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Records obviously. they have a paper case, i think you and others have described it. why would manafort not plead guilty if he hadnt been promised already a pardon donbye president? >> thats a great question. think theres ever chance that he will plead guilty. sometimes it takes certain kinds of people, very prideful period certain period of time to come to grips with the reality theyre face. it took gates some time. it seems like it was a dicey thing up to the end with gates and hes got four ch...

Was a paper case. it was mainly documents accusing him of failing to register as a foreign lobbyist, accusing him of bank fraud and tax fraud. now you have this very compelling witness who can say that he was there every step of the way with mr. manafort as they committed those crimes together. and that is putting enormous pressure on manafort to plead guilty, which seems to be what robert mueller wants, because at the end of the day, this is not really about bank fraud and tax fraud. this is ab...

He would any snitch. he says what you got? and if gates says i have stuff on manafort, mueller says thats not good enough. chris, i could go to the federal courthouse three blocks from here if i can get my credentials back, im not a prosecutor anymore, i could win that case against manafort in a day. thats a paper case. >> so you think this is directly to trump? >> its about trump, its about trump junior, its about kushner, its about somebody with a higher in the food chain than it is manafort. ...

Learned tonight, what we should be paying the closest attention to? >> well, kasie, we have learned that a man who is essentially paul manaforts right-hand aide for years has now turned against him and is prepared, it seems, to go to court to testify that they together participated in some very serious crimes. and in order to get that deal, or rather rick gates has agreed to plead guilty to charges that could land him in some prison time, but could also result in probation if he offers substanti...

Mueller three weeks ago in the office of the special counsel. and then he decides he wants to flip and mueller treats him like he would any snitch. he says the what you got. if gates says i have stuff on manafort, mueller says thats not good enough. i could go to the federal courthouse, if i could get my credentials back, i could win that case against manafort in a day. thats a paper case. >> you think this is directly to trump? >> its about trump. its about trump junior, its about kushner, its ...

To put on paul manafort and how robert muellers team could use that as leverage to get further into donald trumps inner circle, potentially right up to donald trump himself. >> well, it is a two-step process. the first step is try to put pressure on manafort himself to plead guilty. why does this put pressure on? because the governments case was always again -- against the two of them. mueller said the two were involved in this lobbying work for the ukrainian government for nine years and they m...

Conducted in manaforts house, they have everything. they have, what, more than a dozen computers. they have -- >> yeah. >> they have files and files of records. obviously they have a paper case. why would manafort not plead guilty if he hadnt been promised already a pardon by the president? >> well, thats a great question. i think, you know, there is every chance that he will plead guilty. sometimes it takes certain kinds of people, very prideful people a certain period of time to sort of come t...

This is a paper case, too. you dont need witnesses to prove this up either. youve got beak the e-mails you just mentioned, the tax records and you know, the contrary accounts. thats really all you need. this is a paper case too, a very strong case. you make up how dumb people are sometimes in their e-mails. >> ben, im sort of amazed. heres paul manafort just doing this stuff. i mean, until robert mueller comes along. here he is doing what a lot of these are public transactions what hes alleged t...

Im not surprised they added the tax fraud accounts that were coming if you read the first indictment. were still in a little bit of not knowing whats going on. >> not with gates. one thing that stuck out to me when you talk about pressure, people made this how the first set of charges were paper cases that you dont need witnesses. i either registered or you didnt. theres a bunch of stuff. theres some evidence here what these people are putting in e-mails, one of the things happening here is they...

>> so here is a data point for muellers bio that i think is very revealing. he left a cushy job at a firm making a lot of money to be a homicide prosecutor in d.c. in the 90s. he is going after people like papadopoulos and flynn. he thinks theyre low life thugs like he used to prosecute back in d.c. i think he had a little sit-down with gates where gates said okay, i can give you information about manafort. mueller is like i got that case. thats easy to prove. thats a paper case. its failure to ...