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these talks are happening as russia carried out yet one more brutal attack on civilians in ukraine. european allies accusing russia of a war crime for a missile attack on a shopping mall that killed at least 18 people. many more, poppy, missing this morning. >> absolutely devastating. were also here in the united states following major developments in the january 6th investigation. in just a few hours, a surprise hearing on capitol hill. the january 6th committee will hear live testi...

Sort of such drama and the unexpected nature and timing if there werent information that the committee felt was a big deal, and that time was after. >> clearly, right before the july 4th holiday. elliott what we do know from her prior testimony before the committee and her video deposition is that she did say under oath that meadows and giuliani were involved in early conversations about putting forward a fake slate of electors. how do you think that that begins to address the three sort of ques...

Sends him back. i just think a person that can do that, if youre michael cohen, hes not going to be loyal to you if he can do that to his own son. >> i have to say, well, first of all, it kind of explains the surprise that trump experienced when people were so upset about the child separation, right? maybe he doesnt care about being separated from his own kids. as for michael cohen, you know, i have to say this is the least surprising development. its easy to bluff and say, you know, id take a b...

Constant? >> and i think hes a similar kind of guy. i think people in this orbit know what theyre dealing with. theyre trying -- i think often laboring under the illusion that they can get some kind of loyalty back. that when trump shines his orange sun on them, they think that there is a loyalty going in the other direction too, but i think when push comes to shove, they remember what is actually the reality, which is, as you said, that the loyalty goes one way and, you know, you only have one ...

Anything, to communicate to the russian ambassador about the u.s. sanctions. that is the portion of this document thats gotten the most attention, matt, because there it is in black and white. he was directed by a senior member of the transition team. matt miller, who fits the bill there? who are the senior members of the transition team who could have directed the national security adviser? >> ill add one other thing. not only does the statement of offense refer to a senior official in transiti...