primary. so stand by for a key race alert any minute now. >> you're looking at live pictures from the capitol where any minute now house speaker paul ryan, he will hold a press conference. this comes after his first official face-to-face -- actually two face-to-faces with the presumptive nominee. >> faces-to-faces is harder to say. it's like attorneys general. i'm not sure what the right plural is. reince priebus hosted the meet and groo eet and called the meeg great and a positive step toward unity but what will paul ryan say? that's so crucial. it comes a week after he dropped that bombshell on cnn that he is not yet ready to back donald trump. year joined for this big event by cnn chief political correspondent dana bash who is live outside the rnc headquarters where these meetings just took place. cnn senior political reporter manu radio. >> you is inside the capitol. first to dana, what are you hearing? >> reporter: i'll tell what you we're seeing, donald trump and his motorcade just drove by here. he was all smiles through his window though. he was all smiles and waving as he left. so it doesn't sound like that would be the face and the reaction from somebody who didn't have a very good meeting. but my understanding is that, first of all, the initial meeting, there were two meetings inside here, first was just with donald trump, the rnc chair reince priebus, and also with the speaker, paul ryan. the three of them met for about an hour, just the three of them. no aides, no staff, and i can just tell you on this leading up to this meeting, i am told by a source familiar with the process that reince priebus spent a lot of time talking to donald trump. every day, sometimes multiple times a day. to be fair not just about this meeting, but about the fact that the republican national committee has to now join forces with donald trump and his campaign, but that reince priebus also kind of got back and tried to have conversations with his old friend, paul ryan. the two of them go back a long time in wisconsin republican politics. so my sense is that reince priebus was really the bridge, the go-between between these two men who really didn't know each other. then the next meeting, and i can just tell you and as i'm talking to you i'm going to pull this up on my phone here, some reporting that i just got about that meeting, and that is, this is acovereding to a source in the room, that paul ryan made clear to trump on what trump needs to understand. now, what is that, according to this source, paul ryan said to trump, there are a lot of people who voted against you and you need to unify. ryan also discussed what is near and dear to his heart, which is, of course, the budget and the idea of entitlements, meaning sos securi social security and medicare, ryan said you need to change social security or medicare or there can't be a balanced budget moving forward, and also i'm told there was a focus on judges, which is obviously historically a big issue for conservatives, the conservative base, and although the house doesn't have anything to do with confirming judges, the rank and file and the conservative base certainly is very interested in that. but the fact that, again, according to this source familiar with the meeting, the fact that rn seemed to hold firm, particularly on medicare and social security which are two areas where we just know from covering donald trump through the primary season, from our debates, he has been very cautious about wanting to change those programs, critical even of paul ryan's plans to do so, but apparently ryan made clear, look, we can't do anything about this budget unless those big high-cost entitlements are dealt with. >> the reality check here for everyone, dana, in covering paul ryan, you know it would be another bombshell if paul ryan then all of a sudden turned around his position on entitlements. that is one thing if you know anything about him that he will never change on. >> reporter: he won't. he won't. and i don't think there was any expectation that he would change. i think that the question is from his perspective whether or not he could, you know, have a discussion with donald trump and let him know that this is a really big, important difference between the two, and not just between him and donald trump, but paul ryan had been the one who came up with the budget that really changed both of those programs, particularly -- actually both of them, and it was something that most of the rank and file in the house, republicans only, signed onto, so that is a huge policy difference between the two bodies, if you will. >> absolutely. dana, great to see you. let's go from outside the capitol building into the capitol where we're waiting any minute we're going to be hearing from paul ryan himself. manu raju is just steps from the speaker's office actually at the will rogers. manu, what are you expecting? what were you picking up from your sources? what are we going to hear from paul ryan? >> i think we're going to hear a pretty positive message. that's what we're picking up from sources familiar with the meeting, that this was a good meeting. it's interesting dana's reporting shows the differences that were highlighted. internally, it will be interesting to see how donald trump responded to what paul ryan had to say, but i should note that going into the meeting paul ryan made it very clear that there are different bodies of thought within the republican party. he tried to make this sound like there's a big tent republican party, there are different wings. he represents a different wing than druonald trump and they're not going to agree on a lot of policy issues, entitlement reform, immigration clearly another. those are issues on paul ryan's mind, issues close to him, but from what i'm gathering, that this was a rather productive meeting, not just from reince priebus's tweet, from people in the rnc seemed to feel pretty positive about it. we're expecting a statement from paul ryan any minute now talking about what happened before he actually goes and addresses the media, so we should get more of his thinking, but clearly paul ryan also feeling pressure from a lot of heiss colleagis collea >> manu, manu, stand by. stand by, manu. in our e-mail box as you were talking, we got a joint statement from house speaker paul ryan and donald trump. that headline in itself is interesting. a joint speaker, it's long but i think i should read the whole thing. the united states cannot afford another four years of the obama white house which is what hillary clinton represents. that is why it's critical that republicans unite around our shared principles, advance a conservative agenda, and do all we can to win this fall. with that focus, we had a great conversation this morning. while we were honest about our few differences, we recognize there are also many important areas of common ground. we will be having additional discussions but remain confident there's a great opportunity to unify our party and win this fall, and we are totally committed to working together to achieve that goal. we are extremely proud of the fact that many of millions of new voters have entered the primary system, far more than ever before in the republican party's history. this was our first meeting, but it was a very positive step towards unification. i see a lot of words there like unity, common ground -- >> unification. >> joint statement. >> it was great. >> everything is okay. >> everything will be fine. exactly. let's tus b discuss this right now. let's discuss this with cnn political commentator doug heye, cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger, senior adviser barry bennett and cnn politics executive editor mark preston. so we have this statement, unity, unity, unity, it will be fine. what do you think, gloria? >> and we're going to unite around a conservative agenda which i think is important to paul ryan, and it also spoke about their few differences. not their many differences, but their few differences, and said they're going to meet again. so what we've been saying today is actually true, which is that this is the beginning of many meetings. i don't think -- you know, i think they mapaid homage to the millions of new voters that donald trump has brought into the system and to the primary system. i think that was very important to donald trump to say that and to acknowledge that, and they've got to be on the same page eventually because they need to mobilize their voters to go to the polls this fall, and you cannot do that if you're a hugely divided party along any line. >> doug heye, did paul ryan just sort of endorse donald trump? i'm sorry, this is a statement -- >> he put out a statement with donald trump. >> he put out a statement with donald trump talking about their unity and all their common ground. i guess what he did not do is say i'm definitely voting for him and endorsing him but he did everything short. >> you could say it's a kind of, sort of endorsement. we're getting to the endorsement. to gloria's point about them trying to get on the same page a joint statement is the same page. so this is i think the big significant thing. if they weren't on the same page, we'd hear a good productive dialogue from paul ryan, trump might have said it was a big beautiful meeting or whatever, but this gets them on that glide path to where paul ryan's always wanted to go, but it's also one cautionary note, it's not just about issues. it's about tone. it's one of the big things that paul ryan and his office have been telling people all week. it's something orrin hatch and other senators will bring up in the meeting in the senate today. >> barry, the few differences, but few can also mean great differences. i mean, if they're talking about the few differences are on entitlements, the few differences are on banning all muslims from entering the country, there might be few in number, but they could be huge between these two. do you not see that? >> no, i don't think it's a big deal at all. >> you don't? >> no. i know you're surprised. you can fix entitlements without hurting anyone and that's what donald trump wants to do. >> donald trump says he doesn't want to change social security. no change means no fix. it means it's perfect as itself. he says no fix, correct? >> we don't want to hurt anyone. that's the key. we don't want to hurt people. if you can come up with a change that doesn't hurt anyone, then, you know, no one is going to object, right? >> donald trump until yesterday i think would have objected. i feel like the donald trump in the primaries would have. the donald trump who said i won't change social security. >> it's my absolute intention to leave social security the way it is, not increase the age, leave it as is. >> if you can fix it and not hurt those people and those issues, then let's do it, and we can. >> then you would have won the pulitzer because why wouldn't that have been done? >> mark, you're itching to say something. >> can i take like seven different threads and tie this together here? >> please. >> let's see this. >> it's like a promise ring. there was a promise ring we saw today. they're dating. they haven't quite got engaged. they're going to eventually get married. that's what we saw today. that's what happened in the last hour. it's a promise ring. promise to continue talking, probably get engaged,en and the we'll get married. berman is dying over there. >> it's my favorite thing you've ever said in my life. and i've known you for a while. this is awesome. number two, barry, with all due respect, we all know donald trump is going to say what he needs to say. he says he's not a politician but he is a politician of all politician. he's willing to adapt, to change his -- where he is on the issues, and we're going to see that on social security. there's no question we will, right, because the way it's laid out right now it's not going to work. i think barry is right when he says they don't want to hurt anybody, but there's a certain way you got to get there. and i will say this for donald trump, he did go to washington. he went on their turf. he went to their buildings. he did go down there with an olive branch. that takes a lot i think for donald trump to do as opposed to making them come to new york and to sit down with him. >> let me ask barry this because if donald trump compromises too much with the establishment republicans on capitol hill, whom his supporters despise -- >> right. >> -- doesn't that hurt his brand? >> well, he's not going to compromise, right? but i mean he only cares about hurting people. we can't hurt people through entitlement reform. if we can find a way to do it that doesn't hurt anyone, then we should do it. >> what about paul ryan's brand? you're asking about donald trump's brand. does this hurt paul ryan's brand, which is, look, it's been pretty squeaky clean for a long time now in many conservative circles. he's navigated a lot of issues. >> remember, he didn't want to be speaker but they loved him so much he had to be speaker. >> now, he didn't want to support donald trump, he's not ready to endorse, there are things that don't represent conservative principles like the muslim ban but now there are -- >> it is shark infested and there's blood in the water and that's a can stand we've seen over the past couple years. i think this is a very good step for paul ryan but also speaks to why he says that this is the beginning of the process. one of the concerns that a lot of republicans have is that they may get an agreement on pick your issue with trump, but then in an interview the next day he may come to a different position or a different position the day after. and it's that lack of consistency that i think on issues give a lot of republicans pause. >> here is one of the questions that we were actually batting around this morning. paul ryan billed this as a getting to know you session, but what does that mean getting to know you? truly? >> it's like an arranged marriage. there's some reality show -- >> an arranged marriage. >> trying to bring everyone together. >> you are unity. >> the republican party is all about family and what have you. >> is it like a dating game? >> it is what it is. >> i have a question for doug. doug, i'm curious about this statement. again, talking about a joint statement from paul ryan and donald j. trump. if you have worked in congress and for members, when was this statement written, who wrote it, when would it have been signed off upon? i could almost imagine this being written before the meeting in some ways. this was an inevitability but how do you think it got from beginning to end. >> you have three or four statements in the can ready to go based on how things in the meeting go. so i think brenden buck who we all know -- >> is that why he's not returning my e-mails? >> that may be one of the reasons. there may be several. there were certainly several statements and then the question is which one do we go with? and that's the difficult thing if you're the press staffer outside of the room. you have to be told which statement to go to and whether or not you have to change the statement that's agreed to at the last second. >> and barry, you work for donald j trump, would he have had to sign off on the language of the specific statement. >> absolutely. in negotiating these things which i spent a lifetime doing, was hard. the fact it was done so quickly suggests that reince probably played a pretty good role in this. >> that's where all the conversations were in the last few days. >> there's something in here for everyone. trump brought in all these voters. we have few differences -- >> are you surprised this statement came out? >> of course not. >> we knew they weren't going to say, look, mom and dad, we aren't getting married. >> i need one more. >> you knew they were going to come out and as far as brands go, you talk about paul ryan -- >> what is the reality though? what is the reality? >> it's the new normal which by the way is the new phrase in washington right now. the new normal is donald trump, is the republican nominee. but to brand donald trump right now is still anti-washington, anti-establishment. there is the olive branch. he did go down on their turf. paul ryan to his point, too, has gone out there and he hasn't capitulated or caved. >> the reality is they all need each other. >> do they really? in the long-term yes. >> they do to a great degree. they want to motivate their voters. paul ryan wants to make sure he continues to have a republican house. the senators want to make sure they have a republican senate. donald trump is going to be at the top of the ticket and it gets a lot more difficult to bring out your base voters if donald trump is in a fight with the republican party. it doesn't help their troops one wit. so they have to find a way to make some kind of peace with donald trump. by the way, donald trump does too. this is probably like casserole for donald trump. he doesn't need this. but, but, you know, he was blindsided he felt by ryan's statement -- >> legitimately. >> right? and he didn't want to get out there and continue to have a fight with paul ryan. i don't think that does him any good, does it, barry? >> wait a second, barry, his son just last night, yes, we'd love to have paul ryan. we don't need him. we don't need his endorsement. i at first when this all started going down i was like, of course, donald trump needs paul ryan. he needs the republican house speaker in line with him. that's long term. short term though, they say you don't need him? >> we want him. we want him. that's the key. we want him. can we win the presidency without paul ryan? of course we could. but that doesn't mean that's the path we want to go. but look at what he does for the house and senate. look at pennsylvania. look at ohio. i got a bit of data yesterday it was astounding. in youngstown, ohio, mahoning county, before the primary there were 16,000 registered republicans. after the primary, 38,000 registered republicans. that gets rob portman re-elected. the same thing is happening in pittsburgh and that's what gets to toomey re-elected. it's going to help those guy approximates. >> there's the other issue which is cash and i want to get to that in a second. we are waiting to hear from paul ryan. paul ryan set to speak at the capitol. we just got this joint statement with donald trump. we can expect they'll say more along those lines, a lot of unity, a lot of common ground. >> he often takes questions at these press conservativeses afe that's where the interesting parts begin. >> we'll be right back. speaker ryan's first comments after his high stakes meeting with drurp. >> there is a lot to discuss. i want to bring in jim geraghty, mary katherine ham, jackie kucini kucinich, and kevin sherton. jim, i want to start with you. you work for the national review which made it its reason deet tray. now that you hear paul ryan, the highest elected republican official in the land talk about unity and common ground and how great this meeting was, is this what you wanted to see from paul ryan? >> they're all going to sell out eventually. you know, when the rick perrys and bobby gjindals of the world who said you can't trust donald trump with nuclear weapons, he's a mad man who needs to be stopped -- oh, never mind, he's better than hillary clinton. ultimately every republican will fall in line. there will be a few exceptions. we've had the biggest summit since malta. if they didn't go too far on the first day, eventually there will be more dates down the road. >> the theme continues, jim. well done. >> thank you. ever see an old movie where two guys who hate each other are handcuffed together and they have to run away from the cops or something like that, that's ryan and trump right now. they at least recognize neither one of them is going to get what they want unless the other does well. >> mary katherine, get in on this. jim says everyone eventually will sell out. they'll all kind of turn around on positions where they said he's horrible, he's horrible, forget about it. one of those issues could be on releasing his taxes. this was a big issue amongst his rivals during the primary. ganging up on him saying release your taxes, release your taxes. what are they going to say now? >> that lasted 1 1/2 news cycles and then we moved on to whatever thing trump had said the next day. mitt romney is a guy bringing it up because he's not running for anything. jim is right that many of these guys will line up behind trump. here is the other thing, paul ryan cracks me up because he's the guy in clarks who is like i'm not even supposed to be here today. he didn't want this job. he didn't want to be the highest elected republican in the country, and then he gets this conundrum dropped in his lap, guess who we nominated? a very prominent democratic donor who does not get down with entitlement reform, have fun. like this is the thing that he's dealing with. it's really a remarkable turn of events. >> you know, it's very interesting to see as you say, paul ryan and the situation he is and jim gareraghty saying hel sell out. one guy who hasn't yet is mitt romney, the guy who picked paul ryan to be his running mate. he is just still going nuts on donald trump right now. he was pushing on the tax returns. he put out a statement yesterday on the tax returns on facebook saying there's only one logical explanation for why he didn't do it, blah, blah, blah. we can only assume it's a bombshell of unusual size. first of all, jackie, is that a princess bride reference? >> kind of amazing. >> right? >> i always associate "princess bride" is ted cruz now so it's kind of confusing. you could not pick two more opposite people than mitt romney and donald trump in so many ways. you'll remember mitt romney was hounded for his taxes and he eventually released them. this is something he has to deal with in his race and he's seeing donald trump get away with i'm being audited, what do you expect me to do? but i think the biggest challenge for the republicans who do decide to endorse donald trump is keeping up with his positions. we saw reports coming from this meeting that the muslim ban that he talked about was just a suggestion. it's just hard to keep track of where he is day to day and they're going to have to defend, whether they like it or not, they're going to have to defend what their standard bearer says once they endorse him. >> by the way, sorry, jackie, i didn't mean to interrepresent you. i think that's what's going on here, paul ryan is attempting to negotiate art of the deal style. i'm not giving you my endorsement you're going to have to work out but the problem as jackie points out is that his positions on issues change from day to day depending how donald trump feels, so i don't think his word is good if he says he's going to give you something. >> right. >> is kevin sherton with us? i don't see him in our shot mix. kevin sherton, in the flesh. kevin, mitt romney is your former boss. you worked for him. what do you think he's trying to do here? >> well, i can't speak for what mitt romney wants to do. i think it's different for people who are out of office now that aren't seeking another office necessarily to speak their mind and, you know, he's a party elder at this point. he can say what he wants. i think paul ryan is trying to provide the space for his members who are kind of, you know, in three different places on whether or not they can actually get behind trump, whether or not they can actually support him. and god forbid, defend his daily statements. i think this is why everybody is kind of just pausing, they're taking a minute, they're trying to provide the space to be able to go forward with their own campaigns and let donald trump go forward with his and try not to -- >> kevin, stand by for one minute. kevin, stand by. we want to get straight to dana bash outside the republican national committee headquarters. i think dana has a very, very big guest right now. dana? >> reporter: that's right. we're actually inside the republican national committee headquarters with the rnc chair reince priebus. what's the headline? >> i think the headline is positive first step toward unifying our party. it was a great meeting, and that's the only way it can be described. >> reporter: that doesn't tell us a lot. >> it doesn't but that's because it was a private meeting in my office and i'm not going to talk about the specifics other than to say things were discussed that were specific. it was a cooperative meeting. it was mutually i think cooperative and positive and that's the only way you can describe it. >> reporter: my understanding is you have spent a lot of time over the past week on the phone with donald trump, talking to him almost every day, sometimes multiple times a day. you talked a lot to your old friend paul ryan, you guys have known each other since way back from wisconsin republican politics. to be the bridge builder here. is that how you feel? >> i think it's an important role for the party. unifying the party should be no surprise to anyone that that's one of the jobs of being the chairman of the republican party. it's important to be unified. >> reporter: but it's not usually this hard. >> this was not a usual election. i mean, it was a very contentious, tough primary, and obviously no one can deny that. something that a lot of us haven't been through. >> reporter: do you feel like a couple's therapist? >> you know, you wouldn't say that if you were in the room. it was very -- it was great, and i think it had very good chemistry twren the tbetween th them. >> reporter: i can't imagine two more different kinds of people than donald trump and paul ryan. they had good chemistry? >> it was positive, it was give and take, and it was also something that i think if anyone was a fly on the wall would agree with everything that i'm saying. >> reporter: but you are the fly on the wall so what else can you tell us? >> i can't say a whole lot else. i have to honor confidentiality. i'm not going to say a peep about any specifics -- >> reporter: did they discuss tone and toner, the things that ryan has said publicly he's not thrilled with, the policy differences, both? >> i hate to spoil the fun but i'm not going to get into the details other than to say that it was a meeting that i think went as well as i would have hoped. >> reporter: as i toss it back, you expect an endorsement soon from paul ryan now? >> look, like i said, it was a great first step toward unifying the party, and i think if you read both of the statements that came out of speaker's office and donald trump's campaign, they echo