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lumpts in congress? joining me is tim jacob, the chairman of arkansas term limits. great to see you again. thank you very much. tim, you and i worked on a term limit initiative in 1992 in arkansas. yes, we did. it passed, overwhelmingly, the largest margin by a ballot initiative at that time. why do people want term limits? they want career politicians to stop. they want a shared responsibility in government. that s what it s all about. there are so many able and talented people in our state, and every state, and it needs to be a shared responsibility. we don t want people staying in there forever. they forget why they were sent. you know, the typical response is, well, we have term limits. it s called an election. why isn t that a term limit? incumbents get 88% of all campaign contributions, first of all, and they use their office in order to keep themsive thems power. we think it s a shared responsibility. there s no reason for someone to be in office for a career.
we don t want a royal class here. this is a different type of country, and we want citizens to participate in their government and participate in many ways. you know, tim, when we were fighting for term limits and this was before i was elected to something, people said, oh, the lobbyists will have all the power. my experience, having watched it over the past 20-something years, is that the lobbyists have a lot less power when there are term limits. that s exactly right. we re still waiting for the first lobbyist in the last 20 years to support term limits. it s never going to happen. it makes their job harder. lobbyists have an important part in the political system, but they don t need to be king makers. they need to be an information source. do we ever get to the place where congress has term limits, because look, there s good guys in congress. i like a lot of them, but if everybody had to go at some point, it seems like we would kind of flush the system from time to time. can
lumpts in congress? joining me is tim jacob, the chairman of arkansas term limits. great to see you again. thank you very much. tim, you and i worked on a term limit initiative in 1992 in arkansas. yes, we did. it passed, overwhelmingly, the largest margin by a ballot initiative at that time. why do people want term limits? they want career politicians to stop. they want a shared responsibility in government. that s what it s all about. there are so many able and talented people in our state, and every state, and it needs to be a shared responsibility. we don t want people staying in there forever. they forget why they were sent. you know, the typical response is, well, we have term limits. it s called an election. why isn t that a term limit? incumbents get 88% of all campaign contributions, first of all, and they use their office in order to keep themsive thems power. we think it s a shared responsibility. there s no reason for someone to be in office for a career.
we don t want a royal class here. this is a different type of country, and we want citizens to participate in their government and participate in many ways. you know, tim, when we were fighting for term limits and this was before i was elected to something, people said, oh, the lobbyists will have all the power. my experience, having watched it over the past 20-something years, is that the lobbyists have a lot less power when there are term limits. that s exactly right. we re still waiting for the first lobbyist in the last 20 years to support term limits. it s never going to happen. it makes their job harder. lobbyists have an important part in the political system, but they don t need to be king makers. they need to be an information source. do we ever get to the place where congress has term limits, because look, there s good guys in congress. i like a lot of them, but if everybody had to go at some point, it seems like we would kind of flush the system from time to time. can