characteristics about rex tillerson that donald trump views at positives are things that have john mccain concerned. he said he wants answers about the connection to the russian government. >> i have concerned over his reports of relationships with vladimir putin who is a thug and a murderer. we will have hearings on that issue and other issues concerning him. that is the time to make up your mind. >> what kind of questions would you ask rex tillerson? >> his view of vladimir putin, his role in the world, and the leader of the opposition was murdered on the orders, i believe, of vladimir putin and the shadow of the kremlin.
the deal that he did in 2011 is estimated to be worth half of a trillion dollars. so you know these are enormously large deals. a reflection of that that was putin in 2012 awarded him the order of friendship, one of the highest civilian honors in russia. tillerson has also spoken out against sanctions in russia and that may be essential in understanding his tenure. >> that's a good point, comments he made not that long ago. i preesh the reporting tonight, thank you so much. let's go now to buck, a former cia counter terrorism analyst. let's dive into this, this is exactly in your lane. as someone that formally worked
with the agency, you know it well, it is not a political mission, does the attack on the voracity bother you? >> no, i think it shows that he is irritated with the leaks. >> in the statement he attacked them on the biggest failure. i think it is not right for people who are speaking with reporters, there will be a point of view held by the entirety -- that's not true at all. there are a lot of people with different views. they go all of the way up to the white house, the oval office, so
morale. in a week trump went even remember he said it. >> does it bother you? >> it's not how i would do it, but i think he should be given some deference. i do not think it is professional for someone in the intel community to be speaking to reporters on the president elect. >> at the end of the statement, the trump team says it's now time to move on. is it time to move on or is it time to dig in as the next president and figure out who in russia is doing what and to what effect? >> the reality of russia in
interfering in our election is different between this is something russia should not be doing, there should be a lip lowmatic approach -- >> i'm just saying this is what i think should happen now in response to what russia did. there is an entire narrative that all of these things came together. the pbi director, fake news, russian interference, and people need to move beyond that. should russia be allowed to hack it? no, what are we do doing to do? and the russian government has no idea? it's very complicated. >> you're saying the kremlin has no idea about the hacking going on? >> i don't know, does putin, someone a few levels below putin, and how much are we willing to do in response to all of this.
>> that is a legitimate discussion. >> i have to leave it there, buck, thank you. >> coming up, donald trump is not in the white house yet, but as we just debated, he is locking horns with the cia. you're live here in the cnn news room. the answer is 8. bottom line, life is hard. that's why godaddy created website builder... it makes creating a website...easy. build an awesome mobile-friendly, website... and it's free to get started. plus with the money you save, you can hire a math tutor. get your free trial of godaddy website builder now! at godaddy.com
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with you. . let's start with trump and the rnc today. by doing so, they are either questioning the voracity of u.s. intelligence officials or the motives of the u.s. intelligence officials. does that concern you? >> i think there are people in the intelligence community not thrilled about donald trump winning. you don't have all republicans or all democrats in the cia. you have people with different opinions. >> i asked you if there was concern that he was questioning the voracity of the intelligence itself or those delivering it. >> it doesn't concern me, i think donald trump understands that they will try to meddle in a lot of things. it is bad decorum for someone to
go out there, throw the information out there, and trying to clear the overwhelming victory for donald trump and act like he was elected because russia wanted him to be. and russia is trying to influence things in this country -- they were doing that long before the cold war. this is not new. i think it is a little ridiculous, and trump is right when he and the campaign says let's move on, i'm tired of this election. >> the statement says that it's time to move on. regardless of your political persuasion in all of this, is it time to move on or time to double down. for the next president so say it is unacceptable for an acressive
before and after. >> if we're saying that russian for instance shaped the electoral outcome that is something that we can't move on from. that is something that we need to investigation. both chambers of congress need to act on this. everyone involved needs to think about what it means for outside actors to inform our election. that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge she president, but i think donald trump is out of line to suggest that the cia as a stake in this. >> ben, does this make -- i want to know does it make the incoming cia director's job harder?
he will be representing the people that work for him in the cia. at the same time, if all goes the way trump wants it to, the one appointed by donald trump plp will he speak more from what donald trump wants to here or what intelligence showed? >> he made it clear that we're not going toal rate political leaks like this. people trying to score undertones instead of doing their job. russia is trying to meddle or influence or election and that is a nonpartisan issue. and leaks do not have a lace in
the intelligence community. >> they don't have a place because that's what happens. we can't assume it's a political issue here. russians influencing this election -- >> what good does it do to have this come out now? when he has not been sworn in yet. it is not going to change the policy. they should be talking about this in the white house on the day he comes back into office. >> i have to to get a break in, formulate your next thought, you'll both be right back. twin explosions rocking turkey's biggest city. live to istanbul, next. when standard cancer treatment no longer works
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target. >>. >> we are hearing police officers were the target of the explosions, why are they working on that theory right now? >> simply the officers were out in full force. because there was a soccer game, they were out. there was police officers stationed on the street 10 or 15 feet apart from each other. they would have made a very easy target. >> we appreciate the report. the headline there, more than a dozen people dead, 70 wounded. thank you so much. we'll take a quick break but back to politics after that. the face of big oil in america could become the face of american diplomacy. rex tillerson is said to have told donald trump today he would be honored to be the next
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tillerson. >> he is more than a business executive, he is a world class player. he is in charge of the largest company in the world. an oil company that is double the size of his next nearest competitor. a company that has been unbelievably managed. and he knows many of the players and he knows them well. okay, mark, you're shaking your head. why are you shaking your head? >> he said he is more than a businessman, this is a job for a diplomat. someone with a sophisticated opinion on these matters.
he was very close, he got the russian order -- he is down with russia, but for the global rand sk -- landscape, rebuilding information and iraq, these are questions for a sophisticated person with a general understanding. he barely believes in science. she a dangerous and holy unqualified -- >> he came out, he said our stance was man made. he supports the paris agreement, and she a big proponent of free
trade. how do they square all of those differences. >> he is taking heat from other conservatives. they need to be in favor. they have been a leader and i think it is different than what they characterized him as. one of the reasons that donald trump has been looking at him is that one, he is not a politician. he had a lot of politicians be in this role and some of them have not been very successful. i think he understands diplomacy. one example of that is russia. john mccain's statement he made earlier today said we're going to ask him to look at this at
confirmation. i think it is a very, very fair question that john mccain brought up. ultimately, this is someone that knows how to work with foreign laiders. donald trump wants people around him to go out and do what donald trump wants them to do. >> the counter point is that half a trillion dollar oil deal is not the same as negotiating with russia about a cease fire in aleppo. >> my point is. he said -- he was making a plan he is not trying to bring up the
right guy. many t is scene that you have been, and trying to negotiate a cease fire, or trying to draw down troops. trying to help the iraqi army. >> only a politician can do that, john. >> hots can do the job. >> so give him a chance. >> but by your logic, anyone can do the job. i'm not saying -- >> that is not true, he has been dealing with things -- >> i have to wrap it up, guys. guys, thank you both very much, i suppose we should give the trump team a chance to make their pick, this has not been the pick yet. thank you very much to you both, have a good weekend.
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a global enterprise, how customer facing technology plays a huge role in our future, and i'm not leaving. i'm around to help, support, coach, whatever i can -- >> but you're not going to hover you said? >> no, i made mistakes at a different time in my life, but i'm ready, more than ready, to hand over the reins. >> so you have some venti sized shoes to fill. how much will be your own footprint, how much of it will be howard. you have a ton of experience, how do you build on what howard built? >> we co-authored the strategy. i realize that i'm not howard. i'm kevin.
so i'm going to lead in an authentic way, and i think i had the opportunity to get to know the management team, i have worked in every part of this country. i believe in the strategy and i know that i have to be authentic in my lift. >> one of the things that howard has done that set him apart was using his voice on social issues, guns, gay rights, politics, will you do the same? >> i think the mission of the country, that is an authentic mission. if we see something that we think we can help make positive social impact on, we're not afraid to take a stand and to have a voice in doing it in a
constructive and helpful way. that is part of the fabric of the country and i don't see that changing. >> you said recently i wanted to build a company my father never got to work for. did you achieve that? >> i think so. but i don't think he lived to see it. he was a blue collar uneducated army vet. he had a series of because jobs and over his life became bitter and angry that he was not respected in the workforce. in many ways that was a time in america where blue collar workers didn't get benefits they deserved. >> he lost his health care. >> yeah, so i wanted to build a company that would respect and dignify everyone regardless of their station in life. so e why, i think i have done
tha that. >> what about people at home thinking wow, my livelihood is being replaced slowly by machines and robots, what's the future for them in america's workforce? >> if you look at the 300,000 partners that wear the apatrol, we're demonstrating that we can have jobs that people can come and contribute to, and we will pay for their college education. so finding ways so show the empathy and the respect and help people deal with that chance what we're about. >> you said given the state of this country there is a need to
help those left behind. what will you do? you have done a lot of social impact from the ceo seat. >> we clearly view the fact that we have stores in almost every community in america and have an understanding of what is happening in cities across the country. i will give you two examples. we have a significant homeless problem in seattle and around the country. just the past week, we announced we'll make a significant contribution in terms of money and resources to try and create housing for homeless. in addition to that, there is a large number of people that are hungry every night and go to bed without food if is a cause for humanity. i think we continue to look for ways to leverage our scale for good, and i think not do anything that would be
disrespectful to the president-elect, and not do anything that would in any way derail the support and confidence from one group to another based on the fact that we want to help those in need and we think there is an opportunity and responsibility we have for our people. >> you supported hillary clinton, and you wrote a letter saying you were shocked by the outcome of the election. you say it was a display of bigotry, hate, and i did visiveness. since then you said it is our responsibility to give him an opportunity to govern and come together. have you seen encouraging signs? >> i said, and i want to be clear, that whether or not we voted for donald trump, he will be the president of the united
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aisle, are rightly concerned about how he may respond when tested by russia, iran, north korea, and other transnational threats such as cyber. considering some of these hotspots in the world in detail, i would like to start with iran, which remains a top concern for this committee. their behavior with respect to forces across the region has not improved and iran's unsafe actions have continued. i believe the joint plan of action is the most effective way to prevent iran from resuming their nuclear weapons program. general mattis, while you raise concerns about the jcpoa when it was being negotiated, you stated during a center for strategic and international studies forum in april 2016 that in your words, there is no going back absent a real violation. i agree with that assessment. i look forward to hearing your thoughts about how we can build upon the jcpoa to address other
iranian threats including its malign influence in the region and ballistic missile programs. violent extremist groups remain a persistent and likely generational problem. our actions have made significant gains in recapturing areas once held by isil including operations directed as mosul and raqqah. however, isil continues to find new ways to terrorize innocent civilians and recruit new members. in the long term successful military action against isil, al qaeda, and other violent groups must be complemented by nonmilitary efforts by the international community to address the circumstances that led to the rise of such groups, again, echoing comments that my colleagues mentioned about the complementarity of the state department and the congress.
this decision requires strong leadership to ensure that individual success of the service member and the clothive success of their unit and their service. and i expect you to provide that leadership. i remain concerned that too often our service members and their families fall victim to financial problems. this is an issue of importance. soldiers, sailors, airmen or marine hearing from a spouse back home about unscrupulous financial organizations is unacceptable. i and the chairman have made it a strong priority in this committee. defense budgets should be based on our long term military strategy. however, defense spending is subject to the budget control act as the chairman has pointed out. and the defense investments that have been made to modernize platforms and equipment are in jeopardy. in addition, we must be aware that simply adding funding to
government agencies creates other problems and is not an effective long term solution. one of your first tasks in the new administration will be to submit a fiscal 2018 budget that addresses these issues and goes to the point the chairman made of repealing the budget control act. general mattis, if confirmed, you will manage the department of defense grappling with many extraordinarily difficult challenges and it requires strong civilian leadership. congress must provide exceptions to the statutory requirement that currently prohibits individuals from being appointed if they're within seven years of their military service. earlier this week this committee held a hearing that was illuminating and constructive. i hope you will share the actions you will take on civilian control of the military if confirmed. when he assumes office, president trump will become commander in chief of our around forces. i continue to hope that the
gravity of the office of the president and the magnitude of the challenges our country embraces will encourage him to be more thoughtful in his comments. however president-elect trump has made a number of statements addressing north korea's icbm capability, our trade relations with china and expansion of u.s. nuclear weapons. most troubling is the president-elect's continuing praise of vladimir putin and his seeming indifference to his efforts to influence the american election. many people believe you will be the source that cools the coffin. i look forward to hearing how you will manage the relationship between the nsc and the president. again, thank you, mr. chairman, i look forward to hearing from our nominee. >> thank you, general mattis. there are standard questions we are required to ask. i would go through those very
quickly and point out, in order to exercise its legislative and oversight responsibilities important to this committee able to receive testimony, briefings, and other communications of information. have you adhered to applicable laws and regulations governing conflicts of interest? >> i have. >> will you ensure that your staff complies with deadlines established for requested communication including questions for the record and hearings? >> i will. >> will you cooperate in providing witnesses and briefers in response to congressional requests? >> yes. >> will those witnesses be protected from reprisal for their testimony or briefings? >> yes. >> do you agree if confirmed to appear and testify upon request of this committee? >> i do. >> do you agree to provide documents including copies of electronic forms and communications in a timely manner when requested by a duly constituted committee or to consult with the committee in providing such documents? >> yes, sir. >> have you assumed any duties
russia is raising grave concerns on several fronts, and china is shedding trust along its periphery. increasingly we see islands of stability in our hemisphere. democracies here, in europe, and in asia under attack by nonstate actors and nations that mitchly see their security in the insecurity of others. our armed forces in this world must remain the best-led, the best-equipped, and the most lethal in the world. these demanding times require us to put together a strong national security team here in washington. if confirmed, i will lead the department of defense and be a forthright member of that team. i recognize that i will need to be the strongest possible advocate for military and civilian personnel and their families. i will foster an atmosphere of harmony and trust at the department with our interagency counterparts and the
awesome determination to defend herself. working with you, i will endeavor to keep our unique all-volunteer force second to none. we open the door to all patriots who are eligible and meet the standards, provide them with the training, equipment, and leadership essential to their success, and ensure all service members are treated with dignity and respect. i recognize my potential civilian role differs in essence from my former role in uniform. civilian control of the military is a fundamental tenet of the american military tradition. both the commander in chief and the secretary of defense must impose an objective strategic calculus in the national security decisionmaking process and effectively direct its actions. civilian leaders bear these responsibilities because the esprit decor of our military and its obedience to civilian leadership reduces the
inclination and power of the military to oppose a policy if it is ultimately ordered to implement. if the senate consents and if the full congress passes an exemplifies to the seven-year requirement, i will provide strong civilian leadership of military plans and decisions in the department of defense. i recognize under the constitution it is the congress that raises, sustains, and supports our armed forces through annual authorizations and appropriations. for many years i have watched you in action and testified before you. i look forward to collaborating closely for the defense of our nation. i am mindful of the extraordinary privilege it is to be nominated for this position. i will hold service members, civilians, and their families foremost in my thoughts and work to give the department the best chance for victory if you confirm me. finally, on a personal note, i have worked at the pentagon twice in my career. a few people may know i'm not the first person in my family to do so. when in the wartime spring of
1942, my mother was 20 years old and working in military intelligence. she was part of the first wave of government employees to move into the still-unfinished pentagon. she had come to america as an infant and lives today on the banks of the columbia river in the pacific northwest. little could she imagine in her youth that more than 90 years after she immigrated to this country and 75 years after she first walked through the doors of the war department, one of her sons would be sitting here before you today. thank you. may i take your questions. >> general, i neglected, would you like to introduce members of your family who are here with us today? >> thank you, senator. they're safely west of the rockies as well right now. [ laughter ] >> very quickly, our uniformed military leaders have said that -- have testified before
this committee that the budget control act has put the men and women serving in uniform at greater risk. do you agree with that? >> i do, sir. >> i believe that we are in serious trouble in afghanistan, as the taliban is able to attack regions; is that a fair statement? >> they have made advances and eroded some of our successes, mr. chairman. >> and the afa is sustaining unsustainable losses? >> i need to review the casualty figures and recruitment, sir, but i believe that's correct. >> do you believe that we have a strategy that will allow us to regain control of raqqah? >> i believe we do, sir. however, i believe that strategy
needs to be reviewed and perhaps energized on a more aggressive timeline. >> it seems to me that some of the actions, we're taking 50 troops here, 200 there, smacks of mission creep. is there -- do you think that there is some aspects of that? >> chairman, i'm not current on this issue. if confirmed i will get current very quickly. >> i just returned from a trip to the baltics, georgia and ukraine. they are incredibly worried about our commitment to them. and one of the major priorities that the baltic countries have is a permanent u.s. military presence, not a base, but a permanent military presence in the baltics. do you agree with that?
>> chairman, once the new national security team is confirmed, i want to sit down with them and come up with a coherent, integrated strategy that uses diplomacy -- >> i understand. i'm specifically speaking of the baltics. >> i do, sir. >> on a trip that i took with senator graham and senator klobuchar, we went close to the front lines, with the president of ukraine, where we took part in various ceremonies and meetings with these brave ukrainians, 10,000 of whom have been slaughtered by vladimir putin in his invasion of crimea and ukraine. and i know you can appreciate the fact that there was a ceremony where the president of ukraine gave their highest award
to the mother of a young man who had just been killed by a russian sniper a couple of days before. it's always very moving, and it brings home graphically what the russians have done in ukraine and crimea. crimea, in blatant violation of the budapest agreement for which they recognized crimea as part of ukraine in return for ukraine giving up its nuclear inventory, what do you think we ought to do about russia, general mattis? do you think we ought to maybe have sanctions against russia? or basically sit by, as we have for the last couple of years, and watched their aggression, by the way, including their precision guided weapons against hospitals in aleppo, the list goes on and on of the atrocities that have been committed by vladimir putin while we again
try a reset. i've watched three presidents commit themselves to new relationship with vladimir putin. all three have been an abysmal failure. should we ignore the lessons of history in our relationship with vladimir putin? and what should we be doing? >> chairman, history is not a straitjacket. but i've never found a better guide for the way ahead than studying the history. since yalta, we have a long list of times we've tried to engage positively with russia. we have a relatively short list of successes in that regard. and i think right now the most important thing is to recognize the reality of what we deal with, with mr. putin, and we recognize that he is trying to break the north atlantic alliance, and that we take the steps, the integrated steps, diplomatic, economic, military, and the alliance steps, working
with our allies, to defend ourselves where we must. >> you are a distinguished student of history. and as we are all aware, that following world war ii, a world order was established which has held for basically the last 70 years. do you believe that that world order is now under more strain than it's ever been? >> i think it's under the biggest attack since world war ii, sir. and that's from russia, from terrorist groups, and with what china is doing in the south china sea. >> and that would argue for us making sure we're adequately prepared to meet these challenges? >> i think deterrence is critical right now, sir, absolutely. and that requires the strongest military. >> do you think we have a strong enough military today in order to achieve that goal? >> no, sir. >> i thank you.
senator reed. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. thank you, general, for your testimony, and again for your service. as i mentioned in my opening statement, your comments at csis indicated misgivings about jcpoa, in your words, there's no going back. short of a clear and present violation, that was enough to stimulate the europeans' action that we have to essential stly y the course. is that still your view? >> it's an arms agreement, senator, it's not a friendship treaty. when america gives its word we have to live up to it and work with our allies. >> as i pointed out and as you have recognized and pointed out much more eloquently, challenges arising from the non-nuclear aspects of iranian conduct. proxy support, interference with shipping. in fact there was an incident this week of provocation.
how do you apply appropriate pressure to the iranians to contain their behavior in these areas without jeopardizing the solidarity of the european and world community and the durability of the jcpoa? >> chairman, once the new national security team is confirmed, we'll work together. but i think to publicly display what iran is up to with their surrogates and proxies, their terrorist units that they support, to recognize the ballistic missile threat, to deal with the maritime threat, and to publicly make clear to everyone what they're doing in the cyber realm, all helps to constrain iran. >> thank you. now, if you are to become the secretary of defense, you will be a critical component of the intelligence community.
you produced intelligence through the defense intelligence agency. you can consume intelligence because it is the basis of almost every recommendation or decision you would make. and we are in a very unique situation where we have a president-elect disparaging the intelligence community, questioning its conclusions, and questioning its motivations, suggesting perhaps that there would be some actions taken, perhaps bordering on retribution, for analysis that is being done, we premiusume, i certainly presume, based on tradecraft and allegiance to the facts and the best judgment they can make. do you believe if you observe behavior such as that,
disrupting the intelligence community, disparaging it, undermining it, ignoring it -- again, i could go on. do you feel you have an obligation to the country and the committee to inform the committee of those actions? >> senator, i can tell new my many years of involvement in the military, i had a close relationship with the intelligence community. i could evaluate their effectiveness at times on a daily basis. and i have very, very high degree of confidence in our intelligence community. >> and if you see that community being undercut, not debated about their conclusions, but undercut or somehow ignored or selectively being listened to or ignored, again, do you feel you have an obligation to make us aware of this so we can exercise our responsibilities?
>> i'll be completely transparent with this committee, sir. but i would not have taken this job if i didn't believe the president-elect would also be open to my input on this or any other matter. >> you have talked about the situation with respect to russia. one aspect of that is operations in syria. there has been some discussion, on and off during the campaign, of cooperating with the russians in syria. do you think there's a possibility of that, a likelihood of that, or would that be a good approach? >> senator, russia, to quote the chairman's opening statement, has chosen to be a strategic competitor. they're an adversary in key areas. and while we should always engage and look for areas of cooperation and even in the worst years of the cold war,
president reagan, secretary schultz, were able to work with russia, the soviet union at that time, and reduce the nuclear weapons. so i'm all for engagement. but we also have to recognize reality and what russia is up to. and there's a decreasing number of areas where we can engage cooperatively and an increasing number of areas where we're going to have to confront russia. >> thank you. >> senator inhofe? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i won't take all my time because every question i was going to ask, the chairman was going to ask, and i like the answers. i also am honored to have known you for 30 years. that's not normally the case. i'm so excited that you're willing to do this. the two things that we're concerned with are readiness and what's happened -- that i'm concerned with, is readiness and u.s. influence. a year ago you stated that our influence in the middle east is at its lowest point in four decades. and i agree with that.
we also had confirmation testimony last november by a general who said continuous combat operations and reduced overall budgets have driven readiness to historically low levels. i look and i see senator cohen and senator nunn, i spent time with both of them, i admire them so much. but this isn't like it used to be. right now we have 1/3 of the army brigade combat teams ready to fight in all types warfare. the current air force is the smallest and oldest in air force history yet only half its fighter squadrons are ready to fight in intense combat. general mattis, your marines, the aircraft, their combat, marine aviators, are at historical lows right now in terms of flight time. navy, we have requirements for
308 ships and we only have 274. so this is not like it used to be. i would only say this, i really believe that we'll have to re-look at the priorities we have in this country. i enjoy quoting president reagan when he first came in, he said, quote, starting by considering what must be done to maintain peace and review all the possible threats against our security, then a strategy for strengthening peace and defending against those threats which must be agreed upon. and finally, our defense establishment must be evaluated to see what is necessary to project against any and all of the potential threats. the cost of achieving these ends is totaled up, and the result is the budget for national defense. do you think he was right at that time? >> yes, sir, i do.
>> i'll look forward to that. thank you for being willing to do this. mr. chairman? >> thank you. thank you, general mattis, for also being willing to do this. you and i have had a chance to work together in the past. we also have had a chance to visit. i would like to first briefly talk about the overseas contingency operating fund and the joke that is being -- the cruel joke that is being played on the american public that we have not been able to come together in an honest way and confront the needs of our military and confront the needs of our domestic national security in a bipartisan compromise to allow us to quit putting base military funding in a fund that doesn't have to be paid for. and it's gotten worse every
year. you know, it's such a hypocrisy. it is one of the reasons everybody in america is so disgusted with us, that we can't be honest with the american people about the needs of our country and come together in a bipartisan way to meet them in a way that is responsible in terms of the way that we budget and spend money. tell me how you intend on addressing this important issue going forward. >> senator, the need for our country to maintain a safe and secure nuclear deterrent, a decisive conventional force, while maintaining an irregular capability, is completely understood. and i know it is by this committee. but how do you then translate that into budgetary discipline and managerial integrity of the budget? and as you know, we will bring forward from defense what we think we need for overseas contingencies, for the base
budget, this sort of thing. i believe my desire would be to say everything is in the base budget except for something that legitimately pops up that couldn't be anticipated. but at the same time, we are not in a position there to dictate that. and the bottom line, we will come to you with what is necessary and then support this committee and the congress in justifying it and making certain we have your confidence we're spending every dollar for what we should be spending it on, something we cannot do right now, i'm aware of. but that's my goal in this effort. and i don't have a solution for what the chairman described as a self-inflicted wound of the budget control act. i don't know how to get around this in a way that puts the congress back into its oversight role rather than salami slices of cuts where you don't actually exercise your judgment. >> right. >> i'm much more comfortable with you doing that than some arithmetic. i think i'm with you, i share 100% of your frustration and
your goal. i can't tell you i know how to get there other than giving you my best military advice. >> thank you. i also want to briefly touch on women serving in every military occupational specialty. and you and i had a chance to visit about this at length. i'm particularly proud of the work that has been done on this in my state. since 1999, the leader course has been impressively maintaining completely gender-neutral standards determining who and who does not graduate with that prestigious tab. it is a rigorous physical requirement. despite those rigorous physical demands, over the course of the graduation rates, since 1999, the graduation rates for women and men have both been at about 50%. so understanding that none of us want any standards diminished, and that we've got to maintain
the highest physical standards for the specialties in which men and women are going to serve, can you address for this committee how committed you are going forward to having both men and women serve alongside each other when they are capable of doing the work for our country? >> yes, senator, i can. i think you hit on the point that no standards are changed. the standards are the standards. and when people meet the standards, then that's the end of the discussion on that. i would also add that what we're talking about here is somewhere north of 15% of our force is made up of women. and the reason we're able to maintain an all-volunteer force with very, very high recruiting standards is because we go to males and females. and that same application of that human capital has got to show where they can best serve, that's where they go.
