the farmers, manufacturers. it's great for everybody. unions, it's great for unions. we have tremendous union support, too. it's a tremendous -- it shows a partnership between three countries. it's sort of three countries in a trade sense. we're competing with the european union, with china. it gives us a bigger dialogue, a much bigger platform. it's really good for all three. it's something that's very popular. i hope politically they can do what they have to do. a day after the election, it would win with tremendous
support. we have an election coming up. i think nancy pelosi is going to do the right thing. >> will that be the end of tariffs on canada and mexico? >> we'll see. they have to do what they have to do. we understand that. we can't have big tremendous shipments of certain products. we understand that very well. >> we were very pleased with the lifting of tariffs on steel and aluminum. >> they've been lifted. if there's trans shipping, i'll call justin and he'll take care of it. if he doesn't take care of it, i'll call. >> we'll be fine. >> i think that situation is very well taken care of. very important for both countries and all three countries, the fafrmers, very, very important. more so in that case from us and canada. the fafrmers are really happy with it. the manufacturers are very happy. mexico is thrilled. you saw the vote. it was a very lopsided in a positive way vote.
a great vote. i think it's going to be something very special. again, it's the largest trade deal by far ever entered into. we're close to having it finalized. it means a lot of jobs for our country, a lot of wealth for all three countries. we're really competing against the world. we're not competing with each other. this brings us into position where we're competing against the world. that's what we're doing. we're competing against big sections of the world including asia and including other areas. i think it's going to be very special, a very important deal, but the biggest ever made. >> will you invite the toronto raptors to the white house? i'm from the toronto star. >> that's an interesting question. they played phenomenal basketball. i watched a little bit of it. they were really terrific. congratulations, by the way. that was a great job by a great team. we'll think about that. if they'd like to do it, we'll think about that. we have a lot of other folks
coming. and the president medal, i just spoke to them, we'll be presenting the presidential medal of freedom to roger pensky, he's won 18 indianapolis 500s, just won daytona. he won probably more than anybody the history of racing. i can't imagine anyone being close. he's going to be getting the medal of freedom. he's very tliltd to be getting it. that will be announced over the next liddal while. i guess i'm announcing it right now. he'll be putting something out in a little while. very deserving. he's a great gentleman. i've known him a long time. a very brilliant guy. when you think of all the countries that want to win indianapolis and daytona and they fight and they spend. even canada. they spend a lot of money. when a man wins indianapolis,
when he wins it 18 times, and he just won the daytona and he won many things over the course of years, a very successful man. we talked about electric cars in terms of common sense than roger pensky. roger pensky will receiving the presidential medal of freedom. >> mr. president, you said iran is a different country. do you still hold that opinion? >> yes. when i came here iran was in 14 to 18 different sites of con flick shun. they were extremely hostile, hostile when they signed the keith, screaming death to america. i think probably iran made a mistake. i would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down. fortunately that drone was unarmed. there was no man in it and there was no -- it was just -- it was over international waters, clearly over international waters, but we didn't have a man
or woman in the drone. we had nobody in the drone. it would have made a big difference, let me tell you. it would have made a big, big difference. but i have a feeling, and it maybe wrong and i may be right, i'm right a lot. i have a feeling that it was a mistake made by somebody that shouldn't have been doing what they did. i think they made a mistake. i'm not just talking the country made a mistake. i think somebody under the command of that country made a big mistake. >> you're talking about iran's leadership? >> let's just see what happens. it's all going to work out. >> you're saying you think it was an intentional strike of the drone? >> i find it hard to believe it was intentional. i think it could have been somebody who was loose and stupid that did it. we'll be able to report back and you'll understand exactly what happened. it was a very foolish move. that i can tell you. >> do you think there are members of your administration trying to push you into
conflict? >> no, not at all. in fact, in many cases it's the opposite. i said i want to get out of these endless wars. i kpapd on that. we've been in afghanistan for 19 years. we've reduced substantially in afghanistan. we beat the caliphate. took back 100% of the caliphate. when it was 99%, justin, i said we're going to get out and everyone went crazy. we'll finish it up. we got 100%. we're pulling that back out of syria, pulling a lot of people back. this is a new wrinkle, a new fly in the appointment what happened shooting down the drone. this country will not stand for it. that i can tell you. thank you very much. >> thanks, guys. thank you. thank you. thank you. >> [ shouting questions ].
