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Thing that thing that i as a journalist would look for, the absolute nut -- im not going to do the perry mason thing because you never get a perry mason -- >> perry mason para docks. >> there you go. the question is why didnt mueller indict him. was it because the president didnt commit a crime? or because there was the jurisdiction, the office of legal counsel guidelines from the justice department saying, you cant indict a sitting president? that would be the one question i would want to have ...

Mark, former new orleans mayor and president and ceo of the national urban league which produced the report and with us is my colleague joy reid, host of a.m. joy, weekend mornings here on msnbc. i often join joy on her show to discuss economic issues. so, im glad that youre able to join us to have this one. mark, let me start with you. >> thank you. >> in 2018, while we have to look at the legacy issues african americans face that affect earnings and life expectancy and all that, if we dont con...