>> thank you, mr. chairman. general mattis, let's talk about israel for a few moments. would you agree that the united states shares common values and strategic interests with israel? >> israel is a fellow democracy and i think israel's security is very, very important to the united states. >> are there any other democracies in the middle east? >> no, sir. >> would you agree that the threat of iran's regional belligerence and nuclear ambitions are a shared threat both to the united states and to israel? >> i agree, and i would add also to our arab partners in the region. >> and i think you said we're going to have to live with what the administration has done with regard to the energy agreement with iran. are you confident that we can monitor the situation with regard to possible violations? do we have that capability?
>> i'll have to the in and look at the classified data. if you confirm me, senator, i believe we can have it. i just can't respond authoritatively right now if we've got those processes in place. >> in your opinion, what do the united states' failure last month to veto the u.n. resolution with regard to israel do to our bilateral relationship with israel? >> sir, i would have to get back and look at that. i say that because i've read what's in the newspaper, and what's going on in both tel aviv and washington and new york. but i do not have a very authoritative view of that right now. i think we have got to restore a better relationship with israel and with our arab allies.
i think there's a sense on their part that we're indifferent to the situation they face, the security situation that they face. >> and we certainly don't need to send the signal that we're indifferent to their situation, do we? >> the greatest generation came home from world war ii recognizing, whether we like it or not, we're part of this world, sir. we're going to have to remember that lesson. >> and i realize this was a foreign policy question, but you're going to be part of the national security and foreign policy team. and let me say that one of my greatest concerns with regard to our failure to veto this resolution and therefore to let it be adopted by the u.n. security council is that people will argue that this establishes international law, and somehow this congress and this new administration are going to have to send the signal that we do not recognize that with regard
to the israeli presence in certain sections of jerusalem, that we do not recognize that resolution as international law, and we are in a tough position there. if you would like to comment on that, i would be glad to hear your thoughts, sir. >> sir, i think ultimately we're going to have to promote peace between the palestinian and the israeli authorities there. and that's going to take time to build that kind of trust. and we should be a partner in trying to build that resolution between those people. wh >> when one speaks of israel maintaining its qualitative military edge over neighbors in the region, what does that mean to you, general? >> sir, it has to do with the technology of the military equipment provided. i would only add that we also
have improving relations between israel and some of those neighbors and where we can work in terms of partnership with both israel and the arab neighbors. we can strengthen everyone's security and stability in the middle east. >> do you believe their qualitative military edge needs to be revitalized? >> i'm not aware that it's not vital now, that it's not fully formed right now. >> and with regard to the thucydides trap, of course secretary cohen has insulted every member of this committee by suggesting we don't understand that, but with regard to that, as i understand it, this occurs when a rising power tries to meet with the power of an already existing and established power.
do you think that is a risk when it comes to our relationship with china, particularly in the asian-pacific region? >> sir, i believe that we're going to have to manage that competition between us and china. there is another piece of wisdom from antiquity that says fear, honor, and interest always seem to be the root causes of why a nation chooses to go to hostilities. and i would just say that what we've got to do is engage diplomatically, engage in terms of alliances, engage economically, and maintain a very strong military so our diplomats are always engaging from a position of strength when we deal with a rising power. >> thank you very much. good luck to you, sir. >> thanks. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and welcome, general mattis, and thank you for your willingness to continue to serve this
country. i have read that in 2005, as commander of the marine corps combat development command, that you asked researchers to, quote, unleash us from the tether of fuel and explore ways to improve the efficiency of military vehicles in order to reduce the strain that energy puts on supply lines, because you, not only when you commanded the first marine division during the 2003 invasion, but you had also seen what happens when our troops outran their fuel supplies. so can you speak to why you think this is important? and will you as secretary of defense continue to support the military's effort to pursue alternative and more efficient sources of energy to reduce our reliance on conventional fuel supplies? >> yes, senator, we will take advantage of every advance in terms of extending our legs, extending our energy efforts.
and certainly there's a lot of progress that's been made. i've been living in silicon valley for the last several years, so you can understand my interest in what they're doing out there in the private sector. >> well, thank you. i think our military is way ahead of much of the rest of government and much of the private sector. and those are lessons that can be shared that will benefit the private sector as well. chairman mccain talked about the threat that russia poses, and listening to your responses it sounded like you also believe that russia poses a threat to the united states and to the -- i think you said the trans-atlantic alliance. today, for the first time since the fall of communism, american troops arrived in poland as part of the european reassurance initiative. how important is it for us to
continue these initiatives to reassure our european allies that we will continue to support them? and how concerned are you that some of president-elect trump's statements with respect to continuing to support nato, to support our allies in europe, has undermined our ability to continue this initiative, and will you support the eri continuing as secretary of defense? >> senator, i do support eri. nato, from my perspective, having served once as a nato supreme allied commander, is the most successful military alliance probably in modern world history, maybe ever. and it was put together, as you know, by the greatest generation coming home from a war to defend europe against soviet incursion by their military, yet the first
time it went to war is when this town and new york city were attacked. it's the first time nato went into combat. so my view is that nations with allies thrive and nations without allies don't. and so i would see us maintain the strongest possible relationship with nato. >> thank you. and are you concerned about some of the statements that president-elect trump has made with respect to our historic european allies and to nato and have you had a chance to have discussions with him, and how confident are you that he recognizes what you've just said about the importance of those relationships? >> senator, i have had discussions with him on this issue. he has shown himself open even to the point of asking more questions, going deeper into the issue about why i feel so strongly. he understands where i stand. and i'll work with the other
members of the team, the national security team, once the senate confirms them, to carry these views forward. >> thank you. you talked about, i think senator inhofe raised the issue of readiness of our troops. when we met we also talked about the national guard and the importance of the guard as being part of the one force that we depend on. readiness is obviously a concern for the national guard as well. in new hampshire, for example, our national guard has experienced at 32% decline in force structure since 2007, much more than many states that are smaller than we are. and they've had trouble with training rotations, resources, equipment, other aspects of readiness. can you commit to us that you, in addition to trying to address readiness with our active duty forces, that you will also look at the guard and reserve and try
and ensure that they also have access to what they need to be ready for deployment? >> senator, i share the chairman's view that we have shrunk our military capability. and one of the things that that forces on us is the awareness, it's not just a strategic reserve anymore in the national guard, it's also an operational reserve. that means they have to be ready to go on very short notice. that's just a reality, when we've shrunk our military to the point we have yet not reduced our strategic obligations. so we are going to have to keep the national guard and the reserves of all the armed forces at the top of their game. we can't deploy them without having them at a high state of readiness, mostly in equipment and training. there's some things obviously they don't do because they're not on duty 365 days a year. but as an operational reserve and strategic reserve, they'll be critical. >> thank you, general. >> thank you, mr. chairman.
thank you, general mattis, for your past service to this country, and thank you again for your willingness to step forward and serve us once again. i was happy to see your responses to the advanced policy questions affirming the importance of nuclear weapons, which you describe as fundamental to our nation's security, and your statement that, quote, we must continue with the current nuclear modernization plans for all three legs of the triad, end quote. when we talked in my office about the triad last week, you brought up i believe a very important point that bears repeating, relating to the icbm force. there is a broad recognition that the legs of the triad have different strengths. the bombers are visible, and therefore they have what i call signaling value. the submarines are highly survivable. and the icbms are the most
responsive leg and they can be launched at a moment's notice. you mentioned the targeting challenge of our icbm force, and what that targeting challenge poses for our adversaries. could you explain that further? >> ma'am, in my review of the triad that you brought up here, senator, i looked at each one of those legs, is it necessary. and i haven't had access to all the classified data, but i had a fair amount of background on this. and some of the aspects of why we have a triad have not changed. so in looking at each leg of it, with the icbm force, it's clear that they are so buried out in the central u.s. that any enemy that wants to take us on is going to have to commit two, three, four weapons to make certain they take each one out. in other words, the icbm force provides a cost composing strategy on an adversary.
and again, what we're trying to do is set such a stance with our triad that these weapons must never be used ever again. and so the deterrent value of the icbm force is that an enemy would have to basically use three or four times as many weapons to take out each individual one. so that's the targeting challenge the enemy faces against the icbm force. >> thank you. and in your answers to this committee's advance questions about whether we are deterring hostile activity in cyber space, you say no, and you continue on to state, quote, to be deterred, our adversaries must know they will suffer consequences from cyber attacks that outweigh any gains they hope to achieve. if they choose to act as adversaries, we will treat them as such, end quote. i completely agree and believe
that more costs must be imposed on those who are responsible for cyber attacks. so this gets to the issue we've discussed in great detail on this committee, which is the lack of an overall policy to respond to cyber attacks. when we discussed this in our recent meeting, you made a point that i believe is also very important, which is that the lack of a policy is potentially destabilizing, because adversaries, unaware of our boundaries, may take a provocative action that forces the united states to act militarily. i believe you characterized it as, quote, stumbling into a conflict. essentially we don't want to find out what constitutes an act of war in cyber space the hard way. can you elaborate on that point for us? >> senator, i believe a lot of crises and even wars have started from missed calculations. so while it's important we make
clear what we stand for, i think in an area such as you're bringing up, cyber, it's also important that our adversaries know what we absolutely will not tolerate. and by making that clear, you're less apt to have somebody stumble into a situation where now we're forced to take action. that said, putting together a policy like this is not something the department of defense can do alone. we certainly have a key role, a fundamental role. but at the same time, from our treasury department, to our commerce department, to our homeland security, we need to get a lot of people in a room to put this policy together. i realize it's a new domain. but that doesn't give us an excuse not to address it on an urgent basis. >> thank you, sir. i look forward to working with you on that. this committee has been focused on cyber. we are looking for a policy. and i look forward to developing one with you. and i invite you to come to
nebraska and visit, i would love to be there when you're there. thank you. >> senator gillenbrand. >> thank you. do you plan on rolling back the participation of women based on your previous statements? >> senator, i've never come into a job with a preformed agenda of changing anything. i come in assuming people before me deserve respect for the job they did and the decisions they made. >> i ask specifically because in previous speeches, one from the marines memorial club in san francisco in 2015, you were asked specifically about whether we should open infantry positions and special forces combat jobs to women. and you said you did not think it was a good idea. you said when you mix, you know
that when you mix arrows, when you mix affection for one another, that could be manifested sexually, i don't care if you go anywhere in history, you will not find where this has worked, never has it worked. then in a previous speech on april 23rd, 2014, you said the idea of putting women in there is not setting them up for success. could we find a woman who could run fast enough? of course we could. could we find a few who could do the pullups? of course we could, that's not the point, that's not the point at all, it's whether or not you want to mix arrows. and so in both of these question and answer sessions, you said you do not think you could do it. have you changed your view on this issue? >> senator, i was not in a position to go back into government when i made those statements. there are many policies that have been enacted over many years, including the years since i've been on active duty. i'm coming in with the understanding that i lead the department of defense, and if someone brings me a problem,
then i'll look at it. but i'm not coming in looking for problems. i'm looking for ways to get the department so it's at the most lethal stance. and in that regard, it's all about military readiness. i'm looking for military readiness and what we can do in that regard. >> do you plan to oppose women serving in these combat roles? >> i have no plan to oppose women in any aspect of our military. in 2003 i had hundreds of marines who happened to be women serving in my 23,000-person marine division. and this is ten years before i retired. and i put them right into the front lines alongside everyone else. >> so you no longer believe that eros is a problem when men and women are serving together? >> i believe if we are going to execute policies like this, we had better train our leaders so they can handle all things that
come from a policy that decided this town. that's our responsibility, to train our young leaders. >> we're going to break away momentarily from the senate armed services committee hearing to go to the senate intelligence committee hearing. mike pompeo, the congressman, is getting ready to testify. there he is, he's been nominated to become the cia director. let's listen in briefly. >> and your kindness. i sure know that i have. thank you so much, great to be here this morning. senator roberts, thank you too for your warm introduction. i'm especially grateful for your guidance over the years, not simply because you're the dean of the kansas congressional delegation, but due to the insights you've shared with me in your role as the former chairman of this committee, semper fi, sir. >> i may have to leave early. i finally got a client. >> senator, i completely understand, thank you very much
for being here, sir. >> chairman burr, vice chairman, senators, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today as the nominee of the director of the central intelligence agency. i want to thank the staff of this committee too for your kindness and attention through the nomination process. i would like to thank president-elect trump for nominating me. it's an honor to be selected as the next steward of the world's premier intelligence agency. i look forward to working with senator coats, the nominee for the director of national intelligence, and supporting him in his critical role should we both be confirmed. i also want to thank director brennan and director clapper for their many, many years of selfless service to our nation. i'm grateful of course to the people of the fourth district of kansas who have entrusted me for the past six years and change to represent them in the united states house of representatives. it has been a true honor. and finally, i want to thank my patient and patriotic wife susan and my son nicholas, each of whom i love dearly. the two of you have been so
selfless in allowing me to return to public service, first as a member of congress and now keeping america safe. i can't tell you how much it means to me for you to be here today. having been a member on the house select committee on intelligence, i understand that my job will be to change roles from the central of policy making to information provider. the director must stay clearly on the side of collecting intelligence and providing objective analysis to policymakers including to this committee. i spent the majority of my life outside of politics. first as an army officer, then as a litigator, then running a manufacturing business in kansas. returning to duty is something that is in my bones. today i would like to briefly sketch some of the challenges i see facing the united states, address trends and intelligence, and describe what i see as the central intelligence agency role in addressing each of those. this is the most complicated
threat environment the united states has seen in recent memory. isis remains a resilient movement that still controls major urban centers throughout the middle east. we must ensure that they and those they inspire cannot expand their reach or slaughter more innocent people. the conflict in syria is one of the most humanitarian catastrophes in the 21st century. it has led to the rise of second-tier yse sectarianism. iran. the world's largest state sponsor of terror has become an even more emboldened and disrupt player in the middle east. russia has reasserted itself, threatening europe, invading ukraine, and doing nothing to aid in the destruction and defeat of isis. as china expands its military and economic reach, its activities in the south and east china seas and in cyber space are pushing new bound rharies a
creating real tension. north korea too has dangerously accelerated its nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities. we all rely on intelligence from around the globe to avoid strategic and tactical surprise. intelligence helps make the other elements of national power effective, including economic and legal measures against weapons proliferators, terrorist financiers and other criminals. foreign governments and liaison services are vital partners in preventing attacks and providing crucial intelligence. it's important that we all thank and appreciate the foreign partners who stand with us in helping make sure we all have the intelligence we need to keep america safe. if confirmed, i intend to advocate for a strong and vibrant intelligence community and for cia's sevcentrality. the intelligence community finds itself a potential victim of long term negative budgetary trends which can weaken the fabric of our intelligence
worldwide. in his first speech abroad he urged them to purge their communities of, quote, the foot soldiers of evil. the man who campaigned heavily on a proposed muslim ban today asked islamic leaders in the middle east to unite with america in the global fight against terrorism. let's get out to nick robinson in the saudi capital where president trump gave that speech today. nick. >> reporter: ana, part of president trump's message seemed to be to alleviate the concerns of those in the room that under president obama they lost the support of the united states. he said our friends never need to question our support, a reassuring message for those in the room, but he had a tone that was designed, if you will, draw the audience in. he said, i'm not here to tell you how to live your lives, that we have common values, and through those common values we can find common security. he also said that what's
troubling the region is not an issue of a contest between faith. >> this is not a battle between different faiths, different sects or different civilizations. this is a battle between barbaric criminals who seek to obliterate human ligfe and decet people, all in the name of religion. people that want to protect life and want to protect their religion. this is a battle between good and evil. >> reporter: but he also made the point that it was up to the countries in the middle east to take this into their own hands, to take the issues into their own hands, not to leave it to the united states to drive the terrorists from their places of worship, he said, to drive the terrorists from their lands. he said they needed to be honest in how they faced up to this issue of islamic extremism. >> of course, there is still
much work to be done. that means honestly confronting the crisis of islamic extremism and the islamists and islamic terror of all kinds. we must stop what they're doing to inspire because they do nothing to inspire but kill. >> reporter: there was no sign of dissent among the 55 presidents, prime ministers, amirs and kings gathered in the room. but at a late forum, the emirate foreign minister was critical of european nations saying they couldn't point the finger at the middle east and say the extremist problem is in the middle east, that they in europe have a problem that they need to deal with that problem, that if they don't deal with it, then there will be more extremists coming from europe than the middle east. very strong language. not saying that the united states was at fault, but pointing the finger at europe. this message, this idea that
president trump's visit could be an historic reset between the west and the arab muslim world, well, the emirate foreign minister appearing to undermine that. ana. >> nic robertson, thank you. inside arabia tonight. what is being described as a watergate scandal continues to bear down on the white house. we're learning the house intelligence committee has asked to interview caputo who has tie toss russia and who worked there a number of years. we want to bring in mike quigley, on the house intelligence committee. thank you for joining us, congressman. i know your committee asked to see special documents from caputo. why has he become part of your committee's investigation? >> well, i will say that there's a long list of who's on our witness list. i mean the good news is the investigation in the house side is back on track. tuesday director brennon will be
testifying before us. clear those hearings are beginning again. those references you made to particular individuals, there are a lot of others. we're preparing those deposition like briefings very soon. at the same time we continue to review documents on a weekly basis. i guess the good news is the investigation is back on track while we hear all ofne these prs release statements coming out about particular witnesses. we're going to move forward as a hole. >> now, a source close to jim acosta or close to the investigation tells jim acosta caputo wants to clear his name in public testimony. is the committee open to that? >> look, there have been any number of people who are involved in this investigation who have said that they're willing to come forward and clear their name. some have asked for immunity. you know, we have heard that general flynn has asked for
immunity. it is way too soon to think about something like that. we have a companion justice department investigation, a senate investigation taking place at the same time. you know, we have to work in concert with both of them as well as a dod investigation of general flynn apparently. we're hoping to open and close hearings. in my mind the more open this investigative process is, the better it is, the american public has a right to know what took place. under each circumstance it will be a little bit different. obviously we can't have confidential top secret information revealed. >> right. we know the tuesday hearing as far as my understanding of what's on the house intelligent website will be part open, part closed. you talked about jim brennon coming on. what do you want to ask him? >> you know, the big question would be when did the intelligence community find out exactly what the russians were
doing, particularly hacking, and how did they react? how quickly and effectively did they respond? another series of questions would obviously be, you know, what are the russian's goals? what are their tactics? where are they taking this tactics on across the world? what is their overall plan there and here in the united states? >> now, just this weekend we learned that president trump apparently bragged to the russians about firing former fbi director james comey, that comey believed the president was trying to influence him. what's your reaction to this new reporting? >> you know, what's disturbing about all of this is ever since the investigation began i felt like the white house was attempting to distract and deflect and delay the investigation. the revelations that have taken place in the last month are far more disturbing. they approach obstruction, you know, firing the person who's investigating you. threatening them with tweets,
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was named as would be one of tht books to explain trump's win. will his voters take note of his speech and his lack of using those three words today? >> i think it is difficult to generalize because there is not a single trump voter. there are many types of trump voters. the two broad buckets i would put some of the conversations i've had with some of the trump supporters in the past day or so is that, you know, there are folks who are certainly a little bothered maybe by some of the things that they're hearing, some folks who won't be especially happy he has discarded some of the tougher rhetoric during the campaign, but fundamentally they're going to stick with him. i think you have the core group of trump voters who because american politics is fundamentally an us versus them game, they're never going to abandon trump. that's probably, my guessst around, about 20 pearls of the electorate. those folks, while they may be a little unhappy with things trump does day-to-day, at a
impression that they're not getting a whole lot done. now, of course, it has only been 120 days so far, so that feeling hasn't really set in very deeply, but i do think that if a year from now we're looking back on the same basic arguments we've been having, the same twitter battles, the same investigation and no major pieces of legislation have been bass pass, there haven't been material improvements in some of the issues that drove people to vote for trump in the first place, i think that will cause some significant political problems for him down the road. >> j.d., we only have like 30 seconds, but when it comes to the russia investigation, which obviously the huge news back here at home, presume has called it a witch hunt. he's basically said it is a hoax in some ways. do his supporters care about getting to the bottom of russia's meddling in the election? >> well, some of them certainly do, and i think there are a lot of folks that are concerned about it though, like i said, no
current to the point they're ready to completely discard their man. but i will say that this implements something much more fundamental and troubling in our public discourse, is that people don't trust the media. a lot of times you hear folks who will be a little worried about what they're hearing coming out of the trump/russia investigation, but at the same time they'll say, look, we don't trust the press. that's something bigger than the republican party or donald trump, but it is difficult for us to have the conversation when we don't have shared facts and we can't have shared facts when we have at least some acceptance of who is giving us the facts. >> robert mueller facing criticism from an unlikely place. what the sports world has to say about the man leading the russia investigation. plus, startling video of a sea lion yanking a small girl into the water. what led up to this terrifying
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also know, who has a stellar reputation for no nonsense. >> now, contrast that with almost universal scepticism from the sports world. you see, mueller's last high-profile investigation was back in 2014, the case of nfl star ray rice, who knocked out his fiance in an elevator in atlantic city. the nfl, specifically commissioner roger goodell, came under intense scrutiny for only suspending rice for two games after the video of the incident was released. the leak claimed they had not seen that video, and robert mueller was hired by the nfl to investigate whether that was true. after four months mueller cleared goodell when he announced no one in the nfl had seen that assault video prior to it being public. many in the sports world questioned whether thhe was rewarded by the league that
hired you. you call mueller, quote, an institutionallist. explain. >> yes, i called him an institutionallist and someone who at least in the nfl case was more of a deodorizer than an exterminator, like somebody who was brought in by roger goodell and the national football league effectively to protect the institution of the national football league, brought in by roger goodell at a time when many columnists, many pundits were calling for roger goodell's job and got in there to say roger goodell did nothing wrong, although the nfl had problems with x, y and z. the other thing that mueller did with the nfl investigation was that he kept the focus extremely narrow on the question of did the nfl cover up the ray rice videotape and not the broader mandate a lot of people wanted him to look at, which is whether under roger goodell there were serial cover ups of violence against women.
there were a combined 13 games players were suspended for 55 instances. a lot of people thought, this is robert mueller, he will come in and look at this in the broadest possible scope. instead, it was about protecting the institution of the national football league, keeping it very narrow. now, i think the comparison to right now, which i think is very interesting, is because, yeah, robert mueller is an institutionallist, comes from the ivy league, comes in from the highest echelons to preserve institutions. it will be interesting to see if it bends toward protecting the basic trust people have in the executive branch. >> i'm trying to figure out where you think the motivation would be for him to try to push a person outcome. >> yeah, i mean honestly all i'm trying to do is read the tea leaves of what happened in the national football league and see
first tee gives if it gives us any clue as to his basic approach of what we'll see in this investigation. what do we know from looking at this national football league investigation? we know he came from a law firm that had tons of nfl executives that came from the lanranks of wilmer hail. we see one of the partners represents jared kushner and e ivanka trump. he has taken a leave from wilmer hale because of conflict of interest. >> don't you think it is vastly different this time? >> yes. he had a mandate to investigate the national football league and he played it very light. when it was done, all of the power players were still in play. he was not an exterminator, he was a deodorizer so the league could keep the trains running on time. what does it tell us if anything about how he will approach this investigation? i frankly don't have an answer to that question, but i think the reason why -- and i'm
certainly not alone in this -- a lot of folks in the sports world were far more skeptical he would come in and be the cleanup man on this particular case, because we saw what happened with the national football league. for a lot of us, it is like that's our first exposure to robert mueller, so wire 'likhatg to change with this guy. >> still to come, the president may have some explaining to do it. is headed to israel in a few hours. there's a good chance you will be asked about intel he reportedly leaked to the russians. next, prime minister netanyahu's message prior to his arrival. 4g lte network in america. it's basically made for places like this. honey, what if it was just us out here? right. so, i ordered you a car. thank you. you don't want to be out here at night 'cause of the, uh, coyotes. ok, thanks, bud. bye.