>> press, let's go. thank you. press, thank you. the president, as you can see, a remarkable exchange there. kristen welker, jonathan lemire, colonel jack. let's talk, first of all, colonel jack about the modulated voice you heard from the president about this, trying to say -- was saying it could have been a general who was not obeying orders, it was maybe a mistake, not the regime. we're expecting momentarily pentagon, perhaps grainy black and white video -- do we have that video? there it is. this is the video which is supposed to be showing the aftermath of the drone attack. kerchl jack, do you have return video? can you see what we're showing on the air? >> yeah, i can. >> tell me if you can ascertain the significance of this?
is this the aftermath of the dloen attack? that's what they say it is. >> it looks like it's just exploded and the vehicle is falling from where it was hit. there's not much else to be told there except it was -- it's over the middle of the water. it's interesting what the president said. and i'll reiterate something we mentioned earlier. the chain of command over there looks -- in iran looks like this. the revolutionary guard reports directly to rouhani, but it's a bit more convoluted than that. there are lots of intervening people and people in the revolutionary guards who put their two cents into decisions that are made. it might not be just an individual who gave the order at a very low level of abstraction down at the bottom of the food chain to launch the missile.
it may very well be that the revolutionary guards themselves would prefer to launch the missile. it's hard to say where, at what level of the chain of command that was made. i think the president probably has a great deal of information that he passed on in making that comment, that the decision to launch the missile probably was made at a level below that of the national command authority. that will be sorted out very, very soon. >> colonel jack, i was just going to say we have eyes and ears there. so it sounds as though they are aware that it didn't come from the -- >> i think there's a perception that that decision was not made in tear ran, was made elsewhere. notwithstanding that, this sort of thing has happened before and it's vitally important that iran gets the message that it's got
to do a better job of getting the revolutionary guards under control. nevertheless, they've tried it before and they haven't been very, very successful. that means that there's continuous danger in the region from this sort of thing happening again and for it to spill over into something wider. the united states i think is not going to make an effort to make a direct attack on the country of iran. but there will be an indirect message that will be sent to iran for them to try to get these people under control. it sounds like i'm making the assumption that tehran did not issue the order to strike. we do not know what their rules of engagement were. but in the past they've demonstrated the rules of engagement are not as structured as ours are, andrea.
