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Miss kellie, you are putting words in my mouth. >> i am not, i am asking you. >> you are putting words in my mouth. stop it >> you are rejecting that testimonial as not true. >> people can say anything and they do before testimony in committees. the fact is, that we dont know that to be true. if he brings us evidence we would be glad to see that. i offered you 30,000 and because you dont have a tax exempt i will not give it if he had a letter or something like that we had something to talk about...

Rubble alive after s four stories of building wound up collapsing on a salvation army store. sadly,n now confirm that one other person did not m it. search and rescue operations apparently still ongoing. more on this as we get it. back now to a story we been following today on the fallout from a hearing yesterday before the house ways and means committee before congressman jim mcdermott suggested the tea party groups and other groups who were testifying, and who were targeted by the irs, may h...

Benghazi. and so he hasot gotten away with a complete pass even on that, because the numbers are higher, i think, with respect to irs and s. but in any event, nonethel chris, his job approval remains the same. its 48% approve of the job hes doing. that matches the poll they did in april. while hesyncing with independents, overall hes still okay. >> its metastasizing. it will get worse over time. they ho to have a controlled burn that doesnt torch him completely but that hell just sink over the d...

With the harassing i.r.s. to educate y sir, ors i.r.s. on exactlyy what questions are appropriate and request which ones are not? >> that a rhetorical question to the committee and the chairman. why are we having these people who told us the story. lets get on to how we fix it how do you fix this? it is going to continue to happen if you dont fix it. there was nothing said in the whole hearing up until the time i was there . i stayed to the very end and no one talked about how do we fix this. >>...

The only group that lost that was told they couldnt have an exemption was a liberal group. >> yeah, hundreds of them were kept waiting for months and months and actually years at a time. >> they were never denied -- >> who cares? who cares? if youre stuck for three years with no answer, isnt that the same as an effective denial? >> they can still operate. they can still collect money. they can still put out advertisements. the can use their first amendment rights. nobody at the irs stopped them ...

I think people like congressman mcdermott -- >> thats one point for him to make when hes talking to his other republi or one-on-one with an interviewer or me. heas the victim sitting there, right in front of him. the one woman was in tears moments earlier and his respon^ sounded callous to some. democrats are frustrated because this is a serious situation that hasnt been handled well. from a communications perspective, it has not been handled well either. but its a difficult situation. there se...

Watched yesterday in the i.r.s. targeting of conservative groups. we heard tea party telling their story of i.r.s. harassment and detailing longg delays and questioning they were subjected to. congressman mcdermot from washington state challenged their accounts and motives. >> none of your organizations were kept from organizing or silence. if you didnt come in and act for the tax break, you would not have had a question asked of you. i get a feeling of many of you and my republican colleagues b...

Question, and one we can debate reasonably. the way he went about it was arguably alienating because it sounded like he was blaming the victims. we put up the fullscreen of the witnesses -- the lady from iowa who was there, talking about how much they put her through. look at these women. theyre just regular american women who were they fly into washington, d.c. to give their testimony before the house ways happened to them.ee about what and then youve got these lawmakers saying, well, i havent ...

Fair-minded people on the left are saying, not that much. >> there are been people on the right who hav pushing to have greater scrutiny of the left-leaning 501c4s, too. we have a country you can get tax-exempt status for doing political work, left or right -- >> let me ask you this. i raised with him the testimony of the man who lost a $30,000 granted because he wasnt getti and he suggested that man may not be believable and people say things in front of congress all the time. whats that about?...

Question the committee and the chairman. why are we having these people, who told us their story, we got it out of the way. now lets get to the real question, how do you fix it? how do you fix this because its going to continue to happen if you dont fix it. there was not anything said in the whole hearing up to the time i was there. in fact, i stayed till the very end and there was never anybody talking about how fix it. >> i understand that, sir, but you did not phrase it as a rhetorical questi...