the same feeling. >> reporter: mr. chairman, thank you very much for taking the time. >> that was great. dana bash labeled reince priebus, he's not only chairman of the rnc, also a fly on the wall. dana, thank you. let's discuss this and the very latest on what is going on with everyone here. doug, when reince priebus says there were things discussed that were specific, what do you think paul ryan specifically wanted to discuss and then obviously what did trump want to discuss? >> i would say two things. one, issues like entitlement reform, social security to be really specific about it. two, the broader attitudinal things we've seen from trump and his campaign that cause real concern for a lot of republicans. >> if eric cantor was -- when you worked for him, if eric cantor was sitting in on this meeting and he's sitting across the table, is eric cantor -- is this leader of the republican party, are you laying out where we stand or is it just a discussion? like how do you think this played out? >> it's both. paul ryan obviously has been putting out a positive agenda that he wants to campaign on for house republicans because his job, we talk about the troops in the field for as republican voters, he's also got house of representatives members he's concerned about with their re-elections. a lot of republicans in the house and senate are being attacked for saying they will support the nominee. kelly ayotte and john mccain being two. >> you say they talked about specifics. i was listening to the interviews, if you did a word cloud, unify, great, positive, great, chemistry. it is very important it seems to ranz prie reince priebus to give the impression it was a great, positive meeting. >> he's trying to unify his party. he's trying to raise money. he's trying to win the election, and if you have a speaker of the house who is at war with the nominee, it's not good for people running down ticket, first of all. you can't -- you can't be successful in keeping the house and keeping the senate if you've got a divided party at the top. so i think here it was mutually cooperative because there is mutual self interest here, and, you know, politicians are motivated to have a self interest. let's be honest. donald trump didn't want to be at this meeting except he felt he got blindsided by the house speaker, so he needed to be there because it is in his self interest to have reince priebus make peace and help -- >> and it needs to be positive though. >> it needs to be and they have to find some kind of mutual ground because, as doug points out, you know, ryan has really worked hard on this agenda for house republicans, and he wants donald trump to be aware of just what they are running on because they have committed on a lot of this stuff and they can't have their candidate disagreeing with them. entitlements is the key area. >> if paul ryan is going in with spes that were discussed, and that's like the one specific we got from reince there is that they did touch on specifics, what -- >> specifically. >> specifically. >> mutually. >> paul ryan is going to the podium right now. >> -- from drug overdoses than car accidents. let me say this again, we have more of our fellow citizens dying from drug overdoses than they die of car accidents. today the house continues to work on legislation to address the heroin and opioid epidemic across this country. and for those of you who were at our press conference yesterday, you heard from susan brooks and bob dole, authors of two of these initiatives. all told by the end of this week we are acting on 18 bills to deal with this. i will actually be signing one of them today. it is s-32, the transnational drug trafficking act. this allows prosecutors to go after drug traffickers in foreign countries if we believe their drugs will make it to our shores. that is going to the president's desk today. but one reason we call this an epidemic is because it cuts across all demographics. it affects families everywhere in america. take youth athletes. youth athletes get injured, and then they're prescribed some medication. before they know it, they are on the path to dependency and addiction. yesterday we passed a bill introduced by pat meehan of pennsylvania to help families and students deal with these dangers. you can also be born with a dependency. this is the saddest story of them all. that actually happens every 25 minutes in this country. these babies struggle to eat or even breathe. yesterday we passed a bill introduced by evan jenkins of west virginia to help protect infants and to make sure that they get a healthy start. the next step here is that we will take all of these bills we are passing out of the house and go to a conversation committee with the senate. then we intend to send the bill to the president's desk, and i hope that each and every one of you will be back here when we sign this bill. this opioid epidemic is something we have to get on top of. i'm very proud of the republicans and democrats that have come together to address this situation because this really is about people's lice. it is about whole communities that are being torn apart, and i believe we can win this fight and we must. questions? chad? >> thank you. i've been reading the joint statement that you and mr. trump put out a few minutes ago. i know this is a first meeting but all i can divine out of that statement is you just want to beat hillary clinton. >> that is true, we do want to beat hillary clinton. >> that can't be the only point of unity here. you're having trouble passing a budget here in the house. what makes you think you can get on board with some of the things that donald trump is talking about when it comes to -- >> let me say this, i think we had a very encouraging meeting. look, it's no secret that donald trump and i have had our differences. we talked about those differences today. that's common knowledge. the question is what is it that we need to do to unify the republican party and all strains of conservative wings in the party. we had a very good and endourgeing, productive conversation on how to do that. it was important we discussed our differences that we have but it was also important that we discussed the core principles that tie us all together. principles like the constitution, the separation of powers, the fact that we have an executive that is going way beyond the boundaries of the constitution and how it's important to us that we restore article 1 of the constitution. it's the principle of self government. we talked about life and how strongly we feel about this core principle. we talked about the supreme court and things like this. i was very encouraged with what i heard from donald trump today. i do believe that we are now planting the seeds to get ourselves unified, to bridge the gaps and differences, and so from here we're going to go deeper into the policy areas to see where that common ground is and how we can make sure that we are operating off the same core principles and so, yes, this is our first meeting. i was very encouraged with this meeting but this is a process. it takes a little time. you don't put it together in 45 minutes. so that is why we had, like i said, a very good start to a process on how we unify. >> you don't think that it's an issue -- >> jonathan. >> mr. speaker, i read that statement as well. i'm still a little confused. are you endorsing donald trump? if you're not what is holding you back and do you really have a choice? >> the process of unifying the republican party, which just finished a primary about a week ago, perhaps one of the most divisive primaries in memory, takes some time. look, there are people who were for donald trump, who were for ted cruz, for john kasich, who were for marco rubio and everybody else, and it's very important that we don't fake unifying, we don't pretend unification. that we truly and actually unify so we are full strength in the fall. i don't want us to have a fake unification process here. i want to make sure that we really, truly nunderstand each other and we're committed to the conservative problems that make the republican, that built this country, and, again, i'm very encouraged. i heard a lot of good things from our presumptive nominee and we exchanged differences of opinion on a number of things everybody knows we have. there are policy disputes we will have. there's no two ways about it, plenty of republicans disagree with one another on policy disputes, but on core principles, those are the kinds of things we discussed, and, again, i'm encouraged. craig? >> do you expect to endorse him? >> i think this is going in a positive direction and i think this is a first very encouraging meeting, but again in 45 minutes you don't litigate all of the processes and all the issues and the principles that we are talking about. i didn't catch that. >> can you offer any assurances that he would change or moderate? >> look, i think it's important that the kind of conversation we had is between the two of us and no offense, but i don't want to litigate our conversation through the media because i think when you're beginning to get to know someone, you have a good conversation of trust between each other. so i want to keep the things we discussed between the two of us because they're very important and they were personal in some senses and that means we talked about what it takes to unify, where our differences were, and hour we can bring these gaps going forward so that we're strong as a party going into the fall. wong. >> mr. trump reiterate a desire to see you as the chairman at the convention in cleveland and is that a role you still want? >> he did. i am the speaker of the house. i am happy to serve in this capacity at the chair of our convention if our presumptive nominee wants me to do so. it's the delegates who technically headache that decision but i would honor the decision of our presumptive nominee. >> to what extent based on his past statements do you think he's committed to reduce as you are the scope and size of -- [ inaudible ] and what did you think of his personality? >> i thought he had a very good personality. i met him for like 30 seconds in 2012. so we really don't know each other, and we started to get to know each other. so i actually had a very pleasant exchange with him. that's point number one. point number two, look, there are things we really believe in as conservatives. we believe in limited government. we believe in the constitution. we believe in the proper role of the differences in the operation of powers. we believe in things like life. not everyone is pro-choice in our party and accept all comers but we're a majority pro-life party and these are things that are important to us, and so we just had a good exchange of views. i think he's over having the same conversation with the senate right now. our leaders met with him and everybody expressed opinions and exchanged ideas and so the point of this is i think we're off to an encouraged start. it is important that we get ourselves to full strength so we can win in the fall because the stakes could not be higher but it takes more than 45 minutes, mark. >> specifically on reducing the size of government, you're someone -- >> we discussed those issues at great detail. >> mr. speaker, you have defined modern conservatism along the lines of entitlement reform, pro-trade, and immigration, both on the muslim ban and dealing with the issue comprehensively. when you say few problems in this joint statement, aren't you papering over those rather sizable differences in not only how conservatism is defined broadly but how you have tried to define it for this house conference? >> so i represent a wing of the conservative party you could say. he brings -- he's bringing a whole new wing to it. he's bringing new voters we haven't had for decades. that's a positive thing. the point though is can we agree on the common core principles that unite all of us? we will have policy disputes. there's no two ways about that. all republicans do. mitt romney and i didn't agree on everything in 2012, so we will have policy disputes. i'm not interested in litigating the past. i am interested in going forward and seeing where that common ground exists to make sure that we can have a unified republican party that, yes, there will be different republicans that have different views on various policy ideas. the question is can we unify on common core principles that make our party -- and by the way the principles that built this country and i'm very encouraged that the answer to that question is yes. one more over here. >> hi, speaker ryan. >> sorry, the lady first. >> you just mentioned the millions of new voters and he's bringing in new people. i was wondering how you actually interpret his success. is it going to mean the real -- fundamental realignment of the party because of the new voters he's bringing in. just how do you interpret his success? >> it's really unparalleled i think. he has gotten more votes than any republican primary nominee in the history of our country, and this isn't even over yet. he hasn't even gone to like california yet. so it's really a remarkable achievement. so the question is, and this is what we think we can be a party to helping, how do we unify it all. so this is really a big and growing movement. how do we keep adding and adding and adding voters while not subtracting any voters, and to me that means a positive vision based on core principles, taking those principles, applying them to the problems facing our country today and offering people positive solutions and speaking to people where they are in life, addressing their anxieties and show that we have a better plan. look, here is what we agree on. a hillary clinton presidency would be a disaster for this country. it's effectively a third obama term, and the other thing we all know is most americans do not like where this country is headed. seven out of ten americans think america is on the wrong track. we agree with that. so the question is can we unify around our common principles to offer the country a compelling and clear choice and agenda going forward so that the men and women of this nation get a real and honest choice about how to fix this country and get us on a better track? and i am very encouraged that we can put that together. i'll go one more in the back. you got here late. >> i heard your statement last week on cnn. that donald trump was not ready to support your agenda. did he change his mind today? did he say he's supportive of that? >> we talked about all of these issues and our policy teams are meeting to just walk through details. so, again, this is a process. we just began the process. i'm very encouraged at the first meeting of this process and going forward we're going to go a little deeper into the policy weeds to make sure that we have a better understanding of one another. all right. thank you very much, everybody. appreciate it. >> all right. you have seen the speaker of the house, paul ryan, describing what took place in a series of two meetings he just had with the presumptive republican nominee, donald trump. he called the meetings very encouraging. he said they talked about the core principles they share and importantly, he said he liked donald trump. he said he had a good personality. he's a warm and genuine person. >> they talked about their differences, they talked about, again, where they think they could maybe work on finding common ground, planting the seeds i believe he put it on how to bridge the gaps and the differences between the two. gloria borger is still here, doug heye, mark preston, and barry bennett with the donald trump campaign. it's great to have you sticking here with us. mark, what is your takeaway from what you heard from paul ryan. fascinating. >> let's just tie it back to the marriage thing. >> please. >> basically -- why don't we? this is an exciting time in the relationship. they're getting to know each other, they're going to go on another date and what have you, but the bottom line is this is a shotgun wedding. they didn't realize this was going to happen and there's going to be no honeymoon period. there isn't enough time for there to be a honeymoon period. they're just going to get through this, quite frankly, and as gloria has said and doug has said and barry has said as well, house republicans and senate republicans need donald trump just as much as donald trump needs them. if they leave donald trump alone at the top of the ticket to get destroyed in key states, then that's really going to hurt the down ballot candidates. >> gloria, who moved more here? we haven't heard from donald trump yet so we don't know what kind of language he's going to use, but paul ryan seemed to have moved a lot, frankly. >> what i heard from paul ryan was trying to figure out a way to get to yes, okay? and what he was talking about was core principles. so he went very broad. >> the constitution. >> as in the constitution, as kate says, separation of powers, and pro-life. it's hard to get more broad than that kind of if you're a republican. and if you're conservatives, those are things that if you're pro-life, some aren't, but if you're a conservative, the constitution and separation of powers is pretty easy to say yes to. >> if you're liberal, the constitution is easy to say yes to also. >> and separation of powers because they all object to barack obama's executive actions. so he said the staffs are going to get more into the policy and the weeds, but this was a meeting, i think, for them to find out where they can agree coming out of this meeting, and so they came out with this broad sort of set of core principles. so he could say, well, i like donald trump, and by the way, he and i agree on the broadest possible outline of what the republican party stands for. >> on who moved more and on the issue of talking about their differences, talking about where they're similar, i have got to ask you because has donald trump moved on the muslim ban, barry? now -- he said last night the muslim ban was a suggestion. was that -- to do that, was he doing that ahead of the meeting for a reason? >> no, no, no. what he said is until we can figure out the good guys from the bad guys, we should stop allowing people to come into our country. >> that is originally what he said. last night he said it was a suggestion. >> last night they were talking to him about exceptions. what about the london mayor, what about the amir, what about all these folks? of course you have to make exceptions for those people, but what we need to do is fix our immigration system. not try to ban people from the country. what he's trying to say is until we have an immigration system that works, we're putting ourselves at risk foolishly. >> we're joined by mary katharine ham. you listened to this whole event we just listened to as well. paul ryan was asked specifically does this mean you are now endorsing donald trump? are you supporting donald trump? he did not answer that question. he chose to dodge and weave around that question, but does that even matter? now that he's come as far as he has right now and talked about the fact that he finds donald trump a warm and genuine person, he talked about their encouraging meeting and how they both believe in core principles, is an endorsement even significant at this point? >> here is my thought on this. he's doing this for two reasons. he's slow walking this because it is a weird unification process. on both sides of the party the outsider candidates just joined the party. we shouldn't be that surprised that this isn't a normal unification process on either side. so there is a reason for sort of making this a process if he wants to actually come to some agreement. i have disagreements about how much agreement you can come to with a guy who i don't think has those core beliefs and whose feelings change all the time as to what he believes. but as to john's metaphor, paul ryan two times now has gotten two days of coverage of the positive agenda that the republican house wants to put forward using the enticement of donald trump and the conversation they're having. i think we'll see some engagement photo shoots, a lot of facebook action about these two coming together and doing it in a slow way so that he can continue to get that coverage. >> doug, on this endorsement, does it matter at this point or not, and he talked about, you know, he's getting closer, he's kind of laying the groundwork. you can't fake unification is how paul ryan put it. is paul ryan in a stronger position if he gets on board now or if is he in a stronger position if he gets on board later? because whoever or later? bhie are you holding out is a legitimate question. >> i think paul ryan feels he is in a stronger position by having this process play out longer. one thing i think he did that was pretty interesting is he proactively removed a big piece of leverage that donald trump had saying if donald trump doesn't want me to be chairman of the convention he can do that. one challenge is not just about an endorsement. a lot of people throughout the country elected republican senators and members of congress will say very milk toast fashion i will support the nominee. that is not an enthusiastic endorsement. there is not a lot of enthusiam from the broader coalition. >> we heard from paul ryan talk about the fact that they share core principles. mary katherine saying she is not so sure about that. bill crystal tweeted this saying this is one of the most depressing press conferences i have ever seen. pretty interesting to hear. >> bill crystal is still very committed to finding a third way and continuing to oppose donald trump. i think any speaker of the house that would be in this position will be in a really tough position because he has members for, against and thinking about how they can come on board with this. we don't know how that looks. if we can get on board and build a unity ticket around some shared principles as broad as you can make them which you were saying you have to kind of widen the lens to get to the very most basic things about our party, then we are going to try to do that. if donald trump is out and starts saying things that we can't support then maybe that falls apart at some point during this summer or fall. at this point this is what they should be doing. >> on the -- everyone had said in one way or another a positive first step. how many steps are there in this process? do you have any idea or any guess? >> it's a great question because this is ort of beta. when was the last time you had a speaker of the house have to say i'm really trying to support my party's nominee for president? this hasn't happened since i have been around covering this stuff. it is hard to say. i don't know if it is a grief step thing or it is hard to say. it is interesting. he said this is paul ryan's every day until november. patrick healy of the "new york times" joins us now. paul ryan talked about unity and core principles and this being a first step. this isn't going to go away for paul ryan and in some ways is this the only answer you expect he will give between now and november? >> i think paul ryan wants a process. it's very clear what he is looking for ultimately and it's a normalization of donald trump. what happened last fall with all the republican candidates was that they were asked about supporting the eventual nominee. they went on the record about saying they were going to do that. and then they went through months and months where they were confronted with donald trump shooting at the hip, saying things that they found offensive and they were just cringing over it. paul ryan doesn't want to get himself into a situation over the next month and a half where he is going to have to be answering every time donald trump says something that is strange or controversial. he wants this process to sort of give himself time to come around it, i think, and also see if trump is capable of changing. >> i want to get to jim acosta in just one second outside the next meeting that donald trump is in with senate leaders. as patrick was saying what folks say about donald trump is he is shooting from the hip, there is no message control. do you believe that donald trump will stay on message and on script and on the same page with paul ryan going forward? do you believe that he can? >> he will stay on his message. they have to find areas where paul ryan can talk about his issues that is helpful for paul ryan and they have to find common ground. >> what i'm hearing you say is donald trump will stay the course and paul ryan has to find a way to work with that. >> paul ryan has a couple hundred constituents in the house. donald trump has over 10 million, and 13 million votes in the primary. he has to stick to his message for those people. >> you have to go. >> this is the most uncomfortable situation i can imagine for a house speaker. you can understand in a way why john boehner left. this is tough for him. he has to thread this needle. he has made it public that he has a lot of differences with this candidate. he has to save his house republicans and figure out a way to deal with donald trump with whom he disagrees with just about everything. he is talking. he has to thread this needle and go big to do it. the way he is doing it is the constitution. >> at some point next to your name. >> paul ryan is not the only guy holding meetings with donald trump today. donald trump also meeting with senate leaders. want to go to jim acosta who i believe is outside where those meetings are taking place. what do we know? >> reporter: just outside the national republican senatorial committee offices on the other side of capitol hill this is a much more civilized side of capitol hill right now. i guess the senate feels like that is the case, not as crowded, not as many members of the media and not as many protesters. donald trump does not have as big of a task on the senate side of the aisle. you know that mitch mcconnell has already basically endorsed donald trump. he is not trying to get to a place where paul ryan is right now which is a very difficult task. i talked to a top house republican aid who said house members are all over the place. on the senate side there is a challenge for donald trump and that is the down ballot challenge. you have endangered members of the senate on the republican side like pat toomey who are a little concerned about wrapping their arms around donald trump at the convention in july. that is why you are hearing about senators who may not be showing up at the convention because they have campaigning to do for their seat coming up this