>> jonathan lemire, we know they have a lot of options. this is the most moderated and i think recently briefed president. we know there was a meeting between 11:00 and 12k. he had the intelligence and that's what he was communicating. >> it sure seems that way, andrea, that he was trying to telegraph this idea, as we were just discussing, that this was not authorized by tehran. that this was perhaps a mistake. he wanted to give the regime cover here and to try to deescalate some of the tension, not all, but some, not wanting to immediately ramp up what could be next, some sort of military conflict. he repeatedly said this could have been a mistake, maybe a loose cannon, that he wanted to -- he stressed that it was an unmanned drone, an expensive one, mind you, but still unmanned, and he didn't want to see further escalation here. i also thought it was noteworthy he was asked by my colleague whether or not he felt his administration was trying to
push him into a conflict with iran. he immediately said no to that, rejected it entirely. that question, might as well be, hello john bolton, the national security adviser who has his hawkish views on iran and have been well known for a long time. it reveals where this president has been, not just on this point of this international hot spot but others, too. his instinct is he doesn't want to have a shooting war. he's not looking to commit boots on the ground. he talked about there in those brief oval office remarks that he ran on a campaign of pulling troops out of areas of conflict including the middle east and that he's sort of an anti interventionist in many ways. we need to know what comes next. this is clearly an attempt by the president to ease some tensions. but we need to know -- when we learn more in the pentagon, learn more from tehran, what happens then? does the president change his
tune? >> it's so interesting jonathan, and kristen welker as well, in watching this president, completely different tone both on twitter and in the oval office q&a from what we've heard previously when he's talking about tehran and talking about other aggression around the world. it just seems that he is relying on mike pompeo and other advisers -- pompeo having said at centcom earlier this week unless a u.s. soldier -- he said if a u.s. soldier is engaged, then we will respond immediately. we now know that pompeo when he was in bagdad last month was sending signals to iran to back off. they do seem to be, yis ten, looking for a diplomatic way out. >> they seem to be looking for a diplomatic way out, andrea. his tone and the significance of it cannot be overstated. this is a president who has engaged in very heated rhetoric against iran, against north
korea prior to trying to have a diplomatic resolution with north korea. he, of course, was the one who first brought up that phrase fire and fury. we are just getting this from our capitol hill team which is reporting that the senate armed services committee, ranking member jack reid as well as multiple congressional sources are telling nbc news that the white house has invited members of congress to a briefing at the white house at 3:00 p.m. today on iran. these are going to be top congressional leaders, andrea, and will include nancy pelosi, mccarthy, mcconnell, chuck schumer, and again, the chairman and ranking members of the house and senate intel committees as well as the chairman and ranking members of the house and senate armed services committees. this is coming to us from our capitol hill team, andrea. so as the white house tries to determine next steps, clearly, making sure that congressional leaders are a part of this process and that they are briefed on whatever intelligence the president and his national
security team has, andrea. >> kristen, courtney kube our colleague also in the persian gulf and the uae, as we've been reporting, this was a very different donald trump from previous crises and from previous crises involving iran. his language, saying it was a mistake, it's very clear that they have pretty good intelligence on who ordered this or he would not be giving them so much leeway after a global hawk was shot down. courtney? >> reporter: i'm so sorry. can you say that again? >> colonel jack is still with us. we'll make sure courtney's audio is checked out. but colonel jack, the signals that the president was sending today were pretty clear. >> yeah, he -- you know, he tries not to give anything away, but in the past he's demonstrated that he does -- he can't help himself sometimes and he likes to give stuff away.
i think this was not just a way to defuse the situation. i think this is a promulgation of specific information that he had and we do have information like that. don't forget, we monitor not just visually what is going on on the ground. we also monitor telecommunications of all types and varieties and we do it from a number of different platforms, satellites, airborne platforms, ground based platforms and so on. so we have a pretty good idea of how the chain of command thinks about things on the other side. i think it's unlikely that he would have said something like he did if he knew otherwise. and i don't think it was just speculation, just an attempt to defuse the situation. and again, we have to keep in mind that there is something of a gulf between the harder core
revolutionary guards on the one hand and the mullahs on the other. it's likely that we can retaliate in a wide variety of ways but it may very well be that the decision will be to try to do it diplomatically. that not with standing, we are not very pleased with the direction in which the government of iran is going and this may be an opportunity to have some conversations that will demonstrate that american resolve and ensuring that we do not want iran to carry on with its program, despite the fact that the president has said that he wants to abrogate the agreement, the nuclear agreement. this might, in fact -- properly handled, this could be an opportunity to make things go our way. >> and, in fact, michael steel, this congressional briefing is an opportunity to try to in a
