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Going to say what is the nature of the discussions. >> approximate almost olmost ou. number three. >> when you get to ultimately all the issues surrounding this case, i think you have to look to where the money came from and thats a big point, fredricka, where was the money, a home equity loan or otherwise and so thats why its important. >> its not coming out in california. its coming out in new york. everything is shut down. >> its coming out everywhere. >> it is complicated. >> no, its not. it...