fall. as paul ryan mentioned during the press conference that was just short of an endorsement. inside the trump campaign i will tell you they did not have expectation of an endorsement from paul ryan today talking to top trump campaign officials. they feel like this is the opening conversation thrks beginning of the process of healing this republican party. keep in mind as you know donald trump won this nomination basically where through political combat. there are republicans on capitol hill who can hear the names little marco, low energy jeb ringing in their ears. when i asked house aid what would paul ryan's nickname be. it is principle paul. they are feeling good about how paul ryan is dealing with donald trump right now. both men seem to have leverage. but from the sound of what paul ryan was saying during that press conference and what the trump campaign is saying keeping the rhetoric down it sounds like they may be able to get there eventually. >> outside this meeting where donald trump is meeting with senate leaders. we are expecting to hear from some of those senators. we could hear from donald trump at 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about how she is portrayed in the story. rowanne brewer lane is a former girlfriend of donald trump and a model. she joins us live. thanks so much for being with us. appreciate you joining us. >> i appreciate being heard. thank you. >> so the story says that you first met donald trump in 1990 at a party in mar-a-lago in florida, and the article goes on to say that donald trump had barely metroanne brewer lane when he asked her to change out of her clothes. that's the lead of the whole piece. what don't you like about this story? >> i don't like anything about the story. i'm very upset with "the new york times'" article because it was completely misleading. they misled me. they took parts of what i said in at least a two-hour interview that they did exclusively with me, and spun it and put a negative connotation on what i was saying. i'm very displeased with the way it came out. they promised me time and time over again that the piece would not be a hit piece, that it was just merely each person's explanation of how they haddonai thought of him, and i made it very clear many times that i had a very pleasant relationship with donald and that i never felt like i was being, you know, depicted as a piece of meat or anything like that. i was never offended by anything that he had said. he was never anything more than a gentleman, a very, very good guy. we had good times together. we had -- you know, he was very genuine. he was very gentlemanly, and if you were to read that article, you would think that i felt otherwise and i don't think it's fair to me, and i don't think it's fair to him honestly. >> you say misleading, and they spun your words in a negative way. did they get anything wrong or do you just not like the way it was depicted? >> well, they only took very small bits of my sentences and put them in a way -- like, for instance, when i said that donald said, now that's a stunning trump girl. my next sentence was, i was very flattered by that comment, and that's not what it says in the article. >> what about the entire lead of the piece where it says you had barely met when he asked you to change out of your clothes? the article quotes you, actually says he took me into a room, opened drawers, and asked me to put on a swimsuit. that is a direct quote, is it not? >> no, it is not. what i said was what i would say to anybody when they ask me how i met donald trump would be at a pool party at mar-a-lago. you're going to get the story that i went to a pool party there with my agency and donald and i struck up a conversation. it was a very good conversation. we were walking around talking. he started showing me different parts of the mar-a-lago from the entrance. we started discussing architecture. we walked further inside and i would ask questions, he would answer. he would show me things. we were just having a really great conversation, and we got to a point of the mansion where he had asked me if i brought a swimsuit because we were about to go back and join everybody outside. there were models swimming. i had a photo shoot that day and one the following day, so i didn't bring a swimsuit to go swimming at the party. he asked me if i had one and i said i did not, that i really hadn't intended on swimming, and he said, well, i have some and that's when he opened the drawer and pulled some out and said do you want to put one on? i said sure. i went into the bathroom and changed into one and came out, and we joined everyone at the party and when we went out there, he said, wow, that's a stunning trump girl, and i was flattered by that. and one thing i don't like too is, you know, some of the anchors are starting to use the language of "the times," saying paraded her out there and that's ugly, that's negative to me. he didn't parade me anywhere. >> another part in the piece, it cites an encounter you had with trump and when he asked you to rate the attractiveness of both marla maples and ivana trump on a scale of one to ten, this is part of your interview, and clearly they see it as an oddity that he would ask you to do that. what do you remember of that? >> i remember these happening in passing. they were in general conversation where we were just chitchatting, getting to know each other better. the reason that i brought that up is because, and i said this to "the times," i thought that it articulated some of his boyish charm asking, you know, well, what did you think -- i didn't know marla, so i didn't have an opinion. and i said that ivana was your wife so absolutely i think she was a ten. i think you have great taste, and i just thought it was a boyish charm of his that i thought it was kind of attractive because you see this stellar businessman. i expected a little bit more of a harsh attitude from him, and he was very genuine. >> so the article, you say you feel it depicts you as a piece of meat. you can read the article and there is a suggestion in the article that somehow donald trump objectifies women. you do not think that is the case. you do not think there is anything questionable about the way donald trump treats women? >> i have never seen him treat women anything other than respectfully. i have never seen him do or say anything that has offended a woman or myself, so i have to say, no, i have never seen him -- no, i have not witnessed that myself. i have never had that experience with donald. >> now, rowanne, this, of course, happened in the '90s. that's where your stories are coming from. wh when was the last time you spoke with donald trump or saw donald trump? >> i spoke with him the last time was probably 1991. >> that far back ago. that's a long time. >> yeah, i haven't spoken to him in a long time. if i know donald trump, i'll probably hear from his camp at some point, you know, just to say thank you for the honesty. i honestly think that the way that the article was depicted and as many times as they promised me they weren't going to do exactly what they did they probably owe me an apology and probably him. >> and you haven't in the course of all this happening, you haven't spoken with anyone from donald trump's campaign at all? >> no, no, not yet. >> just to be clear you are supporting donald trump? you're going to vote for him in november? >> i am supporting donald trump. i am. i think that he has done very well, and i think that he will be good for women. i think he'll be good for middle class. i think that he will support -- surround himself with people that he always has. he's been a brilliant businessman, he's been a good leader. he has a beautiful family, intelligent family. he's got -- let's face it, he's got a lot going for him. yes, i support him, i do. >> rowanne, thanks so much for coming on and sharing your story with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much for letting me. >> of course. let's bring in the two "new york times" reporters who did this investigation, wrote this special report, michael and megan. thank you so much for being here. you heard this entire interview. michael, i saw you taking notes. tell us what -- just give you an opportunity to respond to what you heard there from rowanne. >> i want to first thank rowanne brewer lane. she was exceedingly generous to "the times." i spoke to her on two different occasions. megan and i are grateful to the dozens of women who spoke to us. it took a lot of courage. a number of women were scared. they were intimidated. we're in the middle of a campaign. i think we should talk for a minute about the scene at mar-a-lago that rowanne referred to and that's at the beginning of the story because sonone of e facts are in dispute. she didn't have a bathing suit. he asked her to put on a bathing suit. she put it on, he expressed admiration for her appearance and brought her back out to a predominantly male group out by the pool and said she was a stunning looking trump woman. i think that story speaks for itself. we thought it was a powerful anecdote. that's why we put it in the story. and there are some key context. ms. brewer lane went on to date donald trump for several months which is something we explained in the story, but the big picture here is that we're talking about a pattern of behavior, the way donald trump interacts privately with women. the world knows how donald trump talks about a woman from a stage or a podium or twitter or the howard stern show. our goal was to pull back and say, how does he interact in the office with someone who he's dating or trying to date? and that was the purpose of our story and that is why megan and i spoke to dozens of women who walked us through those interactions and frequently that was a power dynamic at play here. which we think is worth understanding as well. this is a very wealthy man with a lot of connections and influence and it's something that i think hovered over a lot of these interactions. >> did you use the word debase in the piece, again right up close to where that anecdote is. is that a word that rowanne used or is that a word that the women you spoke to used? >> so we heard a variety -- i mean, the descriptions rowanne was one of many voices we included in the story, and we really value the fact that -- as you will see like i think one of the things that readers noted with our story was that we kind of changed the format a little bit. we wanted to be -- have this be an opportunity to hear these women in their own words as much as possible and so that's why you had large chunks of excerpts from our interviews, and so, you know, they waut that that was a really powerful way to kind of capture the experiences of a variety of women inside and outside the workplace. >> guys, she very clearly uses the words it was misleading, you took her words out of context, you didn't fully quote her is what she suggests. she said she called something flattering right after one of these anecdotes. as a journalist, that's concerning. what do you guys think happened? >> you know, when i interviewed rowanne, she was very clearly -- she used the word taken aback about that example. i think it's pretty clear from the fact she went on to date him that she had a big experience with him. it was an encompassing one. it started off with her being asked to put on a bathing suit and taken out to the pool and by the end she was traveling with him in atlantic city in a helicopter and we quoted her warmly and at length. >> we pointed out she went on to have a whirlwind romance with him. >> you talked to a lot of people here, right? significant reporting here. did you find any allegations of harassment or illegal behavior? >> well, so, you know, once again, a variety of voices painting a pretty complicated picture of this man. and one of the reasons we went into the story was because i think because of the controversial comments he's made about women in public, we wanted to go back and say, okay, people now are starting to make kind of blanket assumptions about this man based on comments he's made. let's go behind the scenes and let's go back decades, back to military school when he was voted ladies man -- >> that picture. >> exactly. so i think, you know, and once again there are people in the story who talked about having very good experiences with him in the workplace and that's in the story. you know, there is a portion of the story, a section of the story that does say that, you know, as his first marriage with ivana was falling apart, that there were some serious allegations against him. you know, ivana herself in a deposition as they were getting divorced made a climb that he had raped her and she's backed off of that claim, but it was there, and she's acknowledged that, and she said now that, you know, that, you know, that that story is not true. there was another allegation that was made in sort of a dispute, a legal dispout, wheud a woman who had done business with him in the beauty pageant world made accusations there had been unwanted sexual advances on her including groping. so there are -- and those were allegations that were made at the time and we included those in the story as we did the voices of people who had great experiences with him in the workplace. >> this is six weeks, more than 50 interviews. you have this special report and at one point, this one quote kept coming back to me. you describe it what emerges from the interviews is a complex and at times contradictory portrait of donald trump. so after all of this, what is your verdict? >> i mean, he is a paradoxical figure, and i'll give you the example of a woman named barbara res who was in charge of the construction of trump tower. >> which is unusual, to be involved in construction for a woman at that time. very unusual. >> an opportunity for a woman in that time in a very male industry to be put in that position. but barbara habits all the contradictions of donald trump. someone whose career was nurtured by him yet observed him making comments about her own weight, telling her you like your candy, and she said that was a reference to her own heaviness. she had gained a lot of weight. that did not make her comfortable, and she watched him pull back a woman where she was going to be taking lunch orders and she described him not thinking that woman was beautiful enough and he wanted to put somebody else in that position to go into that room so everybody else in that room would think donald trump, in her words, employed beautiful women. what a complicated person. there's no single dimension to donald trump and women and i think our story makes it clear and through the voices of the people we interviewed. >> what's your response to the reaction from donald trump so far? 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[announcer] working together, we can help your business thrive. wells fargo. together we'll go far. a lot going on in the campaign with "the new york times" piece that talks about donald trump's past with women to "the washington post" talking about donald trump's past with a spokesman who may or may not be donald trump. >> and the third-party candidate that may or may not happen. >> joining us to discuss, a senior adviser to the trump chain, barry bennett. ru rush, jackie kucinich and angela rye. she's also former executive director of the congressional black caucus. a lot going on with donald trump. there was a "new york times" piece, "the washington post" piece talking about donald trump's past. the question is, is donald trump past the point where his past will hurt him? >> i don't know if he's at the point where his past will hurt him. i think the question is how much ground does he have to make up with certain groups over the next six months? if you just look specifically at the question about women, mitt romney won white women by 14 percentage points, which -- and still lost the race. donald trump is starting the race off at a disadvantage even further back than mitt romney is. so whoever is the nominee, and we assume it's going to be -- of course, it's going to be donald trump, he's going to have to win white women by more than 14 points. stories like "the new york times'" stories aren't particularly helpful in that narrative if you're trying to do better with white women and ultimately win the election. >> you know what's so interesting is there was an entire field of republicans who tried to take down trump, often in a lot of these same topics, who did not. so angela, was a democr-- as a democrat looking at this, how do you make any of this stick when the entire primary field could not? >> that's an interesting point in part because truth hasn't mattered that much this cycle so far. so this story, you know, to the point that the reporters just raised, i thought it was phenomenal and balanced because i was like he's a womanizer reading this piece, but they still tried to give a fair shot to donald trump. i didn't even know -- i don't remember him being quoted in the piece, but even hearing they talked to him for over an hour. it's interesting. the fact that people can look at someone who is very clearly a bully, and by that i'm saying i remember kids at school who had folks who would just ride or die for them even when they were dead wrong and you see that same situation here where this woman comes on and says, well, you know, that's not -- they misquoted me and you go through the line of questioning and it's clear they didn't misquote her. she just doesn't like how the general public reads it and that's the textbook version of what happens with a bully. someone pushes off their will on another person and they begin to back them even if, again, grade school or middle school. these are the kinds of things that happen. i'm listening to the gentleman that wept before me talk about mitt romney. mitt romney got in trouble for saying he had binders full of women. trump has women trying on bikinis. he has them trying to get his approval on a miss universe stage and mitt romney just had binders full of women. he had area codes. it's so hard to believe this is just another election. it's really hard to believe this is where we are. >> barry, i want to give you a chance to respond to the bully comment angela made, but i also want your response to reince priebus. he's come out and said donald trump is the presumptive nominee. we are unified, we are going forward. you got a taste of what it's like to be unified going forward with trump as the presumptive nominee when reince priebus was asked questions about this "new york times" article, asked questions about spokesperson john miller in quotation marks and that's what reince priebus said. >> these are things he's going to have to answer for but i also think they're things from many years ago and i think that, you know, as christians judging each other i think is problematic. >> he goes on to talk about hillary clinton and say how their lives will be flpt einspe too and how that's things need to be discussed. reince priebus did not look particularly comfortable so your response to that and also what angela said about donald trump being a bully. >> there's no evidence there. but she can say whatever she wants. "the new york times" article used the word debased. she clearly doesn't feel like she was debased. so they have inserted their own opinion of how she felt which is crazy. first of all, this is the 1980s. we all have a lot of things we regret about the '80s. i do particularly. some of the clothes were hid russ. i was 18 in 1982. i'm 52 now so a lot has changed. but i mean, this is ridiculous. they talked to 50 women and managed to put 7 or 8 in the story. over half of them had great things to say. the one that is had great things to say, they twisted it and called her debased which is not how she feels. you saw that. >> but we want to get your take also on the position that reince priebus is in though. he says donald trump will have to answer to this. he looked visibly uncomfortable. >> they printed what they wanted to print, but he talked to them for over an hour about this. he's not hiding from it. what they did i think was pretty bad journalism. they had this woman. they said that -- they made it sound like she felt like she was debased, their word, not hers. and she clearly doesn't feel that way. and she's the lead in the article. >> jackie, you know, you saw reince priebus this weekend. you've seen now other republicans face questions being asked about donald trump. again, did reince priebus look comfortable to you? >> you know, ranks peince prieb seemed to have a pretty cruel sunday. >> every sunday has been like that for him. >> bailey's and cereal. he jokes about it but i feel like we're getting closer to that point. even as he was defending trump and answering questions about him, what he wasn't talking about was hillary clinton and i know the rnc has spent years putting together talking points about how they want to talk about hillary clinton and yet he spent the lion's share of his time on no matter what sunday show he was on talking about donald trump, talking about donald trump and women, a group of people that the rnc has been trying to make inroads with and get back for ages. so, you know, it really -- he's in a pretty tough position, and you're right, john, he didn't look like he was enjoying it. >> i want to get your take on a different "new york times" article that came out today by patrick healy. talking about the plan of attack hillary clinton. here is very interesting element of it. donald trump saying being a bully and insulting hillary clinton is not the way to win. he says this, just getting nasty with hillary won't work. you really have to get people to look hard at her character and get women to ask if she is sincere and authentic and he goes on to say because she's been really ugly this trying to destroy bill's mistresses and she's pandering to women so obviously when she is only interested in getting power. i found that fascinating. you have been a republican for years. republican over years have failed in this regard, attacking hillary clinton in this way. is what donald trump laying out right here, is that the right way to go about it? >> first of all, hillary clinton is a target-rich environment when it comes to attacking her in a general election. there's no question about that. and i think that there's plenty of opportunities for the republican nominee and the republican party to dissect her very long record both at a personal level and at an issues level, and people are going to find a lot to be desired with that. i think that there's a question of who these attacks are effective with and which parts of the coalitions. i think there are going to be people who are going to be very disturbed by some of the things that hillary clinton has done over the last 30 years in defending her husband, and i think that the interesting thing is, kate, is that when "the new york times" runs a front page story like this, it gives the trump campaign even more permission to go after these types of stories. so i think it's going to be something you're going to be hearing a lot over the next five months. >> all right. russ, angela, barry. >> caller: can jackie, thanks f coming in. >> thanks. you threw his support behind marco rubio. he now says he'll support the republican nominee but will he support donald trump? plus the man who is trying to unseat house speaker paul ryan. he just challenged the speaker to an arm wrestling match. he'll join us next. back in 90 seconds. marco rubio. this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, 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looks like he probably will be, then i will be supporting the nominee, donald trump, yes. i come from the abc of politics. first of all, the voters are always right. i wanted somebody who was more conservative, but it's not to be, and number two, anybody but clinton is the one that is the thing that unites republicans that i think we can all get behind and when you look at the appointments to the supreme court, to put that decision in hillary clinton's hands, i will do -- i will fight, i will argue, i will engage to try to convince my fellow citizens that anybody but clinton is the right choice. >> it did not seem so painful for you to say the word donald trump. i only say that kind of facetiously because marco rubio when he was speaking with jake tapper, it seemed very painful for him to come out and say a similar thing. i am sure you have seen the clip or maybe talked to marco rubio about it. what did you make of that moment? >> well, i think it's all the dust is settling down a little bit and at the end of the day there will be two people on the ballot and it's going to be hillary clinton and in this case donald trump, and to me that's crystal clear. you got to pick. they didn't get the person i wanted. i want mitt romney to be the president of the united states for goodness take but that didn't happen either. >> donald trump is accused of faking his identity and posing as his own spokesperson in the 1990s. this was a story that came out in "the washington post." i'm sure you have seen it. i'm sure you've heard the tapes. what do you make of that story? >> i can't say that i have heard the tapes, but it's one of those things that i don't know that it will sway anybody one direction or the other. i wish he hadn't done that. it seems a little silly and juvenile, but it happened, i guess. and i think they got to shake those trees really hard. if you're going to be the president of the united states, let's understand this. i think the whole "new york times" piece about the women, i didn't read all that, but, you know, you're talking about a guy who was a single person for part of this. it was a little in the "national enquirer" mode as opposed to let's talk policy. let's talk foreign policy. i guess that will come later in the fall, but that's what i think is actually going to sway people. >> mr. chairman, we wanted to get to all of those things. president obama though is coming out right now. we're going to have to cut this short though. mr. chairman, thank you so much. president obama awarding the medal of valor to 13 law enforcement officers across the country. let's listen in to the president right now. >> i'm proud to be with the heroes in the front row and with the families who have supported them and the family of one who made the ultimate sacrifice. en been said that perfect valor is doing without witnesses what you would do if the whole world were watching. the public safety officers we recognize today with the medal of valor found courage not in