period of some crisis increase communication with the hill. the hill has not been briefed on a lot of things. there was that friday night waiver on the saudi arms deal after a congressional resolution to stop it and he did that under a very questionable waiver on the friday night of a holiday weekend. they've got a lot to catch up on. there is a resolution pending that is automatically on the senate floor next week to stop that arms sale, $8 billion to the saudis and others who have been involved now in the yemen war and there is so much between the u.s. and this congress. this is a real opportunity for this president. >> it is a real opportunity and i think the president wants to leverage as much of this as he can to get the members on his page. they understand where the president is, how the administration is responding to what iran has done. and not to have particularly --
an interesting sort of move here to have that leadership sort of block and tackle if you will a little bit of what is going on politically with presidential candidates out there on the democratic side sort of getting in front of this narrative and framing it a different way. this way with folks in the room all the players in the room getting the briefing directly from the president and his team, it kind of mitigates a little bit of that because they're at the table. >> michael, i was really struck by the difference in tone today between lindsey graham the chairman of armed services and his good friend the president. the president is trying to downgrade this and lindsey graham was acting in a very threatening way. >> well, and that goes to some of the underlying tension -- you talk about what's going on in iran with sort of disagreements there. well, here at home there are disagreements between certainly republican hawks who want a more aggressive confrontational approach to iran, bolton and lindsey graham, and the president, who seems to be a little bit more reserved in that
regard, recognizing i think and appreciating the full weight of his power as president and using it judiciously and not just proactively going out -- >> we have arkansas senator tom cotton a military veteran who has been calling for military action. let's go to tehran. how is it being reported there? >> reporter: hey, andrea. well, unsurprisingly, the u.s. narrative of events differs vastly from the iranian version. the u.s. says the drone global hawk was shot down in international air space. iran says it was shot down in its air space. both sides, however, agree on one thing. that iran shot it down. now, iran says that shortly after midnight local time, that drone took off from a usair base in the southern persian gulf and spent the next four hours in or around iranian air space when it was shot down at about 0400
local by the revolutionary guard. we may never know exactly where it was downed but hitting it has become a major coup for the iranians. they have been saying all day that this shows that they can successfully target a highly sophisticated, extremely expensive piece of u.s. military hardware. and they're touting that strike as a big victory. the commander, the newly appointed commander of the revolutionary guard says the shooting down of a u.s. drone has sent a clear message to america. he added that the enemies who encroach on iran's borders will all be wiped out. he said iran doesn't want a war with america but it's more than ready. listening to his comments today, that doesn't sound like it was an accident by a military general shooting the drone down. they're taking full credit for this and they're making it sound
like it was very calculated and if it happened again, they'll do it again. but all of this animosity is very troubling, andrea. i feel like both sides have gotten themselves into a cycle that they can't back down from. you know, in case they look weak and if they escalate it, things could get very seriously out of hand. iran's foreign minister has been saying today that iran will zealously defend its skies, land, and waters. he also says that iran is going to take this case to the u.n. to prove that this drone was shot down in iranian territorial waters. also interestingly, andrea, just about half an hour ago we heard from state media here that the wreckage, the debris from that drone is floating in iranian territorial waters which begs the question if the revolutionary guard naval forces are around that wreckage and the
u.s. are going to recover that are we going to see another flash point very soon here in the persian gulf? >> thank you, very good point. courtney kube, we have less than a minute left. from your perspective now they've got the video, they know where it went down, they can tell even from the grainy video that we were looking at, they have the coordinates. >> reporter: that's right, andrea. you know, this is of course going to be the u.s. military's side versus the iranians' point of view of what happened here. the military is saying this happened way inside of international waters, that the drone never strayed more than 21 miles from the iranian coast, which would put it according to the international body in international waters. but then the question is will either side ever acknowledge that the other one is right or wrong? the big point here is that this is not the first time iran has targeted a u.s. drone in recent days. it is the first time that the
rafael teenager. he's got a rare form of leukemia. the team hopes the story will inspire fans to step up to the plate and tonight the breaking news as we come on. a massive explosion at a shopping center. more than 20 people injured. shock waves felt a mile away. gas shut off to the entire area. firefighters digging through mounds of debris for survivors and the cause of the blast. also breaking, more quakes. a 7.1 rocking southern california. >> get under the table. >> [ bleep ]. >> oh, my god. >> anxiety spiking. 4,800 aftershocks. fires and rockslides. the new warning tonight. in politics, biden on defense. for the first time the democratic front runner apologizing about his comments on segregationists as president trump sharpens his attack on the former vice president.