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classified intelligence during this meeting with russian officials inside the oval office. this intelligence apparently came from israel and it was so sensitive it hadn't even been shared with some of our other allies. joining us to talk about what could be a tight walk rope of diplomacy, cnn political commentator peter binart. is this something mr. benjamin netanyahu would want to address with president trump? >> i doubt it. i think there's a lot of concern among israeli intelligence officials but netanyahu wants to get along with trump. trump offers the same thing as he is offering the saudis, first of all a hard line giagainst ir which is what israeli wants. if benjamin netanyahu gets those two things he will leave the intelligence people to deal with it privately in terms of future interactions with their american counterpart and make it all smiles with trump. >> he had a message for the president, and he put it on
twitter, one of the president's favorite platforms. >> mr. president, we look forward to your visit. the citizens of israel will receive you with open arms. >> would it be in the united states and the president's best interests to, i guess, to be too friendly with netanyahu in this visit? >> no, i think it is very much in trump's interest to be friendly with netanyahu. israel is very popular inside the republican party. >> but in terms of the peace deal, i imagine there's some sensitivity in terms of how he addresses this. david miller for example said it probably wouldn't push the ball forward if he were to walk away with all smiles during this visit. >> i don't believe there's a ball. i think it is -- to be honest i think it is a far ace. i don't think donald trump has the basic level of knowledge or stamina or patience that would be required to make a serious effort towards palestinian/israeli peace, plus the circumstances are not right
for it. the palestinians are weak and divided, benjamin netanyahu doesn't want a palestinian think. it looks like a lot of theater. the real game is america supporting a harder line against iran, which is what the saudis and israelis want. i think in terms of the palestinians, i think benjamin netanyahu will have a free rein. >> this region is obviously complex. we learned today that the u.s. ambassador, friedman, he was at the jerusalem day celebrations. that was seen as controversial, that move. how do you think the saudis received that? >> i think truthfully the saudis don't care that much about the palestinians. what they really care is about an american president who is going to support their cold war against iran, their war in yemen, and the palestinians for them take a back seat to all of that. they know that donald trump -- i suspect they know -- is not going to do very much on the palestinian cause, but they're a self-interested government and the palestinians are not their
priority. >> jared kushner was supposed to be the man to broker the middle east peace deal. do you expect him to take on a larger role during this visit? >> sure, but in what universe would we think jared kushner has the qualifications to do that? he has no expertise or golf classic ground on this whatsoever. so, you know -- >> dow think it is odd he was given this task? >> you know, look, he has been given a huge number of tasks by donald trump because donald trump runs the government like a family business. basically the people close to him tend to take the jobs in previous administrations professionals also took. he probably sees jared kushner as a liaison to the jewish community. but he doesn't have the background i think would be required to get it done. again, even a much more competent administration would struggle given the circumstances are not very ripe. >> thanks so much, peter beinart. good the talk with you. >> thank you. >> still ahead, president donald trump brought a message to muslims in saudi arabia that sounded nothing like candidate trump. how did this new tone go over
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muslim-american men with opposing views of president trump. new york times contributor and founder and chairman of muslim-americans for trump. president trump avoided saying radical islamic terrorist, three words he used often on the campaign trail. did that omission make a difference to you? >> it doesn't make a difference. he has done a wonderful job. we are humbled that he started his first word with saudi arabia, and the keyword, drive them out. you know, $100 billion for the american economy and neutralizing the gift of barack obama to iran, making iran a threat to the american allies. we think he has done a good job. whether the threating is coming in the 21st century. he is delivering his man dade.
he was received by 50 muslim leaders there and he was received, you know, like a king and everything. >> right. >> to be honest with you, we are so happy he achieved his objectives. >> so, waja ha, you said his speech was only good for golf countries and not for repairing relations with muslims. do not let commentators fawning over it, saudi arabia is smiling ear to ear, they get everything and then some. trump is a businessman, he says the arms deal will create thousands of jobs in the u.s. explain your dismay. >> it should be called make saudi arabia great again. muslim-americans for trump, respectfully, you're killing me. it is like chickens for colonel sanders. this is what i called a beautiful marriage between ugly hypocrites. donald trump got his dowery by saudi family. he bent and did a curt situate
and was given a royal necklace in exchange for saudi arabia forgetis his two year campaign of islamophobia and calling them out for being directly responsible for 9/11 twice and saying they're enablers of terrorism. it was all wash away. i think islam hates us because they got $350 billion worth of arms that they will use to fuel the sectarian war and fire in humanitarian crisis that is yemen, in syria and in lebanon. what is worse, ana, this was not a speech for islam or muslim majority countries. all saudi arabia wants is legitimacy of center of islam that they are not given because it supports an extreme version of islam. donald trump gave them legitimacy, $350 billion worth of arms they will use in yemen,
in syria. so saudi arabia is smiling ear to ear. saudi arabia got everything it want. i will say this, sometimes i was listening to the speech i'm like, wow, it sounds like a saudi arabia p.r. agent wrote this for donald trump. and if you lavish donald trump with pling and praise he bends and does curt situates. >> how do you respond? >> my response is criticizing donald trump these days is a business. a lot of people have opened shops on it. a lot of politicians are trying to get the glory out of it. my say is this, these people a few weeks back were criticizing the ban on countries and he is anti-islam. the bottom line is this. he realized in 21st century is what is a threat is extremism and he is dealing with it. during his campaign he continuously promised he would
deliver, and these people, critics -- i mean will be critics all the time. like i told you, they've opened up the shop and doing business on criticizing donald trump which is not fair. they're not talking about what happened during the campaign. donald said thing, they're going witch hunting now and criticizing left and right. people are getting sick of it. >> you think that people who are critics of trump will be critics no matter what. they're not open minded to hearing when he does something positive, is that your viewpoint? >> thank you. and matter of fact thing is this i wanted to say. first time in american history the president who realized where the future threats are and he has started his trip from saudi arabia, israel and then rome. there should be -- they should see something before they're criticizing it. this is a wonderful job. only a non- -- a professional politician would not have done it, taking such a huge risk starting from there. instead of appreciating it,
muslims like myself, we are so thankful that -- because we are victim of terrorism ourselves. who is going to demonize -- >> should he have addressed the human rights issues and oppression in that reeg gion as american leader and representing this democracy and some of the values of america? >> of course. he's there -- he is there, he is promoting that. $110 billion, that obviously trade deals with the saudis and not only this, six gulf states -- >> where did he promote human rights. >> he didn't. >> in his remark? >> no, his is a trade trip. it is not a fashion show trip up there. he's not there to promote the civil liberties or other things. he is going there trying to neutralize what barack obama did, giving $400 million gift to iran, destabilizing the whole region. those are fighting in syria, those are fighting in iraq. those have become a threat to
muslim allies. he is trying to neutralize that. >> it is not too late, come back from the dark side, brother. i still believe in you. there's a light in you still. >> your shop will be closed pretty soon. >> ana, i'm not an llc right now, but, listen. >> you got 10 seconds. aim so sorry to cut you off. >> this is not criticizing for nothing, criticizing for nothing. >> this was a great short term and long term benefit between trump administration and saudis and the gulf countries for economic gain. >> that is your opinion. >> for promotion of defense industries and for a sectarian war that will destabilize the region and increase extremism. >> we have to leave it there. thank you. people in chicago are raising a collective voice in support of immigrants and refugees in their city. this is called the one chicago campaign, kicked off today. chicago's response to president trump's threat to cut federal funding to so-called sanctuary cities. to date a federal judge has blocked that executive order
from going into effect. immigration arrests across the nation are up 40% since trump took office. we have some breaking news just in to cnn. a major development in a brutal killing that happened last night on a college campus in maryland. police have formally charged a university of maryland student with stabbing another student to death, and now maryland police are confirming the killer was a member of a racist facebook group used by more than 1100 people who make the victim from another school. police do not believe he was provoked by the victim. lots to learn here. the name has not bye-bye released. still ahead, chinese dumplings, noodles, patties, are you hungry? all this on an all new episode of "parts unknown." (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
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you got to see this. come look. video taken out of canada. a little girl sitting on the dock near the water and a sea layon who attracted tourists jumps out of the the water yanking that little girl off the edge of the pier by her dress. it pulls her in. you see a man jump in to rescue the girl. obviously, a very big scare, but thankfully nobody was hurt. on tonight's new episode of "parts unknown", anthony takes us to queens. >> eat your way through various areas of south america. you don't have to go far. it's right across the river.
and i know that queens is awesome, but i don't spend much time there. i'm always surprised to see the difference between neighborhoods. you can take the number 7 train and get off at a different stop. food and culture and people and businesses. this is a show donald trump will hate. >> why? >> because this is what america looks like. this is what his city looks like. we are an immigrant nation. that is abundantly and profoundly clear in queens. >> in one part of new york city. >> it's a big part. it's maybe the most exciting area to eat. >> when you talk about how it sort of epitomized america, i want to read to you what one of the people you talked to said a about this zone. if the american dream is alive anywhere, i think it's alive in
a place like queens. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. a place you can come and surround yourself to some extent with the comforts of home and familiar faces, but also walk five blocks over and have a hamburger and take the subway to e see the mets. >> you can have a hamburger, but you can also have the street food on rosevelt avenue. you have tibeten food, spanish food, beef patties, this is all within queens. which neighborhood is the best? >> i love the chinese korean neighborhoods. it's so much better than china town. >> it's really u authentic. >> cooking for chinese people
and not worried about attracting anybody. they don't need anybody else's business. they are going to keep it right. particularly korean food. more resolutely have refused to change or adapt their food to other flavors. they are not preparing it the way it should be made, the way taught them or whatever they learned and have kept it real chrks is what makes it so exciting. >> so what's the one thing people need to try? >> put your toe in the water with korean barbecue. it's pretty accessible. >> anthony bourdain starts in just a moment. but first, i want to take a note to honor the passing of a former reporter. he worked for cnn from 1983 to 2001. found himself on the scene of many major stories mm among them, one of the first to enter saudi arabia after the invasion
democrats. members of congress here here from both sides of the aisle to talk about wa happened today. let's turn back to the breaking news, "the washington post" explosive report that the president of the united states is currently under a criminal investigation for the obstruction of justice. responding in a statement, a spokesman for the president's attorney did not dispute the post report, saying only the fbi leak of information regarding the president is outrageous, inexcusable, and illegal. joining me now, "the washington post's" sari horwitz, one of the reporters who broke this tire. sari, this would seem to confirm what james comey appeared to indicate, what many have been sort of hinting at, but squarely you guys have nailed down that apparently robert mueller is looking at obstruction of justice. >> yes. you're right, chris, that the former fbi director in his testimony did seem to be laying out a case of possible obstruction. but what we found out that, indeed, the special counsel, robert mueller, has expanded,
widened the investigation to look at the president specifically and obstruction of justice. and we know that there are some important interviews this week, including senior intelligence officials who are coming before him really as witnesses because of conversations they, like fbi director comey, had with the president about the russia investigation. >> so these are dan coats, the director of national intelligence, and mike rogers, who is the national security agency, previous reporting in your paper has indicated both of these men were asked by president in a meeting in the oval office where he asked everyone else to leave, if they could do anything about the flynn investigation, a kind of pattern of behavior, if true, very similar to what james comey said about what the president did to him. >> yes. well, no, actually what we reported was that dan coats, who is the director of national intelligence, shortly after he was confirmed, was in the meeting in the oval office with another official, not mike rogers. >> i'm sorry. >> with another official. and he was asked by the president if he could do something to get comey to back
illegal. the fbi leak of information regarding the president is outrageous, inexcusable and illegal. what do you say to that? >> as we reported in our story, we have five sources. we don't say where they're from. we don't identify where they're from at all. >> all right. sari horwitz, excellent reporting. thank you for making some time tonight. >> thank you, chris. >> joining me now, former chief justice department spokesman matt miller. the line from the white house after the comey testimony was the president is not personally under criminal investigation. it now appears to be the case the president is personally under criminal investigation. >> yeah. i think we talked about the time. that was an obviously stupid statement to make because whatever donald trump's status was at the time jim comey last told him he wasn't under investigation, the fact that he fired comey, the fact that now it's come to light that he asked him to back off the flynn investigation was going to mean he very soon would be under criminal investigation if he wasn't already. it was a remarkably, i think --
it was just dumb. there's no other way to say it. to put all of your eggs in the basket of donald trump was vindicated when it was very likely that within a few days, and now, six days later it turns out he wasn't vindicated. in fact, he is under criminal investigation. >> to kasowitz's line, the president's attorney that i just asked sari about, you and i have talked before about investigators keeping investigations closely held because to not be prejudicial. but it's also the case as an investigation widens, and this is something you've said on this show. as an investigation widens, necessarily more and more people will have knowledge of parts of it as investigators start interviewing more and more people. that, to me, is a real problem for the white house at this point. >> yeah. it's absolutely the case. i mean this is what happens because when you go out and start interviewing people, not only do more people know about what's happening, but they know what you're investigating because of the questions you ask them. so when you call dan coats and when you call mike rogers and
when you call richard legity and tell them we want to talk to you about your conversations with the president when he asked you to intervene, when he asked you to make public statements, it's very clear that the president's under obstruction of justice. as sari noted in the last segment, there are five people confirmed in that story. if you look at where this investigation is likely to go now, it's likely to go to people like jeff sessions, who might have talked with the president, it seems, given that he wouldn't answer the question yesterday. it's likely to go to the upper reaches of the white house where you have to assume that director mueller is going to want to know what did the president say to all of those people about the russia investigation. what did he ask them to do? who did he ask them to intervene with, and why? what did he tell them abo why he was firing jim comey? all those people are going to have to decide do they want to take a risk for donald trump that they lie, that they perjure themselves and spend many years in jail for him. >> i want to be clear about the stakes here because in some ways, much of the current issue started with michael flynn apparently lying to federal
investigators who asked him about his calls with sergey kislyak. and that is a felony. i mean people get prosecuted for lying to federal investigators. and just to be clear here, my sense is that that obtains here, right? i mean this is an fbi investigation. if he's going to you, dan coats, or whoever, if you are lying to him or not telling the truth under penalty of criminal sanction? >> that's absolutely right. if you lie to an fbi vector, ine investigator, and you lie on the grand jury and they can prove it, you will go to jail. there's another problem for white house aides and senior administration officials that regular people in the private sector don't have which is, you and i, if the fbi comes to you and wants to talk about something, we can decline to cooperate. that's not tenable for a senior white house staff. it's generally thought that you cannot take the fifth amendment and continue to serve in a senior government position. i assume that will still be the case in this administration. i will assume if people aren't willing to cooperate with the
fbi, if they're taking the fifth inside the grand jury, they have to leave the government. >> we should be clear that is the constitutional protection of anyone, and that pertains to anyone in the white house. no one can be compelled or forced to testify at the risk of self-incrimination. >> yeah. everyone has that right, but not everyone has the right to work in a senior position in the u.s. government. >> right. and there's two avenues here, both of which ty appear to have been trying to avoid, both of which would be escalations from a kin of p.r. perspective. the invocation formally of executive privilege to hide people, stop them from testifying, or pleading the fifth. both of those would be very problematic for the headlines they would create. >> yeah. well, let's just play that out in one very obvious exam. so jeff sessions wouldn't invoke executive privilege yesterday but it's clear that's where he was going. he's the head of the justice department obviously. if the fbi comes and wants to do an interview with jeff sessions and he declines to do that interview because of this executive privilege claim either informal or because the president formally invokes it,
that's an extremely awkward position for the attorney general. it would force bob mueller to subpoena him to the grand jury and force an exclusive privilege showdown where mueller would go to an appellate court and argue that the need for criminal information trumps executive privilege. that is what courts have held in the past in water and recently in the '90s. >> that is the pandora's box they would be opening by that invocation. matt miller, thanks for your time. i'm joined by hakeem jeffries and leonard nance of new jersey. i'm so glad you're here. i'm so glad you're safe. obviously everyone in the country is pulling for your colleague, steve scalise and all the people that were injured today. they're in our thoughts. they've been in our thoughts all day. i want to talk about the wrenching day you had, but i want to start with this news and start with you congressman lance. the president of the united states, it appears, is currently under personal criminal investigation by the special counsel. what's your reaction to that news? >> i support mr. mueller in his
investigation, and i think that he will do a fine job and a thorough job and let the chips fall where they may. >> what do you mean by let the chips fall where they may? >> i want toee the report from mr. mueller, and i assume it will be a complete report. and i presume it will involve all aspects of this situation, chris. >> the fact you support him, and then congressman jeffries, i'll get your response as well. the fact you support him, i just want to be clear because there are many members of congress, republicans who have called into question his integrity, whether he's unbiased. louie gohmert, who say colleague of yours, referred to him as dirty. you're saying you don't agree with that characterization. you trust him? >> i do trust mr. mueller. i was the first republican in congress to say that attorney general sessions should recuse himself in any matter regarding russia, and i think that the appointment of mr. mueller by the deputy attorney general, in his capacity as acting attorney general, was an excellent appointment. >> all right. congressman jeffries, the
president's central line has been the president is not under personal investigation. that appears to no longer be operative. what does that mean to you? >> well, as leonard said, first of all, bob mueller is a talented launch professional. he's respected by democrats and republicans, and i'm confident that he will follow the facts wherever that may lead. it is an extraordinary development in a year of extraordinary developments h and it is following the typical rhythm of a washington scandal. you know, there's the potential crime, in this case, possible collusion between russian spies and members of the trump campaign team. and then there's always the concern about cover-up. in this particular instance, it's now gone all the way up to the top at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, and there's a legitimate question that the american people deserve answers to as to whether president donald trump engaged in obstruction of justice or abuse of power. >> so to follow up on that, there's reporting from "the new york times" the president was seriously considering firing robert mueller.
just now in the wake of this news, his son, who is obviously a noted advocate on behalf of his father, re-tweeting someone calling for the investigation to be shut down. what do you see as your constitutional duty as a member of congress should the president try to take steps to shut down this inquiry at this point? >> well, i think the judiciary committee that i serve on, along with the intelligence committee both in the house and the senate, have an obligation to continue to make sure that we conduct a thorough, independent congressional investigation. i support an independent commission for that purpose so that we can ultimately get to the bottom of what happened in terms of the underlying potential crime of collusion as well as any attempts to cover it up. and hopefully this is not an issue of partisan politics. this is an issue of, you know, americs coming together regardless of whetherou're democrats or republicans to ensure there's a full, fair, and independent investigation and that there's no interference with what the special prosecutor is doing on behalf of the american people. >> congressman lance, to you, is
it important for republicans on the hill to send the signal whether publicly or privately to the white house that republicans on the hill would not stand for attempts to end this investigation or to remove mueller? >> yes. i think it is, and i've sent that message through this program this evening. i do not think mr. mueller should be discharged. dr chris, one wonder who's would discharge him. i would imagine it would have to be the deputy attorney general, and i would imagine the deputy attorney general would not do that given his testimony recently here on the hill. >> yeah. of course that's correct. it would be the deputy attorney general. he said he wanted -- in nixon's case, he fired people until he got someone who would. i want to turn now to what happened today. it was horrifying. i think everyone feels shaken having worked on capitol hill as a reporter there, i know how much everyone is sort of in each other's space all the time. how are you feeling, congressman
lance, about what happened today, and what has the atmosphere been like in that building today? >> it's been very somber, very sad. of course we were all horrified in a bipartisan capacity on the events this morning. i know steve scalise. i know him relatively well, and i thought that the remarks at the lunch hour by speaker ryan and democratic leader pelosi were eloquent. i thought the speaker was particularly eloquent, and i think we're coming together in this matter, and i hope of course that this never occurs again. and i think it demonstrates, chris, that we have to try to work together, listen to other people o the oer side of the island, and work in what is the greategood for the american nation. >> congressman jeffries, if i'm not mistaken, you're playing in this softball game tomorrow night. it's a great baseball game. it's a great tradition. you know, it has always struck
me it's a great thing about america that even post-9/11, as security is ramped up in lots of places, members of congress are still accessible and approachable, and you can talk to them, and sometimes you can see them in washington getting a cup of coffee, or they might be in your district. how important is it to maintain that? >> extremely important. this is a representative democracy of course, chris. and as a result of that, the people need to be able to talk to their representatives, share their thoughts, their feelings, their concerns, and petition their government, which is their first amendment right. it's essential to the functioning and the integrity of our democracy, and so i think despite the shocking developments, the sadness, the surrealness of the day, that democrats and republicans remain committed to that responsibility that we have to serve the people that we represent and to be accessible. i do think that there will probably be a re-evaluation as to some of the security procedures, particularly whenever large groups of members of congress get together such as at the republican baseball
practice. hopefully also, chris, this will be a moment of clarity for the left and for the right, for democrats, republicans, for the white house, for congress, for people inside the beltway and outside the beltway that we all should rethink about the need to dial down the rhetoric. we can disagree without being disagreeable. >> congressman, you're nodding your head, and i saw members coming out of the closed-door briefing today, republican and democrat, talking about their feelings of threat, the rise in death threats, the sort of atmosphere of the country at this time. do you feel like you're under threat? >> um, i've held four town hall meetings in the last two and a half months, and we had a good deal of security at the town hall meetings. i don't feel threatened, but i'm certainly pleased that there is security. i agree with hakeem that i think when there are 10 or 15 members of congress, in the future there should probably be better security.
the baseball game is a tremendous tradition here. i of course hope that we republicans win, and, chris, that's why i am not a player because i was a right fielder in grade school where i could do the least amount of damage, and i'm sure hakeem is an excellent player, and i'm sure he will do very well for the democrats. i will be rooting tomorrow for the republicans. >> congressman lance, something tells me you had that line all ready to go. congressman jeffries, what is your position? >> well, i play left field. i hope to dowell. no one will mistakee for k griffey jr., but we are going to compete, both democrats and republicans. may the best team win, and then we'll all come together as americans afterward. >> i want to thank both of you afor appearing jointly tonight. i think it was important given what happened today. i do hope obviously the best for everyone and that we can maintain this kind of openness. as you said, congressman lance, people do talk to each other across different viewpoints. but i really appreciate you both coming out tonight.
thank you both. >> thank you, chris. we'll have much more on both breaking news stories tonight. first, watergate prosecutor jill wine-banks and paul butler join me to talk about the reporting that president trump is being investigated for possible obstruction of justice. that's after this two-minute break. and an entrepreneur named sharon. its witnessed 31 crashes, 4 food fights, and the flood of '09. it's your paradise perfected with behr premium plus low odor paint. the best you can buy starting under $25. unbelievable quality. unbeatable prices. only at the home depot. so we know how to cover almost alanything.ything, even a coupe soup. [woman] so beautiful. [man] beautiful just like you. [woman] oh, why thank you.