search of recognition, they did it instinctively. this is an award that none of them sought and if they could go back in time, i suspect they'd prefer none of this had happened. as one of today's honorees said about his actions, i could have very well gone my whole career and not dealt with this situation and been very happy with that. if they had their way, none of them would have to be here and so we're grateful that they are and our entire nation expresses its profound gratitude. more important, we're so grateful that they were there, some on duty, others off duty. all rising above and beyond the call of duty. all saving the lice ves of peop they didn't know. that distinction this these 13 officers of valor saved the lives of strangers is the first of several qualities that they share, but their bravery, if it had not been for their bravery, we likely would have lost a lot of people. mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, friends, and loved ones. thankfully they are still with their families today because these officers were where they needed to be most. at a critical time. at a gas station during a routine patrol, in the middle of a busy hospital, in a grocery store, on the campus of a community college, near an elementary school where a sheriff's deputy's own children were students and his wife taught. in all of these places in each of these moments, these officers were true to their oaths. to a person each of these honorees acted without record for their own safety. they stood up to dangerous individuals brandishing assault rifl rifles, handguns and knives. one officer sustained multiple stab wounds while fighting off an assailant. another endured first-degree burns to his arms and face while pulling an unconscious driver from a burning car on a freeway. each of them will tell you very humbly the same thing, they were just doing their jobs, they were doing what they had to do, what they were trained to do like on any other day. the officer who suffered those terrible burns, he left urgent care and went straight to work. he had to finish his shift. and that sense of duty and purpose is what these americans embody. the truth is it's because of your courage, sometimes seen but sometimes unseen, that the rest of us can go about living our lives like it's any other day. going to work, going to school, spending time with our families, getting home safely. we so appreciate our public safety officers around the country from our rookie cadets to our role model of an attorney general. not everyone will wear the medal that we give today, but every day so many of our public safety officers wear a badge of honor. the men and women who run toward danger remind us with your courage and humility what the highest form of citizenship looks like. when you see students and commuters and shoppers at risk, you don't see these civilians as strangers. you see them as part of your own family, your own community. as scripture teaches us, you love your neighbor as yourself and you put others' safety before your own, and you're a proud example of public service and you remind us that loving our country means loving one another. today we also want to acknowledge the profound sacrifices made by your families and i had the chance to meet some of them and they were all clearly so proud of you but we're very proud of them. we know that you wait up late and you're worried and you're counting down the minutes until your loved one walks through the door safe after a long shift. we know it never gets easier. and we thank you for that. and, of course, we honor those who didn't come home, including one hero we honor posthumously today, sergeant robert wilson iii. he gave his life when two men opened fire at a video game store where sergeant wilson was buying his son a birthday present. to his family who is here, his grandmother constance, his brother and sister, please know how deeply sorry we are for your loss, how grateful we are for sergeant wilson's service. we also honor the more than 35 who have give their lives in the line of duty so far this year. one of them, an officer in virginia named ashley marie guidon was taken from us on her very first shift. i have seen this sacrifice when i joined some of you at the national law enforcement officers memorial not far from here. we read the names carved on these walls and we grieve with the families who carry the fallen in their hearts forever. we've been moved deeply by their anguish. but also by their pride in the lives their loved ones lived, and in those moments we're reminded of our enduring obligation of citizens that they sacrifice so much for that we do right by them and their families. medals and ceremonies like today are important, but these aren't enough to convey the true depth of our gratitude. our words will be hollow if they're not matched by deeds. so our nation has a responsibility to support those who serve and protect us and keep our streets safe. we can show our respect by listening to you and learning from you, giving you the resources that you need to do the jobs. that's the mission of our police task force which brought together local law enforcement and civil rights and faith leaders and community members to open dialogue and build trust and find concrete solutions that make your job safe r. our country needs that right now. we're going to keep pushing congress to move forward in a bipartisan way to make our criminal justice system fairer and smarter and more cost-effective and enhance public safety and ensure the men and women in this room have the ability to enforce the law and keep their community safe. a few minutes ago i signed in law a package of bills that will help keep safe and honor our law enforcement officers, including one that will help state and local departments buy more bulletproof vests. emerson once said there is always safety in valor. the public safety officers we honor today give those words new meaning. for its your courage and quick thinking that gave us our safety so we want to thank you for your service. we want to thank your families for your sacrifice. i had a chance before i came out here to meet with the recipients and i told them that although this particular moment for which you are being honored is remarkable, we also know that every day you go out there you got a tough job, and we could not be prouder of not only moments like the ones we recognize here today but just the day-to-day grind, you doing your jobs professional, you doing your jobs with character. we want you to know we could not be prouder of you and we couldn't be prouder of your families for all the contributions that you make. so may god bless you and your families. may god bless our fallen heroes. may god bless the united states of america and it's now my honor to award these medals as the citations are read. officer mario gutierrez. medal of valor presented to officer mario gutierrez, miami-dade police department, florida. for bravery and composure while enduring a violent attack. officer gutierrez sustained multiple stab wounds while subduing a knife-wielding assailant who attempted to set off a massive gas explosion that could have resulted in multiple fatalities. [ applause ] >> patrolman louis cioch, johnson city police department new york. for courageously resolving a volatile encounter with a gunman. he pursued and apprehended the gunman at a hospital saving the lives of patients, employees, and visitors. [ applause ] >> officer jason salas, officer robert sparks, and captain raymond bottenfield. medal of valor presented to officer jason salas, officer robert sparks, and captain raymond bottenfield, santa monica police department, california. for courage and composure in ending a deadly rampage. officer salas, officer sparks and captain bottenfield placed the themselves in mortal danger to save the lives of students on the busy campus of santa monica college. [ applause ] >> major david huff, medal of valor presented to major david huff, midwest city police department, oklahoma. for uncommon poise in resolving a dangerous hostage situation. major huff saved the life of a 2-year-old girl after negotiations deteriorated with a man holding the child captive at knife point. [ applause ] >> officer donald thompson. medal of valor presented to officer donald thompson, los angeles police department, california. for courageous action to save an accident victim. while off duty officer thompson traversed two freeway dividers and endured first and second degree burns pulling a man to safety from a car seconds after it became engulfed in flames. [ applause ] >> officer coral walker. medal of valor presented to officer coral walker, omaha police department, nebraska, for taking brave and decisive action to subdue an active shooter after exchanging gunfire, officer walker single handedly incapacitied a man who had killed a man who had killed multiple victims on a shooting spree. [ applause ] officer gregory stevens. medal of valor presented to officer gregory stevens, garland police department, texas, for demonstrating extraordinary courage to save lives. he exchanged gunfire at close range and subdued two heavily armed assailants preventing a deadly act of terrorism. [ applause ] mrs. constance wilson, accepting on behalf of sergeant wilson iii. medal of val or presented to fallen sergeant robert wilson iii, philadelphia displeppolice department. he put himself in harm's way during an armed robbery suffering a mortal wound as he kept store employees and customers safe. [ applause ] [ applause ] >> officer niel johnson. medal of valor presented to officer niel johnson, north miami police department, florida. for swift and valorous action to end a violent crime spree. officer johnson pursued a man who had shot a miami police officer and two other innocent bystanders withstanding fire from an assault weapon and apprehended the assailant. [ applause ] >> special agent tyler call. medal of val or presented to special agent tyler call, federal bureau of investigation for his heroic actions to save a hostage. special agent call, who was off duty with his family, helped rescue a woman from her ex-husband who had violated a restraining order and held the victim at gunpoint. [ applause ] deputy joey tortorella. medal of valor presented to joey for for ella for placing himself in grave danger to protect his community. tepty tortorella confronted an subdued a violent gunman who had shot and wounded his parents had inside their home and prevented the gunman from threatening the safety of students at a nearby elementary school. [ applause ] >> let's give one last big round of applause to the recipients of the medal of valor. [ applause ] >> thank you all. thank you for your dedication. thanks for your service. you are continuously in our thoughts and prayers and we are continuously giving thanks for all that you and your families do. thank you, everybody. >> poresident obama awarding th medal of valor. highest in the united states. 13 recipients. 12 living, one sadly, deceased. but 13 officers who saved lives. >> and from a range of things. i mean, poise, valor, courage, unbelievable circumstances from a school shooting to a hostage situation to pulling an unconscious person from a burning car and also including the officer who stopped the would-be attackers in garland, texas, people who are now considered terrorists by the fbi. the officer single handedly stopped those terrorists from going into that facility in garland, texas. amazing. and also, we always want to note when there is, it's a very serious ceremony, of course, but that really adorable moment. the big guy on stage. that picture, hopefully his family would get that picture to give to him. he was such a big guy. >> president obama needed a stepladder there. exceptional courage from all of these heroes and our thanks go out to them. >> a good moment. we'll be right back. pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies. flonase is the first and only nasal spray approved to relieve both itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. go ahead, embrace those beautiful moments. flonase changes everything. you stay up. you listen. you laugh. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future, we're here for you. we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped families just like yours with wills and living trusts. so when you're ready, start with us. doing the right thing has never been easier. legalzoom. legal help is here. i'm terhe is.at golf. but i'd like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. new patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. for the strength and energy to do what you love. new ensure enlive. always be you. hnch house speaker paul ryan is having a issue at home in wisconsin. he's lived at ryan's slow walk towards endorsing donald trump. he is challenging ryan for a seat and saying challenging ryan for a little bit more. >> mr. speaker. you champion this trade deal. come back to wisconsin and debate me man to man, face to face. if you don't want to debate me, maybe we can arm wrestle. >> there's an introduction to paul nealon and joining us right now. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> of course. so you have really hit paul ryan very hard. the house speaker. for not supporting the republican nominee. and one interview, you said if he were a unifier talking about paul ryan, he would look for ways to work with the candidate that the american people have chosen in state after state. you're talking about donald trump there. but after the meeting this week on capitol hill between donald trump and paul ryan where it seems all signs point towards a road to unity, do you support those moves? >> yeah. paul ryan, i don't get how paul ryan is positioning himself right now. and that's what he's doing. he's positioning himself. he's not unifying the party. the only thing paul ryan unifies is big banks, big law firms, and big insurance companies to work against american workers. that's what paul ryan unifies. >> but he just held a meeting with donald trump. they both emerged from it saying that we do have party unity. we share common core values. he's got a meeting this week to hammer out policy proposals to work together on team trump and team ryan. so if that's not unity, what is? >> paul ryan should have backed mr. trump already. the will of the voters, the voters have spoken. paul ryan is withholding something like he is going to bend the arc of mr. trump's intentions and paul ryan, paul ryan can't get a budget through. paul ryan has a job to do and he's not doing it. paul ryan should respect the will of the voters of this country. this is a republic. paul ryan is the highest republican elected official. so for him to try to hold this back or to do something, it's disingeneralous jegenuous at be. >> if and when paul ryan backs donald trump, he came out of the meeting himself saying they were on the same path having this conversation. if, let's assume, when paul ryan does back donald trump, does that make your challenge against him or your chances more difficult? >> no. not at all. first of all, i would say, and i have not spoken to mr. trump, but i would have to expect he's going to put a positive spin on this because he doesn't want to see mr. ryan clown himself more than he has. i'm four weeks in this candidacy, started with no name recognition. got 4,000 donors. i've already exceeded dave brat's funding by far. i've got three months to go. i've got a strong message for wisconsin's first district. i am a businessman. i've created jobs. i know getting government out of the way helps businesses. paul ryan has had 18 years in congress, going on 20 years in congress. we've got a heroin, a mexican heroin problem and what's paul ryan doing? uniting behind the people who want to bail out puerto rico. why is paul ryan, where does paul ryan come off he's a small government, he's a conservative from the conservative wing of the conservative party? paul ryan is the candidate of only paul ryan. he is a big government davos government guy. i can't tell you how disappointed i am with him. >> mr. nealon, thank you so much. we are out of time. good luck on the campaign. hopefully we get a chance to talk to you again. >> thanks so much. we'll be back in a moment. 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attackers. they were armed with high power kalashnikov rifles and suicide vests and they were able to take advantage of confusion after one of them attacked on get another attacker or two into the airport itself and create mayhem and kill a lot of people in that airport. in the last couple hours we've learned that a 42nd victim has succumbed to her injuries. a 22-year-old turkish girl who died in hospital. the latest victim of this horrific attack. the turkish government said they are not at least releasing the identities of these men, suggesting they are foreigners. we don't know any more about them in part because there's very little left of their bodies after the attack. another remarkable thing is the fact this airport is back up and running. within a matter of hours, flights were taking off and landing again. many of the people trawl tiesed by the experience who survived, back at the kioskses and at the cafes in the airport behind me. remarkable considering they just endured a triple suicide bombing. as for the survivors, i caught up with a couple whose honeymoon almost went terribly, terribly wrong. >> steven and anim just got married. >> it was such a beautiful wedding, to be honest. >> she deserves it. >> after a honeymoon in greece and italy, the couple was at a five-hour layover at istanbul's airport on friday night waiting for their flight back home to the u.s. that's when the terrorists attacked. >> i literally ordered the pizza slice. when the guy turned to put the slice in the oven, i heard the gunshots. >> did you recognize that those were gunshots? >> yes. ak-47. automatic rifle. >> what goes through your head at that time? >> that she is hurt. that this is happening. my worst nightmare is haunting us now. >> he said he saw a man with a gun shooting in the departures hall. >> what did he look like? >> i was in tunnel vision, so i'm not sure if he was the actual gunman or the caps firing at him, but there is a gun and bullets coming from it. i could see the echos and all that from the gun. >> the terrified couple ran and hid in this little kitchen which steven filmed on his phone. through the door, they heard chaos outside. >> we heard people yelling. >> stop, stop. i was like, this looks like somebody is killing somebody else. >> this is one of the victims wounded screaming. >> steven didn't know whether or not the gunmen were still in the airport, on the hunt for more victims. >> at that point i said, i'm going to make a video to tell our story. we're most likely going to die here. [ whispering ]. >> speaking in his family's native arabic, he tell them to pray for him. >> i remember, i told him, that's it. this is our last seconds of our life. we're going to die right here. >> this is the moment that i realized i might lose my new family. everything i've trained for. >> but steven said if a militant came through the door, he was not going to go down without a fight. >> i was going to kill him. this is it. this is my new wife. >> 45 minutes later this terrified couple eventually emerged. to bloody scenes in the airport. >> i want to thank all the turkish first responders, the ambulances, the drivers, the cops. they were protecting us. they were doing their best. a lot of them were bleeding. >> an ambulance rushed her to a hospital. she is recovering from bruises suffered after being trampled by paneked people fleeing the gunman. but dealing with the emotional trauma has barely begun. >> i want to go back to the states. i said i can't want to come back to this country anymore. i don't want to come to the middle east anymore. >> this evening, the couple rushed to catch a flight from another airport hoping to leave this horrible chapter of their honeymoon far behind. >> it is kind of, it is worrying but amazing the attackers were able to get so spread out so quickly to attack multiple spots at this airport. >> yeah. and you have to wonder. we've seen this video of what looks like heroic security guards. one of them shooting one of the attackers who self-detonated on the sidewalk. but to stand up to evidently suicidal men with kalashnikovs who are charging in, that asks an enormous amount of bravery. and what's appalling, i have a hard time wrapping my head around the innocents killed in the attacks. two of the victims in that airport were young turkish women who worked in a fast food restaurant. a 22-year-old and 21-year-old, part time jobs for these two women. one was working there three days a week and studying english at university. they are just two of the 42 people killed and so many hundreds more who are either physically wounded by this or psychically scarred by this horrific act of violence. >> thank you for joining us. our panel this hour. what do you make of these new details we're learning, that these attackers were able to infiltrate in three different areas creating chaos, moving large groups in different directions? how much training do you think goes into something like this? >> i think they had a lot of training. i think we'll find out they had been fighting in iraq or syria. kalashnikovs, suicide vests, making sure the detonators, getting people running was key to the assaults. these people had some sort of training. whether they had dead man switches or not, it is too early to tell. but they had some sort of insurance these bombs would go off because they didn't want their people caught or not to commit suicide. so i think they had a lot of training. >> they had large networks in brussels, the bomb making. it seems hard to imagine that these three did not have similar concentric circles of support. >> i think that's absolutely right. eventually, we'll figure out who they are. three men have gone missing. once we know who they are, then the concentric circles go out to determine, who were they visiting? who is their family? where did they travel? and quickly, they used taxis because they did not want transportation left there. so this is, when you think about how can you secure things better? this is a relatively new tactic. and one that we need to explore to tighten up the transportation of these guys with lots of weaponry to the airports. >> do we know enough about isis to know how this is set up? how it is organized? >> well, they'll have surveiled the airport well enough knowing the soft points and the security the. chances are if they were foreign fighters, they may have at one point land the at that airport. gone through the security protocol many times themselves. watching these images, i recall the last time i was walking through that arrivals terminal. it is very familiar to me. i afraid with bob. if they were trained in iraq, they know how to wield a weapon. they were given this indoctrination that says the worst they know that happens to you is you will get taken alive. this is a martyrdom operation. your reward will come in the afterlife. >> is there a branch in isis that specifically deals with this? or sort of an individual is tasked with recruiting people? >> well, there are several guys. when you join, and you enter into the recruitment pool. literally they ask by a show of hands, how many of you want to become the martyrs. those who raise their hands, they're taken off and given a separate training. you have to psychologically prepare someone for facing imminent want. when paris happened, we were wondering, whether one person chickened out or his device didn't work. the worst thing is where you have that situation, he doesn't blow himself up and take out a number of civilians and then somewhere down the line he gets snatched by security services. he will give up information under interrogation, under torture in some circumstances. they don't want that to happen. you can retro engineer these networks. and i agree 100% with juliet. there is no way there were only three guys involved. the bomb maker is still out this and turkey has a vast network. >> we saw that in the paris and brussels attacks. similar networks, same people involved in many cases in materials of organizing. and the bomb maker is important. they could be military detonators. the point is this is as tone. very unstable. getting it to the site of the attack is very tricky. you have to keep it cold and the rest of it. so these guys had some practice. if you try to get on the internet and try to make this, you will probably blow yourself up. you need practice. a master bomb maker. it could have been a situation where they have a command detonator. when the guy gets shot, somebody out there is watching and can detonate his vest. always possibility. we'll to have wait for the turks to tell us. >> we've also seen attacks. mumbai, there was a central commander giving instructions. if memory serves me, phone calls were being made or text messages were being sent directing. it doesn't seal like in this case, it happened over 15 minutes or so. so it doesn't seem like there was someone centrally coordinating. it seems like plans were put into place. >> these stories unfold. the facts get unearthed. one the identities are known. then the network is unmask asked then we can figure out, is there a master mind? is this directed? where were they trained? and who else knew? which is the most important they know to make sure that you get in that work, on the bomb maker side. if this is a bomb maker out there, chances are he hand retired. he's successful at it. you want to get that net boring down as fast as possible. >> are they in istanbul planning something else. are there changes for american airports and even things possible to make it harder to hit. ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no no,♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider,♪ ♪yeaaahh... ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me nooo♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight riiiiiiiideer!♪ ♪ [ tires screech ] flo: [ ghost voice ] oooo! 