how biden is responding. severe storms strike. millions of americans in the path. from dangerous lightning strikes on the nation's beaches to the drenching rains and the excessive heat. and now reports of a tornado in south jersey. road rage manhunt. police looking for the driver that fired into this vehicle setting off fireworks and starting an inferno. two toddlers in that car pulled from those flames in critical condition tonight. plus, a group of police officers asked to leave a starbucks by a barista. told a customer, quote, did not feel safe. the coffee giant now apologizing. and royal christening. the glimpse inside the windsor castle. baby archie's close-up. good evening. thanks for joining us on this saturday. i'm tom llamas. we begin with the massive explosion at a florida shopping center. the blast happening in
plantation, florida not far from miami and ft. lauderdale. shock waves felt a mile away. right after the blast a frantic search for survivors. cani teams called. one person having to dive under his car to escape the debris that was coming down. more than 20 people injured, many of them hospitalized. a father telling us he and his children are lucky to be alive tonight. abc's victor oquendo is there. he starts us off. >> reporter: tonight, investigators on the scene of this massive explosion that rocked a south florida shopping center, working to determine a cause. the building across from an la fitness decimated, the debris field stretching across several parking lots in plantation, west of fort lauderdale. >> the entire inside of the store i was in just caved in. >> reporter: those inside the gym at the time making their way outside amid the chaos. windows blown out. the front destroyed. watch this nest camera from a home a mile away. the homeowner says her entire house shook. this cell phone video showing the aftermath.
guillermo villa tells us he was about to charge his tesla suv when he heard the explosion. >> there were pieces of branches falling. it was crazy. >> reporter: he said diving underneath the front of the car likely saved his life. >> i was thinking i could be in an ambulance, a hospital, or a plastic bag. it was so close. i'm blessed. >> reporter: plumes of smoke rising from the scene. this father of three saying they just left the mall before the blast. >> we were about 50 yards. behind us everything exploded all at once. >> right after you left? >> right after we left. if i had been getting my kids in the car 15 seconds before -- >> reporter: search dogs canvassed the area for anyone possibly trapped. 23 people injured. more than a dozen treated at hospitals. >> at this point nobody was killed. thank goodness for that. as bad as it is, it could have been a lot worse. >> victor oquendo joins us live now from the scene of that explosion. victor, anywhere you look you see the devastation. we heard the chief say it could
have been so much worse. are authorities closer to determining a cause? >> the initial call was for a gas explosion. when firefighters arrived, a hazmat team found a gas leak. it's too early to know if that's what to blame for all this. the atf is here as well. tom? >> victor oquendo for us tonight. victor, thank you. now to that huge earthquake in california o, even stronger than the first. rocking homes and businesses as you can see. an incredible 4,800 aftershocks reported. many more expected. firefighters trying to battle blazes like this that have been breaking out. that new quake stronger than thursday's 6.4. already the worst in 20 years. here's abc's marcus moore. >> get under the table! get under the table! >> [ bleep ]. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: the force of that powerful 7.1 earthquake shaking southern california. >> [ bleep ]. >> oh, my god! >> reporter: the second major quake in less than 48 hours igniting homes.