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now includes an examination of whether president trump attempted to obstruct justice. joining me now, former watergate prosecutor jill wine-banks and nbc legal analyst paul butler. paul, i've had you on before to talk about obstruction, and you have been fairly clear that you thought there was a plausible case for that. how do you imagine this inquiry goes now? >> well, chris, you're right. every day in this story it seems like there is breaking news. but make no mistake about what happened today. the president of the united states is the subject of a criminal investigation 145 days in his term. now, the fact that he's being investigated for obstruction isn't really that surprising. director comey testified last week that he felt ordered and directed by president trump to stop the investigation of michael flynn. when the fbi director says that, it has to be investigated.
what i think is just as revealing is the leak, that we know this investigation of the president is happening, and i think that's a response to concerns that trump was thinking about firing the special counsel mueller. now if he fires mueller, that's just more evidence of obstruction. it's like he fired comey, and now he's firing mueller. so he's in a very difficult position. he either fires mueller, tries to impede the investigation that way, or he lets the investigation proceed where he has, as you call, a legal dream team of prosecutors and investigators looking at everything he's ever done. innocent or guilty, that's a very difficult position. >> yeah. to paul's point, this is "the new york times" reporting. the president seemed to be entertaining the idea of firing mr. mueller even as his staff tried to discourage him from something they believe would turn a bad situation into a catastrophe. and, jill, of course you have some experience with this because that was the famous saturday night massacre of
archibald cox by richard nixon. i mean just legally here, it would have to be the dag that would fire him, and as congressman lance said earlier, rod rosenstein said under oath that he would do no such thing. but the president could remove him and put in place someone who would, correct? >> that's exactly what happened in watergate. the attorney general refused, and the deputy attorney general refused. and so he ended up firing them and then having the solicitor general fire archibald cox, the special prosecutor. so he could remove rosenstein and then have someone else there who would do it. but i think paul has very clearly stated all the hurdles that he would face -- that he, trump, would face if he were to do that. it would be a catastrophe. it would lead to possibly the same reaction we got to the saturday night massacre, which was the public outcry that forced the president, three days later, to reverse himself, to
appoint a new special prosecutor, and to agree to turn over the tapes he had been stone walling about. so the same thing could happen here, and the public could turn against trump if he were to take such a drastic action. >> here's what hangs over all of this. paul, this is to you, and i'll get your feedback as well, jill. you know, it's unclear -- it's sort of not settled law whether the president of the united states can be, say, indicted, right? so if you had a finding of obstruction of justice pursuant to code, it appears to be the only remedy is impeachment. what happens? we've got all these great investigators and it's a pretty open and shut case. he committed obstruction of justice. paul butler, then what? >> then it becomes a political determination by the congress of the united states. so the house would impeach him, which means charge him. and the senate would judge the case. they would decide whether to convict him or not. >> but just to be clear, they're under no obligation to do so.
robert mueller could file a report that says, here's all the evidence that the president of the united states criminally obstructed justice. you know, under the letter of the law, there's no legal requirement that the house initiate or theouse judiciary committee initiate impeachment proceengs, right? >> that's exactly right. again, the congressmen were saying earlier in your program whether those could set aside their partisan differences and just express fidelity to the rule of law is going to be key. one of the reasons that the president can't be indicted, formally charged with a crime, is because we want him to focus on governing the nation. but this president, knowing that he's in serious jeopardy of being accused at least of obstruction of justice, we really wonder how much he'll be able to concentrate on his day to day work. at minimum, i think he's going to now encourage his aides to exercise executive privilege to
try to shut them up and prevent them from talking about their private conversations to the special counsel. >> well, that's a great point. and, jill, i mean there is now exposure for everyone in that white house who works for the president. you can be an accessory to this for folks that were part of, for instance, the process that kind of pretext tullely created reasons to get rid of comey that appeared not to be the real ones. those folks who work in the white house, they do have some legal exposure, am i correct? >> yes, they do. in the watergate case all of the top aides went to jail for participating in the cover-up. so that is a real jeopardy that they are in, and i would just add one thing to what paul said, which was 100% correct. but we, during watergate, after the indictment when we couldn't indict the president because archibald cox was gone and leon jaworski believed impeachment was the only remedy, but we found that there is a rule that allowed a prosecutor to ask
permission to release grand jury testimony and other evidence to the house for impeachment. so we created a report which provided a roadmap to impeachment to the house. now, paul is right. the house does not have to take any action on that. >> right. >> they can do nothing because that is a political decision. but i think that the pressure that would be on them were there to be such a report would make it very difficult for anyone. and i hope that this congress can come together on this issue as they did after today's tragedy in arlington -- in alexandria, rather. so i'm hoping for some bipartisan cooperation here. >> we'll see what happens. that was really illuminating and clarifying. thank you both. i really appreciate it. coming up, much more on the two big stories of the day, including more about partisan unity on the hill. stay with us. >> we are united. when your pain reliever stops working, your whole day stops.
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about the shooter today. >> reporter: yes, aat deal. all except the critical, what was he doing here, and why did he suddenly become violent? we know he's 66-year-old james t. hodgkinson, known to his friends as tommy. this is a picture from an earlier run-in that he had with the law. but for the most part, the police say he wasn't much trouble. there was an incident at his home in belleville, illinois, which is a suburb of st. louis, in late march when he was out in the woods, target practicing. neighbors called the police. the sheriff came and said, you got to go somewhere else, and he said, fine, and didn't put up a fight. at some point after that, we don't know the exact day, investigators say, he came to the washington area in a white cargo van that he's apparently been living out of ever since. sometimes even sleeping on a bench in the park where today's shooting took place. he showered apparently in the ymca which is just across the
street from the ball field. people who came in contact with him here over the past several weeks say he never appeared to be violent. he never expressed violent tendencies, didn't seem to be dangerous. in fact, he talked to the former mayor, who used the same ymca, about trying to find a job. so the motive is unclear. now, it is known that he had some very strong feelings about the republican party in general. he's been expressing these for at least the past decade, first in letters to the editor of his local paper and then when social media became a common platform, he expressed his views on facebook and twitter. and he'd been quite bitter about his opposition to president trump, used obscenities to talk about his hatred for trump. just as recently as two days ago, was posting to facebook about trump. and we know that he was also last year a volunteer f the bernie sanders campaign and also in 2011, joined the occupy wall
street demonstration in st. louis. but it's a long trip to come here from belleville, illinois, to washington. and it's also a long trip metaphorically to go from someone with strong views to someone who suddenly picks up an assault rifle and opens fire after asking a witness nearby whether the people who are playing baseball today are republicans or democrats. so why he did that, why he came here, why he became violent is what the fbi is trying to figure out, chris. and tonight they say they don't know. >> pete williams, thanks for joining us. >> you bet. before today, the most recent shooting of a member of congress took place on january 8th, 2011. >> it is with a heavy heart today that i join my colleagues in paying respects to the victims of the senseless tragedy that took place last weekend in arizona. i extend my prayers to the families of those who lost their lives, to the wounded, and the recovering, and to our dear colleague gabby giffords. >> that of course was congressman steve scalise on the house floor more than six years
ago after arizona congresswoman gabby giffords was shot in the head while meeting with constituents outside a supermarket in tucson. six people died that day. congresswoman giffords survived thanks in large part to the quick thinking of 20-year-old intern daniel hernandez. joining me now is daniel hernandez, now democratic state representative for arizona. daniel, thank you for making time. i wanted -- i thought of today, and i thought of your story and wondered what your reaction -- what you made of today. >> you know, the attack today on the gop members of congress really was an assault on our democracy. for me it what reminded me what happened in the immediate aftermath of the shooting in tucson where there was l of chaos and a lot of confusion. but i think a lot of qstions as tow where do we go from here. i think one of the things that i heard representative that i think was really heartening was we need to come together. but to hear not just democrats
but republicans saying we need to work on finding solutions. he said he hopes this never happens again, and i think it's totally within the realm of possibility to prevent something like this happening again. but a hope without a plan is just a dream. for me, hearing the news today, it broke my heart wednesday against to see a member of congress, but any people being targeted and attacked about gun violence. but also it reminded me there's so much work we need to continue to do to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> if you serve the institution of congress, you're connected to your colleagues, current and former, by a shared sense of service to ideals far greater than yourself. this shooting is an attack on all who serve and participate in our democracy. i want to ask you as someone who experienced this as a public event, this horrible thing happened. then you yourself chose to go into politics.
i talked to hakeem jeffries and leonard lance how important is to be in contact with the public. what made you still want to go and be out talking to people? >> i'd always wanted to help people from the young age of about 6 when i wanted to go into health care. and having the experience with congresswoman give ordfforgiffo taught me about the importance of public policy and the way it impacts people's lives, i decided i want to get involved so i interned. after the shooting, i decided the best way for me to be able to impact people with the problems they have every single day was to run for office at the local level. now i'm serving as a state representative, but it really strg strengthened and cemented my desire to be out there talking to people. i think it's one of my responsibilities as an elected official to be out there in the public. we cannot segregate ourselves. we need to be out there talking to our constituents and hearing directly from them what their needs are. that's why i think at some
point, what representative jeffries said, we need to be talking to our constituents. we cannot be in a glass house. we need to be out there talking to folks. i think that's for me one of the reasons why i refuse to be terrorized. i've had death threats. i've had things happen to me over the last six years where people have said things that are not great. but that doesn't mean that i'm going to back away from representing the folks that i got elected by, but also talking about the issues that i care about, whether it's lgbt rights or gun violence prevention. we need folks being vocal about the things we care about if we want to actually enact change in this country. >> i appreciate you taking some time tonight. thank you very much. we've just gotten word president trump has left the white house, is heading to the hospital to visit congressman steve scalise. we'll keep you updated on that as we get more information. coming up, more on tonight's "washington post" bombshell. the president being investigated for possible obstruction of justice. working on my feet all day gave me pain here.
all right. we've just gotten word the president of the united states is en route to visit steve scalise, one of the people shot today at the alexandria baseball diamond. the president will be visiting two capitol police officers. it was the presence of those capitol police officers that stopped this from becoming a massacre of incomprehensible proportions. it was only because they were there with steve scalise, who is in leadership. they returned fire. ultimately they shot the shooter who died in custody. without them there, it could have been so much more horrific than it already was. lots to talk about on this day. we'll be right back.
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in some ways this is confirmation of what had been indicated. but just to take a step back, we're in fairly uncharted territory. there's an active special counsel investigation of the president of the united states, a criminal investigation indicated. to take a step back, we're in fairly unchartered territory, there is a criminal investigation open we now know about. >> correct. you're right. i did assume this was going on both because james comey last week laid out a case you could tell was an obstruction case and because robert mueller is a very esteemed lawyer and former fbi chief and would know an obstruction case when he sees its. this is confirmation. it does a bunch of things. it should put everybody on notice in this administration you should not abide by the president president's lawyer's advice not to get your own lawyer. you should be careful about
telling the truth to everybody, this is a trap for the unwary and time for the senate and house side and republicans to put aside some of this partisanship and stop trying to throw sand in the gears and ask real questions of the witnesses and do their job. >> josh, you had a contrarian take the other day about republican behavior on capitol hill. you said they have been more adversarial or more willing to exercise oversight of the president than you would have anticipated. >> they certainly could be doing more to hold trump accountable but a lot less. you look, we're 150 days into this administration, the amount of damaging hearings that have been held on the hill, the hearing held with comey and such. in some cases with fairly aggressive questioning, especially from richard burr and other members on the senate intelligence committee. they don't even have to have these hearings. >> that's the key to me. the chairs have had hearings that if they were maximally
falling in line wouldn't even have seen the light of day. >> i think to some extent they would have liked to be covering for the president more. the president has made it difficult for them. especially by firing james comey because he made it look so obvious she was trying to interfere with the investigation, it was hard for people like richard burr to come wake up a plausible reason they're slow walking it. their reason to carry waterer for president is not slow walking and if it became embarrassingly enough not to hold the hearing they have to hold the hearing. >> this now moves. we don't know what's going on in the special counsel, a somewhat black box but moves to counsel. we all know the president was thinking about firing him. if you have known him for a week you know that. you watched him fire james comey. ultimately, like the boundaries for all this action ultimately what will congress abide and won't. >> it's a political question. >> fundamentally.
>> how bad does it have to get for the republicans in the house, the impeachment has to start there to say we have to get rid of this guy, it's too much of a problem. will it take the 2018 weapons? being wiped out or an additional scandal? that's what we're looking at here. the evidence seems pretty clear. we already knew the trump was under investigation after comey said i already gave that stuff to mueller. the question is whether the republicans want to get ahead of this or wait until the shoes drop and get crushed by it. >> what makes this strange when you go down to the basic, jennifer, core facts are, what did the russians do, in terms of their efforts in the campaign, appear to be quite extensive, did they receive any aid or help with those persons and were they associated with the trump campaign? did they collude in any way, the entire facts are hidden. everything out there on the
obstruction question is there for us to see. any operating in this political environment is doing largely blind. >> yes. this is the adage the cover-up can be if not worse more visible than the underlying crime. i would say the republicans have lots of constructive things they could be doing if they wanted to get to the heart of this. one of this is investigating his financial ties and getting to the bottom of the emoluments problem which does intersect with the russian problem. what money does he have coming in? who did he have dealings with? did he really not have any deals with the russians? what did he know or not know about mr. flynn and his association with the russians? there could be a variety of other forums congress could get involved. i would say there was a third event today that any other day would have been remarked upon, it would have been three or four lines down the list, senator
grassley a fervent defender agreed to open hearings on the judiciary committee on the firing of james comey. that's another big development pretty much in parallel with an obstruction investigation with the special prosecutor. >> to that point the question here in terms of all the parties involved, how does the white house -- is the white house able to maintain discipline of the president to not essentially do something catastrophic. ultimately he has been his own worst enemy in the behavior he has himself -- this story is a story because the president of the united states fired james comey what appeared play and thely -- >> the problem is for robert mueller to keep his job the president has to wake up every morning and decide not to fire robert mueller. for him to lose his job he just has to wake up once and decide this is the day to fire robert mueller. maggie from the new york times,
why aren't people telling the president no? they're telling him all the time and he's not listening to them. they become more alarmed. just because the staff tries to protect him from himself doesn't mean he will listen consistently. >> you will see a bunch of people updating their linkedin profiles. if you're in the white house, the little things i've done for the president i could get wrapped up in this drag net and don't want to get involved in this anymore. >> someone once told me almost every administration sees someone go to jail, even if you're careful and this white house has not been careful. i want to talk about this morning and the resonance of that. you watch this develop in this extremely polarizing atmosphere, it's exhausting and blaming and who's the villain and connection of normal politics, bernie sanders, volunteered for bernie sanders to ghastly attempted
murder. it seems to me actually -- jennifer, i want to know what you think about this. i think it's important, my view of this, it's important to draw the line between speech, even if it's rabid and people scream at the members of congress whether they're in the tea party and resistance and violence. it's important to maintain and not do too much connecting between those two. >> two ideas intentioned. on one hand we have a president who has plowed down democratic norm after democratic norm. he incited violence at his rallies. he has been someone who has not respected the peaceful operation of democracy. you do want to put a stop to that and condemn that. on the other hand, this is important. people who do this are not simply acting as a political actor, there's something terribly disturbed, terribly wrong and terribly evil about th. you have to separate those
people from even irresponsible speech by the president and irresponsible speech in congress. we want a robust democracy even one we don't like very much how people are conducting themselves and on the other hand, make sure we have a correct appropriate response when these horrible events happen that is sober. >> and for folks liberals, opponents of the president whatever, force themselves through the exercise if the shoe were on the other foot in this circumstance, that has nothing to do with me because obviously i find this horrendous. i would never do something like that, would you extend that basic framework to someone else? that's an exercise for everyone to go through emotionally and cognitively. >> another thing that is in play here, this is a guy who abused women and has a violent background in general. the lesson i hope we all learn from this on the right and left and praying for steve scalise to
be okay, oftentimes politics will make compromises rhetorically for votes or policy and not recognize how it could exacerbate their own issues. steve has his own issues in the past and he didn't do that because he's a politician, does it for votes and politics can activate people. >> i think so. i think that's dangerous in some ways. this way of activating, you start to hem in -- it's a free country. what you should not do is violence to jennifer's point. that has happened. it's important to hold that line between excitement and speech and action. >> the things i'm afraid of and what members of congress are afraid of why they were very nice to each other, the increased agitation of the public not just one side is
politically, from that statement, this white house thinks and we'll see whether they're right or not, they can weather the political storm from a government shutdown by saying we're not negotiating until schumer backs down. they think inside the white house from my conversations with senior officials there, that chuck schumer overplayed his hand on daca and they are going to push back here and say we gave you six years of an extension, a long time for children's health insurance, a program, chip as it's known that, democrats said they had to have. the president gave on that. said he's willing to work on daca. the bottom line is, this white house is taking a very hard line in these negotiations. >> shannon: sounds like it from that statement. all right, ed henry live on the beat for us, thank you. the president foreshadowing a shutdown a short while ago, tweeting, quote, it's not looking good. white house correspondent kevin cork joins us with where the white house goes next. >> you're right. it was interesting to watch the
the delay, some of the taxes, more specifically the medical device tax, the cadillac tax. they don't oppose anything in the bill. but they are opposing the bill. >> they're posing the bill. i literally, moments ago before coming out here, just wanted to see what's happening upstairs. i've been on the phone like most of my colleagues throughout the night checking in with our sources trying to figure out where we go from here. the president won't make his way down to march a la go, he hopes to get this pushed over the finish line. the president, his chief of staff john kelly continued to make phone calls in the hopes that they can craft a deal to keep the government funded eventually. right now as you point out, it is shutdown time. >> shannon: thank you, update us as you hear more, kevin. the blame game gints in earnest. fox news political anchor bret
baier is back with us. it's officially happened. that rest of the conversation is going to start. >> bret: i feel like lindsey graham, shuttling between studios. but if you look at the floor, put that up, it's interesting to watch, these groups meeting, lindsay graham still holding court with democrats. now you have a group of republicans, pat too maniy there, you see -- toomey, barasso. on the other side, the democrats meeting, laying out i think the details have what they're trying to do. mitch mcconnell looks like he's getting ready to give a speech, maybe they're coming to the end of this. this bill has been open for some time. talk about the blame game. just to give you a flavor of where this may have gone wrong for democrats, the associated press, the story that is on the line now, says senate democrats derail bill to avert shutdown. that's the headline of the a.p. story, senate democrats derail bill to avert shutdown.
that gives you a sense that the blame game, how ever it is portrayed, is going to be a little tougher for democrats. they had that bill in front of them to not do what we are now. >> shannon: if this administration is trying to be careful, they control house senate and white house to make this as painless as they can for the public, that's going to factor in as well. people aren't going to be showing up and being denied services in important places. social security checks go out, all of those important things continue to happen. they aren't fog to put the public face on it like we saw in 2013 when it was a more adversarial government. >> bret: they will go go out of their way. and while they have the majority in the senate, they'll say they don't control it. they don't have the 60 votes. you may hear the president weigh in on that. earlier tonight, sarah sanders tweeted democrats can't shut down the booming trump economy. are they now so desperate they'll shut down the government instead.
>> bret: with a number of democrats also. >> shannon: that's not a pair you see often the together on any substantive policy thing. they're trying to get something done or they would have called it a night and left. this vote is technically still open. we see the wandering between the two groups. clearly there are bipartisan conversations going on, on the floor of the senate right now, as they know, officially entered shut down territory, 11 mince ago. it looks like the negotiation continues. bsh you can see elizabeth warren saying something in an animated way. which you can schumer sitting down and the senators gathered around him. on the other side, you have lindsay graham talking to senator cornyn and others, senator grass lee, lamar alexander trying to peek in. going from group to group to try to get some, iron out some
details that perhaps allow some negotiation to go forward. if the bill is changed substantially, it has to go back to the howls. it could be -- to the house. could be approved by a voice vote but there's a potential problem if it's changed significantly over there. i think that they're trying to get to a continuing resolution with a possible promise that they're going on move on to immigration in this short period of time. >> shannon: interesting, on the house side they were trying to get their measure passed and they say, quote, we've done the work, it's up to the senate now. that was one of the things that many in the freedom caucus said they would push for. they wanted a guarantee for their votes, that there would be a legislative vehicle, maybe the goodlatte bill, they wanted that, they wanted to it get to a vote. there was a trade-off there. so that happened enter-party. may have to happen across the aisle as well. we see a lot of folks, now, they look congenial still at this
point, still smiles on faces, people look a little bit weary. maybe that's one of the tradeoffs, we vote on this tonight but we get to a daca measure within a certain number of days. we have a debate over how long this will be. even if they agree to something, one of the proposals five days, the other in a two week range, we will be doing this again. bret, we will be sitting here again doing this not too long from now. seems like the american public is getting distaste for this and governing from crisis to crisis. >> bret: you're looking on the left side of the screen, senator cotton with folded arms, and senator cornyn talking, two of the conservatives on immigration that would be pushing back against something that gave up a lot of the headway. senator kennedy from louisiana, my favorite sound bite. >> shannon: he is a quotable guy, every week. >> bret: this sums it up. i'd like to go back to america but i'm stuck in washington. and i think that's the feeling for a lot of people at home, this place isn't working. no matter what party you
support, it's not working. now they're gathered around mitch mcconnell, which you can schumer next to mitch mcconnell, we could be getting to a point where both sides are ironing out details. this is how the sausage is made, they're writing legislation on the senate floor to come up with the specifics on this continuing resolution. we are 14 minutes and 12 seconds into one year since the inauguration. this kay, on january 20 on this day. we are in a place where technically there is a partial shutdown of the u.s. government. >> shannon: it is, again, phases in slowly, there is discretion in a lot of agencies. some don't have any at all. as you speak of senator kennedy, republican from louisiana, also said this, he said our country was founded by geniuses but it's being run by idiots. >> bret: yeah. >> shannon: he's very quotable, you hear the frustration in his
voice. he's not a long-time washington guy. he's here and sees it's not, both sides of the aisle would admit, it's not functioning according to order. >> bret: this is my last senator kennedy, be yourself, unless you suck. i think they're going to get to something here. it seems like they're breaking up. we may be getting to a conclusion. when they get to the lecterns there, and once you start hearing the audio from the senate floor, you know that they're moving forward. remember, this vote failed. they did not get the 60 votes on the original house bill, that was a continuing resolution for four months. included six years of renewal for the children's health insurance policy. we may be getting close to an alternative at this moment. >> shannon: all right, bret, stick around, we'll see what
they come up with. looks like ak tiflt may be moving forward to a statement on the senate floor. analysis continues, now, on fox news channel and cable and satellite. more your local news on this fox station. i'm shannon bream in washington. >> shannon: we're back with coverage. the senate gives a thumbs down to the house spending bill or getting to a vote on the content. house republican congress doug collins responds, he's going to join us live in the coverage of the shutdown showdown, it is official, from washington. we'll take you back to the senate. my name is jeff sheldon, and i'm the founder of ugmonk. before shipstation it was crazy. it's great when you see a hundred orders come in, a hundred orders come in, but then you realize i've got a hundred orders i have to ship out. shipstation streamlined that wh the order data, the weights of , everything is seamlessly put into shipstation, so when we print the shipping ll everything's pretty much done. it's so much easier so now, we're ready, bring on t.
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perhaps across the is a some of our democratic colleagues feel proud of themselves. but what has their filibuster accomplished? what has it accomplished? answer is simple, their very own government shutdown. shutdown effects on the american people will come as no surprise. all week as we've stood on the floor and begged our colleagues to come to their senses, senate republicans have described exactly, exactly what this will mean for america's men and women in uniform, shutting down the government means delayed pay. the many thousands of civilian employees who support their misses its means furloughs. and for the families of fallen heros it may well mean a freeze on century vooifor death benefits -- survivor death
benefits. veterans who rely on our care, it means threatening their access to treatment. for so many americans struggling with opiod addiction, the same is true. thanks to the democratic leader decision to filibuster an extension of the state children's health insurance program, low income families will slip closer to losing health coverage for their kids. and many states this is an emergency. i'm having trouble understanding which one of these outcomes my democratic colleagues could possibly be proud of. which one of them? i think our friends on the other side took some bad advice. really bad advice. i would hate to be trying to explain this myself. ignore the governors, including seven democrats who wrote
congress begging us, begging us to extend chip for 9 million children. ignore the needs of millions of americans would rely on the federal government for important services. held all of us hostage, all of it hostage over the completely unrelated issue of illegal immigration. republicans in the senate have gone all we can to continue the normal operations of the federal government. and secure certainty for the s-chip kids. we can pass it tonight and go to the president for signature. these kids would be okay. well we're going to continue to do all we can, we'll vote again so the american people know who
stands for them. and when our friends across the aisle remember who it is they actually represent we'll be ready to come together in a bipartisan discussion that will be necessary to clean up all of this mess. we've all been having private conversations on the floor, almost everybody on both sides doesn't understand how we ended up here. because most of the stuff we agree on. only one reason we ended up here, the shoe horning of illegal immigration into this debate. now, having said that, there is a lot of sympathy in this body for doing something about the daca kids. it's not like nobody is interested in that. we've been talking about it for three months. but the one reason we are where
we are is because we couldn't close out any of these other component parts because our friends on the other side said you got to deal with this issue. this issue is the key to getting defense spending. this issue is the key to getting help for s-chip kids. on and on and on. i think most of american people believe that shutting down the government over this issue which doesn't even ripen until march, is irresponsible. and i've just listed all of the people who are going to be adversely impacted by this action. so we're going to keep on voting and the government may be heading into shutdown but the senate isn't shutting down. and we're open to talk. and to resolve this.
i don't think it makes the institution look very responsible. american people should expect better from us than this. >> shannon: you have been listening to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. we thought, as bret and i were talking about the groups that were having conversations and negotiating looked like maybe they were coming to something. we thought when he came to the lectern there, that maybe -- oh, let's listen in, we have minority leader chuck schumer speaking. >> continuing resolution that he knew lacked the votes long before this hour. it's not just democrats who oppose this c.r., several republicans did as well. all of today, mr. president, we have endeavored to reach an agreement with president trump and the republicans that would
have not only spared a government shutdown, but cemented an agreement on spending caps, including those for our military, the healthcare issues, disaster relief, and immigration issues. president trump reached out to me today, this morning, to invite me to the white house to talk all of these issues over. and i accepted. we had a lengthy and substantive discussion. during the meeting, an exchange for strong daca protections, i reluctantly put the border wall on the table for discussion. even that was not enough to entice the president to finish the deal. many democrats don't want to go that far on the border. many republicans don't they are. but we were willing to compromise with the president to get an agreement. in the room it sounded like the
president was open to accept it. this afternoon, in my heart, i thought we might have a deal tonight. that was how far we'd come. that's how positive our discussion felt. we had a good meeting. but what has transpired since that meeting in the oval office is indicative of the entire tumultuous and chaotic process republicans every engaged in in the negotiations thus far. even though president trump seemed to like an outline of a deal in the room, he did not press his party in congress to accept it. speaker ryan and leader mcconnell without the commitment of the president would not agree to accept anything either. what happened to the president trump who asked us to come up with a deal and promised that
he'd take heat for it? what happened to that president? he backed off at the first sign of pressure. we have the outline of a deal on caps. we have the outline of a deal on healthcare. we have the outline of a deal on immigration, the toughest issue. it was real, it was an honest to goodness breakthrough. we could have passed a short term extension of funding so that we could cross the ts, dot the is and be done with it all. but the dynamic of the past few weeks during which the congressional republicans looked to the president for guidance and the president provided none prevailed again today unfortunately. the same chaos, the same disarray, the same division and discord on the republican side that's been in the background of
these negotiations for months, unfortunately, appears endemic. it is standing in the way of bipartisan solutions to all of the issues now before us. every american knows the republican party controls the white house, the senate, the house. it's their job to keep the government open. it's their job to work with us on a way to move things forward. but they didn't reach out to us once on this c.r., no discussion, no debate, nothing at all. it was produced without an ounce of democratic input and dropped on our laps. meanwhile they can't even get on the same page as a party. they control every branch of the legislative process and it's responsibility to govern and here they have failed.