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the vulnerability will be at mile 10.1. so at some stage, we just have to accept a level of vulnerability, given the threat that we have today. >> because istanbul's airport has several flights to and from the united states, dhs requires strict screening procedures, comparable to u.s. standards. the head of the tsa told cnn in may, if they are not followed, night could be prohibited. >> if we have a reason of concern, it can be as frequently as every week. if you have a reason that you trust, it can be less frequent than that. >> regardless of the standard and police presence, it is kwobl to eliminate all airport vulnerabilities. renee marsh, cnn, washington. >> back with the panel, when you see people talking about extending the perimeter. i mean, at a certain point, this is plenty of soft targets. you can never secure all these places. >> there is a common problem every time we see one of these incidents. as you take an isolated circumstance, why can't you make a soft target hard? let's multiply that out by a thousand times. what have we seen in 1915 years? transport. subways, buses. every time you take the metro, a subway, an uber, a taxi, a private vehicle to an airport, a subway or a train in san francisco with b.a.r.t., in washington with the metro, in new york with the subway. multimy out what happened in istanbul to all those facilities. and then ask one other question. two months ago we were talking about tsa hines. two months from now, we talk about tsa lines. do you want safety or freedom to move? you have a chase to make. >> even in the mumbai attack, they put bombs in taxis. sent out the taxis that then exploded in different parts of the city that allowed them to get throughout the area. >> soft targets are the soft because they are welcoming to the public and the public wants them to be welcoming. as we go visit family and friends. instead of thinking a sim solution, we have to look at the issue overall. engage the public as we try to do. and then just realize that part of the balancing that phil is talking about is the acceptance of that level of vulnerability because of the benefits of flow, travel, concerts, whatever we think about it. we can call it later security but it is hook at the entire environment. and airports are not hard. we have an expectation as travelers to have flow through the airport. >> and it sounds like where you have a bottleneck, you have a the lot of people. any time people gather, that is, on you know, a potential risk. >> the problem is it is not just airports. let's say we can harden airports. but they go to a basketball game in a small town with a small police forceful they don't even have the weaponry to take on isis assaulters. in istanbul, the police did the right thing. they inserted themselves into the incident. they kept down casualties. that's an experienced counter terrorism force. what do you do about small town usa? these people are perfectly capable. >> we've seen a lot of places, not only in after shooter drills burg multiple targets with multiple locations. when donald trump talked about waterboarding as a way basically to do something about terrorism, as somebody who worked with the fbi and the cia, what do you do? >> i bristle. in this political season let's have a reality check. in 2002 the department of justice authorized waterboarding and nine other procedures we called interrogation techniques. the white house was aware. the senate was briefed. 15 years later a president says that's torture. a department of justice says we won't do it the senate issues a report that says you violated american values. if any president, democrat or republican, wants to return to waterboarding i have a couple questions. number one, you'd better find a cia officer who will do it. i don't know any. number two, i do not know any. not because they think what we did was wrong but because there ain't no learning the second kick of the mule. number two. you'd better find an attorney general who will once again after one president called this torture determine that it is legal and then go tell the american people, we're going to try it while the cia says we ain't doing it. >> what do you think of it? >> it is still in dispute where it works. you have the senate saying it doesn't work. you have psychologists saying it doesn't work. people i know said it did. we haven't come to a realization yet. they said it worked. we're not there yet and it is something we have to deal with objectively. at the end of the day, this won't stop terrorism. getting inside a compartmented cell like the one that attacked istanbul is virtually impossible. it doesn't matter what kind of pressure you put on people. >> just ahead, they haven't claimed responsibility. all signs point to isis. will they be focusing more on these attacks now that they're losing ground in the battlefield? 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"credit karma. give yourself some credit." breaking news in the fight against isis. u.s. officials telling us american war planes conducted a strike in a suburb of fallujah in iraq. apparently isis fighters trying to stage a retreat across the desert. more than 250 were killed in the air strike which would make it one of the single deadliest hits against the terror group. cnn is being cautious about talking about the fatalities. it didn't have anything to do with the terror strike in turkey. many feel that battlefield defeats have made targets in other countries more tempting to isis. joining us now, the author of radical. my journey out of islam and extremism. this information about the strike against isis. we've been talking about this. that isis is inferring the loss of fallujah, mosul is now on the list for the cities on try to take back for the iraqi authorities. do you think that is encouraging isis to turn to more attacks like the one in istanbul? >> isis needs to prove that it continues remains capable. and for its followers, it needs to prove that it is still an organization that can effectively target the west and strike in the heart of western and european cities. so i think we are going to continue to see these sorts of attacks. >> what is the key reaction? one visceral reaction is protect harder and softer targets. hit these people harder. when you see an attack like this, and i'm going to feel like we talked to you in the wake of everyone of these attacks. what needs to be done? >> i think there are three areas we need to look at. i will focus on the cultural scare. we've had a lot of securing american airports and what have you. if we look at the reaction of turkey, as a government. the reaction in europe and the reaction within muslim communities. there are three specific things i would advise we need to look at. and specifically about culture. first of all, as with afghanistan, governments and heads of state have to recognize that we can no longer afford to tolerate the use of jihadists as a foreign policy asset. because there will always be blowback. that's what has happened in turkey in the sense that isis is targeting turkey because they feel that they want to punish the turks for clamping down, shutting down the border and making it more difficult for isis fighters to get across that border into syria. but historically, there was a level of tolerance by the turkish regime or perhaps turning a blind eye. especially to the oil that was smuggled over the border and sold on the black market in turkey. as happened in afghanistan, this policy of turning a blind eye to jihadists for the sake of the foreign policy. in the case of turkey, they wanted to support them against the regime in syria. there needs to be a change of culture there. the second is the consequences on europe. i fear that this attack, attacks in paris ask brussels, are going to further divide europe and further exacerbate the break-up of the european union. it will lead to racism across europe and in fact the immigration flow made a huge roll in the recent debate in the united kingdom and leaving the this european union. this will continue to have an effect. and the third is muslim communities. here is an opportunity for us as muslims to use this attack as a pushback against isis propaganda. here's is a community. isis continues to speak in the name of islam. so there's an opportunity for extremists to be counter extremism activists. to use this to say this organization that claims to speak in your name is killing your brothers and sisters in the name of your own religion and it is high time we began challenging, not just isis. this notion of any form of schram can be imposed anywhere in the world. >> that's one of the things you hear about isis. people who killed in orlando said on the 911 call, the and u.s. the west is killing muslims, bombing muslims. in fact it is isis killing large number of muslims. probably more muslims than anybody else. >> yes. so this false narrative they have used. we know in the u.s., congressmen and women can be muslims. swear even their oath of allegiance on the koran. we know in the united kingdom, we have a muslim mayor of london. this propaganda is at war. more muslims have been killed by al qaeda and isis terrorist attacks than anyone else has killed them. so that's what we have to focus on within muslim communities. and i think as you know, a lot more can be done in that regard. to push back against isis propaganda and specifically, the ideology that underpins propaganda. >> go i appreciate you being on. hillary clinton and trump's responses to this haste attack. as we mentioned, a bit different. this is not the first time they've had to craft a response sadly to deadly terror attacks during their campaigns. we'll take a closer look at the tone of each and the message they sent, next. esurance does insurance a smarter way, which saves money. like bundling home and auto coverage, which 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time they have differed deeply on the subject. >> november 13, 2015. paris is under siege. 130 people killed. many hundreds more wounded. as news of the carnage starts to break in the u.s., this tweet from donald trump. long before isis would claim responsibility. they laughed at me when i said to bomb the isis controlled oil fields. now they are not laughing and doing what i say. 30 minutes later, this from hillary clinton. the reports from paris are harrowing. praying for the city and families of the victims. the stark contrast in political style now a hallmark of the presidential race. december 2, 2015. san bernardino, california. 14 people are gunned down at the inland regional center. the attackers, a husband and wife, later killed in a shoot-out with law enforcement. hillary clinton didn't speak about it until the next day. >> i know that everyone from the fbi to local police are doing everything they can to find answers. >> trump, relatively measured in the initial aftermath of the attack, until this. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> may 19 of this year, egyptair flight 804 crashes into the mediterranean ocean. all 66 on board perish. terrorism is suspected almost immediately. >> it does appear that it was an act of terrorism. exactly how, of course the investigation will have to determine. >> trump, far more emphatic about terrorism, causing the crash. >> what just happened about 12 hours ago? a plane got blown out of sky. if anybody thinks wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks. okay? >> emfat everything but maybe wrong. now five weeks after the plane went down, investigators are still investigating the cause and the very real possibility mechanical failure or other issues beyond terrorism might be to blame for the tragedy. june 12, a gunman massacres 49 at the pulse nightclub in orlando. later that day, trump echos his call for a ban on muslims. tweeting what has happened in orlando is just the beginning. our leadership is weak and ineffective. i called and it asked for the ban. must be tough. but the ban would have made no difference because it was soon learned the shooter was a u.s. citizen, born and raised in america. this was hillary clinton's response to the orlando shooting. this is a time to stand together and resolve to do everything we can to defend our communities and country. yesterday, they have suicide bombers killed scores in turkey. hillary clinton issues a statement, promising to deepen our cooperation with allies. trump has another idea. >> they said what do you think about waterboarding? i said i like it a lot. i don't think it is tough enough. >> cnn, new york. >> let's talk about this with the panel. kelly macanenny, christine flynn and patrick healy. it is, patrick, interesting to see the two different styles, when you juxtapose them like that. i don't know if it is fair to say that. donald trump is speaking more immediately and in a visceral way that appeals to a lot of people. and hillary clinton more measured and political in her response. one, speaking to the heart. the other to the head, i guess you could say. >> i think you're right. one thing the clinton folks are worried about and have been for quite a while. they were worried about it with bernie sanders and with donald trump. the mood of the country, the desire for real action, big statements, even if there aren't a lot of details to back it up. it is so strong right now that it may swamp the measured, what democrats are measured, thoughtful, detailed responses. her saying we need to work with nato. we need on work with our allies. a lot of americans are feeling like germany and turkey and belgium aren't going to keep america safer. it is america that has to take that responsibility. and donald trump has an appeal that goes so directly. >> you look at the latest quinnipiac poll. 52% think donald trump would be better at defeating isis compared to 29% for clinton. >> when you hear what donald trump is saying, it is to me terrifying. for someone who wants to be president of the united states, i think waterboarding is great. i like waterboarding. it is not tough enough. a practice that has clearly been labeled by everyone as inhumane torture. that's not what we're about. i understand the concern that secretary clinton sometimes may seem too measured. i saw a lot of compassion and empathy and concern in her statements. but we're talking about international terror here. at home and abroad. what we need to keep us not just safe as a country but united and not in a state of panic as a country. which is incredibly important. as somebody who will be thoughtful. who isn't going to make pronouncements that something is terror when they don't know if it was. when people will shoot off at the hip that the answer is to block an entire religion. so i actually, whatever the polls show now, terror is a tragically growing and terrifying thing in this world. and that i know americans hear more of donald trump's bombastic racist inhumane, and in this case, really terror based ideas. they're going to know hillary is the right person. >> okay. that's clearly what the clinton people are hoping for. but the polls don't seem to be bearing that out. >> right. i think americans really want to see strength right now. you look at this administration. i think they've sent a mixed message. on the one hand you have obama coming out after the orlando attacks. basically accelerating the haste of the refugee program. this was days after the attacks. then you have the cia saying isis is trying to infiltrate the united states. part of that is through refugee program. today you see obama saying, isis has lost territory. yes, that is true. they have lost territory. but they haven't lost strength. this is a warning to the united states saying they're trying to come here. you see this mixed bag of goos. people are saying it's enough. it's time to be strong. >> these situations are complex. it is not always so clear cut to be able to say, you know, waterboarding is the solution here. >> but there is one undeniable fact. that terror is linked to our immigration policies. you have ted cruz who mined the justice department date and found 380 of the 580 terror convictions since 9/11 were people foreign born. so this is linked to immigration. it needs to change and donald trump is right. >> but right after the -- >> hang on. after the attack on pulse, which is tragic, and committed by an american. when that was happening, what donald trump did was double down on his muslim ban which clearly i find repulsive as a policy. but worse than that, worse than that he put it out as if it would have been a solution that would have prevented orlando. when you're a leader, worse than giving people no hope is giving them false hope. people have -- >> but the thing with the clinton campaign is they're kind of putting a really big bet, and i understand why they're making it organization donald trump's temperament sinking him. the reality is like it or not, the next four and a half months, his handlers, his people seem to be sculpting him a new candidate. i think we'll see at the republican convention. we'll see that it is a repranlding for donald trump trying to put this forward. may be he'll tee off at those debates and the chins had been able to run ads here, there and everywhere. ultimately, if he continues to different use the argument and he is playing to that emotional chord that americans react to. you could see another brexit. >> if the clinton -- if the trump campaign takes that away as an issue, takes away the temperament thing by sort of developing a more traditional campaign, having him do more teleprompter speeches, it does take away a big weapon from hillary clinton. >> it does. it would completely destabilize the center piece of her campaign. one thing he did after the talks. he said we need to talk with the nra about making sure people on the terror watch list don't get guns. and yes, immigration was not at play with the orlando attacks. it was in play with san bernardino. he was willing to look at guns and the democrats aren't willing to look at immigration. >> waterboarding is not a softer, gentler donald trump. that does not that he to what pat said at all. the evidence is not that donald trump can be the new donald trump we talk about constantly. he called for more than waterboarding. >> just ahead, more than two weeks since the terror attack at a gay nightclub in orlando. 49 people killed. dozens more wounded. the officers first on the scene say they're haunted by what they saw. we'll hear from some of them after this break. rma. what the??? you're welcome. i just helped you dodge a bullet. but i was just checking my... shhh... don't you know that checking your credit score lowers it! just be cool. actually, 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>> i parked my truck out on the roadway, and i could see the offduty officer out there that initially called for help. >> reporter: the harrowing video from the scene shows officer highland helping load the wounded on to his truck. he quickly used it as an improvised ambulance to get victims to the hospital. >> i was inside the club. and that's when i started pulling some of the wounded out. i would pull one out, come outside, pull another one out. and it got to a point where i suffered muscle failure. my legs just gave out as i got the last one out to the car. and i remember one of my friends, he grabbed ahold of me and he said take a break. because i literally when i was dragging one of the wounded out, i fell back on my back. >> reporter: highland has recovered from the physical stress, but it's the wounds that you can't see that he still struggles with. although he has seen combat and carnage before as an army military police officer, to see images of bodies scattered on a dance floor that still haunts him today. >> it's in your own backyard. you know you're, not going to the fight. the fight has been brought to you. >> reporter: josh granada and carlos are also trying to process the events of june 12th. >> i never thought i would see anything like that. i could tell you for the rest of my career i don't think i'll ever see anything like that again. we've dealt with so much at one time that how can anything compare. >> reporter: they remember being the first medics on the scene. >> when we grabbed that first person, we took them to the hospital, we told the hospital, i think we're going to be back with a bunch more. and that's when we went back. like normally it would take us 20, 30 minutes to turn around, clean everything up. in this situation we knew there was lot more people. so we put everything back and went. >> reporter: how many people did you transport with your vehicle that day? >> 13. >> 13 total. >> we made four trips back and forth and took 13 people. >> reporter: these two have been riding together for six year. he even trained granada in medics school. but nothing could have prepared them for this. >> the worst mass shooting in u.s. history, and we were right there. it's all i could think about for the entire week. i couldn't get back to my normal routine. it was the first thing i thought of when i woke up and the last thing i thought before i went to sleep. if i woke up in the middle of the night, that's what i was thinking of. it was just really, really strange to have nothing else going on in your head other than this horrific act. >> reporter: the nightmare may not be over for tavares, granada and the rest of the pulse first responders. the tendency to second guess their actions the night of the shooting can delay the process of moving on. >> have i questioned myself. i said what if i could have done this, what if i could have done that. and that's the worst thing. and i say you're your own worst enemy in situation likes that. >> reporter: back in the heart of orlando, signs of a scarred city starting to heal for the men and women who answered the call for help, that healing may only come with time. and so what is that key to coping with this incident? according to the fire chief in orange county, florida. they tell us really it's all about talking about what they experienced here. and that is key to law enforcement personnel and also the firefighters to actually reflect and to discuss what they experienced in that nightclub almost three weeks ago, anderson. because clearly this is one of the main struggles for the law enforcement officers and the firefighters. many times that means sharing really some of their feelings with the people that they spend the most time with. not their families, but the people that they work with every day, anderson. >> i wish them the best. polo sandoval, thank you. we'll be right back. that does it for us, "cnn newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm hala gorani. we are live at istanbul's international airport with the very latest this morning on the investigation into the triple suicide bombing terror attack here. >> and good morning from london. i'm john vause outside parliament, where politicians are scrambling to figure out who among them will lead the country out of the eu. >> and i'm amara walker in los angeles with details about ongoing air strikes aimed at isis militants. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is cnn.