>> structure fires as well as several outside fires and hazardous conditions. >> reporter: this grocery store right near the epicenter losing power as customers and employees step over broken glass to escape. >> the air is really thick. >> reporter: one employee helping a startled woman out of the store. aisle by aisle the floor disappearing under fallen merchandise. >> brayden, get over here! brayden! >> reporter: this woman rushing to grab her 2-year-old son as the trailer just feet away swayed back and forth. >> there's a rockslide down here at the canyon. >> reporter: nearby rockslides shutting off this highway. scientists surveying the damage right next to the fault line. we met this family looking at the damage in their own homes. you could hear things? >> we could hear things. you could hear things breaking. you could hear all that. >> you could hear it being thrashed. >> reporter: the epicenter of friday's quake, 11 miles from thursday's 6.4 tremor. that was already california's strongest quake in 20 years and officials believe it was
only the precursor to the massive 7.1. the quake felt throughout southern california and in two other states. so powerful it forced some to sleep outside. >> feels safer out here. at least if the house collapsed we wouldn't be inside. >> reporter: tonight more than 4,800 aftershocks rattling nerves. california's governor requesting a presidential emergency declaration for the communities impacted as this entire region remains on edge. >> marcus moore joins us live. marcus, we saw that family sleeping outside fearful of more tremors. what are people in the impacted communities telling you about the potential for more powerful quakes? >> tom, they're going to begin to recover. some people are starting over from scratch. like the family that lived in this house, you see nothing left on the inside. it burned down in the aftermath of friday's earthquake. when you look at the wider region, tom, there's a sense this area has been spared. when you consider america's second largest city los angeles is not far from here and these two powerful earthquakes hit in
less densely populated areas. tom? >> marcus, thank you. let's bring in seismologist lucy jones. you earlier warned of a potential of a stronger quake. that happened. what are the risks of another quake at this point or anything hitting any time soon? >> they're small. they're not zero. at this point we're down to a few percent chance that we could have another very large earthquake, 7 or above. most likely we've seen the largest one at this that means plenty of magnitude 5s and 6s that would be part of the after shock sequence. >> should folks that live in southern california be on alert? >> the only people that should be on alert are the ones that live near the earthquake. if you live in the southern owens valley, yes, expect to feel lots of earthquakes with the potential of damaging winds. for those of us that live in the l.a. metropolitan area this has not changed the risk of earthquakes in the metropolitan
area, either to increase or decrease it. >> dr. jones, thank you. now to the severe weather threat. the beach goers in north myrtle beach dodging dangerous lightning. you saw it right there. that missouri road washed away southeast of kansas city. more heavy rains drench streets outside akron, ohio. plus reports of a tornado on the turnpike in south jersey. millions of americans in the storm zone. rob marciano joins us from central park. rob, good evening. >> good evening, tom. we've had several rounds of storms roll through the new york city area. the humid air mass still in place. that front yet to come through. more damaging -- potentially damaging storms coming through. here's the radar scope. you see boston, connecticut, pennsylvania back to ohio. that's the front. that pushes through later. that's when the strong storms will come. there have been some tornado warnings there. denver, cheyenne you're in a thunderstorm watch with potentially damaging winds. the south eastern part of the country still in the heat.