several republicans voted against the c.r. as well as democrats for the same reason we voted against it. one of the most serious consequences of having continuing resolution after continuing resolution is the damage it does to our military. as a pentagon spokesman said last night another c.r. would be wasteful and destructive to our military. the navy secretary said that because of c.r.s the navy has put $4 billion in the trash can, poured lighter fluid on it, and burnt it. that's the navy secretary, what you have done. this is no way to conduct the nation's business. republicans know it, democrats know it, the american people know that this party is not capable of governing. so where do we go from here?
i believe many of my republican colleagues sincerely want to get a deal. i know their hearts are in the right place. i know they lament the fact that we accept brinksmanship whereby partisanship used to be. there was always discussion in these issues in the past. everyone knew you needed both parties to work together, none of that happened here today. now, all of this problem is because republican leadership can't get to yes because president trump refuses to. mr. president, president trump, if you are listening i am urging you please take yes for an answer. the way things went today, the way you frurnd a bipartisan
deal, it's almost as if you were rooting for a shutdown. and now we'll have one. and the blame should crash
we're headed in. i plead with them to see reason and prevail upon their leaders and most of all the president to give us the space to work together, to let us do the job the american people sent us here to do. when president trump decides he's finally ready to lead his party to a deal, democrats will be ready, willing, and eager to clinch it. there is a path forward. we can reach it quickly. tomorrow, the president and the four leaders should immediately sit down and finish this deal so the entire government can get back to work on monday. yield the floor. >> shannon: you have been listening in to two important speeches on the floor by the house majority leader mitch mcconnell and minority leader chuck schumer after what we thought, bret, we were watching, this all of the discussions
going on, maybe they were working to a deal. sounds like they did not get there because they both blasted each other once they got to the lectern. the president took a lot of the heat. mitch mcconnell has said they're going to vote again. whether he literally means tonight, he could relaunch that vote, procedurally he preserves the right to do that. let's listen in, maybe he will explain. >> so there were five courageous democrats on the other side who stood up to this ridiculous argument that made sense, somehow to shut down the government over an imlegal immigration issue -- illegal immigration issue that the vast majority of this body would like to do something about anyway. i want to particularly commend the five democrats who had the courage to stand up to this ridiculous strategy. they put their whole party in
incredible predicament. the white house just indicated, the president isn't going to talk about the issue at all while the government is shut down. made it quite clear. he said when democrats start paying our armed forces and first responders we'll reopen negotiations on immigration reform. so this particular strategy has eliminated the possibility of getting a signature on the thing they shut the government down over. anybody explain to me this strategy? i'm perplexed. i wasn't first first in my class but i wasn't last, either. how does this get them, what they're looking for? well, we'll continue to talk because when all the games stop, the issues are still there.
every single one of them, are still there. the american people expect us to act like adults to get together and solve the problems. now, i'll be offering an amendment to change the date to february 8. we will unfortunately not be able to get that vote tonight but i will be subsequently asking for consent. at this point we will be voting on february 8. that's the date that the senator from south carolina, senior senator from south carolina and i have been talking about. the democratic leader and i have been talking about. which begins to move a little bit closer to where our friends on the other side said they wanted to be. but a reasonable period of time
it takes into account the state of the union, party conferences, and just the amount of time it takes to actually write a bill once you have an agreement. i mean, you can't just reach an agreement and snap, like, your fingers and everybody falls into place and you're ready to go. so a reasonable period to first agree and then write and get ready to pass, negotiated settlement that we've been working on for months, february 8 is a very reasonable time. and so i'm going to give, i hear the sentiment for that on both sides of the aisle, i hope so at some point, we'll vote that option. i can't get that vote tonight but i'll ask consent to have that vote tonight.
i move, mr. president, to table the motion to refer. >> for the yeas and nays. >> sufficient second? there is. >> shannon: so developments on the senate floor as we see, the two sides still very far apart. not voting on something tonight that will resolve this. at 12:37a.m. eastern, we are in the midst of a government shutdown. as it begins, very slowly and phasing, with some agencies you won't notice it at all especially if they get it wrapped up shortly. the measure was going to fund through february 16. they have changed that date or they will try to amend this and make it february 8. that addresses some of the concerns of some of the folks who did not want it to go that long, gets them parent the staft union and parent the party conferences. bret baier, they could get this resolved over the weekend, they have to get to the 60 votes. >> bret: i think that's what the shuttling back and forth and the conversations that we saw on the
floor was getting the date back to february 8, three weeks. and i bet that you get those republicans who voted against it to come back onboard. you get the five democrats. and they're going to keep voting on this until they get a deal. the five democrats are up for re-election in red states won by president trump. mitch mcconnell will have them vote 100 times if they can to point out how different they are from the democratic party steered by which you can schumer. couple of points. we are told the white house meeting was president, chief of staff john kelly, senator schumer and his chief of staff in the little room off the oval office, the study. "new york times" says they had cheese burgers. we heard from senator schumer's speech he put the border wall, the funding that the president wanted which according to kelly was $20 billion, on the table as a possible deal if the daca
could go through. according to schumer, we haven't heard from the white house, a lot of maybe this is going to work. the other pillars of what the president wanted didn't sound like they got to there. by the time schumer got back to capitol hill that bigger deal had fallen apart and the continuing resolution came to an end. this, last thing, about who's taking the blame i pointed out the a.p. said senate democrats derail bill to avert shutdown. the "new york times" headline says, senate democrats block passage of a stopgap spending bill to keep the government open. those are two headlines of what went down tonight. that don't really line up with schumer's portrayal. ssh interesting, and -- >> shannon: interesting, and mitch mcconnell made clear to the parties, probably going to make them continue to vote until they get to a resolution. ploib not right now but maybe over the weekend, they are not moving one inch forward on the
immigration issue until they get the funding going again. he krielted the statement that we have from the white house -- he cited the statement from sarah sanders, press secretary's office, when democrats start paying our armed forces and first responders we'll open renegotiation on immigration. that date moved but seems like maybe that's the only concession that we get moving forward. >> bret: interesting to hear senator schumer say he charges president trump is causing chaos. in 2013 that was the word that he said would be caused if you went with the republican shutdown, based on policies that were outside the budget purview. daca and immigration doesn't fit with funding the government. it's not in the budget. easy thing to put on the bumper sticker for republicans. daca well get done, this president is committed to it, this administration is. the question is, where the bigger negotiation goes on border security, chain
migration, and merit-based immigration where does that go? >> shannon: big questions. let's talk to folks who may be voting on this, congressman doug collins, vice chair of the republican congress. and congressman christian morrissey, democrat from imknow. thanks for joining us. congressman i'll start with you, what do you make of where we are right now, we've talked to many republican colleagues who say you're closer than people think looking from the outside in, from the public, where do you think are you? >> thank you for having me, shannon. i agree, i think that we are close. i think it's time to govern, enough of the recriminations, nufl of the blame game, let's come to an agreement. i think there was a deal on the table last week between senator graham and senator durbin that has been negotiated among the senators generally. unfortunately that got derailed
at a white house meeting. i think now it's time to step back from the brink, go back to the table, negotiate something that all of us can agree on. >> shannon: in the meantime, congressman kol lints, you were a member of the military, a lot of concern about what happens to military folks as this plays out. they're gone of the main groups along with federal employees who are subject to some real repercussion when is this kicks in, 42 minutes in now. i want to play something from defense secretary general mattis said about how this plays out for the military. >> that is going to impact our contracting, it'll impact obviously our medical facilities, it's got a huge morale impact, i'll tell you, how long can you keep good people around when something like this happens. it's always a question that's got to hover in the back of my mind. i would just tell you, that we do a lot of intelligence operations around the world.
and they cost money. those obviously would stop, and i would just tell you that training, for almost our entire reserve force, will stop. >> shannon: those are real world impacts, congressman collins. how warriorried are you, even if we get a short c.r., people saying that's not good for the military. >> that is what is bothering us, the conversation i'm having is really concerning, even my friend from illinois, democratic friends saying we want to deal with daca, then the spending e will's get back to dealing with the american issues that we have of spending on our military, spending on our readiness, spending on regular functiontion of the government and commit to finding a fix for daca. that is a separate issue, it is not prime right now, we are trying to get it fixed, the president is committed to it. when you deal with real world families, the issues of our government and staying open and
doing the things we're supposed to be doing, look, let's deal with those things we are supposed to be doing. as a reservist i've been getting texts from folks i serve with and others saying where are we headed, am guy towing get my training. the c.r. doesn't do it. that's a big concern and some in the senate. we need get to the two-year cycle to have the long-term spending man plan our military needs. i'm not sure how we friends across the is a kl say the united states is being honest with the real world problems of north korea, syria, and the world when they're not willing to come to a spending agreement. that's boggling. >> shannon: let's turn to daca, which is really at the crux of what we're dealing with. congressman, where are you on the contours of what we're seeing that is the primary gop offering from the house judiciary chairman bob goodlatte, cuts down -- eliminates chain migration and the visa lottery eventually,
provides some pathway to legal status and protection for daca for the dreamers. but really tough on a number of levels. is that something that there are portiontion of it, some of it, all of it you sko get onboard with? >> i can't support that particular measure. i'm a sponsor of the dream act, which i believe is a much better approach to treating the folks on daca. i agree with my good friend gentleman, mr. collins, who says that we need a multi-year budget to help the military. but also education and healthcare. we need to reauthorize community health centers and provide a fix for the dreamers. some folks have claimd claimed this is not an emergency situation for the dreamers. they're about to be subject to deportation in march, less than 60 days. that's an emergency. and we are funding i.c.e., customs and border patrol, homeland security, precisely
those functions that touch upon immigration and these issues. but that being said, limit's come back to the table. let's be our best self, and let's come with open minds and open hearts and let's be bipartisan about this. this is what i believe we have to do. we have a duty to do at this point. >> shannon: congressman collins, nice to hear the two of are you friendly and respectful to each other, you want to find common ground here. congressman collins where are you on the goodlatte bill and what you hear from your colleague tonight? >> many of the parts of the goodlatte bill we have voted on, this is not a new bill, these were put together from different things we were going through and in the process of discussing immigration. the only exception with my friend is this, the emergency he spoke of the emergency and the urgency with daca, why are we not speaking about the same urgency and concern about a military that can't get funding. take it out of the c.r., take it out of the continuing resolution
when it was offered on the table for us to basically suspend the sequestration and take away the cuts that would be coming to military. what happened kwhis they went to the table instead of racing the discretionary spending and keeping it and removing the cuts from sequestration on defense, our friends across the aisle wanted to raise the domestic spending up to the levels of defense spending. these are issues not talked about, because when i look at, this i look at the real world issues of our defense, i look at the training incidents, i look at the lack of manpower, i look at the same thing that general mattis talked about, that psyche of what are we doing and are we being appreciated. there's a bigger emergency in the side of the spending and looking at how we make a long term solution and work together. this is something that we can work together on. but there has been commitment to say we'll find a solution for the daca folks. we are wanting to make sure they are taken care of but we have to
put priorities in line. one of the biggest priorities is what is not happening not funding the government and not funding the troops. >> can i agree with mr. collins on something. mr. collins brings excellent points with regard to the military. but he also probably realizes that there's some emergencies on some nonmilitary matters as well. you know, one-third of the nondefense discretionary budget is spent on security measures. everything from counter intelligence issues, to homeland security and so forth. we have to take care of our veterans as well. we have to take care of these nondefense matters. just at the same time we're taking care of these military matters. we have to do it in a way that's consistent with the values of the american people. they're demanding a solution. we have to come to the table right now. it's 12:40 eastern time, we should go to the table right now. i don't think we should delay. we have to get to the work of the american people. i should note that one thing
that we're doing in our office we will be open every day of this shutdown. i suspect many of my colleagues will also have their offices open. i'm donating my paycheck to local charities. on a bipartisan note we're co-sponsoring a note, i'm shurmur collins is on this bill, to take care of military families who may be affected by the shutdown right now. let's take that to the table, get the deal done asap. maybe as soon as tonight or tomorrow, and let's get on with it. >> shannon: the attitudes of both of you give hope to americans at home who want to see resolution from the right or the left side of the aisle. thank you both for your time and being with us late tonight on this important night. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> shannon: kevin cork joins us now, it is in the morning, we're officially on saturday. kevin, 49 minutes into the shutdown.
>> 39 minutes in, and get this, you know, on occasion you get something that you don't expect. in particular, head of state or in this case the vice president, the second in command, is on the road. you aren't sure if um hear when they're flying aboard air force two. part of a statement that we have received from the vice president en route to cairo, a shopover in ireland before continuing on. i want to share what he said about tonight's shutdown. this is one of those circumstances where a man who has experience in the senate, probably is comping at the wit, certain -- champing at the bit wishing he could push it over the finish line. what he believes is a lack of action by the democrats. he said their action or lack thereof is unconscionable. our administration will do everything within our power to support the brave men and women in uniform who stand on the front lines of freedom. he goes on to add, this our administration will do
everything within our power for the brave men and women in uniform who stand on the front lines of freedom, but as of tonight due to a completely avoidable government shutdown, they'll stand their post without pay. i want to share that. when you end up with a statement like this, you're talking about a number of people, all over the globe, not just here in washington and not just here in the united states, but are watching this, watching this from an interesting perspective. they would like to know is the leader of the free world in command of what's happening in his country. they may not understand the nuance of the power of congress. others from around the globe wonder how the united states can't get its act together. when you hear the vice president say this isn't just some political thing, we're talking about impacting men and women in uniform all over the globe standing in the gap for all of us, you would think members of congress could get their act together and get something done. tomorrow, we will be watching very carefully here from our
perch at the white house to see if something happens. but in the meantime we will be watching and waiting to see if the president takes to twitter. i'm waiting, aren't you waiting? >> shannon: i am refreshing his twitter page making sure we don't miss anything. kevin cork live late into the night, early in the morning, thank you so much. we want to take you back live to the senate floor, because it looks like conversations are continuing there. the two sides, two leaders have come achbld had very tough talk for each other yet conversations continue. senators talking about what they're going to do next. our understanding they're going to get to a voting measure eventually that moves this short term funding measure back from february 16 what the house passed to february 8 is the goal in the senate. let's talk about it, now. joining us senior columnist for town hall curtis schickter and cabrilla farrow. we will be serving breakfast shortly. stick around.
in the meantime, sounds like they could use it on the hill. capri, the senate majority leader said we had a great meeting. now he says all hell is going to break loose. >> i think that frankly, we have separation of powers for a reason. yes, the president of the united states does play a role in the negotiating process. but at the end of the day members of the united states senate and for that matter the house have to make decisions, they're big boys and girls, and they have a job to do. yes, they have to recognize what is the president going to sign or not sign. that has to be in the calculus. but at this point, hopefully they will be able to come to some kind of remedy within the next 24 to 48 hours as the senate rules allow them to do since they have not closed the vote. they can go back and cast a vote. america is watching. >> shannon: kurt i feel like i don't need to ask you a
question, you look like you're chomping at the bit. what are you dying to say? >> i'm loving this, shannon. we have a. who is -- i am, he's keeping his promises. he's not rolling over and doing the exact opposite of what he was elected to do. this is a president who says i'm not going to come in here and give no springs attached amnesty to everyone who wants to come to the country. that's what chuck schumer wants. he is unhappy with the american electorate, he wants to impoort new one. donald trump and the republicans dash. >> shannon: that's short sighted. >> i think it's great. if the democrats want to go out and say, hey, we're going to deprive america's military bhaf it needs to fight, what it needs on feed its family, i was in the military when we had shutdowns in the past, in exchange for giving illegal aliens a free pass to american citizenship.
that's a fight i want to have. and we're already searing the "new york times" and the a.p. put the blame where it belongs on the democrats. >> shannon: the democrats shouldn't be con flating the issues. >> the issues of daca and the individuals that have come here, no fault of their own, is a matter of human dignity. at the same time, that is pending until march. we have a job to do to keep the doors open. this isn't about trying to import a new electorate for the democrats. >> that's exactly what it is. >> i don't that i that's the case. >> what about the dignity of american voters. >> absolutely, i agree with that, that's idea two issues shouldn't be together. we need to give the daca issue and immigration issue its own track. >> shannon: five seconds to kurt. >> i agree, the democrats shouldn't have put them together, a tactical and strategic error, i'm glad they made. >> shannon: thank you for joining us tonight. we are out of time as we cover this shutdown, 55 minutes in.
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country. william mckinley from ohio was a great president. he understood the crucial importance of tariffs in maintaining a very strong country. people that followed him went down at great presidents because one in particular as you know, because he was given an economic behemoth created by mckinley. mckinley said we ought to take care of our own nation and her industries first. we want to help other people. but we don't want to help other people that are rich and not have them reimburse us. they are taking care of their military, we are taking care of their manufacturing. we are taking care of everything. a lot of these deals were made many years ago when they were weak and struggling. and they never changed them. but we are changing them now. changing them now.
and troy balderson is going to be helping so much. thanks to our pro american economic policies. american steel -- one of the things i'm most of proud of -- american steel is making one of the biggest comebacks anybody has ever seen for any industry. nucor, a great steel company. the steel mills were closing up. nucor announced an $85 million upgrade in marion. charter steel announced a $150 million steel plant in cuyahoga heights. jsw steel is restarting the furnace and investing $500
million. cleveland cliffs announced a $700 million plant in toledo. united states steel is building or renovating or improving over seven new plants. they never thought they would see a day when this happens. this all happened within a very short period of time. because we stopped the dumping. if they want to dump, that's fine. but they have to pay a 25% tax. amazing the impact that has on people who want to rip-off our industries. we also have taken historic action to protect our amazing farmers. i reached an historic agreement with the european union. we talked about them before to reduce barriers to american-grown products and
democratic leader and the leader of the russian investigation, dianne feinstein, had a chinese spy at her driver for 20 years. and she is leading the russian investigation if that's what you call it. how about leading -- she is leading the russian witch hunt. a democrat-inspired witch hunt. isn't that something? dianne feinstein -- how come china never spies on us? there are those who say they are brutal. you should ask the people. not only china. it's a lot of people. we have to stop it. we have to stop meddling and stop everybody from attacking us. but there are a lot. rush i -- russia is there, china is there.
increased defense spending to $700 billion this year and $716 billion next year. we are doing things that we have never done before. and we approved $6 billion for opioid. it's down 20%. $6 billion we got approved. thanks to our $2 billion investment in armored vehicles. workers at the legendary take plant in lima, ohio are now back on the job churning out m1 abrams tanks. churning them out. the great thing about what we are doing with $700 billion and $716. it's far more important in this case.
but we are also providing massive numbers of jobs because we build all of that equipment in the united states. that's the one case where the jobs just aren't as important. but we are doing it all here i'm proud to report we have given our service members the largest pay raise in over a decade. i have also directed the pentagon to create the 6th branch of the united states armed forces called the space force. [cheers and applause] that's going to be great. so much is happening in space. i am not just talking about mars and the moon. i'm talking about tremendous offense capability. it's in space.
we are going to do the space force. we passed the landmark va accountability act. now if a bad government workers abuses a great veteran, we turn to them and say, you're fired, get the hell out of here! you are fired! we also passed veterans choice. so if our veterans can't get care from the va in a timely manner, they have the right to go and see immediately a private doctor and get taken care of. they have been working on that one for 45 years. we got it passed. i'm good at getting things passed. we are going to get the wall passed, don't worry about that. the obstructionist democrats. the democrats are
obstructionists. the only thing they do well. they are lousy politicians, they have stupid policies, let's get rid of law enforcement, let's get rid of the military. let's not build a wall. they are haters. they do anything they can to obstruct or resist. their word is resist, resist. i used to see that word, i said why are they doing senate but they want to resist. i withdrew the united states from the horrible iran nuclear deal. and so many things have happened. i also recognize the capital of israel and five months later we opened the american embassy in jerusalem. instead of apologizing for america, we are standing up for america, we are standing up for the heroes who protect our
country. and we are proudly standing up for our national anthem. thank you. [cheers and applause] [crowd chants usa!] but to continue our incredible success, we must elect more republicans and we must elect troy balderson. we have to elect troy. so get your friend, get your neighbors, get your family and get out and vote for troy on tuesday. loyal citizens, great people like you help build this country. and together we are taking back this country. we are returning power to where
it belongs, to the american people. from columbus to the queen city cincinnati where i worked, the queen city. from dublin to cleveland and from toledo to mansfield, ohio has always been the home of red-blooded american patriots, strong people, real workers. people i love. this state is the home of the proud. and we are, we are the home of the proud. we are the home of families and farmers and miners and manufacturers and airators and astronauts. ohio is the home of everything good.
ohio is where the wright brothers invented the airplane and where annie oakley got her gun. and ohio is the state that gives us american legend and american heroes like thomas edison, neil armstrong, and john glenn. we stand on the shoulders of generations of american patriots who knew how to work, knew how to fight, and knew how to win. you know how to win. just like them we are going to keep on work. we are going to keep on fighting, and we are going to keep object winning, we are going to win so much you are going to get so tired of winning. you see what happening. we'll keep it going for a long time. we'll never give up, we'll never give in.
and we'll never back down. we'll never ever stop fighting for our families, our freedom, tore our great american -- or our great american flag. right? because we are americans. and our hearts bleed red, white and blue. we are one people, one family, and one glorious nation under god. and together as a nation we'll make america wealthy again. we'll make america strong again. we'll make america safe again. and we'll make america great again. thank you, ohio. thank you. [♪]
engineers and contractors. this room was not designed quite for this crowd. and you people are hot. so if anybody wants to leave. leave. there is a lot of people out there who want to get in, but don't leave. it is rather hot. you walk out and lose about 10 pound. you say that was very good. that beats going to a gym, right? it's hot. so much for my brand-new beautiful suit. jesse: here to react, former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski and gina loudon the head of trump's advisory board. one of my favorite moments is when he pits the people against the powerful.
in big trouble. the great lou dobbs. right? but you see, oh, maria -- maria bartiromo. i'm in trouble. i know i left out probably 10. but i didn't think i would be doing this. but they are blowing them away. cnn is down at the bottom of the totem poll. msnbc isn't even close to being next these shows. they are more elite than me? i'm more of everything they have, including this. and i became president and they didn't. [cheers and applause] and it's driving them crazy. jesse: judge jeanine is very
upset because she was not mentioned by the president. i think i heard her throw a glass in the green room. besides that we wanted to get that in there. about the he athletes versus the regular folks. -- about the elites versus the regular folks that's so effective and they loved it. >> this president joined with the american people in ways no other president has. he said during this campaign, i want all americans to be as rich as me. that gave americans a vision of going back to work, reclaiming our economy both nationally and internationally. and those are the things he delivered on. so he has every right to say that to that crowd. jesse: he's saying these people in ohio, they are smart people, they own a business, they own land, they have families, they have savings, they have high salaries. they are doing great.
then you have some little weasel making a tiny amount of money in manhattan and washington, d.c. he's got nothing going on and no action web's calling those people in the heartland deplorables, he's calling them toothless, and that's why people don't like the people in the media. >> it's not just the people in the media. it's the bi-coastal nature of going to an -- going to stanforr hash regard and look down -- or harvard and looking down on people who didn't go to ivy league schools. he's with the hard working men and women every single day in ohio who are seeing the benefit of the economy. he talked about the steel
workers going back to work. they are better off than the professional elitists. jesse: under obama where the country lost 300,000 to 400,000 manufacturing jobs. and this president has added over 300,000 manufacturing jobs. dianne feinstein, the senator from california, i think she is one of the ranking members on the senate intelligence committee and leading the charge against collusion and all that kind of stuff. it was discovered there was a chinese spy, a mole, who was her driver, for 20 years, driving the senator around. good knows what he was hearing in the front seat when she was chatting on the cell phone. and she is upset with trump for being a national security risk?
