26. what did that come to mean? my understanding, ambassador sondland s use of that term was the three people in charge of ukraine policy during the summer where he, gordon sondland, ambassador volker and secretary perry. what did you come to, when did you come to learn about mr. giuliani s role and what do you consider his role to have been? i first heard about former mayor giuliani s interest in ukraine in january of this year, that was a different phase than what happened during the summertime. was it normal to have a person who is a privat citizen take an active role in foreign diplomacy? i did not find his particular engagement normal, no. now, ambassador taylor, you testified that there are two channels, a regular and irregular. what did you see as rudy giuliani s role in ukraine policy? congresswoman, i came to see
that mr. giuliani had a large influence on the irregular channel. and was that normal? is that normal to have a private citizen of the united sta
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And when al hague called him he have at san clemente he was at san clemente walking on the beaches in wing tips, which was he was attacked for. i thought it was a good choice. but hague calls him, he was the white house chief of staff at that point and nixon said is there any give in it? any error in it? ? it was unanimous and he said no. and that set in motion the last 14 days or so of that tragedy. with trump and this moment now, one of the questions we have, both legally and culturally is, because president nixon was pardoned by president ford in september of 1974, an act for which ford was excoriated in real time, celebrated 25 years later or so before he died in