heat advicerieieieies for littl and montgomery. will feel like 100 degrees. looking to be cooler in the northeast, but not before more storms tonight. tom? >> rob, thank you. now to politics and the 2020 presidential race. former vice president joe biden apologizing on the campaign trail today as president trump was taking aim at the democratic front runner. abc's rachel scott is traveling with the vice president from new bedford new jersey with the latest. >> reporter: tonight, joe biden apologizing for any pain those startling comments about working with segregationists during his long senate tenure may have caused. >> now was i wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that i was praising those men who i successfully opposed time and again? yes, i was. i regret it. and i'm sorry for any of the pain or misconception that may have caused anybody. >> reporter: his rivals including senator kamala harris
pouncing on the debate stage signalling biden's positions are out of touch. today in south carolina biden defending his record on race. >> should that misstep define 50 years of my record for fighting for civil rights and racial justice in this country? i hope not. >> reporter: while making it clear his views have evolved. >> i don't pretend that none of my positions have changed. i've grown and i think it's good to be able to grow. >> reporter: president trump dismissing the former vice president as a lost cause. tweeting joe biden is a reclamation project. some things are just not salvageable. adding he won't win. and continuing his attacks on the obama/biden administration. >> biden didn't know what the hell he was doing and neither did president obama. >> reporter: biden made it clear which president's opinion he values. >> i'll take his judgement about my record, my character, my ability to handle a job over any one else's. >> despite having to defend his
record biden has raised more money per day than any other democrat in the race. tom? >> rachel, thank you. next an update into the investigation surrounding kevin spacey and the allegations of sexual assault. a report tonight that detectives from the scotland yard came to the u.s. to question the actor. the latest from erielle reshef. >> reporter: tonight, "variety" magazine reporting scotland yard interviewed actor kevin spacey regarding several allegations of sexual assault in the uk. when abc news asked directly about spacey, london metropolitan police confirmed its complex case team questioned a man about six separate claims of sexual misconduct ranging from 1996 to 2013. but said it does not identify any person subject to an investigation. "variety" saying spacey voluntarily submitted to the interrogation back in may. british authorities tell abc the man they interviewed was not arrested and inquiries are ongoing. spacey's camp not commenting on whether he spoke to british
detectives. >> i told you my deepest, darkest secrets. i showed you exactly what people are capable of. >> reporter: the embattled actor facing accusations of sexual assault on both sides of the pond, breaking more than a year of silence back in december 2018 with this cryptic video in the voice of his iconic character frank underwood from the hit netflix show "house of cards." >> despite even my own death, i feel surprisingly good. and my confidence grows each day that soon enough you will know the full truth. >> reporter: just this week, the former nantucket busboy who accused spacey of groping him at a bar in 2016, dropping his civil suit. but the star, still facing a criminal charge, stemming from that alleged encounter. spacey has denied the claims against him. spacey is due in court on monday in that massachusetts criminal case. no word yet on whether the actor will appear.
tom, if convicted, he could face five years behind bars. >> thank you. we move on to the world cup excitement building overseas. the u.s. women's soccer team getting ready to take the field in the finals tomorrow against the netherlands. interest around the world spiking in that title crash. abc's adrienne bankert is in lyon, france. >> reporter: tonight team u.s.a. getting ready for their ultimate test. practicing on the eve of the world cup final, star megan rapinoe says she's ready. >> i expect to be good to go for tomorrow and very excited about that opportunity. >> reporter: she's healing up after a strain to her hamstring sidelined her during their last match, as is midfielder rose lavelle, who says despite being ranked number one the team doesn't think of sunday's game against the netherlands as a sure bet. >> we know that everybody knows that they can compete with us and we're ready to compete with them. >> reporter: the dutch are the reigning european champions. co-captain alex morgan who received a mixed response for that controversial tea sipping
celebratory pose after her goal against england says they're staying focused. >> how are you kind of keeping the noise out? >> at the end of the day we're here to do a job, a job we've dreamt of and worked our entire lives for. >> reporter: but just hours before the big game the issue of pay equity for one of the most successful teams in all of sports is far from being sidelined. ♪ money money money >> reporter: that was rapinoe's reaction to the president of fifa's proposal to double the prize money for women's soccer across the board. the men's prize for the next world cup projected to reach $440 million. fifa proposing to double the total prize money for the next women's tournament to $60 million. >> we should double it now and then use that number to double it or quadruple it for the next time, obviously. >> adrienne bankert joins us live. thousands of americans are expected to cheer for team u.s.a. at the game tomorrow, adrienne? >> that's right, tom.
up to 20,000 americans are here in lyon for that final. and get this, nike reports that the team's jerseys are still flying off the shelves. in fact, nike said on their website that the u.s.a. team jerseys are the best selling soccer jersey ever, mens or womens. tom? >> incredible news. adrienne bankert staying up late for us tonight. adrienne, thank you. there's much more ahead on "world news tonight" this saturday. the wild mall robbery caught on camera, a group of men ransacking a northface store. running off with arm loads of merchandise. those suspects on the run tonight. plus the road rage manhunt. the driver who opened fire on a family's car setting off their fourth of july fireworks. sparking a terrifying blaze. the clues coming in. the royal christening. a rare glimpse inside the family's special day. what they revealed about their newest member. stay with us. ay. what they revealed about their newest member. stay with us. why wait? hit back now.