president trump: it just came out democratic leader and the leader of the russian investigation, dianne feinstein, had a chinese spy as her driver for 20 years. and she is leading the russian investigation. jesse: it's so funny the democrats, they get hacked, podesta gives his password which was password to th the enemies. she has a mole in the front seat. debbie wasserman-schultz has some crazy i.t. guy. >> this is what the american people are watching and they are seeing this hypocrisy. and they say you have got to be kidding me. do they believe their own lies? the only place they believe the lies is on the coasts and the
d.c. bubble. the people in the heartland see all of this. they know it, and this is what elected this president. this is what will deliver the mid-terms for him i believe again too. jesse: let's play sound from the president. he made a prediction. here it is. president trump: they are talking about this blue wave. i don't think so. i don't think so. maxine waters is leading the charge. maxine. she is a real beauty. maxine. a seriously low i.q. person. seriously. max seen waters. -- maxine waters. she is leading the charge. all throughout the country, 125 years, whoever has the white house, that party tends to lose
the mid-terms. i don't know why. maybe it's comply season i. maybe you win and you are a little complacent. but that was two years ago. i just said why? we have the greatest economy in the history our country. we have things that never happened before. look, the democrats get in, they are going to raise your taxes, you will have crime all over the place. you will have people pouring across the border. i think it could be a red wave. i think it should be a red wave. jesse: corey, what do you see happening in the mid terms? >> i think you will see republicans gain seats in the u.s. senate. the math for the republicans is very favorable. particularly in those places where donald trump won two years ago where democrat incumbents are running for reelection.
you will see a gain of 2-3 minimum. on the house side there is a possibility the republicans will keep that house in the majority. it will be a slimmer majority. but the republicans will hold the house. the reason for that is what donald trump outlined. are you better off today than you were two years ago? unequivocally by every metric the answer is yes. unemployment particularly among hispanics and african-americans are at the lowest levels ever recorded. all those things point to putting people back in office. i think you will see a republican majority come november. jesse: they have a democratic generic lead in the head-to-head congressional matchup. i don't think trump supporters talked to pollsters. so that's baked in there. it will be a lot tighter than people think.
this was his third big campaign rally this week. we have so much to play for you. we are talking about the elections. let's talk about even further. 2020 the president name sod potential matchups and here is what he had to say. president trump: imagine running against pocahontas or crazy bernie. i have got to hand it to bernie. i saw him up there the other day, that hair is getting whiter and white and he's getting crazier and crazier. he said we'll stop donald trump. we are stopping him. i looked at my wife and said you have got to hand it to that guy. he doesn't quit. and that's okay. crazy bernie. he's one crazy dude. jesse: one crazy dude. what do you think about that one? >> he's cutting right into the base.
even some of those who might have considered themselves pretty far left. jesse: on trade. >> and if you look at the jobs numbers, unemployment is down, even among high school dropouts. the party of the little guy. the party of the guy house the have nots. this president is coming along and making their lives better. what are the democrats going to do with that? what are the socialists going to do with that? jesse: the president said i love the poorly educated. i think he was saying that with love. >> he was. but look at the numbers that came out this week. african-americans are now supporting this president at 30%. if he gets double digits in the 2020 election -- jesse: black support for president trump has gone from
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i would never sit across from him. >> never. you don't want to talk to him? >> no. i would sit across from barack though. >> jesse: the president tweeted, lebron james was just interview by the dumbest man on television. he made lebron look smart which isn't easy to do. i like mike. talk about michael jordan. >> jesse: anna, i do not think this is that big of a deal. i do not know why people are getting so worked up about this. the president hits back when he is attacked. lebron james said something he did not like and he hit him back. what is the big deal, right? >> i'll start by saying this, jesse. the thing about kneeling during the national anthem is that the original purpose as to why it was done, is no longer topic of discussion. sports athletes did it to shed light on police brutality am this nation. now, the focus has changed to
the level of disrespect it means to service members. >> jesse: it has been totally lost it am the symbolism because of the time they decided to express themselves. you understand that. they totally misread what they were doing, did not see that it was hurting their cause. now they're trying to see that trump is being devices when it was bringing unity by kneeling. >> no, that is incorrect. i would say the president's comment is divisive and beyond what the president of the united states and free world. we have lebron james, a man was been a stellar model both on and off the court. he spent $8 million of his own money to build this for the kids. nothing that donald trump has done compared to this. [inaudible conversation]
>> i do not know you but what i can say to you, do not cut me off. >> jesse: we are going to do this nicely and with class. let me just respond to something you said. i agree that lebron james has been very kind and generous, and charitable off the court with his school and everything he has done for young and disadvantaged children. with that said, it is not right to say that president trump has done nothing. he has created hundreds of thousands of jobs. he has given lots of opportunities to disadvantaged people. i do not think that is appropriate. >> first of all, no, jesse. not only did what president trump do is divisive, but it's also racist. i will tell you why. he has called out by name colin kaepernick, curry, lebron james. he has never responded to the criticism. >> jesse: what about white people he has attacked personally.
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claim by racist people on twitter. she responded to that harassment by imitating the rhetoric of their harassers. they are saying, some people said racist stuff to her so she said racist stuff back to imitate them. does that make sense? >> that does not make no sense. no, no, no. there is something wrong with the fortune cookies they are eating. there's something wrong with her. >> jesse: terrence, i think you now have your self am trouble. we will be right back. i have to go to break saved an average of $412. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. paying too much for insurance that isn't the right fit? well, esurance makes finding the right coverage easy. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412.
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Jesse Watters examines headlines pertaining to the 2016 election cycle with a rotating panel of guests and via on-the-street interviews.
vastly increased the purchases of ohio's american crop soybeans. coy bea -- soybean prices are sg to go up. we are standing up to china. we authorized up to $12 billion to help american farmers during this period of time where china is targeting the american farmer because china is smart and they know the american farmers love donald trump. and they say what can we do to stop donald trump because he's the guy, he got it right. he's bringing the wealth back to the united states. china doesn't like it. so they are spending a fortune on public relations and ads. did you ever see the ads? look at who is paying for them. and by the way, other countries. speak of china. it has just come out the democratic leader and the leader
republicans passed the biggest tax cuts and reforms in american history. we saved our family farms from the estate tax also known as the death tax, and we saved small businesses, small farms, small businesses won't be paying the death tax any any more. the individual mandate is now gone in obamacare. that's where you pay a tremendous amount of money for the privilege of not having to pay to buy terrible, horrible healthcare that's overpriced. we have given you a lot of healthcare plans you can choose from. we are giving businesses the greatest ability they have ever had to join forces to buy much better health insurance for much less money including across
state lines. and we just added and introduced a brand-new rule to offer renewable plants that could save patients 50% or more compared to obamacare. obamacare. that was a beauty. obamacare. it was repealed and replaced. and you know weighs we did, which i think is really great. it's really something. when you are really sick, it's called right to try. how many times do you know somebody, and you are reading about this potential cure, but it will be 10 more years of experiments and food and drug. and we have right to try. people sign a disclaimer, they sign an agreement for more liability. instead of traveling -- most of people don't have the money. right to try, it's passed. you wouldn't think it would be
tough. but the healthcare companies had a problem. the pharmaceutical companies had a problem because everybody was worried everybody would be sued. you sign an agreement where you don't sue people. they want to get better. they want a right to try. we approved that. they have been trying to get it for 40 years. i signed it into law three months ago. right to try. so if they have something you read about that looks really promising. you don't have to wait 12 years. you know one of the reasons you couldn't use it. they say we don't want to use it because it could hurt somebody. the people are going to die. it might not work, and it might work. it's also a great test medically. right to try. we have it. i'm so proud of that one. to retore our security we increased defense spending to
$700 billion this year and $716 billion next year. we are doing things that we have never done before. and we approved $6 billion for opioid. it's down 20%. $6 billion we got approved. thanks to our $2 billion investment in armored vehicles. workers at the legendary take plant in lima, ohio are now back on the job churning out m1 abrams tanks. churning them out. the great thing about what we are doing with $700 billion and $716. it's far more important in this case.
but we are also providing massive numbers of jobs because we build all of that equipment in the united states. that's the one case where the jobs just aren't as important. but we are doing it all here i'm proud to report we have given our service members the largest pay raise in over a decade. i have also directed the pentagon to create the 6th branch of the united states armed forces called the space force. [cheers and applause] that's going to be great. so much is happening in space. i am not just talking about mars and the moon. i'm talking about tremendous offense capability. it's in space. we are going to do the space
force. we passed the landmark va accountability act. now if a bad government workers abuses a great veteran, we turn to them and say, you're fired, get the hell out of here! you are fired! we also passed veterans choice. so if our veterans can't get care from the va in a timely manner, they have the right to go and see immediately a private doctor and get taken care of. they have been working on that one for 45 years. we got it passed. i'm good at getting things passed. we are going to get the wall passed, don't worry about that. the obstructionist democrats. the democrats are
obstructionists. the only thing they do well. they are lousy politicians, they have stupid policies, let's get rid of law enforcement, let's get rid of the military. let's not build a wall. they are haters. they do anything they can to obstruct or resist. their word is resist, resist. i used to see that word, i said why are they doing senate but they want to resist. i withdrew the united states from the horrible iran nuclear deal. and so many things have happened. i also recognize the capital of israel and five months later we opened the american embassy in jerusalem. instead of apologizing for america, we are standing up for america, we are standing up for the heroes who protect our
country. and we are proudly standing up for our national anthem. thank you. [cheers and applause] [crowd chants usa!] but to continue our incredible success, we must elect more republicans and we must elect troy balderson. we have to elect troy. so get your friend, get your neighbors, get your family and get out and vote for troy on tuesday. loyal citizens, great people like you help build this country. and together we are taking back this country. we are returning power to where
it belongs, to the american people. from columbus to the queen city cincinnati where i worked, the queen city. from dublin to cleveland and from toledo to mansfield, ohio has always been the home of red-blooded american patriots, strong people, real workers. people i love. this state is the home of the proud. and we are, we are the home of the proud. we are the home of families and farmers and miners and manufacturers and airators and astronauts. ohio is the home of everything good. ohio is where the wright
brothers invented the airplane and where annie oakley got her gun. and ohio is the state that gives us american legend and american heroes like thomas edison, neil armstrong, and john glenn. we stand on the shoulders of generations of american patriots who knew how to work, knew how to fight, and knew how to win. you know how to win. just like them we are going to keep on work. we are going to keep on fighting, and we are going to keep object winning, we are going to win so much you are going to get so tired of winning. you see what happening. we'll keep it going for a long time. we'll never give up, we'll never give in.
and we'll never back down. we'll never ever stop fighting for our families, our freedom, tore our great american -- or our great american flag. right? because we are americans. and our hearts bleed red, white and blue. we are one people, one family, and one glorious nation under god. and together as a nation we'll make america wealthy again. we'll make america strong again. we'll make america safe again. and we'll make america great again. thank you, ohio. thank you. [♪]
engineers and contractors. this room was not designed quite for this crowd. and you people are hot. so if anybody wants to leave. leave. there is a lot of people out there who want to get in, but don't leave. it is rather hot. you walk out and lose about 10 pound. you say that was very good. that beats going to a gym, right? it's hot. so much for my brand-new beautiful suit. jesse: here to react, former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski and gina loudon the head of trump's advisory board. one of my favorite moments is when he pits the people against the powerful.
he talks about the elites. i believe he has stolen this trick from the democrats who always campaign for the little guy against the campaign business interests. he ripped that out of their pocket and now owns that line. president trump: msnbc is so corrupt and disgusting. i would say almost their worse, almost worse. they are a fake news group of people. and here's the good news. the guys that we love, right? they are blowing them away in the race. hannity, laura ingraham, tucker carlson, steve doocy. so many others. they are blowing them away in the race. oh, excuse me, i would have been
in big trouble. the great lou dobbs. right? but you see, oh, maria -- maria bartiromo. i'm in trouble. i know i left out probably 10. but i didn't think i would be doing this. but they are blowing them away. cnn is down at the bottom of the totem poll. msnbc isn't even close to being next these shows. they are more elite than me? i'm more of everything they have, including this. and i became president and they didn't. [cheers and applause] and it's driving them crazy. jesse: judge jeanine is very
upset because she was not mentioned by the president. i think i heard her throw a glass in the green room. besides that we wanted to get that in there. about the he athletes versus the regular folks. -- about the elites versus the regular folks that's so effective and they loved it. >> this president joined with the american people in ways no other president has. he said during this campaign, i want all americans to be as rich as me. that gave americans a vision of going back to work, reclaiming our economy both nationally and internationally. and those are the things he delivered on. so he has every right to say that to that crowd. jesse: he's saying these people in ohio, they are smart people, they own a business, they own land, they have families, they have savings, they have high salaries. they are doing great. then you have some little weasel
making a tiny amount of money in manhattan and washington, d.c. he's got nothing going on and no action web's calling those people in the heartland deplorables, he's calling them toothless, and that's why people don't like the people in the media. >> it's not just the people in the media. it's the bi-coastal nature of going to an -- going to stanforr hash regard and look down -- or harvard and looking down on people who didn't go to ivy league schools. he's with the hard working men and women every single day in ohio who are seeing the benefit of the economy. he talked about the steel
workers going back to work. they are better off than the professional elitists. jesse: under obama where the country lost 300,000 to 400,000 manufacturing jobs. and this president has added over 300,000 manufacturing jobs. dianne feinstein, the senator from california, i think she is one of the ranking members on the senate intelligence committee and leading the charge against collusion and all that kind of stuff. it was discovered there was a chinese spy, a mole, who was her driver, for 20 years, driving the senator around. good knows what he was hearing in the front seat when she was chatting on the cell phone. and she is upset with trump for being a national security risk? president trump: it just came
out democratic leader and the leader of the russian investigation, dianne feinstein, had a chinese spy as her driver for 20 years. and she is leading the russian investigation. jesse: it's so funny the democrats, they get hacked, podesta gives his password which was password to th the enemies. she has a mole in the front seat. debbie wasserman-schultz has some crazy i.t. guy. >> this is what the american people are watching and they are seeing this hypocrisy. and they say you have got to be kidding me. do they believe their own lies? the only place they believe the lies is on the coasts and the
d.c. bubble. the people in the heartland see all of this. they know it, and this is what elected this president. this is what will deliver the mid-terms for him i believe again too. jesse: let's play sound from the president. he made a prediction. here it is. president trump: they are talking about this blue wave. i don't think so. i don't think so. maxine waters is leading the charge. maxine. she is a real beauty. maxine. a seriously low i.q. person. seriously. max seen waters. -- maxine waters. she is leading the charge. all throughout the country, 125 years, whoever has the white house, that party tends to lose
the mid-terms. i don't know why. maybe it's comply season i. maybe you win and you are a little complacent. but that was two years ago. i just said why? we have the greatest economy in the history our country. we have things that never happened before. look, the democrats get in, they are going to raise your taxes, you will have crime all over the place. you will have people pouring across the border. i think it could be a red wave. i think it should be a red wave. jesse: corey, what do you see happening in the mid terms? >> i think you will see republicans gain seats in the u.s. senate. the math for the republicans is very favorable. particularly in those places where donald trump won two years ago where democrat incumbents are running for reelection.
you will see a gain of 2-3 minimum. on the house side there is a possibility the republicans will keep that house in the majority. it will be a slimmer majority. but the republicans will hold the house. the reason for that is what donald trump outlined. are you better off today than you were two years ago? unequivocally by every metric the answer is yes. unemployment particularly among hispanics and african-americans are at the lowest levels ever recorded. all those things point to putting people back in office. i think you will see a republican majority come november. jesse: they have a democratic generic lead in the head-to-head congressional matchup. i don't think trump supporters talked to pollsters. so that's baked in there. it will be a lot tighter than people think.
this was his third big campaign rally this week. we have so much to play for you. we are talking about the elections. let's talk about even further. 2020 the president name sod potential matchups and here is what he had to say. president trump: imagine running against pocahontas or crazy bernie. i have got to hand it to bernie. i saw him up there the other day, that hair is getting whiter and white and he's getting crazier and crazier. he said we'll stop donald trump. we are stopping him. i looked at my wife and said you have got to hand it to that guy. he doesn't quit. and that's okay. crazy bernie. he's one crazy dude. jesse: one crazy dude. what do you think about that one? >> he's cutting right into the base.
even some of those who might have considered themselves pretty far left. jesse: on trade. >> and if you look at the jobs numbers, unemployment is down, even among high school dropouts. the party of the little guy. the party of the guy house the have nots. this president is coming along and making their lives better. what are the democrats going to do with that? what are the socialists going to do with that? jesse: the president said i love the poorly educated. i think he was saying that with love. >> he was. but look at the numbers that came out this week. african-americans are now supporting this president at 30%. if he gets double digits in the 2020 election -- jesse: black support for president trump has gone from
16% to 29% according to rasmussen. guys, unbelievable. gotta run. coming up, president trump versus king james.
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jesse: the president responded saying le bron james was just interviewed by the dumbest man on television, don lemon. he made le bron look smart, which isn't easy to do. i like mike. anna, i don't think this is that big of a deal. i don't know why people are getting so worked up about this. the president hits back when he's attacked. le bron james said something he didn't like and he hit him back. what's the big deal? >> i will say this, jesse. thing about kneeling during "the national anthem" was the original purpose why it was done. it's no longer a topic of discussion. sports athletes did it to shed light on police brutality. now the focus has changed to the level of disrespect to service
members. jesse: it gets lost in the symbolism because of the time they chose to express themselves. and you understand that. they totally misread what they were doing. didn't see it was hurting their cause, and now they are trying to flip it and act like trump is being divisive when it was them who brought the disunity by kneeling. >> that is incorrect. the president's comments are beyond the pale as the president of the united states and the freed world. le bron james has been a stellar model of' sportsmanship, he spent his money to build a school for at-risk kids. he levied a judgment. [all talking at once] jesse: ladies, one at a time. >> i don't know you, but don't cut me off. jesse: we'll do this nicely and
with class. wendy, let me respond to something you said. i agree le bron james has been very kind and generous and charitable off the court with his school and all he has done for young disadvantaged children. with that said, it's not right to say president trump has done nothing. he's created hundreds of thousands of jobs and given lots of opportunities to disadvantaged people. so i don't think that's appropriate. >> not only is it divisive, it's borderline racist. jesse: why? >> he called out by name colin kaepernick, stephen curry and le bron james. jesse: wait a second, anna. i can name about a dozen white people the president has attacked personally. >> what about what he's facing
on twitter? why don't you listen to what i'm saying? >> you need to tell me actual facts. jesse: this has turned into something completely ridiculous. we are unable to have a conversation so i'm going to the next segment. thank you guys have much. the "new york times" hires a blatantly anti-trump racist to be a member of their editorial board. we'll react to that next.
hydrants. here with reaction. terrance williams. i don't even have any words for that. take it away. >> that's a nasty woman. so of course the nasty "new york times" would hire her. but would they hire roseanne? no. i would tell them not to read the "new york times," but it's too late because nobody reads it anyway. i would get my news from nickelodeon. i don't know if this lady is chinese, japanese or crazy-nerks se. they are a bunch of hypocrites. jesse: they say she was being harassed by racist people on twitter and she responded to
that harassment by imitating the rhetoric of her harassers. so they are saying people said racist stuff to her so she said racist stuff back to imitate them. does that make sense? >> that don't make no sense. there is something wrong with the fortune cookie that she's eating. jesse: terrance, i think you got yourself in trouble. i gotta run. we'll be right back. i have got to go to break. my father passed this truck down to me, that's the same thing i want to do with you. it's an emotional thing to watch your child grow up and especially get behind the wheel. i want to keep you know, stacking up the memories and the miles and the years. he's gonna get mine but i'm gonna get a new one! oh yeah! he's gonna get mine but i'm gonna get a new one! when it's time for your old chevy truck to become their new chevy truck, there's truck month. get 10 or 14 percent below msrp on 2018 silverado pickups when you finance with gm financial. plus, during truck month make
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Jesse Watters examines headlines pertaining to the 2016 election cycle with a rotating panel of guests and via on-the-street interviews.
democratic leader and the leader of the russian investigation, dianne feinstein, had a chinese spy at her driver for 20 years. and she is leading the russian investigation if that's what you call it. how about leading -- she is leading the russian witch hunt. a democrat-inspired witch hunt. isn't that something? dianne feinstein -- how come china never spies on us? there are those who say they are brutal. you should ask the people. not only china. it's a lot of people. we have to stop it. we have to stop meddling and stop everybody from attacking us. but there are a lot. rush i -- russia is there, china is there.
we are probably doing well with north korea. i like dianne feinstein, but i don't like the fact she had a chinese spy driving her and she didn't know it. then she says to me, well, what did you know about this? i said give me a break. come on, folks. every day, with china not doing so well, it's only gotten worse. if there is any meddling or any problems, i guarantee you it will happen really big now because we are taking our wealth back. we are take our jobs back. we are opening up markets. every day we are setting new record. and we are keeping our promise. we have eliminated a record number of job-killing regulations. and that is so true. ohio is going to like this. we ended the war on clean coal. our miners are back to work. clean coal.
republicans passed the biggest tax cuts and reforms in american history. we saved our family farms from the estate tax also known as the death tax, and we saved small businesses, small farms, small businesses won't be paying the death tax any any more. the individual mandate is now gone in obamacare. that's where you pay a tremendous amount of money for the privilege of not having to pay to buy terrible, horrible healthcare that's overpriced. we have given you a lot of healthcare plans you can choose from. we are giving businesses the greatest ability they have ever had to join forces to buy much better health insurance for much less money including across
state lines. and we just added and introduced a brand-new rule to offer renewable plants that could save patients 50% or more compared to obamacare. obamacare. that was a beauty. obamacare. it was repealed and replaced. and you know weighs we did, which i think is really great. it's really something. when you are really sick, it's called right to try. how many times do you know somebody, and you are reading about this potential cure, but it will be 10 more years of experiments and food and drug. and we have right to try. people sign a disclaimer, they sign an agreement for more liability. instead of traveling -- most of people don't have the money. right to try, it's passed. you wouldn't think it would be
tough. but the healthcare companies had a problem. the pharmaceutical companies had a problem because everybody was worried everybody would be sued. you sign an agreement where you don't sue people. they want to get better. they want a right to try. we approved that. they have been trying to get it for 40 years. i signed it into law three months ago. right to try. so if they have something you read about that looks really promising. you don't have to wait 12 years. you know one of the reasons you couldn't use it. they say we don't want to use it because it could hurt somebody. the people are going to die. it might not work, and it might work. it's also a great test medically. right to try. we have it. i'm so proud of that one. to retore our security we
case. but we are also providing massive numbers of jobs because we build all of that equipment in the united states. that's the one case where the jobs just aren't as important. but we are doing it all here i'm proud to report we have given our service members the largest pay raise in over a decade. i have also directed the pentagon to create the 6th branch of the united states armed forces called the space force. [cheers and applause] that's going to be great. so much is happening in space. i am not just talking about mars and the moon. i'm talking about tremendous offense capability. it's in space.
we are going to do the space force. we passed the landmark va accountability act. now if a bad government workers abuses a great veteran, we turn to them and say, you're fired, get the hell out of here! you are fired! we also passed veterans choice. so if our veterans can't get care from the va in a timely manner, they have the right to go and see immediately a private doctor and get taken care of. they have been working on that one for 45 years. we got it passed. i'm good at getting things passed. we are going to get the wall passed, don't worry about that. the obstructionist democrats. the democrats are
obstructionists. the only thing they do well. they are lousy politicians, they have stupid policies, let's get rid of law enforcement, let's get rid of the military. let's not build a wall. they are haters. they do anything they can to obstruct or resist. their word is resist, resist. i used to see that word, i said why are they doing senate but they want to resist. i withdrew the united states from the horrible iran nuclear deal. and so many things have happened. i also recognize the capital of israel and five months later we opened the american embassy in jerusalem. instead of apologizing for america, we are standing up for america, we are standing up for the heroes who protect our
country. and we are proudly standing up for our national anthem. thank you. [cheers and applause] [crowd chants usa!] but to continue our incredible success, we must elect more republicans and we must elect troy balderson. we have to elect troy. so get your friend, get your neighbors, get your family and get out and vote for troy on tuesday. loyal citizens, great people like you help build this country. and together we are taking back this country. we are returning power to where
it belongs, to the american people. from columbus to the queen city cincinnati where i worked, the queen city. from dublin to cleveland and from toledo to mansfield, ohio has always been the home of red-blooded american patriots, strong people, real workers. people i love. this state is the home of the proud. and we are, we are the home of the proud. we are the home of families and farmers and miners and manufacturers and airators and astronauts. ohio is the home of everything good.
ohio is where the wright brothers invented the airplane and where annie oakley got her gun. and ohio is the state that gives us american legend and american heroes like thomas edison, neil armstrong, and john glenn. we stand on the shoulders of generations of american patriots who knew how to work, knew how to fight, and knew how to win. you know how to win. just like them we are going to keep on work. we are going to keep on fighting, and we are going to keep object winning, we are going to win so much you are going to get so tired of winning. you see what happening. we'll keep it going for a long time. we'll never give up, we'll never give in.