as anti-semitic. his words came at a fiery event in cincinnati. fiery is an understatement. here's some of what he said. >> rigged system, folks. remember, i used to say it. i'm the one that brought that word up. now everybody's using it. bernie sanders is rightfully using it because, honestly, what they did with him was not good. i wake up, and i turn on the television. donald trump loves saddam husse hussein. he loves saddam hussein, and i was just asked a question by the cincinnati inquirer inside and -- there trump, is it true that you love saddam hussein? essentially like sort of that, you know? i said that's not what i said. that's not what i said. that's the narrative that goes around. i actually put a press release out and the people who saw it said that was great, but they are liars. these are bad people. these are bad people, and what i did say -- and what i did say is that he was good at one thing. he was really good at killing terrorists. he didn't wait around. so one of my guys who is married to a jewish woman, this is a very fine person, dan skovino, he put out a tweet talking about crooked hillary clinton, and on the tweet was a star. a star. like, a star, and i said -- because when i looked at it i didn't think anything. all of a sudden it turned out to be in the minds of the press only because it could have been a sheriff star, it could have been a regular star. my boy comes home from school, baron. he draws stars all over the place. i never said that's the star of david, baron, don't -- it's a star. have you all seen this? it's a star! the democrats, ooh, was there a mosquito. i don't want mosquitos around me -- i don't like mosquitos! i don't like those mosquitos. i never did. okay. speaking of mosquitos, hello, hillary, how are you doing? >> that was donald trump just moments ago. cnn's sara murray was there and she joins us now from cincinnati. sara, it's safe to say this was not the teleprompter donald trump. >> reporter: i think that's fair to say, john berman. this was pretty classic, old-school donald trump. he was going after the media and he was reviving controversies that seem to have mostly put to bed. you saw him talking about the tweet that had the six-pointed star and had hillary clinton and piles of cash and it invoked anti-semitic imagery and he got a lot of criticism for that on twitter as well as from the anti-defamation league and his campaign deleted it. they covered it with something else. his social media director put out a statement saying i never meant to offend anyone. they didn't go so far as to apologize and that was a couple of days ago and donald trump brought it all back and in addition to the comment about saddam hussein that he made last night and he started on message and he started talking about rob portman is a great senator and bashing ted strickland and he ended on message and there were some tangents in there, as you noted. >> he did talk about james comey and the fbi and some emails and that is what a lot of republicans want him to focus on almost exclusively at this point and tomorrow donald trump heads to capitol hill and he'll meet with members of congress and he'll try to reassure some members of congress. do you think to not's event and tonight's speech will be reassuring on capitol hill? >> reporter: well, when it comes to prosecuting the case against hillary clinton, donald trump does that just as energetically as he does pretty much everything else. he said she lied about her emails and it was clear and anyone else who did what hillary clinton did would have been going to jail and she's managed to get away with it. so i think you will hear more of that when he goes to talk to republicans on the hill and he tends to do better with the closed-door meetings with republicans where they can ask him questions and talk to him more about the fundamentals of his campaign and his strategy going into the general election, but the donald trump that you get on the stump on the campaign trail on nights like these where he is very fired up especially against the press is a totally different thing than what you will see behind closed doors in washington. >> he's an energized, donald trump, that's to be sure. >> donald trump going to capitol hill tomorrow and the fbi director james comey also will be there. he will be in congress going to answer questions about his recommendations against criminal charges with hillary clinton and a recommendation that loretta lynch accepted. director comby is facing heat from donald trump and republicans accusing him of a double standard and charging him under similar circumstances, but not charging her. this is something comey tried to nip in the bud yesterday. >> all of the cases prosecuted involved some combination of clearly, intentional and willful mishandling of classified information or vast quantities of information, exposed in such a way to support an inference of intentional misconduct or indications of disloyalty to the united states or efforts to obstruct justice. we do not see those things here. >> republicans including jason chaffetz who is chairing the hearing, they disagree and they want to know more even though in chairman chaffetz's case, he recently praised director comey and would probably accept his upcoming decision. >> his finger is on the pulse of this. nothing happens without him and he will be the definitive person to mack a determination or recommendation. >> that was then. right now let's turn to cnn's manu raju. director comey met with loretta lynch today who announced he's not going to press charges against hillary clinton or anyone else connected to this. what can you tell us about today's meeting? >> john, this does not come as much of a surprise as loretta lynch previously announced she would accept the recommendation from the fbi no matter what it was and with comey saying he didn't think a credible case could be made against clinton, she clearly agreed. she met with comby and federal prosecutors who investigated the matter for a year and said in a statement that no charges would be brought against quote, any individuals within the scope of the investigation. now, in the wake of bill clinton's meeting with lynch on an airport tarmac this week, many republicans simply don't think the attorney general is impartial and she will be on capitol hill next week, john, testifying and answering questions from republicans. >> what can we expect to hear from director comey when he appears before chairman chaffetz's committee. he will get a grilling from house republicans and chairman chaffetz and he broke the law and should be prosecuted and there will be multiple grounds of questioning from members of both sides of the aisle and house republicans are saying this is just the start of a political pressure campaign that is just going to intensify all of the way up into november, john. >> earlier today, manu, speaker ryan spoke about the fbi decision and spoke about what actions congress might take against hillary clinton. what was he saying? >> speaker ryan suggested that he believed that hillary clinton got preferential treatment and when i asked him today if he thought congress should push for a special prosecutor he did not rule that out. he said that all option are on the table, but ryan had been very clear that clinton should not get access to the country's secrets during the campaign. listen to what he had to say. >> i was on the ticket in 2012. after the convention you get the full, deep, classified information as part of the transition and as part of being a nominee. i think the dni claeper should -- should deny hillary clinton access to classified information during this campaign given how she so recklessly handled classified information. >> now republicans on the house intelligence committee privately met this morning, and i am told they discussed whether there was any legislative recourse to deny clinton access to intelligence, so watch out for that, john. and interestingly, i asked senate majority leader mitch mcconnell if donald trump would be briefed on classified intelligence and he would not answer and instead he called on clinton to release the transcripts of her fbi introduce, john. >> 2016, manu raju, thanks so much. i want to bring in basel smigel and christine quinn, trump supporters, katie mcnerney and they were caught in the middle of it all and conservative trump kritdic, kailey, we were talking about tonight's donald trump's speech. not the teleprompter trump which received a lot of praise from capitol hill. do you think this will be of concern to people who liked donald trump painting within the lines? >> no, because this was donald trump taking control of the narrative being set forth by the hillary clinton campaign who takes any small incident, blows it up and manufacturers outrage and tries to create controversy where it does not exist and it was up to donald trump to set the record straight. hillary clinton said x, y and z about he and this is my rebuttal. that was most important and it was important to give those rebuttals. >> rebuttals to the star of david or the tweet controversy, which no one was really bringing up today, kayleigh. today was focused on the fbi and focused on james comey and focused on the emails which no republican thinks is a fertile issue and councilman, this is what donald trump said unprovoked in cincinnati today. watch. >> so we have unbelievably dishonest media. so think of that. you have the star, which is fine. i said you shouldn't have taken it down. they took the star down. i said, too bad. you should have left it up. i would have rather defended it. just leave it up and that's not the star of david. that's just a star. were you surprised, councilman to see donald trump again tonight unprovoked when so much question on hillary clinton and emails bring up this controversy again. >> you reach a point when you are so frustrated with the manufactured anger coming like things from the star of david to his trip to scotland. one of the things he spoke about at length was his trip to scotland and how the clinton campaign used golf videos of him for years ago that he used it to solely play golf. you get frustrated and see this take a larger precedent in the media over some things that hillary clinton is doing like the fbi investigation, et cetera, et cetera. >> my point is it wasn't taking today, at least a larger role in the media. today it's been all about the fbi. it's been all about the, mails. it's been all about the hearings that will take place in congress tomorrow. patrick healy, you are with donald trump today and with you he was bringing up the star of david? >> sure. shortly before his rally today we sat down at his office and he was so clear . it was galling him. it was this idea that he was pushing and trafficking antisemitism and he said i wouldn't have deleted it. i would not have deleted it. to me i saw this and i saw a star. he understood his staff took it down because of sensitivities and sensibilities, but he wanted to fight, and i think the thing that was just so striking, john, is that as you know, you know, republicans dream of a kind of week like this where the fbi director is getting up there. barack obama's fbi director and giving to hillary clinton and serving up these softballs and donald trump instead is just really kind of still seething over a tweet that nobody really wants to talk about. you think that he didn't want to talk about anymore and he's not pounding on the judgment and on the confidence and on the instinct questions that now were so fertile that he could be raising against hillary clinton. go ahead. >> it kind of baffles the mind where he would go back to this unfortunate, at best, unfortunate incident and i think it reminds americans that he's kind of irrational and doesn't really have a sound sense of judgment and that makes you question, in my opinion, his stability and character as it relates to being president of the united states, but beyond that, his staff members said that they picked it off of some anti-hillary website, when in fact, that exact imagery, the star of david with words like corrupt in it, on top of a pile of money has been well documented as an image used on anti-semitic websites and it's not just the media or hillary supporters. you cannot assail the qualifications of the anti-defamation league. >> the obama administration -- >> hold on -- >> let's put up the tweet for that. if this is the tweet that donald trump now says he wishes was not taken down and, tear a the issue and i don't think they'll agree if this was antisemitic or not, but the issue is that by and large, this was litigated in the press, litigated in the public discourse two days ago. >> right. and it wasn't going to be discussed as much as it is now unless donald trump did what he did was the politically unthinkable which was bring it up himself at a rally in cincinnati. >> on a day when hillary clinton, her email scandal and the fact that the fbi director has to go in front of the congress for hearings. these are all things like patrick said, and we talked about this earlier. these should have been death blows to hillary clinton and her campaign, but no, instead donald trump is obsessing over a mistake that his campaign made four days ago. he's still talking about that. he wasted time when all of the networks are covering him, rehashing that issue. not only did he waste time on that bringing it back up so now we're talking about this instead of going after hillary clinton, he brought up the scotland golf thing again. he's bringing up all of these other, dredging up stuff and he wasted so much precious time going on and on about himself and other controversies and he spent more time criticizing cnn and the media instead of talking about this country and going after hillary clinton, her record, her problems instead of hammering that message home. he did that for about -- >> he hit hillary clinton. >> he did that for three minutes and he went off on these crazy tangents again. >> everyone expects him to be this crazy politician. >> but he is a real person. >> when he is accused of things that are unsavory and discussing accusations, he will address them. >> unlike the secretary of state who stood up today in atlantic city and tries to disbarge someone's business record. >> he did not deceive the fbi and addressing all of the various myriad of contradictions that james comey pointed out. she didn't address the issues. donald trump addresses the issues and takes them head-on like any real person would do. >> i want to get you into this discussion because kayleigh's right, secretary clinton has not spoken out publicly about the emails and what the fbi director said and about the investigation at this point. she hasn't talked yesterday and hasn't spoken today. should she? >> i don't know if she will, but the investigation is over. loretta lynch said that today. the investigation is over. what's going to happen, is the republicans unsatisfied with this finding who have pinned their white house aspirations on hillary being indicted will continue to prosecute her in the shadow prosecution by bringing james comey down to congress, a man who has been lauded by people on both the right and the left and all of a sudden now these findings are somehow flawed. >> hang on -- >> but the point is that i don't know if she's going to address them. she addressed them -- >> shouting out questions. >> reporters are always shouting out questions. >> in comments that she made yesterday in the release from yesterday, but the fact of the matter is this is going to continue to get dredged up, and it's not about finding systemic problems and changes that can be made. it's about prosecuting her. >> all right, guys. stand by. investigation may be over and this discussion is not over and nor are the questions over because tomorrow james comey will be on capitol hill and there is much more to discuss about these hearings and later, hillary clinton on donald trump's old turf, atlantic city, taking dead aim at how he ran his hotels and casinos and ran, what she says, into the ground. what muscle pain? 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[ applause ] she made so many false statements. is she going to be brought before congress or something? is something going to happen? is something going to happen? because it's a disgrace. >> back now with our panel. patrick healy, i want to start with you because the democrats to your right they suggest the investigation is over and this issue is completely over. this is not over. not when james comby is going to capitol hill tomorrow to answer questions and next week the attorney general will appear before another committee and not when the house will consider legislation to bar classified information to go to the secretary of state while running for president. this is kind of a big deal with the fbi director going to capitol hill tomorrow. >> i think it is the beginning of something. it's the end of the investigation and the beginning of a difficult period for hillary clinton. the question is are the republicans who will meet with donald trump will say, this is how you will prosecute the argument. you have her on the hot seat like no nominee has been in years. this is how you have to go after her because this could be the kind of story that lasts for weeks for her and as we know with hillary clinton, she's not the greatest at sitting down and taking ail questions and saying i'm going to answer every last question that comes at me, but people are going to be pressing her on this. people will be shouting questions at her, and if he figures out a way to really focus on the mistrust, the judgment, then he'll start being able to reach, i think, undecided voters whereas the conspiracy theories that he's sort of trading in a lot of the times, people roll their eyes. >> when you say she's not the best at answering questions, she didn't really hold news conferences. >> if i can just -- >> if i can just tweak that a little bit. i would take a little issue with that because when she was asked to testify at the benghazi hearings, one of them was an len-hour session and she was prepared to sit down and answer questions related to these very tough issues, but what i think what the voters will look at ultimately is that we spent $7 million on these investigations and the last report hit with a thus. no new information there, and i think what the american people will want to know is you can spend all of this time and all of this money trying to go after this woman, but you can't muster the fortitude to create good gun control. >> tara, i want to ask you, james comey will be in the so-called hot seat tomorrow. there's one guy who can handle the hot seat it may be james comey. do the republicans run some risk here by putting the heat on him? >> i think if they don't overreach. as long as they ask legitimate questions, congress has oversight capacity over the fbi and the department of justice and they have every right to ask the fbi director how the investigation was conducted and how he came to the conclusion that even -- what's the difference between extremely careless and grossly negligent. i think he has the american people -- have the right to hear a full explanation of that and as long as they don't overplay their hand and i think what happened at the benghazi hearing, was there missed opportunities, was there new information in the report that came out last week, but at the hearings, there were some things and there were some missed opportunities there and as long as it isn't a rehash of that, i think that this still could have political upside for the republicans for sure, but he's not capitalizing. >> i'll change the subject completely because donald trump said something very interesting about the man who was on stage with him tonight. newt gingrich, former speaker of the house, he went out of his way to praise newt gingrich, saying i'm not going to say it's newt, but if he is in the debates, he is not going to lose. do you think he is one, two or three? >> i think he's a finalist in the veep stakes and i think he would be a great choice including people who were not willing to be considered were all very good picks. i think newt does bring a lot of gravitas and brings a lot of mainstream, republican support and brings a vast manage of policy which i think donald trump could benefit from and i want to ask one question to basel's point if you would indulge me a second and it's the question hillary clinton won't answer is why -- you have bold-faced lied to the american public about sending emails and not deleting them. you bold-faced lied to the american public on benghazi, what you told your daughter versus what you told the public. how do you answer that -- >> she didn't lie about deleting emails? >> i never sent classified emails. >> you asked me about deleting emails. >> she lied about sending classified emails. >> no, no, no. number one, number two, with respect to the conversation with her daughter, if you remember what was said in the testimony, it was that there was an -- this was an ongoing event, obviously, right? things were evolving -- >> why did she first say one and then the other? >> one of the things she said to her daughter including some of the comments made by susan rice was relative to information that they were just getting, but not settled on. it was an evolving event and these were conversations -- >> what about an event that evolved about not sending classified email and she ought to have known. why was she so willing to lie when directly asked several times on this question? >> i think it was very clear in the way the secretary conducted herself at the benghazi hearings and the degree to which those ended up as a show of really no new evidence of any wrongdoing. it shows she was not lying, and again, i want to say tomorrow at the hearing when the fbi director is there. tara raises a very good point about will they go too far again, and what i believe will happen regardless of how the congress members conduct themselves, within the appropriate way or they go out of their way to attack a dignified, highly regarded public servant, donald trump will go out of his way to be outrageous again. >> she shouldn't be charged and you should accept the fact that he basically said what we all know is that she lied about this. >> the words lied and never -- >> that was -- don't put words in such a distinguished public servant's mouth. let's not forget, joe, wait! let's not forget, donald trump just yesterday raised the specter that the fbi director, a man who has taken on republicans and democrats with clear, you know, patriotic focus, that he had made this decision because he was being coerced into staying on as the fbi director. that's what will happen. you have donald trump that will act in a way that is disrespectful, un-american. >> and we will take a quick break and talk more about this coming up because clearly, there is a lot to discuss right now. there is also more to discuss about hillary clinton and her day to day. she went to atlantic city to talk about donald trump and his businesses in atlantic city. failed businesses and she gave a scathing speech and she stood in front of a fading trump name and his latest casino and what hillary clinton told the american people and what james comey told the american people. that's next. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep. i had trouble getting there on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last into the morning. ♪ look up at a new day... hey guys! now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. 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[ technician ] ask him whatever you want. okay. ♪ do you think my sister's prettier than me? ♪ [ laughs ] [ male announcer ] research, price, find. only cars.com helps you get the right car without all the drama. hillary clinton was in atlantic city today. she did not answer questionser give any explanation about the email story and what the fbi director has said about her practices as secretary of state. instead, she hammered donald trump's business failures in atlantic city and warned essentially that a president trump is a gamble the country could not afford. on the boardwalk in front of a trump plaza casino she talked about multiple bankrupties, stiffing contractors and job losses during his stint running casinos there. >> when this casino collapsed because of how badly he managed it, hundreds of people lost their jobs. shareholders were wiped out. lenders lost money. contractors, many of them small businesses took heavy losses and many themselves went bust. but donald trump, he walked away with millions. and here's what he says about the whole experience. he actually brags about it. atlantic city was a very good cash cow for me for a long time. the money i took out of there was incredible. >> jeff zeleny joins me now. what else was she saying about trump and his business record and why? >> reporter: it was song and verse about the long business record of donald trump, particularly here in atlantic city. it certainly has seen its better days and donald trump is not to plame for all of the economic issues of atlantic city, but he certainly has bankruptcies in his history and record history. she came directly to the heart of the boardwalk here and literally turned behind her and looked at the sign where trump plaza used to say. her point here is this. he got rich. other people did not. that is her whole anthem of her campaign here. she believes that he is trying to, you know, defraud and mislead working-class voters across america so she's trying to at every turn get them to pay a little bit more attention here to his actual business record. john, i got the sense that today it might be replayed again in the form of a tv commercial with clinton turning behind her and looking at that trump plaza, formerly trump plaza sign. >> one of the things that might give you that impression is the clinton campaign had cameras there filming which is how it was in the clinton campaign ad and it would focus that and not the emails. loretta lynch announced it would accept the director comey's recommendation. hillary clinton's not talking about it, but how is the campaign reacting? >> she's not talking about it publicly yet, john. she will at some point, we know. a tweet from her spokesman a short time ago said this. with the attorney general accepting director comey's recommendation, the case is resolved. no matter republican's attempts to continue playing politics. again, they say the case is closed. the case is resolved and legally, that may, in fact, be true, but politically speaking, this case goes on and in fact, it will go on tomorrow morning on capitol hill before the house oversight committee when director comey is answering these questions. one interesting thing. the clinton campaign has been working on house democrats to shape some of these questions here to get some context out and their side of the story out as well here. so the hearing is not just one-sided with republicans. it will be with democrats asking questions, as well. >> those will be fascinating tomorrow. jeff, you have other news and political news on the democratic side. the idea of possible democratic unity, and a possible joint appearance between secretary clinton and bernie sanders next week? >> we are learning that tonight. there is a potential meeting next tuesday in new hampshire with hillary clinton and bernie sanders. the -- behind the scenes they've been working on this for quite some time and the details aren't yet worked out. they're holding out hope for a couple of more things and the outcome of a platform meeting, a democratic platform meeting this weekend in orlando, if that goes well, if the sanders campaign gets more things that it's been asking for, they believe that he will appear on tuesday in new hampshire and will, in fact, endorse her. if things don't go well he may not hear. finally, this is coming together. patience is really running thin on some democrats who want to get on with this. she's already appeared with the president, of course, and the vice president come friday, but they want to get this out of the way before the democratic convention which is really just slightly under three weeks away, john. >> jeff zeleny, thanks so much. as you heard there, secretary clinton talked about the property as a great investment and always rigged it, she said so he got paid no matter how badly the company performed. she's been digging into trump's business history. this is what she found with one rub of the genie's lamp, donald trump became the self-proclaimed king of atlantic city. ♪ ♪ >> it was april 1990 when trump opened his third casino in atlantic city, the trump taj mahal to extravagant fanfare and his signature bravado. >> they talked about a million dollars a day. i think, bucky, we've done that in the first few hours. >> within days, trump's new trophy was tarnished. it almost immediately began losing money, but you wouldn't have known it from what trump was saying publicly. he talked to larry king less than three weeks after the opening. >> we've broken every record and we're seeing numbers nobody's ever seen before. it's a great building. >> trump's boasts didn't stop the alarm bells from sounding at the casino control commission. in the summer of 1990 the commission issued an internal report flagging the fact that several of trump's atlantic city casinos were generating an insufficient level of cash flow, pushing the trump organization toward complete financial collapse. >> he didn't run a company that served atlantic city well. he didn't run a company that served investors well. he didn't run a company that served its employees well. he left a lot of damage in his wake. >> tim o'brien documented trump's financial woes for years as a reporter for "the new york times." >> the reality is he got too big to fail and atlantic city couldn't afford to let him run aground because he'd gotten control of such a big part of the market. >> reporter: the financial fallout was felt throughout trump's properties. the castle casino owed $20 million to bond holders in 1909 and as the deadline on that approached, gaming officials expressed concern to the casino control commission about a ripple effect. the casino considered pulling trump's gaming license and feared an industrywide collapse. the commission instead approved a $65 million bailout, the money coming from nine banks. it also put a strict limit on trump's personal spending, budgeting him $450,000 a month for the first year with decreasing amounts for the next five years. ever the outward optimist, donald trump touted the bailout as a win. >> we had a great victory. i'm happy as hell. >> the casino position lachlted the position it was forced into. >> if you have those casinos going out eventually some people will relocate to other casinos and not the entire workforce which constitutes a drain, i would think, economically on atlantic city. >> in 1991, one year after it opened the taj mahal filed for bankruptcy, and trump's other properes in atlantic city followed suit. despite those failures some still credit donald trump for infusing atlantic city with the energy to make it the east coast gambling destination in the '90s. augie renna says trump's early years were the best days here. renna spent four and a half years working at the trump plaza, working as the head of player development. >> he was an excellent leader and an excellent boss. he picks the very best, most knowledgeable and most talented people. >> donald trump defends his bullish business ways. >> i had the good sense, and i've gotten a lot of credit in the financial pages, seven years ago i left atlantic city before it totally cratered, and i made a lot of money in atlantic city, and i'm very proud of it. >> reporter: trump standing by those words saying bankruptcy is effective and a commonly used practice. jessica schneider, cnn, new york. a lot to talk about there. we will thake a quick break and discuss it with our panel when we come back. 