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Those, but i dont feel that they walk around with a great deal of self pity. instead, its what do i need to do to make it from point a to b, even if it wasnt as hard or easy as it was ten years ago. so i think it would be nice if they were more aware of some of the statistics, you know, you guys are talking about. >> what do you think -- how do you -- if they were aware, ife cod gilltrspt l nf erods ow dyoth wld b see stronger groups of -- lets say whats going on now in terms of collective actio...