and we'll never back down. we'll never ever stop fighting for our families, our freedom, tore our great american -- or our great american flag. right? because we are americans. and our hearts bleed red, white and blue. we are one people, one family, and one glorious nation under god. and together as a nation we'll make america wealthy again. we'll make america strong again. we'll make america safe again. and we'll make america great again. thank you, ohio. thank you. [♪]
engineers and contractors. this room was not designed quite for this crowd. and you people are hot. so if anybody wants to leave. leave. there is a lot of people out there who want to get in, but don't leave. it is rather hot. you walk out and lose about 10 pound. you say that was very good. that beats going to a gym, right? it's hot. so much for my brand-new beautiful suit. jesse: here to react, former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski and gina loudon the head of trump's advisory board. one of my favorite moments is when he pits the people against the powerful.
he talks about the elites. i believe he has stolen this trick from the democrats who always campaign for the little guy against the campaign business interests. he ripped that out of their pocket and now owns that line. president trump: msnbc is so corrupt and disgusting. i would say almost their worse, almost worse. they are a fake news group of people. and here's the good news. the guys that we love, right? they are blowing them away in the race. hannity, laura ingraham, tucker carlson, steve doocy. so many others. they are blowing them away in the race. oh, excuse me, i would have been
in big trouble. the great lou dobbs. right? but you see, oh, maria -- maria bartiromo. i'm in trouble. i know i left out probably 10. but i didn't think i would be doing this. but they are blowing them away. cnn is down at the bottom of the totem poll. msnbc isn't even close to being next these shows. they are more elite than me? i'm more of everything they have, including this. and i became president and they didn't. [cheers and applause] and it's driving them crazy. jesse: judge jeanine is very
upset because she was not mentioned by the president. i think i heard her throw a glass in the green room. besides that we wanted to get that in there. about the he athletes versus the regular folks. -- about the elites versus the regular folks that's so effective and they loved it. >> this president joined with the american people in ways no other president has. he said during this campaign, i want all americans to be as rich as me. that gave americans a vision of going back to work, reclaiming our economy both nationally and internationally. and those are the things he delivered on. so he has every right to say that to that crowd. jesse: he's saying these people in ohio, they are smart people, they own a business, they own land, they have families, they have savings, they have high salaries. they are doing great.
then you have some little weasel making a tiny amount of money in manhattan and washington, d.c. he's got nothing going on and no action web's calling those people in the heartland deplorables, he's calling them toothless, and that's why people don't like the people in the media. >> it's not just the people in the media. it's the bi-coastal nature of going to an -- going to stanforr hash regard and look down -- or harvard and looking down on people who didn't go to ivy league schools. he's with the hard working men and women every single day in ohio who are seeing the benefit of the economy. he talked about the steel
workers going back to work. they are better off than the professional elitists. jesse: under obama where the country lost 300,000 to 400,000 manufacturing jobs. and this president has added over 300,000 manufacturing jobs. dianne feinstein, the senator from california, i think she is one of the ranking members on the senate intelligence committee and leading the charge against collusion and all that kind of stuff. it was discovered there was a chinese spy, a mole, who was her driver, for 20 years, driving the senator around. good knows what he was hearing in the front seat when she was chatting on the cell phone. and she is upset with trump for being a national security risk?
president trump: it just came out democratic leader and the leader of the russian investigation, dianne feinstein, had a chinese spy as her driver for 20 years. and she is leading the russian investigation. jesse: it's so funny the democrats, they get hacked, podesta gives his password which was password to th the enemies. she has a mole in the front seat. debbie wasserman-schultz has some crazy i.t. guy. >> this is what the american people are watching and they are seeing this hypocrisy. and they say you have got to be kidding me. do they believe their own lies? the only place they believe the lies is on the coasts and the
d.c. bubble. the people in the heartland see all of this. they know it, and this is what elected this president. this is what will deliver the mid-terms for him i believe again too. jesse: let's play sound from the president. he made a prediction. here it is. president trump: they are talking about this blue wave. i don't think so. i don't think so. maxine waters is leading the charge. maxine. she is a real beauty. maxine. a seriously low i.q. person. seriously. max seen waters. -- maxine waters. she is leading the charge. all throughout the country, 125 years, whoever has the white house, that party tends to lose
the mid-terms. i don't know why. maybe it's comply season i. maybe you win and you are a little complacent. but that was two years ago. i just said why? we have the greatest economy in the history our country. we have things that never happened before. look, the democrats get in, they are going to raise your taxes, you will have crime all over the place. you will have people pouring across the border. i think it could be a red wave. i think it should be a red wave. jesse: corey, what do you see happening in the mid terms? >> i think you will see republicans gain seats in the u.s. senate. the math for the republicans is very favorable. particularly in those places where donald trump won two years ago where democrat incumbents are running for reelection.
you will see a gain of 2-3 minimum. on the house side there is a possibility the republicans will keep that house in the majority. it will be a slimmer majority. but the republicans will hold the house. the reason for that is what donald trump outlined. are you better off today than you were two years ago? unequivocally by every metric the answer is yes. unemployment particularly among hispanics and african-americans are at the lowest levels ever recorded. all those things point to putting people back in office. i think you will see a republican majority come november. jesse: they have a democratic generic lead in the head-to-head congressional matchup. i don't think trump supporters talked to pollsters. so that's baked in there. it will be a lot tighter than people think.
this was his third big campaign rally this week. we have so much to play for you. we are talking about the elections. let's talk about even further. 2020 the president name sod potential matchups and here is what he had to say. president trump: imagine running against pocahontas or crazy bernie. i have got to hand it to bernie. i saw him up there the other day, that hair is getting whiter and white and he's getting crazier and crazier. he said we'll stop donald trump. we are stopping him. i looked at my wife and said you have got to hand it to that guy. he doesn't quit. and that's okay. crazy bernie. he's one crazy dude. jesse: one crazy dude. what do you think about that one? >> he's cutting right into the base.
even some of those who might have considered themselves pretty far left. jesse: on trade. >> and if you look at the jobs numbers, unemployment is down, even among high school dropouts. the party of the little guy. the party of the guy house the have nots. this president is coming along and making their lives better. what are the democrats going to do with that? what are the socialists going to do with that? jesse: the president said i love the poorly educated. i think he was saying that with love. >> he was. but look at the numbers that came out this week. african-americans are now supporting this president at 30%. if he gets double digits in the 2020 election -- jesse: black support for president trump has gone from
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now back to. "watters' world." president trump: i was supporting somebody else. but he's in a totally different district. did you apologize for that mistake? no, i heard today. i heard today. [crowd chants cnn sucks] jesse: president trump hitting back at the mainstream media after a week of attacks. cnn's jim acosta got into it with sarah sanders during thursday's press briefing. >> i am the first press secretary in the history of the united states that required secret service protection. the media ratchets up the verbal attack against everyone in this
administration. >> the president of the united states should not refer to us as the enemy of the people. his own daughter acknowledges that. all i'm asking you to do is acknowledge that right now and right here. >> i appreciate your passion. i share it. i addressed this question. i addressed my personal feelings. i'm here to speak on behalf of the president. he made this comments clear. jesse: joining us,' antoine gunn a former bush administration official. the fake news press has made enemies of the people because of their mistreatment of the people and their unfair reporting. you had some guy i believe it was from "politico" said everybody at the trump rally was a bunch of toothless
hillbillies. you understand that. >> this is a week when the "new york times" hired an avowed racist. someone if you change the nature of the person she is hate would go have been another david duke. they hired her and defended her. it's ridiculous. enemy of the people? you don't want to be called the enemy of the people, stop being the enemy of the people. jesse: tom, what do you think about the line enemy of the people that the president uses? are they being oversensitive? >> my point would be this. the media has a role to play. and the president complaining about the media makes no sense. he should be above the fray and do his job. jesse: the president does not stay above the fray. he gets right down in it. >> that's his problem. the media's job is to cover
whatever they want to cover, report it the way they want to report it. he should have some thicker skin than to be petty and concerned about what the media is saying. do your job, there is nothing to worry about. the press should be able to cover anything they want to cover. jesse: it's 90% negative. when he gets incoming he just counter punches. they can throw a punch but they can't take one. >> damn right, jesse. we spent eight years with george bush being a gentleman take it on our behalf. now we have someone who throws back when they throw down. i love it. it's time to get thoo these people's faces and say no were not going into consult plea, no, i'll not be treated with disrespect. if these are the new rules welcome to them. that's how we are playing the game. jesse: nobody wants to get hurt. everybody is trying to stay
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jesse: the president responded saying le bron james was just interviewed by the dumbest man on television, don lemon. he made le bron look smart, which isn't easy to do. i like mike. anna, i don't think this is that big of a deal. i don't know why people are getting so worked up about this. the president hits back when he's attacked. le bron james said something he didn't like and he hit him back. what's the big deal? >> i will say this, jesse. thing about kneeling during "the national anthem" was the original purpose why it was done. it's no longer a topic of discussion. sports athletes did it to shed light on police brutality. now the focus has changed to the level of disrespect to service
members. jesse: it gets lost in the symbolism because of the time they chose to express themselves. and you understand that. they totally misread what they were doing. didn't see it was hurting their cause, and now they are trying to flip it and act like trump is being divisive when it was them who brought the disunity by kneeling. >> that is incorrect. the president's comments are beyond the pale as the president of the united states and the freed world. le bron james has been a stellar model of' sportsmanship, he spent his money to build a school for at-risk kids. he levied a judgment. [all talking at once] jesse: ladies, one at a time. >> i don't know you, but don't cut me off. jesse: we'll do this nicely and
with class. wendy, let me respond to something you said. i agree le bron james has been very kind and generous and charitable off the court with his school and all he has done for young disadvantaged children. with that said, it's not right to say president trump has done nothing. he's created hundreds of thousands of jobs and given lots of opportunities to disadvantaged people. so i don't think that's appropriate. >> not only is it divisive, it's borderline racist. jesse: why? >> he called out by name colin kaepernick, stephen curry and le bron james. jesse: wait a second, anna. i can name about a dozen white people the president has attacked personally. >> what about what he's facing
on twitter? why don't you listen to what i'm saying? >> you need to tell me actual facts. jesse: this has turned into something completely ridiculous. we are unable to have a conversation so i'm going to the next segment. thank you guys have much. the "new york times" hires a blatantly anti-trump racist to be a member of their editorial board. we'll react to that next. know what? no, what? i just switched to geico and got more. more? got a company i can trust. that's a heck of a lot more. over 75 years of great savings and service.
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like dogs pissing on fire hydrants. here with reaction. terrance williams. i don't even have any words for that. take it away. >> that's a nasty woman. so of course the nasty "new york times" would hire her. but would they hire roseanne? no. i would tell them not to read the "new york times," but it's too late because nobody reads it anyway. i would get my news from nickelodeon. i don't know if this lady is chinese, japanese or crazy-nerks se. they are a bunch of hypocrites. jesse: they say she was being harassed by racist people on twitter and she responded to
that harassment by imitating the rhetoric of her harassers. so they are saying people said racist stuff to her so she said racist stuff back to imitate them. does that make sense? >> that don't make no sense. there is something wrong with the fortune cookie that she's eating. jesse: terrance, i think you got yourself in trouble. i gotta run. we'll be right back. i have got to go to break.
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>> interesting. and roger stone says he has no plans to testify against the president. let's listen to what he said on "ac 360" this week. >> i have not been contacted by the special counsel's office. i've made it abundantly clear that there's no circumstances under which i would testify against the president. i would not rule out cooperating if they think i could be helpful in some area. but beyond that, i have not spoken to them. >> and laura, what happens if roger stone is subpoenaed? i can't imagine he can flout a subpoena. he'll have to show up and say what he knows. >> he will, and again, you're seeing this theme play out from rudy giuliani and the like, to say that you can just thumb your nose a the a subpoena. perhaps roger stone is becoming emboldened by this concept, which is actually a fallacy, that you can say, i just don't feel like doing it, i'm not going to show up. if i do come, here are the ways i will dictate the terms of it. i'll talk about limited aspects of it. the power is not before roger
stone. the power is in the grand jury. the grand jury would like to have questions answered by them through the probe. so he can't thumb his nose. perhaps he's taking his page out of a fantasy playbook from giuliani. >> and gloria, help me out with this one. this other stone associate, kristen davis, she appeared before a grand jury today. as i watch this, we're all sort of wondering, how does she fit into all this? do we know? >> we don't know. we may eventually know. what we know is that she's a very close friend of roger stone's. she did run for governor, i believe, in new york. he was helping her campaign then. so i think they are colleagues, friends, whatever. we don't know what her relationship was with roger vis-a-vis wikileaks, vis-a-vis anything else. so sort of a titillating thing. oh, manhattan madam, she's
testifying before the grand jury. i have no idea what she's got. >> laura, do all these attempts to bring in these different associates, is this really an attempt b attempt by the mueller team to put the screws to roger stone a little bit, see how much pressure they can put on roger stone and see if they can get him to cooperate? >> i think that's his assumption, but i think he believes the target remains donald trump. perhaps michael cohen himself made that mistake when he thought that any information or discussion they were having about him was largely to get to somebody like donald trump. maybe paul manafort had that same thing. they're all finding themselves at the receiving end of a v. the united states versus or a grand jury about it. in doing so, it looks more and more every day that perhaps roger stone is not being squeezed in order to speak against donald trump, but perhaps these people being brought in are being brought in because they're talking about the target now being roger stone. remember, mueller's probe is
about whether or not there were american citizens who were conspireing with a foreign country to try to influence an election. wikileaks, back channels with american elections, a foreigner doing that, that sounds like roger stone is in the hot water. >> don't forget, the manhattan madam has the infamous list of people she procured for -- >> that could come in handy. wla laura and gloria, thank you for volunteering to come in. no subpoena necessary. president trump wasted little time slamming nfl players who pknelt during the national anthem last night. other players either raised their fists or stayed in the locker room. the president once again jumped into the fray, tweeting, of course, the nfl players are at it again, taking a knee when they should be standing proudly for the national anthem. numerous players from different teams wanted to show their
outrage at something they're unable to define. they make a fortune doing what they love. white house correspondent kaitlan collins is live from new jersey right now, where the president is on vacation. kaitlan, what is going on here? why is the president once again fixated on this issue? obviously we saw in these preseason games a small number of players doing this, but the president seizing on this issue again. >> reporter: well, jim, it's a new football season, but the same president and same attacks on those players who do kneel during the national anthem. several doing so last night or raising a fist. it didn't take the president long to reply with those tweets this morning, criticizing them for doing so. once again, that same argument we saw from the president that first started last september during a rally. however, this morning the president said that he believes these players are unable to define what it is they're protesting. that's interesting given the president himself did so at the white house just two months ago. >> we have a great country. you should stand for our
national anthem. you shouldn't go in a locker room when our national anthem is played. i'm going to ask all of those people to recommend to me, because that's what they're protesting, people that they think were unfairly treated by the justice system. i understand that. i'm going to ask them to recommend to me people that were unfairly treated, friends of theirs or people they know about, and i'm going to take a look at those applications and if i find and my committee finds that they're unfairly treated, then we will pardon them or at least let them out. >> reporter: now, jim, that idea of having nfl players suggest people for the president to pardon is something they largely rejected, but you heard the president right there say it. he believes what they're protesting is that they're being treated unfairly by the justice system. so he clearly was able to articulate it. that's because they clearly articulated it. the president does realize what it is they are protesting when
they kneel during the national anthem. but instead, the president sees this as a winning issue that he believes can rally his base, and it's likely he's going to keep these attacks up until the midterm elections. >> part of the culture wars over at the white house. kaitlan, football was not the only issue the president was tweeting about this morning. he also announced new tariffs against turkey in what was a pretty inflammatory tweet. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: yeah, this tweet coming this morning announcing they're going to double those steel and aluminum tariffs that are on turkey. the white house says that those tariffs are for national security reasons, but sources who speak with the president tell me that this stems from his frustration over their inability to secure the release of that detained american pastor in turkey. brunn s brunson has been detained for a year and a half on charges from turkey that he conspired in this coup in 2016, this attempted coup to overthrow the turkish
president. u.s. officials say those charges are bogus and they've seen no evidence, no credible evidence that andrew brunson had anything to do with that. the vice president and secretary of state have been working for weeks to try to secure his release and bring him back home. those talks have largely broken down. the back and forth happening on a regular basis over the last few weeks, but not making any progress. though officials once believed they were close to securing his release, they do not feel that way now, and the president is clearly taking out his frustrations here by doubling those steel and aluminum tariffs. >> absolutely. and inflaming tensions with an ally who's very important in that region. kaitlan collins, thank you very much. the president's in-laws benefitting from the immigration program he constantly criticizes. we'll talk about the hip ypocri of all that. plus a judge carrying a plane around carrying asylum seekers deported by the trump administration. hear furious words coming from
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here over north korea. i was there in singapore when i saw president trump and kim jong-un sign that piece of paper, that document committing the north koreans to some kind of path to denuclearization. does any of this surprise you? what do you make of this, some of this talk coming out of north korea? >> you know, i don't think any of this should surprise us, even under the best of circumstances. negotiating working with north korea has always been difficult. as you recall in 1994, i believe, and 2009, the north koreans made pretty extreme promises about denuclearization, which they later reneged on. i think what's troubling here is we have very little knowledge about the negotiations as they went on, and there were unilateral promises made by the trump administration that involved and impacted our allies there. so what exactly was the commitment? how do we follow up?
that remains to be seen. >> and i want to ask you about some of this late breaking news regarding roger stone, the former trump confidant and adviser. one ally of stone's is defying a subpoena, as you may have heard in the last several minutes, from robert mueller. another one is getting a subpoena. another is actually testifying before a grand jury right now. the so-called manhattan madam, kristen davis. congressman, what do you make of all of these people, these contacts, these associates of roger stone coming into the cross hairs of the special counsel's investigation? what does this mean about roger stone? what can you tell us about roger stone, why he's so important in all of this. >> i think roger stone is very important because roger stone made himself important. he talked about being close to julian assange during the campaign. he bragged about it. he claimed to know that mr. podesta was next in the barrel. lo and behold, surely after
those e-mails came out. he pulled back on that after the fact, but it's hard to do that. this is pretty important stuff if we're talking about conspireing with a foreign power to affect our democratic process. he claimed publicly to have that awareness and that knowledge. >> and devin nunes, as you know, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, told an audience at a republican fundraiser recently why he thinks they have to keep the majority in congress. he said if robert mueller won't clear the president, then, quote, we're the only ones. what do you make of those comments? what do they say about devin nunes and how he's been handling his position as the chairman of that very important committee that you sit on? >> yeah, i think it's a public acknowledgment of what anyone should have known all along. mr. nunes directed the house select committee on intelligence to tank the russia investigation
and shut it down. they refused to subpoena key witnesses, at least 40. they refused subpoenas on all but one witness and went along with the white house on their gag orders so people didn't have to answer our questions. perhaps more important than all that, he unilaterally committed to and conducted investigations into our own government. so as dni coats said, the lights are blinking red. our democratic process is under attack by the russians. but chairman nunes let the russians off the hook and instead went after our own government and frankly continues to do the same. >> and how about the house speaker, paul ryan? we know he's leaving soon, leaving the scene soon. but do you think as one of his final acts as speaker of the house, does he need to remove devin nunes from leadership of the house intelligence
committee, do you think? >> i think he should have done that a year ago. the only republicans i've seen really step up and speak honestly about the russia investigation and what has to take place are largely those members who are leaving office. if the speaker of the house wants to leave, showing he has that courage, this would be the first step, to take chairman nunes off that position and tell the white house we are an independent, separate branch of government. you are going to cooperate. we're going to call in these key witnesses. we're going to find out what happened. as important as that, we're going to secure our democratic process. >> and congressman, you mentioned the warning system blinking red with respect to russia. as you know, the democratic senator from florida, bill nelson, claimed earlier this week the russians had penetrated some of the voting systems in his state. now, i know you've looked into russian meddling as part of your role with the house intelligence
committee. senator nelson up until this point hasn't really provided any evidence of this, but the florida governor rick scott, as you know, who's running against nelson for that senate seat, is asking that nelson provide some proof to back up his claim. what do you make of this back and forth between these two guys who are obviously running for a very critical senate seat? as you know from your position on the house intelligence committee, is there anything to this? do we think the russians have penetrated the state of florida's election systems, which obviously the state of florida, as we know, we only have to look back to the year 2000 s 2000, is a very critical state when it comes to national elections. >> it's hard to imagine the russians didn't attempt or successfully hack into the florida board of elections process. how do we know this? because we know that illinois was the first state in august two years ago, august of 2016. the russians hacked into the
illinois state board of elections. we've been told by homeland security and others that that number of states is entsomewher between two dozen and 41 or 42. it's hard to imagine a big state like florida wasn't a target. as you know, a unified intelligence community has said that the russians hacked our democratic process, and they did it to favor one candidate over another. we tried -- an amendment i passed for the 2018 funding to secure $380 million to prevent this from happening again. that decimal point was in the wrong spot. the last time our democratic process and the electoral process was called into question after bush/gore and hanging c d chads, we spent $3.5 billion. my amendment on the house side failed on a partisan vote. we lost every single republican
to try to fund at least another $380 million. mr. comey said they will be back. the fact of the matter is they never left. the russians are still attacking all our board of elections. i think individual candidates. >> okay. congressman, mike quigley, obviously something to keep our eye on. thanks for joming coming in andg us. a federal judge erupts at the trump administration after it deports a mom and daughter seeking asylum. why the judge ordered the plane they were on to turn around and threaten to hold attorney general jeff sessions in contempt. that's coming up. plus, the president has long railed against what's called chain migration, but his wife's parents just got citizenship using it. so what's the difference between his in-laws and countless others?
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conservative immigration think tank here in washington that favors stricter immigration policies. and raul reyes, a lawyer and immigration analyst. mark, let me ask you first. do you think the administration is going overboard with deportations and that this case illustrates that? >> no, it doesn't, because this kind of thing actually happens kind of frequently. it's a huge organization, homeland security, and wires get crossed. one of my analysts, in fact, used to be a prosecutor for the ins, used to be an immigration judge. he said it happened to him in one of his cases. you know, these things happen. they found out about it later. the people never even got off the plane. the whole thing about holding the attorney general in contempt and what have you, that's show boating by the judge because this is the kind of screw-up that frankly happens, and it was resolved. it's not even really a story. >> and raul, is this just a screw-up, or is this part of a larger problem with the administration when it comes to how it handles immigration on the border?
>> well, sure, in my view, it does speak to a larger problem with this administration in two ways. number one, there is a great deal, a great lack of transparency and oversight in our immigration system. so you know, maybe these type of things do happen. maybe these so-called screw-ups do occur. the fact is most of them we never even hear about because of the way our immigration system is set up. the fact they happen here and there does not make them okay. in fact, these people, although they've gone through this strange situation, this woman whose pseudonym is carmen, they're actually the lucky ones because they have legal representation. their case is being picked up through the aclu and seems to be proceeding through the legal channels. second of all, this is problematic because the trump administration has come forth very strongly against asylum, which is a legal right that people have if they qualify. our last fiscal year, the united states only admitted a total of 20,000 people from all over the world. they only granted 20,000 people asylum.
that's roughly equivalent to a small town. at a time when we have an unemployment rate of 3.9%, 6.5 million jobs going unfilled, why is this administration seeking to close off legal channels of immigration? >> and mark, i want to move to the issue of the first lady's parents being granted citizenship yesterday. obviously we congratulate the first family on her parents becoming u.s. citizens and being a part of this great country, but the president has come out against what he calls chain migration, family based immigration, repeatedly over the years. at one point putting this tweet out, saying chain migration must end now, saying people bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. how is it appropriate for the first lady to use chain migration? >> well, everybody is able to use it because the rules are still there. >> well, but the president wants to end that, mark. you know that. so why is it okay for the first lady to do it and all of these
other people not able to do it? >> my point is everybody now is able to do it. if the rules change, then the first lady wouldn't be able to do it either. look, it's kind of like say the mortgage interest deduction. there are real arguments that's a bad idea. you know, when you fill out your taxes, deduct your mortgage interest, home mortgage interest from your income. there's arguments, sound arguments, i don't know where i fall on that, but there are sound arguments we should get rid of it. does that mean that if you believe in those arguments you should not take the mortgage interest deduction? it would be ridiculous. >> let me ask you this. >> the point is -- >> you're against this use of chain migration. do you think the first lady's parents should have been blocked from coming into the country? >> if we had changed the rules before then, yes. actually, wait, let me qualify that. because the bill that the president was promoting that actually almost passed in the house would not have prevented the first lady's parents from coming. it just would have not given them green cards. they would have been able to stay with a renewable visitor
visa so they didn't end up going on medicare. in a sense, this specific example doesn't even highlight what the critics are trying to say, that it's hypocritical or ironic or something. it actually isn't. >> raul, do you see this as hypocritical? >> sure. you know, i think in theory, yes, it's easy to look at this and say it is hypocritical. i recall when president trump warned against chain migration in his last state of the union. obvious honestly, i wish melania trump's parents all the best. the reason chain migration is because is because it promotes assimilation in this country. it allows foreign nationals to cut ties with their home country. it allows immigrants to have economic success here, not being dependent on government assistance, because it allows them to create their own network here of friends, family, and relatives. finally, it's a plus for the united states because it allows the united states to attract the best talent from all over the
world. if we are bringing in a top scientist or engineer but he's not able to sponsor his wife or maybe brother who's he's very close to, he's likely to not come. for all those reasons, i believe chain migration is good. i wish maine lane welania trump success in country. when we start closing off legal channels of immigration such as the so-called chain migration, all it does is incentivize illegal immigration, which i think we can all agree is not a good thing. >> all right. raul reyes and mark, that was a short period of time for a very interesting debate. thank you for joining us. coming up, a year since the charlottesville protest. spike lee in a new interview says the president is a bull horn for racism and says racists have a green light from the white house. plus, a fox news host tries to walk back her controversial comments that many critics are saying echo white supremacist rhetoric. what she said and the blowback next.