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i left seven years ago. >> back now with our panel. patrick heel, the term swift boating comes to mind which in political terms means go after your opponent's perceived strengths. one of his perceived strengths is a businessman and made a lot of money so the clinton campaign is hitting him on his business practices. how far can they go with this? >> they think they can go far. it was a picture-perfect so well-executed campaign for hillary. this is what they do, when the message is bad like with the fbi they go to atlantic city. they stand right in front of that -- of that image and see that trump faded sign and they want to push it just like barack obama planned to go after mitt romney as much as he could about the down sizing of bain, the layoff of workers and this hits people where they live and they bring the message to the undecided voters of pennsylvania, ohio and michigan where donald trump is hoping to make serious inroads and this is a guy who is a billionaire who lives in a penthouse apartment and puts people out of work, cashed out and took the money away and it's a powerful argument. the thing is donald trump has a powerful counter argument about a different narrative about her trust, but he doesn't make it in the same way that she can execute that is so clearly and cleanly. >> as the woman here. >> proudly. >> they hit donald trump on this. do you think they did it less effectively than hillary clinton? >> obviously, they lost. i said for months that they needed to go after his business record and make it more human and bring the human interest stories into this so people could see and hear the actual words and rhetoric that donald trump used in the '80s and '90s to get these casinos and the promises that he made that ended up being completely untrue, and compare that to the same language that he's using and making promises to the american people which will turn out to be untrue also. atlantic city is a microcosm of the trump campaign right now. for example, you know, i hate to agree with hillary clinton. it pains me, but she's 100% right on his business record there. not only did he put people out of work, he put people out of their homes with eminent domain. he lied to the gaming commission down there to the point that they were, like, we don't really believe what you're saying. they almost didn't approve things. his father came in and signed off on the leases from the mafia, by the way. they didn't get into the stories about his ties to the mob in atlantic city, by the way. >> alleged. >> they didn't talk about the fact that they fined his casinos for work discrimination to appease an alleged mafia figure. didn't talk about how he wanted to take over one of the casinos there and promised the gaming commission. let me take over because what happened when he took over? it went bankrupt in a year. >> you must have a different view. >> i suggest you take a look at it. >> no, no, no. it's fact and not conspiracy. >> the atlantic city argument is that people walk down the streets of manhattan and they look up and they see trump towers. they go to the beach in florida and they see mar-a-lago. i went to las vegas and there is trump tower. he has a successful business. he has 500 businesses and one went wrong in atlantic city -- >> five. >> it is a rather good record. he's created a $10 billion enterprise. >> that's not documented. >> and no one has done that. hillary clinton has employed precisely zero. that is the problem with that argument and it's a losing one. >> he lied and schemed and tell that to the people he promised jobs to that didn't get them. tell them to the people in indiana when he promised another riverboat casino there and he would have the thousands of jobs for the local workforce there and none of that came to fruition. tell that to the cabinet makers in atlantic city that worked for him because they believe in the trump name whose family business went out of business because donald trump did not pay them because one of his bankruptcies tell that to the piano salesman who was intimidated paying 70 cents on the dollar because donald trump said he wasn't going to pay him what he wanted. that's real. >> tara, i assume you haven't seen the contracts >> they're in the bankruptcy. they're in the bankruptcy. >> have you seen them? >> yes, i have. i've seen the bankruptcies. >> you haven't sustain contracts. >> so those people are lying? >> trump did not create a $10 billion enterprise by not paying people. >> keep, how did all this get in front of voters? hillary clinton and her campaign and her super pac spent millions and millions of dollars buying tv air time in battle ground states. they're going to flood the airwaves with commercials like the one that jeff described. and donald trump is just so far behind on this. to come one the counter argument as strong as she is making it. >> we have to take a break. he does have new money in the bank. $26 million for his campaign. $25 from the republican party. maybe he will go on the air with a message. we are going to take a quick break. we have some breaking news to discuss. cnn has obtained new video of a police shooting in baton rouge. the images the clearest yet of the final moments of this fatal encounter. don't you dare follow your dreams. think big. or demand your own space. don't you dare leave it all behind. don't you dare ask what's next. introducing the first-ever cadillac xt5. ♪ the fastest food truck min brooklyn. meet mylanta® tonight. it's also fast, but unlike godawgs, it makes heartburn after dinner, history. new mylanta® tonight. faster than heartburn. hello welcome to holiday inn. running our own business, we've been traveling a lot. a hotel looking to help small businesses succeed is incredible. thank you. holiday inn is an extension of our team. book your next journey at holidayinn.com don't bring that mess around here, evan! whoo! don't do it. don't you dare. i don't think so! 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[ bleep ] [ yelling ] [ bleep ] oh! >> you do seem to hear someone shout he's got a gun before the police officer opened fire. it has sparked outrage and now an investigation. martin? from what we know, what led up to the moment we just saw. >> reporter: what led up to it according to authorities, let me tell you, we're outside the triple s mart. this is where all of this happened. a very large crowd on hand like there was last night. tonight there are a number of things going on. a prayer vigil. perhaps you can hear singing behind me. the crowd and the traffic. it has all been very peaceful and the calls have continued to be for people to maintainer to. a lot of people are gathering just to see what happens next. as to your question, it was a phone call, according to authorities, that came into 911 on that monday night that reported a man wearing a red shirt, who apparently had acosted the caller with a gun, threatening him stoex man came in of a man at this food mart threatening people with a gun. that's what police say they were told and that's the attitude they had when they arrived. >> all right. and sterling's family, the man who was killed. they spoke out today. what do they have to say? >> well, they believe this is murder. murder double by the police. they don't believe that there was any justification, either for the action that the authorities took, or even for some of the evidence that the police say they have. there are family member who's don't believe he has a gun. never said that he had a gun. he did talk about needing protection in the neighborhood but his mother said she recommended a knife. they didn't say there was a gun. that's one of the things in great dispute. the family says the video shows and the store owner backs up, that he was not being aggressive and there was no gun in his hands at the time that the police arrived. >> no gun in his hands but maybe in his possession. that's what is in dispute. the officers involved. what's the latest? >> well, they're on administrative leave. that is the standard practice here. and now it is being told that there has been an initial interview done with them. this is in keeping with actually had a is the law in the state of louisiana, and in baton rouge. if officers are involved in any kind of shooting like this, there is an immediate interview that is done of them by detectives. so that's taken place. it took place before the federal authorities got involved. both those officers say they believe their actions are justifiable. we should point out that kind of evidence, those kinds of statements are not admissible. it is merely for police understanding of what happened. >> all right. in front of peaceful protests there. thanks so much. we have lots more to discuss in this two-hour edition of "360." a busy day and night on the campaign trail. hillary clinton and donald trump hammering each other. plus the list for a running mate for trump just got a little shorter. bob corker out of consideration. what is up with that? o gluten, dairy or artificial flavors. so we invented a word that means that. shmorange! and it rhymes with the color of our bottle. to help spread the word, we made t-shirts! reach for the orange, it's 100% shmorange! is happening now at red lobster. summerfest and if you love lobster and shrimp, ...check out all these new entrees. like new coastal lobster and shrimp... ...with summer ale barbeque sauce, ...and new lobster and shrimp overboard. overboard? nah, ...it's just right. so hurry in.
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and more importantly, who know? the focus is the deranged gunman's wife. what did she know and as a result investigators are threatening to charge the wife with a crime most of you have probably never heard of. bring in national security expert jim sciutto with more. this has been involved, this investigation and now more energy around the wife. >> no question. she knew her husband was interested in carrying out a jihadist attack and tried to stop him and has been, went to some of the sites including the pulse nightclub. at the time she said she didn't know she was targeting them for attack. are investigators satisfied? ats they point they are not. the investigation into her is still ongoing but we know she is still a focus. did you know your husband was going to do this? >> reporter: zeroing in on mateen's wife. she knew her husband was interested in carrying out a jihadist attack. >> she has been very cooperative with authorities. >> reporter: she denies knowing anything about the pulse nightclub as a target for the massacre. >> do you think that your daughter-in-law here helped your son commit this crime? >> i don't think so. >> reporter: authorities are now looking into whether she should face charges for knowing about his intentions but not telling police. this as we're getting our first look inside the couple's apartment. clothes and children's toys scattered on the floor. investigators seizes electronic devices from the home as new evidence is emerging that suggests the gunman may have considered other targets. >> suffice it sow say he had probed multiple locations before he chose that, that spot. >> reporter: cnn has learned he visited this disney shopping complex as well as the pulse nightclub, all at the gippingbe the june. his wife traveled with him and attending day gays, attracting thousands lgbt people to disney parks. disney officials told the fbi they believe he was scouting when he visited there with his wife in april as well. >> we are trying to understand his travels in the recent past. >> reporter: the june scouting missions around the same time he purchased the gun he used to carry out the attack. this as we're hearing from first responders at the nightclub. >> i won't forget the steady pow, pow, pow. >> reporter: the lieutenant at the club just a few hundred feet away describes the hundreds trying to escape the barrage of bullets. >> groups of people in front of the fire station, hiding behind the wall, crying and screaming. kind of sick to think about it, but each time he's shooting, he's shooting somebody in there, and what's more, going about his business as methodically at gun range. >> reporter: and we're learning new information about what the killer did in the days leading up to the attack. on may 29th, the killer went and donated blood in fort pierce, florida, not far from here, just days before he carried out an attack that killed 49 people. in this expanding but increasi g increasingly complex of this, police trying to answer so many questions at this pour. >> stay with us. we want to bring in arthur broderick, our cnn law analyst and assistant director of the u.s. martial's office, former. if the wife knew that her husband was interested in carrying out some sort of terror attack, what can she be charged with? >> misprision of a felony and conspiracy. at this point, into day four, the case is well under control by the fbi and the u.s. attorney's office. all of these charges will be federal. she's looking at some serious time here, obviously because of the crime committed, but i think they're very suspicious of the information she's putting forward where she's trying to minimize her involvement in this whole case. >> they're trying to squeeze her. we've had early indications, they're talking to her, they want to figure out who it is, the family. routine. misprision of a felony is not just of interest to lawyers. that law, i've never heard of it being applied in any of these cases. it's off the books in just about every state. it's, you have a legal responsibility to tell authorities if you know a felony is going to be committed. most states don't have that anymore. for them to use that crime is that and indication they're putting the squeeze on her and any counsel around her to let them know they're serious? >> exactly what they're doing. pressuring her to make sure she's telling the truth, coming forward with as much information as she can and this is a usual tactic used at this point four days into the investigation. >> this is important beyond this particular investigation, you'll hear from from law enforcement all the time. they need the help of muslim, including the family . if you see something, hear something, say something. you don't want to antagonize the communities either. it's a tough balance. the implications of this go far beyond this one case. >> that brings us to his father. his father has been talking, a lot, to the media. his father says that he saw the killer at 3:00 p.m. the day of the attack. what do you think they're doing, investigators, with the father? >> doing the same thing they're doing with the wife. i mean, the father seems to be talking quite a bit. when is unusual. i've seen some of the conversations he's had, i'm not sure how much information he can xpli. >> he says he knew nothing. his son was a good kid. if he'd have known something he would have done something. >> this is a very tight family, from what we've seen. he knows something. whether he's going to admit to it or not, you know, he could be facing charges also. >> the suggestion would be he may have known something about his son's state of mind. nobodies saying he knew anything about the incidental of the attacks. one of the reasons he talks a lot, he talks a lot. he does tapes on line about internal politics of afghanistan. he is a talker in the media in general. but with this investigation, to jim's tough, this is a tough balancesing act for them. they're concerned, who might have helped him? one of the reasons you're looking at the wife, going on trips with him, they don't live here. he live in port st. lucie. going on his with these trips and had suspicions, what else was there? who else had suspicions and may have given him materiel support. helped with with the guns. >> how did he pay for the two trips to saudi arabia? pilgrimages? they're looking at this. they have his laptop and discovering details about financial transactions. they'll find out who's on the other end of this transactions as well. >> an af-15, they're not cheap? >> another development, of course, is that he might have been casing disney world? >> yes. >> so they now think that he visited there in april. is that right? >> more than once, frankly. the disney springs resort, which is a downtown disney property here. it's actually interesting, does not have the same security precautions. recently they installed metal detectors, et cetera. disney springs does not. he went there, went to the resort itself with his family in april. >> do you think they can get her for conspiracy? misprision of felony, they have to show knowledge. nots an easy crime to prove. one of the reasons you never hear it. >> conspiracy relatively easy to prove in the federal system. doesn't take a lot. the mere fact he told her he wanted to do this jihadist act and possibly if they can show she had driven somewhere to pick up something, did an overt act, as they say, that's enough for conspiracy. >> another aspect of the investigation, all the pictures of the beautiful kid's room and toys, that kid is in play as well. what happens to a child from a family like this? >> thank you for all the information. president obama, meanwhile, and hillary clinton, they are teaming up against donald trump, they say over his rhetoric around the terror attack. but trump is fighting back. so what can we expect today? think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo we'll come to the zoo! only safelite can fix your windshield anywhere in the us. with our exclusive mobileglassshops. and our one of a kind trueseal technology, for a reliable bond. service that fits your schedule. that's another safelite advantage. ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ (mamost of the show. we missed (woman) and there's no way to restart it. 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what exactly would it change? there's no magic to the phrase "radical islam." it's a political talking point. it's not a strategy. >> reporter: the president's speech, his sharpest rebuke against the presumptive presidential nominee, slamming his rhetoric as dangerous and un-american. >> that's not the america we want. it doesn't reflect our democratic ideals. it won't make us more safe. it will make us less safe. >> reporter: flanked by his national security council including the joint chiefs of staffs, planning to ban muslims moving into the u.s. and the leadership left squirmish under trump's views. >> -- painting all muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists' work for them. >> reporter: trump appears unimpressed. >> nobody at that speech understand anything other than, boy, does he hate donald trump. >> reporter: democrats mounting a calculated one-two punch. >> what donald trump is saying is shameful. >> reporter: with hillary clinton simultaneously unleashing her rebuke of trump in pittsburgh. >> donald suggests i won't call this threat what it is, he hasn't been listening. but i will not demonize and declare war on an entire religion. >> reporter: clinton also denouncing trump's conspiracy theories about president obama after the terror attack as shameful. >> even in a time of divided politics, this is way beyond anything that should be said by someone running for president. >> reporter: almost lost in all of this is the fact that the democratic primary season quietly came to a close last night with hillary clinton winning the last contest in the district of columbia. she and her democratic opponent bernie sanders met and talked last night in washington, flanked by campaign aides on both sides. bernie sanders has not conceded the race. chris? >> joe, as you know, there had been talk bernie might have done very well there. senator sanders, obviously, momentum has shifted. the implications today. ben ferguson and vicari sellars join us. host of the ben ferguson show and vicari a hillary clinton supporter. now, this general election as it shapes up will become about moments, and tests of these two and how they respond. we saw it with judge curiel. we now have polls coming out of that snaincident that do not reflect what's happened here in orlando. put up the bloomberg number, there's a change. clinton popping up. 49-37. 9, gary johnson. the third party libertarian, obviously. so the state of play after orlando. ben, do you believe that this is a situation that should be playing well for donald trump? and do you believe that it is playing well? >> well, i think most americans, as you see in these polls have have come out, trust donald trump more on national security than hillary clinton. to prove that point, look at the rhetoric yesterday. a president that comes out on a simultaneous attack on donald trump and say donald trump is dangerous, unfit to be president. a simple time making it clear this disdain for donald trump. i wish they would use that exact same focus when talking about isis and terrorists whether homegrown or foreign, and i think the american people see this. you have a president that literally said, i'm not calling them islamic terrorists because it's just rhetoric but uses the same, tough language when talking about donald trump as if it's somehow different. why can't it be the same focus on both issues? i just wish hillary clinton yesterday would have been as focused on isis as she is on donald trump. >> i mean, that -- >> what's your response to that? >> that argument was ludicrous. the reason you can't use that same language refers to islam, you can't bastardize an entire religion. >> i said radicalism. >> i understand. you know you need them in this fight against terror. back to this poll, what you see is that americans, ever since hillary clinton has began to frame donald trump with that speech in san diego, showing that he was temperamentally unfit, showing that he's a loose cannon. you just don't know what he's going to say, and you're seeing that again over and over again. i feel bad for paul ryan in a proverbial pretzel every time trump has something to say. the key point, a very high number of women in the country who say they could never vote for donald trump. i think what we're seeing -- >> right, but -- >> what we're seeing right no is donald trump -- >> yeah, i'm going to bring you in, ben. okay. i got you, but remember, this is one moment in time. that's why we look at polls for that. they don't tell us where we're going to be going forward. ben, to your point, i've heard you make the case that bakari is caking against donald trump in the primaries. what is giving you new confidence in his competence? >> i think he understands the threat to the country and willing to call that threat what it actually is. the same way that barack obama and hillary clinton are so focused on, they say the threat of donald trump. donald trump has clarity here, and he's honest with us. we have a problem with islamic extremism in this country. he's willing to talk about the mosque that helped i think probably radicalize this individual and the only other american suicide bomber that went overseas and blew himself up. that you can't be politically correct when dealing with people will be to blow themselves up and go on rampages in this way. and yet yesterday, the only focus point we saw from hillary clinton was an attack on donald trump. not on the extremists, not on the terrorist. let me be clear. bakari tried to make it sound like i was saying earlier all muslims were bad? no. i made it very clear and so is donald trump on this one. there is a radical islamic extremist problem and when the president talks about that he mocks at his talking points. this is real tear arrorism and people die from it. >> you guys are taking too long to make simple points. let's try to advance the conversation. that's what the president said he was trying to do yesterday, bakari, explain why he didn't want to blame an entire faith, stick with the threat and obviously knows the threat, he's been fighting it so intensely. a lot of people came away from it the way ben ferguson is coming away from it. didn't quite get them where they needed to be in terms of feeling he was all over this threat and angry about it. >> i don't think there's any doubt our president of the united states is angry or doubt that our president of the united states's heart is broken over the 49 people massacred in orlando, but the president also understands that donald trump no longer speaks as just some billionaire from queens running for president of the united states. he actually is a standard bearer for one of largest political parties in our country and views donald trump for what he is. an existential threat to this country not helping this discussion out. further, if we're going to have this discussion, chris, how do we move the ball forward when addressing terrorism? it's not about the verbiage. you don't see people going back and calling dylann roof a radical christian, or radical christianity. that doesn't address the problem. it's a problem of gun control and one even more specific we have to deal