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Arsenal, they would be a country that would be wielding far less influence on the world stage. if they made progress there, i think that is the number one reason why you would want to engage with russia and perhaps to do it. but you have to do that from a position of strength and make putin know that there will be consequences if they continue to behave that the way that they did when obama was president. >> what did russia get out of this high-stakes meeting? >> i dont know what they got out of...