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for a road rage suspect in houston, opening fire on a family on the fourth of july setting off the fireworks inside their vehicle. that suspect still on the run and tonight police are searching for the car he took off in. here's abc's zachary kiesch. >> reporter: tonight the manhunt intensifying after the explosive road rage confrontation. authorities looking for this white suv seen on surveillance video leaving the scene. on july 4th in galveston two drivers got into an argument near a fireworks stand. the driver of the white suv allegedly firing on a family of four. that car loaded with fireworks, erupting into a ball of flames. witnesses watched in horror. two parents and two toddlers trapped in the burning car. jason butler ran to help. >> when i ran up to the car, the lady handed me her baby, and i asked anybody else in the car because all i could see was baby seats. >> reporter: police say the shooter followed the family's car into this gas station after the family tried to flee. the father then rushing into
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starbucks apologizing for what happened inside their tempe, arizona station. six police officers standing together enjoying coffee when a barista apparently asked them to leave because their presence made a customer feel unsafe. the tempe officers' association calling that treatment offensive and it could not be more dishearteni disheartening. starbucks now apologizing for any misunderstanding and say they want to meet and make things right. a major update in the hunt for two gun men in san bruno, california. opening fire this week in a crowded shopping mall. tonight police announcing they've identified their suspects and are making two arrests. one of the againman gunman, 18-year-old deandre lejon gantt, is still on the run. the consumer alert tonight. eye drops and ointment sold at walmart and walgreens now being recalled. 23roducts in 150 stores being pulled off the shelves. altaire pharmaceutical company saying they've seen no reported problems yet and are doing the recall voluntarily.
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big photo ops for the royal family. look at the crowds that came out to see princess charlotte's. >> unlike his cambridge cousins, who are destined for roles on the world stage, archie is not expected to be a working royal. although his parents are, he's not expected to be. >> reporter: but the sussexes coming under fire for the secrecy as they're facing mounting criticism from the british public for a more than $3 million renovation bill for their home on the castle grounds. little archie wearing a hand sewn replica of the christening gown worn by dad harry. princess diana's family represented too. her two sisters behind the royal couple in this official portrait. mom and dad giving glimpses after his debut. this is the first clear photo of baby archie's face. tonight the lingering question who does he look like. >> we're still trying to figure that out. >> his looks change every day. who knows? >> jennifer eccleston, london. >> we thank jennifer for that report. we thank you for watching. i'm tom llamas in new york. "gma" and "this week" first thing tomorrow morning. i'll see you back here tomorrow night. have a great evening.
good night. back here tomorrow night. have a great evening. good night. arrests are made in a shooting at a san bruno mall. and kicked out of starbucks. why police officers were asked to leave on the fourth of july. now, news to build a better bay area. from abc 7. >> i grabbed my refrigerator and stay with it. >> one of the most powerful earthquakes since loma prieta rocks southern california. it's left behind extensive damage, causing fires and buckling roads. yesterday's quake was six times
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the numbers were strong, generally across the was up 15%, very strong margin performance, the guide for q2 is also pretty strong, 16%. so this was an excellent quarter, they are also guiding the full year for 13%—15%. the only issue is the stock is off about 4% after hours and i think the real negative there is that expectations for some investors. the other thing that is a slight fly in the ointment is they are no longer going to provide a subscriber guide is an 2025 so that is still three quarters away but some will still be disappointed by that. icon will receive $6 billion from the government to produce advanced memory chips, chuck schumer says the money will be used to expand micron strip facilities, rifle chipmakers in tsmc were recently awarded grants and that helping to