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see stark examples of how radically in some ways the country has changed. now, much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that, of course, progressives love. >> now, ingraham appeared to walk back or at least clarify those words on air last night after former kkk leader david duke publicly came out in support of her comments. >> a message to those who are distorting my views, including all white nationalists and especially one racist freak whose name i will not even mention, you do not have my support, you don't represent my views, and you are antithetical to the beliefs i hold dear. >> joining me now is s.e. cupp, a cnn political commentator and host of hln's "s.e. cupp unfiltered." many call those remarks blatantly racist. anthony scaramucci, the former white house communications director, called them
un-american. you saw laura ingraham sort of forcefully try to walk that back in saying this was not about race, but you wrote an op-ed about this. what's your take on all of this? >> look, when everyone hears it the same way, the problem isn't we're distorting it. the problem is we heard you perfectly the first time. she was not ambiguous about the point she was trying to make. she made it in three, four different ways. finally she explicitly said that america's unrecognizable today because of both legal and illegal immigration. there's nothing to distort there. so when white supremacists get your meaning, when david duke gets your meaning, and indeed when, you know, critics get your meaning, i think she said it exactly how she wanted to the first time. >> and s.e., when laura ingraham comes out and says the second time that she disavows white nationalism, disavows david duke, though she didn't want to
mention him by name in that second clip, what do you make of that denunciation? is that enough? i think i saw something about you said no take backsies or something on twitter about all this. >> yeah, you know, to say she was not talking about race is laughable. again, she was explicit about her -- the changing demographics. she wasn't talking about the country getting younger. she was talking about immigration, explicitly. you don't get to just say that's not what i meant, you're taking me out of context. we took you in context because you gave us plenty of it. the problem isn't, for me, laura ingraham per se. it's the millions of people who agree with her. if you leave a major city and step into any small town, rural community, or even a suburb, you will not have to look far or long to find someone who agrees with this. plenty of trump voters agree that people who don't look like them are the reason for all of their problems. now, some of that fear is
rational, of course. but some of that fear is real. i think we need to start listening to people who have this sort of fear and loathing in this surgery and not pretend that laura ingraham is alone on an island in this belief. >> right. and s.e., some people use the phrase white nationalism. you hear this phrase thrown around a lot, instead of white supremacy. what to you make of that shift in language? because, you know, honestly, it wasn't that long ago in the news business we just called it white supremacy or white supremacist. now all the sudden there's this term white nationalism and white nationalists. is that just an attempt by some to try to mainstream hate speech and people who are just trying to divide americans and pit americans against americans? what do you think of that? >> yeah, it's an interesting point. there's long been an effort on the far, far right and in other, you know, racist circles to
conflate rank racism with some kind of patriotism, some kind of love of country. the two in most people's mind, i think, are very different things. i think you can love this country and still love our diversity and still love immigration as a concept while maybe critiquing illegal immigration and some of the problems it's created. but i think calling it nationalism is that attempt to make this normalized, to make it sound like you just love your country a whole lot. and it's not the case. it's white supremacy. it's racism. and it's fear of the other. it's a fear that is stoked by this white house. it's courted, it's flirted with, it's winked at all the time. and certainly his favorite news network at fox news. again, i have to wonder if, you know, my friends at fox news, people like shep smith, people you know, i wonder if they're
mortified by that. i wonder if they're uncomfortable with what she said. if so, i'd like to hear that. >> i think a lot of them are, s.e. honestly, i talked to my cle colleagues at fox, counterparts at fox all the time, and you do get that sense from talk to them, that they're frankly embarrassed by some of the things said in the later hours of their programming on that network. but s.e., thanks very much for that perspective. we appreciate your time. of course, congratulations on your move over to cnn. your show is coming over from hln to cnn starting august 25th on saturday evenings. it's going to be a great show. of course, s.e. bringing a diverse point of view to cnn where we have diverse points of view. thanks very much. >> thanks, jim. coming up, a new report details how u.s. officials scrambled to protect a nato deal from president trump. we'll have details straight ahead. imited for the rest of us. unlimited ways to be you. unlimited ways share with others.
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what is he doing here and why is it important? >> i think we're going to see a continued escalation between the united states and turkey for one because neither presidents like to back down when publicly cornered and, two, because we're probably not going to give erdogan what he wants which is the extradition of a muslim cleric living in the united states. what we are definitely going to see is president erdogan continue to abuse human rights, human rights abuse did not start with pastor brunson, it won't end with him. turkey has been consolidating power rolling back press freedoms, jailing journalists for years. erdogan will continue doing that regardless of president trump and his tariffs. our trade policy is going to take a massive hit. president trump issued these tariffs, the original rational was that steel and aluminum imports were a risk to national security. turkey represented 2.8% of imports last year. its very clear that he's misusing his tariff authority
and the real question is how will turkey retaliate. we have an important military to military relationship with turkey. we have troops on the ground and military assets. erdogan could choose to retaliate by making those assets vulnerable. we'll see people like vladimir putin try to take advantage of the schism in the relationship. we know he called erdogan earlier and tried to move turkey closer to russian and further from the united states. >> and interesting to see all this happening between two leaders who would maybe think might be more cozy than what we're seeing right now given the president's friendliness with some undemocratic leaders around the world. thank you very much. we appreciate all those incites. robert mueller's focus on roger stone is growing as one ally gets a subpoena and another defies a subpoena. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.
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it's more of a custom inside the justice department. it doesn't say that there can't be an investigation 60 days out from an election. what it says is the norm is that there isn't an overt move in an investigation dealing with an elected official or somebody on the ballot at 60 days before the election. for example, a subpoena, an indictment or pushing to get an interview during that window. that's true. but at the same time -- you alluded to this, wolf -- giuliani is conceding that if there is no resolution between now and labor day, which is effectively the september deadline he's talking about, that it might not be the worst thing in the world politically, not legally but politically to give the republicans a rallying point to kind of protect the president, not unlike what you heard devin nunes say on that tape. to protect the president from
democrats who may want to impeach him. now, that's obviously a stretch, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it's a talking point for republicans. >> some legal scholars have pointed out that sort of that tradition of not going after people on the ballot involves members of the house, members of the senate who are up for reelection, but the president himself is not up for reelection thanchts . >> that's true. he's not on the ballot technically, but when you're dealing with the president of the united states, he's always on the ballot in a metaphoric way. in this particular election year, there is going to have a referendum on this president and he's out campaigning for people. so, yes, it is a very unique situation that you're dealing with a president under investigation. so i think it's probably something that will be concluded by all sides that it should apply in his case. >> stand by. we're going to be getting back to you soon. i want to get some more on all of this.
republican congressman ted yo of florida is joining us. thanks for joining us. >> you bet, wolf. great to hear you. >> is it appropriate, congressman, for the president's attorney rudy giuliani to be treating this investigation as a political football by dragging out the interview negotiations with robert mueller and suggesting, you know what, if there's no interview, that might be good in generating support among the president's base going into the midterm elections? >> you know, i think rudy giuliani is doing what he thinks is best for the president to move forward. this investigation really needs to go away. it was set up on russian collusion and russian meddling in our election. we know they meddled. there is no evidence of collusion. the fisa warrants were issued on those pretenses. >> excuse me for interrupting, but we don't know what mueller has. he's been very silent.
we don't know if he has evidence of collusion or conspiracy or cooperation or any of those areas. we know the investigation is continuing. but you know how this investigation can be wrapped up right away? if the president agrees to sit down with the special counsel and his team and answer questions. why not simply do that? >> i don't see a need for that. i would defer to rudy giuliani again. this investigation should go away. it was set up on a false pretense. we've read the memos. there is no collusion. they're going to drag this out. this thing just needs to go away so we can get on with the nation's business. we talk about our debt, we talk about these other threats. this is a distraction. think how much more we could get done in congress as a nation if we got rid of this witch hunt. >> i just want to correct you. you keep saying it's a false pretense. do you agree the russians did meddle in the u.s. presidential elections in 2016? >> there's no doubt about that.
>> all of the members of the u.s. intelligence community agree, including the president's own director of national intelligence and cia director and everyone else. >> sure. >> isn't that part of the investigation that robert mueller and his team are -- >> we know that happened. >> -- to learn all of the lessons and to see if there was any cooperation whether with george papadopoulos or any of the trump advisors working in that area? >> you know, i think after a year, year and a half and millions of dollars, i believe they would have found it by now. >> how do you know they haven't found it if we don't know the results of mueller's investigation? >> well, he should have come out with it by now. >> he's waiting to speak to the president, though. >> the president hasn't been charged with anything and he hasn't shown any wrongdoing. so i don't know if i would sit down with robert mueller if it was me. i don't believe i would. >> they usually wait for the
principal in this particular case to be the final element in the investigation. >> that gives the prosecutor a leg up to sit down with him. you know, if i were president trump, i don't believe i would. i'd listen to rudy giuliani. >> the whole point, though, and it's a simple notion that all of us grew up with. our parent always told us, if you have nothing to hide, go ahead and speak the truth and you won't be in trouble. what is the president and his lawyers afraid of in sitting down and answering questions if the president didn't do anything wrong? >> i agree. i think we'd like to hear what was said on the plane with bill clinton and loretta lynch. let's hear what that brings out. again, they've had a year and a half to find something. obviously they don't have anything. they're dragging this out. i disagree with that. >> all that stuff with bill clinton and loretta lynch and all that other stuff with hillary clinton has been thoroughly investigated. you saw the inspector general's report and the department of
justice came out with a lengthy report. they've reviewed it in detail. this is a separate matter right now. let's get into another issue, because you're always kind to join us here. the recently uncovered recording of your colleague, the house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes telling republican donors that republicans need to keep the majority in the house of representatives. and then he suggested in order to protect president trump from the special counsel's investigation. do you think it's your job to protect the president of the united states from this kind of investigation? >> before i answer that, i listened to that recording seven times and i never heard the word protect. what i heard devin nunes say at the end of that is if we don't keep the majority, all this goes away. you know, the tax cuts go away, the reforms we made with regulations, they go away. so you can read that protect in there. i did not hear the word protect.
so i don't know if that's conjecture. i didn't hear that portion of it. i've listened to your show for the last hour listening to that and i played it back over and over again. >> if that's his goal to protect the president, as you know the legislative branch is coequal with the executive branch. >> right. >> your mission is to do what's necessary to protect the american people, not necessarily the president of the united states. >> absolutely. >> if he's making that suggestion, you've got to have a republican majority in order to make sure the president doesn't have to deal with robert mueller, that's not necessarily appropriate, is it? >> well, again, i didn't hear the word protect. you're putting that word in there. i heard that all this goes away. again, i think devin nunes was talking about all the gains we've had, the historic low unemployment, the minimum wage going up across the country, over 4 million people getting bonuses and the millions of people that have gotten
increased pay because of the tax cut that we passed. that's what i think devin nunes was talking about when i heard that tape. he's talking about all that goes away. >> you're right. the word protect specifically is not included in this statement. but clearly it's implied. >> let's leave that out of this discussion. >> i could play that clip for you one more time. certainly if you hear what he's saying about robert mueller and his investigation, the need for a republican majority in the house of representatives, the implication is that you've got to keep a republican majority to make sure the president is protected. >> well, we want to keep a republican majority because we like the crumbs that are coming in and the american people do too. they sent us up there to do what we've done, and we want to make sure the agenda of the republican party and this president stays intact with the ga gains we've made. i agree with devin nunes. if we lose that majority, all
those gains go away and you'll have nancy pelosi on the house floor rallying for eight hours to protect the people here illegally and they'll have open borders and get rid of the tax cuts and god knows what else. i stand with devin nunes on that comment. i did not hear the word protect. i hope that the media gets that right and says the word protect was not in that statement. i think that's a little false advertising. >> we get your point. but it was certainly implied if not specifically used, that one word protect. >> that's a little thin. >> we can leave it on that and let the viewers make up their mind to see what he was driving at. let me get your thoughts. you're a member of the house foreign affairs committee. on these latest sanctions against russia for the poisoning of an ex-russian spy on british soil, including his daughter as well. these sanctions are required by u.s. law, but the administration
didn't implement them until the chairman of the foreign affairs committee wrote to the white house in late july, saying you've got to do this because it's the law of the land. you're a member of the foreign affairs committee. do you want the administration to be more proactive about combatting russian misbehavior? >> yes, absolutely. chairman royce, i have the utmost respect for him. if he's leading us, i'm 100% behind it. these are tools that we've come up with of arrows in a quiver that an administration can use. if we don't use the tools, whether it's russia, china, north korea or iran, we're weakening our hand. i agree with chairman royce. when you ever a nefarious actor like russia that you know is meddling in our elections and there's evidence that they're doing it again, we need to act on that. that's why we put in our cyber security response and deterrence
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his more than 20 interviews he's had now with the special counsel. the prosecutors said those discussions up by the bench. they'd like to keep them secret, because it relates to an ongoing investigation, an ongoing criminal investigation. what are the two things that the special counsel is looking into? it's paul manafort's financial dealings. the other one is that key issue of russian interference in the election and the possibility, if it exists, of the trump campaign cooperating with the russians into the interference in that election. what that filing makes clear is that the special counsel is talking to rick gates, someone who is very high in the trump campaign, deputy campaign chairman, in fact. they're still talking to him, they're asking him questions and that that question, at least as described by the prosecutors in the filing, is an ongoing criminal investigation. they're still relying on him and his testimony still relevant to
that open question. >> important point. jim sciutto, thank you very much. let's dig deeper into all of this. jeffrey toobin is joining us. how unusual is it for a federal judge to admonish a prosecutor like this? and how unusual is it for that same judge to then apologize in front of the jury? >> judge ellis is a bully and a disgrace. his behavior in the courtroom is appalling. there are many ways that judges can keep a disciplined courtroom that can move cases along quickly without berating and embarrassing the lawyers, especially when the judge was wrong. the issue that came up was, he yelled at the prosecutors because they allowed an expert witness to remain in the courtroom and listen to other testimony, but he had previously allowed expert witnesses, explicitly said it was okay for them to be in the courtroom.
and grudging hi the iningly thi said, well, probably i was wrong. not probably, definitely he was wrong. it is unusual because most judges are better and less arrogant than this judge is. you know, i don't think it will affect the outcome of the trial, but i think it's a poor model in a high profile case. >> let's turn to rudy giuliani's latest remarks to our own dana bash. he says he might not mind dragging out the russia investigation because it could help fire up the republican base ahead of the midterm elections. what did you make of that comment from the president's attorney? >> i think he may be right. if you look at how rudy giuliani has conducted his defense in public, it has been basically an attempt to rally the base to convince the president's supporters that robert mueller is a thug, that robert mueller is on a witch hunt. and it's been pretty successful according to the polls.
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situation where -- this puts us in such a tough spot. if sessions won't un-recuse and mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones. which is really the danger. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. >> what's your analysis? >> it's a protection racket. i mean, he wants to protect the president. if you want to say, look, we need to keep the republican majority because we need to do more on tax reform or, you know, we want to do more on trade, we want to get rid of nafta, whatever it is, fine, fine. those are issues. what he's talking about is protecting the president from bob mueller, the special counsel. you know, he's also saying if we did this now, if we tried to
impeach rod rosenstein, if we impeach rod rosenstein, we're going to hold up the confirmation of cavanaugh for the supreme court, which people would argue is probably a little bit more important. so let's hold off on impeaching the deputy attorney general until after the election. so let's make sure we can keep this majority. and by the way, use this as an issue in the election, which is what they're going to do. >> rebecca berg, you didn't hear the word protect, but the whole upshot of this is that if there's no republican majority in the house of representatives, mueller and sessions doesn't un-recuse himself and mueller won't clear the president, the republican majority is the only one that can prevent this real danger to the president of the united states from unfolding. so the protection is clearly implied there, even if that word
protect is not used. >> absolutely. it's clear what devin nunes here is saying. it's not necessarily surprising that he would think this, that he would believe this. but to hear a house committee chairman, much less the intelligence committee chairman, give voice to these feelings is rather stunning. two things, first, because of what it says about his investigation, about the work that he has done on the intelligence committee. it casts doubt on everything the h -- he has done. it racises questions about his impartiality. then it's also playing right into the hand of democrats politically. they have been arguing that they need to come to washington to be a check on the president, because republicans won't do it. that's exactly what devin nunes here is saying. >> congress is supposed to be a coequal branch of government with oversight responsibilities, responsibilities to the american
public, not necessarily to the executive branch, including the president. >> right. a coequal article i branch of government that's supposed to be loyal to the constitution, not to the president of their own party. i think republicans in the house have at times played this fairly partisan even in comparison to republicans in the senate. what makes congressman nunes stand out is that if you look at some of his statements, that statement, his actions going to the skiff at the white house last spring to try and look at documents to backstop the president's claim about the obama administration spying on him. the difference between him and some of his colleagues is he doesn't seem to mind that we all perceive him that way. he is riding for trump and that is what makes him stand out. >> what do you make of congressman devin nunes's remarks? >> are you kidding me? if this were a serious process, we're going to get either indictments or i suspect we're going to get a written report
atteat the end of this process by mueller that will include the facts of the investigation. a real committee -- look at the senate intel committee led by republican senator richard bu burr very honorably looking at the russia process and saying why don't we consider a fact. devin nunes is saying, i don't care what mueller find, we're supposed to be a block on the mueller process. if you gave nunes the f and the a, he couldn't spell fact. all he says is we've got to block what they do. the senate's got this right. the house never has. >> the funny thing about congressman nunes that surprises me sometimes is that president trump is loyal to no one that's not named trump. it's a wonder why he thinks that if at any point it becomes useful to the president to say congressman nunes, who? never heard of the guy. he used to get coffee for us. he probably will do that based on his track record.
so why is he sticking to closely to him? it's hard to say. >> new statistics coming out from puerto rico to the hurricanes, the death toll from last year's hurricanes in puerto rico, irma and maria. now 1,427 people were killed from this hurricane, as opposed to about 60 originally mentioned in the early statistics. it's approaching hurricane ka trina at 1,833. these are american citizens on puerto rico. what are your thoughts on the new information from the government of puerto rico? >> i think the united states government needs to do an accounting, a public accounting of what occurred here and what went wrong. the president was saying things were going great, the electric grid was up, you know, the 40-odd deaths were unfortunate but things were going well.
i mean, now you're talking about a huge number of people who have perished. where is the president? and where are the departments here of government talking about what went wrong afteraction, what they can do better, why it didn't work, where were the resources? and we're not hearing that. we're not hearing that. look, there's so much else going on, you know, we're talking about children being separated from their parents at the border, we're talking about the russia investigation, we're talking about russia. we're talking about nato. there is so much incoming right now that it's hard to kind of focus on what occurred months and months ago. but these are people, americans, americans who died who were not given assistance that they
needed. at some point, the buck stops with the president of the united states. >> let's play what the president said in the immediate aftermath of the hurricanes in puerto rico. listen to this. >> we saved a lot of lives. if you look at the -- every death is a horror, but if you look at a real catastrophe like katrina and you look at the hundreds of people that died and you look at what happened here with really a storm that was just totally overpowering. what is your death count as of this moment, 17? >> 16. >> 16 people certified. 16 people versus in the thousands. you can be very proud of all of your people, all of our people working together. 16 versus literally thousands of people. >> we now know, according to the government of puerto rico, 1,427 people were killed in those
hurricanes. >> right. so it really puts the president's comments in a whole new light, wolf. maybe the president shouldn't have been celebrating that moment in the first place. i mean, it's one thing to praise the government workers, the first responders who in light of a natural disaster of that magnitude are responding and trying to save lives. certainly the president should thank them and praise their work. but to try to take credit in that moment, to talk about those at the time 16 lives -- now we know it to be thousands of lives lost -- as if they were points on a scoreboard rather than people who are now dead whose families will never see them again, the president doesn't only have an obligation as an executive but also as a moral leader, as an emotional leader in moments of crisis and disaster. and you really didn't see that from president trump in this case. >> you've got to blame the governor in puerto rico too for
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it. >> reporter: at the pentagon, vice president mike pence unveiling the white house plan. >> the time has come to establish the united states' space force. >> reporter: pence making the case the u.s. is under threat. >> russia, china, to north korea and iran have pursued weapons to jam, blind and disable our navigation and communication satellites. >> reporter: in 2007, china used a missile to destroy one of its own out of date satellites. what if it had been targeting u.s. satellites? >> what that means is that it put every single thing that we have in space at risk. that includes gps communications. it include all of the communication satellites that we have, all of the things we depend on nowadays for our daily life, was all of a sudden put at risk by that one action by the chinese in 2007. >> reporter: the kremlin working on a similar threat. >> russia's been designing an airborne laser to disrupt our space based system and it claims
to be developing missiles that can be launched from aircraft mid flight to destroy american satellites. >> reporter: defense secretary james mattis was initially unenthusiastic about adding more bureacracy to the pentagon, telling congress in 2017, i do not wish to add a separate service that would likely present a narrower and even parochial approach to space operations. mattis now says he's on board with the plan. congress would have to approve a new branch of the military. and there are questions if more military offices are the right solution for a 21st century threat. >> i think this is maybe the wrong bureaucracy for >> so if there was a successful attack against a satellite, it could be catastrophic and push american life back into the 1940s or '50s because of that
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51-year-old forest gordon clark. now behind bars and facing several felony arson charges. and if convicted, could face the rest of his life in prison. >> you know how this fire started? >> i have no idea. i was asleep. i had two ear plugs in. i just woke up, dude. i got burned. i woke up and my stuff was all on fire. >> this is a monster. humidity and high wind and the highest heat temperatures this time of the year and intentionally set the forest on fire? >> he needs to be in jail for the rest of his life. truly does. >> holy gym volunteer fire chief mike milligan has known clark for decades and showed us a tech he says clark sent him just weeks ago. "it's also going to burn, just like you planned," it read. alleged behavior milligan said he warned officials of in the past. i said, you have to take care of this or he's going to burn something or kill somebody.
and that was three years ago. >> reporter: california's warm and dry conditions, including july, registering as the hottest month on error -- record here have created the perfect storm for wildfires. nearly 17,000 structures are threatened by three fires alone, as thousands of people have evacuated their homes. more than 13,000 firefighters are battling 19 major fires across the entire state, including what has already become the largest in california's history, the mendocino complex fire. on the front lines, a firsthand glimpse at how they're trying to fight it. controlled burns help get rid of any potential fuel that could help spread the wildfire. this fire is huge, but why has it been able to grow so big? >> our first priority is protecting the communities and the homes. secondly, in building our control lines, we have to use a national lly occurring geograph features to help us control the fire. >> reporter: back in southern california, residents here are
grappling with the possibility that this destruction may be intention al intentional. already the second wildfire authorities here are calling arson. >> i have to say, i'm not surprised, however, i feel -- i just feel terrible that this has all gone down. >> reporter: and if you take a look right now, it looks like that fire is getting closer to that structure there. this is the concern, this is what they're trying to stop. but take a look also, wolf, at the thickness, the darkness of the smoke here. that tells you that it is finding new fire, new brush to burn through, and if you look to the right, you can see how clear it is, to show you that this darkness you're seeing here is strictly from the fire and the smoke here. the lake is over there, that is where they're going to pull up water from helicopters, from plains, to fight this fire, but, obviously, when you come this close to civilization, this is where the concern is and this is where they're battling right now. >> stephanie elam on the scene for us. let's bring in chief mike mueller, the deputy director of communications for cal fire.
he's joining us now on the phone. chief, give us the latest on the progress you're making. is there any end in sight? >> right now, wolf, thank you for having us. what we're seeing right now across the state is explosive fire growth. like you mentioned, we have other 13,000 firefighters engaged. unfortunately, what we're going to see is red flag warnings throughout northern california, increased high temperatures in southern california, so it's really a statewide emergency. >> what's the toughest challenge for your firefighters out there on the front lines? >> i think right now, you know, one of the fires -- the mendocino complex being the largest in the state history, again, we're recovering, still not, from a drought of six years of dead and dying fuels, explosive fire growth, very difficult country, and then as you can see on the holy fire, what we call the wildland urban interface makes it very difficult for firefighters to get in there and protect property. >> do you expect the weather to shift in your favor anytime soon? >> we don't, for the next, unfortunately, seven days, the weather outlook is not in our favor. we have a lot of open fire line