with, which is isil and isis being able to radicalize over the airwaves, ben, bakari, important conversation to have. appreciate it, as always. a lot of breaking news this morning. not just the turns in the investigation here in orlando but this other horrible story coming out of this area. this family from nebraska was on vacation at disney world. the happiest place on earth, and their 2-year-old is playing around by a lagoon, and an alligator comes out of nowhere and takes the kid. now they're searching for the child. the parents got involved, trying to fight. we have animal experts trying to help us understand how this could happen, next. or a man of culture who's out for adventure. you know when to hit the scene... or get far away from it. because it's all about striking... the perfect form. beat yesterday with fenix 3 hr. from garmin. there's a situation going on right now here in orlando. we've been telling you about it. this family from nebraska, their toddler was taken by an alligator at disney world. >> the toddler was wading along, just the very edge of a lagoon, and there were signs up that said, no swimming. as we understand it, not signs that said alligator infested. here is the sheriff holding a press conference. let's listen. i don't know if we can hear him yet. >> trying to get the latest. they're searching for the child. confusion what they think they'll gore they're going to find. let's find out. >> -- public information officer nick, executive director of florida fish and wildlife conservation. >> nick wiley. >> is everyone ready? anyone not ready? >> go ahead. >> last night maultiple authorities searched the lake to no avail. the 2-year-old child has not been located. we kept multiple deputies on scene noev overnight. more coming in this morning, fresh eyes to give another fresh look at the water. we'll have deputies in the air as well. we will continue this still as a search and rescue operation. still a search and rescue operation. we are very hopeful, hoping for the best. sometimes you get the worst, but we're certainly hoping for the best. counselors and victim advocates remain with the family through the night and are still there with them today and i'm sure that will take place over the next several days. we will continue the search with the cooperation of the florida fish and wildlife commission, and right now we're going to bring in fresh eyes, some additional personnel to continue with the search. as you know, it took place last night at about 9:00 p.m. we received this call. the fish and wildlife commission showed up as did others. we determined this 2-year-old child was playing at the edge of the water, a foot or so into the water, when this alligator came up, attacked the child. the father did his best. tried to rescue the child, however, to no avail. there was a lifeguard on duty as well. the lifeguard, however, was not able to render much aid, too far away, apparently, and the gator swam away with the child, unfortunately. as i said, we have not been able to locate that child. we will continue the search throughout the course of the evening. i'm going to turn it over to mr. wiley from fish and wildlife for more perspective. >> thank you and we appreciate orange county sheriff's department and how you responded in our partnership and, first, our thoughts and prayers are with the family and we do want to keep hope and we want to continue doing everything possible, state and county government, working to find this young child, and we are going to do everything we can to support them and also support our partners here at disney. >> what can you tell us about the last time there was report of a gator in the -- >> were don't have details on the latest report. we know that, we work very closely with disney to remove nuisance alligators readily as their observed and recorded. so we have a very good, close relationship, working relationship with them in that regard. >> how often do you do that? >> it's hard to say. it's still early and we're really focused on trying to find that little boy. >> what about the signs -- talking about -- >> -- in general. >> it's not common. rare for people to be attacked by alligators. it's very rare in florida or anywhere where you find alligators. >> how's the family holding up? >> and from the -- [ inaudible ] was the boy allowed to be in the water? [ inaudible ]. >> i'm really not familiar with what the rules are in that regard. >> the sign says, no swimming. the only alert is no swimming. no other sign that alerts for anything else other than no swimming. >> so why is there a lifeguard? >> he was on the edge of the water. no swimming. my understanding, he was not swimming. >> how likely was the gator was anywhere near or do they generally travel -- >> we have alligators in all freshwater across florida. you could encounter an alligator -- they move around. they move around. so it's really hard to say that one would be there at in particular amount of time. there's a sign for no swimming. how often does that occur? >> i'm not familiar with the parameters for swimming or not swimming in that area. again, we're still focused on trying to find that young boy. >> how likely is it you'll be able to find this gator anywhere near here, or the child? >> i'm optimistic we'll find -- we'll have some success, but it may take some time. >> and the -- >> attacked recently, the people [ inaudible ]. >> it's too early to get into those kind of speculations about what may have happened. we still just need to focus on trying to find the child. >> and you are saying that you're hopeful, obviously, everyone hopes this turns out -- [ inaudible ] the sheriff last night was talking about realistic issues, though. realistically, this is not looking good. am i correct? this many hours afterwards? >> you're asking a fourth quarter question in the first quarter. embryonic early searches of this. at this particular point in time we're not focused on what's the outcome going to be. right now we're searching hopefully for a little boy to bring a family some comfort. we're not talking about what may happen down the road. we're focusing on the here, the now, the today. that's where we are today. we're not going any further than that. >> how long -- [ inaudible ]. >> all right. listening to a press conference there with fish and wildlife authorities as well as the sheriff there. they don't have much information at this -- >> no. trying to keep hope -- look, a great disposition to have. i'm sure people are managing the expectations of this family, but there's just no good news that can come out of this. >> we want to bring in jeff corwin, animal expert and host of abc's "ocean mystery's" host. jeff what a sickening story to wake up to. the idea this family was, on the edge of this lagoon. it was a lagoon at their hotel. it was a man-made lagoon. how surprising is it that there was an alligator in there? >> oh, my goodness. this is just absolutely gut wrenching, and it is surprising that so close to a highly regulated area that this could happen, but keep in mind, that today there are many, many millions of alligators in florida. the walt disney complex is gigantic. it consists of thousands of acres. a lot of that is remote, inaccessible brush, swamps and riverlets. it's not impossible for a large gator or even a medium sized gator to be under the radar screen and sort of find its way into the scenario. what really surprises me is i'm hearing that this alligator was under six feet. it is very rare for an alligator just a couple of meters in length to attack a human being, but a child is very small. >> so, also, jeff, help people understand what this father was up against. this, you know, is -- you put it any way you want. if you're a parent, this is one of those scenarios where you wonder what you'd do if you were ever in the situation. once this alligator gets ahold of the child, what are you up against in trying to get it back? >> chris, when human beings often find themselves, hopefully rarely find themselves in this situation, what kicks in is the anonomic fight and flight complex. it will not impossible to manage an alligator five or six feet, but you have to know what you're doing. and alligators are incredibly determined predators. they're pound per pound square inch of pressure, chris, in their jaws is many thousands of pounds. so it is almost impossible to physically open up an alligator's jaw once its exercised and closed down the abductor muscle. incredibly strong animal and once it goes into predatory mode, it's really hard to manage. i can't imagine the terror on these people's minds trying to manage this. >> jeff, we just heard the authorities there at fish and wildlife saying they were hopeful they would find the boy. obviously, they were not saying they would find him alive but hopeful and still searching, and what do you think the chances are that they will find the boy? >> i think the chances are good that they will find remains of this -- this terrible tragedy, and this poor child. they're on site. they know where this happened. again, children are very, very small. this is a 2-year-old child. you're talking about a human being weighing 15, 20 pounds. it is not impossible there are other gators in this area. as the fish and wildlife officer mentioned, oftentimes an area is where you have human beings and known alligators that will often remove those alligators when they become big enough to pose as a threat. clearly, this did not happen. a lot of times in florida, people becoming too comfortable. see the baby alligator which they go down to the fishing hole. they field the ducks, feed the alligator. the alligators becomes very familiar, in the past, this is how tragedies happen. not to is a that's what happened here. >> this is still search and rescue. let's see what happens with that. no reason to speculate. it only goes in a bad direction. let's look at the situation of why this happened. okay. it says, no swimming. this is a place where you can hang out there. i've been on vacation at the grand floridian. people go from all over the world. says no swimming but there's a lifeguard. why? legally they probably know, foreseeable, people will ignore the sign, and disney knows to have a lifeguard there. should people say, no alligators? is that the situation you would expect? >> i imagine in this situation so close, i believe to the grand floridian hotel, i think in a situation like this, they probably managed this lagoon. i also believe, correct me if i'm wrong, that this is a man-made lagoon. a man-made aquatic structure. i think they were on this and had not seen anything that posed as a significant threat. also, it is not impossible for alligators to be in ambush predators. often wait at the edge of the waterline with their bodies, a 12,-foot alligators can be completely submerged with only about three inches of its eyes above the water and will sit and wait and ambush their predator, and drag it to a watery grave. and that is often how these animals will get raccoons, deer, birds. and in this case, this child was not swimming in the water, it could be very well how he was tragically dispatched. >> oh, my gosh. jeff corwin, thank you very much for giving us all of your expertise with this unfolding disaster that obviously we will bring all the developments to the viewers. thank you so much, jeff. >> hearts go out to these parents. young parents from nebraska. they got a little girl and a little boy and now just waiting like everybody else. >> back to the story that we have been here days covering nap is the attack that happened at the pulse nightclub behind us. we're learning so much more about the victims including this couple whose love inspired everyone. they sound like a remarkable couple. now they will be buried together. we're going to tell their heartbreaking yet inspiring story. it was told to us exclusively by ten of their best friends. that's coming up, next. wanna drink more water? 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"may i be excused?" get the new xfinity tv app and for the first time ever stream live tv, watch on demand, and download your dvr shows anywhere. it is hard to get your mind around the enormity of the loss here at the pulse nightclub that you see behind me. 49 separate lives lost. and we've been learning about the special details of each one of those lives. now, two of the victims seemed to be best known for their love of each other. i sat town for an exclusive interview with ten friends of christopher drew leinonen, known at drew, and juan ramon guerrero. the friends told us about how that love between them inspired all of them. but their story starts with the terror and chaos at the nightclub. >> how many of you were in the club that night? okay. what happened, brandon? >> i think we were ready to leave. it was about time to close, but their favorite thing to do is dance and eric and i had to go to the bathroom so we let them know we would go to the bathroom and be right back. and we went to the bathroom and that's when we heard the first shots fired. and at first we didn't know what was happening and kind of looked at each other and said what is that? i was like, i'm not sure. it sounds like the music is broken or something. and -- then people started piling in the bathroom. and you could smell this -- scent of blood and smoke and -- and then my eyes got really big and i looked and said we have to leave, we have to get out of here. and -- they wanted to stay in the bathroom, and people were kind of debating back and forth about what we should do, but i thought it was not safe. so we all grabbed hands and ran for the door as fast as we could and we didn't look for anybody, we didn't want to see anything, we just ran for the door. >> i remember being in the corner. i had a woman to the left of me crouched down. brandon was on the other side. and -- once everything, like -- once everything stopped, and everyone started to peek out, that's when everything started again, and then we all just ran. and -- just tried y to get away >> that circle of us, trying to look around making sure everybody with us was still there. doing a head check. it wasn't until we got, maybe, like two blocks away that i turned to eric and i said -- they're still in there. and i wanted to go back so bad. but it was too late by then. >> so in the chaos, you didn't know where they were? do you remember the place that you last saw them, or what you were last doing when you were all together? >> yeah. i remember actually right before we made it to the dance floor. we were standing outside. and we were all chatting with each other, having, like, sentimental time, because when drew has a couple drinks he feels like getting sentimental, and he turned to me and in the last conversation we had, he said, you know, something we never do enough is tell each other that we love each oh. so i just want to tell you that i love you so much. almost like he knew what was going to happen, but he didn't, and i says, ah, you're being cheesy. he said, no, but i really love you, and we just hugged for a minute. i said, i love you, too, and then we went inside to dance. >> did you know or did you see that juan was taken to the hospital? were you aware of that? >> we didn't see him. but i had another friend who was inside the club that i'd seen that night, and i just said, you know, did you see anything? have you seen anyone? he said, i think i saw juan. and i said, is he okay? and he said, i don't know. he's on a stretcher. i know he's been shot. and i said, please tell me you've seen drew. he said, i haven't seen drew. we just waited all night, and he didn't see anything. >> drew, correct me if i'm wrong, was one of last people, his whereabouts to be known. for all of you, what wases that like? >> frustrating. angry. i just don't understand why him of all people would be released last when so many people know who he is. so many people had his picture. multiple pictures. multiple accounts. it doesn't make any sense to me. why would you leave my friend inside of a club over a day deceased and not let us know what's -- where he is? if he's in there. we didn't know if he was one of the people comatose or being worked on. there was no word. >> i think the most difficult thing for us was seeing all of our friends from around the country at candlelight vigils leaving a space for both of them and we still have a tiny shred of hope that he might be okay. >> right. >> uh-huh. >> and we're just holding each other for so long, just praying. >> hours and hours and hours passed and finally one lichtest names of people at another hospital and one of the lockelo moments of my life. no drew, no juan and after hearing from brandon that he heard from his friend that juan was taken in, we all naively thought he would saurvive. juan is okay. he's at the hospital, going to be okay and juan's name was one of the first people that died. i couldn't believe it. none of us could. >> so that, that 24 hours or more when you didn't know what was up, was there a klimmer eg hope? how were you processing all this all that time when you didn't know? >> i think one of the hardest parts about that was on social media a lot of people were speculating and even news outlets releasing their own opinions. one minute we would hear official he was among the deceased and the next minute we would hear, no. he's okay. someone saw him. he's posted -- he's posted from his account on social media. someone even said at one point. >> yeah, just like roller coaster of emotion. >> thinking, one minute you're telling yourself, i have to come to terms that my best friend is gone. and then the next minute you're telling yourself, but he could be there. we could hold out hope. maybe dropped his phone. you start rationalizing it. you drive yourself absolutely crazy. >> this is just an incredibly close-knit group of friends, and they described drew, who they lost, as sort of the center of the spoke. you know, he was such a connector, and that love that the couple had, they talked about which we'll play for you coming up from an -- an hour from now what that meant. their relationship. also i should mention the friends have a gofundme page they put together to pay for the funerals and for counseling and things like that. go right here to donate. they were hoping to get $25,000. of course, people's generosity has already brought it up agov that number. >> hearing about what made them special always helps. the frustrations that those young folks were communicating to you are very common. this is an unimaginable task for investigators. i've been at scenes like this. watch them be processed. they were dealing with dozens and dozens of people, and just to figure out who's alive and who isn't, to identify, it's so painstaking. we heard that attorney general say two days in they'd only identified, and communicated, with two-thirds of the families. >> of course. the waiting. we've always heard, is the hardest part. >> yes. all right. so when we're dealing with what happened here in orlando, we start to try to figure out how to make sense of it to learn going forward. what do we know about what our emerging propaganda tools for terrorists. things that could attract a deranged person like the murderer here in orlando? 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and what does it mean about the propaganda exploits we're now going to see from terrorists? let's discuss. cnn national security analyst juliette kyam and cnn terrorist analyst paul crouickshank. not is new. targeting a police officer in their home, brazen, but taking the kid hostage and wanting to film it. wanting this to be on video, online and saying that may have been done by design. what does it mean to you? >> it means that they want as much publicity as possible. it means that they're using new apps, new technology to make themselves known, and it means that they are going after individuals that represent public safety, law enforcement. in ways we never could imagine. it's happened before, but the intimacy, someone who's been in national security, the intimacy of someone target you, your wife, hold your child, it's terrifying and terrifying to the rest of the public safety community. >> here in the u.s., paul, this is going to sound kind of like a story we covered here where a journalist was taken out by someone she used to work with and he was trying to put it on facebook also, but that was about just straight madness in that -- the mind of that man. this seems to be a propaganda tool. what do you know about its development and its effect? >> chris, this was the first-ever terrorist attack in the west where a perpetrator broadcast live from the scene of the crime. he was broadcasting live after killing those two police officers while he was with the child, holding the child hostage, and with the police just outside poised to come in. there were people watching that live feed in realtime. i think this is going to be likely the wave of the future when it comes to terrorist attacks. that terrorist groups, individuals who have been radicalized will exploit this new technology, these new apps, 4g, fast data networks, to record terrorist attacks in realtime. isis and its followers want to do this because they want to maximize the impact and realize by broadcasting images live there is nothing at all authorities will be able to do to take them off the internet and prevent them coming out, because they're already out there, the followers of these people on facebook have already managed to record it and that's exactly what isis did in this case, and they then broadcast and edited version. >> paul, also mention this terrorist before taken out mentioned euro 2016. obviously a big, big football or soccer tournament. it's a big security consideration already, but authorities are taking that as a greater indication? >> yes. he said that the euro 2016 soccer championships were going to be turned into a cemetery. there have already been indications that isis wants to target this event, the so-called man in the hat in brussels airport told investigators that was the aultimate attack, they wanted to hit the championships. every game at euro 2016 is watched by a global television audience of more nan 150 million people. so isis realized the eyes of the world are on france and want to hit this tournament. i was talking to a senior official european counterterrorism official who said the terrorist threat is more acute against these championships than any other event in the history of international sporting events. chris? >> all right, paul. last thought here for now, juliette. what does this do to the authorities protocols and their mind-set in dealing with potential events? >> well, i think there's going to be a lot more focus on protecting identities of law enforcement, counterterrorism safety officials. we tend to do that in the united states. don't be listed or have your address out. for law enforcement, though, they have to ignore the live feed. they have to go in or not go in to maximize life and can't be thinking about the show isis is trying to put on. it's a very hard thing to do but given these apps and the fact as paul said this is going to be isiss m.o. for a while, they have to just act as if they're not live. >> and also, it raises the issue of cooperation between corporate and government funkctions here. >> right. >> we are following a lot of news out of orlando. thank you both. a horrible story here. a toddler attacked by an alligator at a disney resort. this family forced to watch it unfold. let's get to it. a 2-year-old boy snatch chd and dragged away by an alligator at disney's grand floridian resort. >> the father tried to grab the child, was not successful. >> with each hour that passes by hopes grow dimmer and dimmer. we have a radical islamist terrorism problem, folks. >> it's a political talking point. it's not a strategy. >> in the end, it didn't matter what we called bin laden. it mattered that we got bin laden. >> president obama, he was more angry at me than he was at the shooter. >> did you know your husband was going to do this? >> authorities are zeroing in on the killer's wife. >> his entire profile is being studied. >> he was at multiple locations before he chose that spot. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. good morning. welcome to your "new day." we are live in orlando, and we begin with breaking news out of walt disney world. we have this search going on right now for a toddler. he, his parents, his sister, were from nebraska. they're at the disney resort. he's playing in a lagoon and all of a sudden an alligator comes up and takes him. >> the father tried desperately to save his son, jumping in the water, trying to wrestle with the alligator, as horrified vacationers were watching all of this. i mean, you just can't imagine this scene unfolding in front of you and all of this set against orlando and the backdrop of all the grief they're already dealing with because of the pulse nightclub attack. so we want to get right now to boris sanchez, live with all of the great laking details of this alligator attack. boris, what do you know? >> reporter: alisyn, you said it best. it is unimaginable that a family would have to deal with something like this. we just wrapped up a press briefing, sadly, with no information as to the whereabouts of this toddler but officials gave two important bits of information. calling this a search and rescue operation. it has not moved into the recovery phase yet. so they are still holding out hope they will find this young boy. aside from that, they also tell us they have removed four alligators from the lagoon where the young boy was snatched, and are now examining those alligators to find any evidence they may have been involved in the attack. again, it's just brutal for this family to have to deal with this. they're on vacation. at what's supposed to be the heaviest place on earth and now confronted face to face with a horrible tragedy. a luxury disney resort at orlando, a search underway. by land and in the water for a 2-year-old boy snatched and dragged away by an alligator at disney's grand floridian resort. the toddler wading near the shore of a man-made lake with his family nearby. the tragic incident occurring shortly after 9:00 p.m. according to law enforcement officials. social media lighting up with horrified disneygoers watching the frantic search unfold. police putting up yellow tape outside the grand floridian directly across from the magic kingdom in orlando and praying for this family. disney is fully cooperating with the investigation. >> everyone here at the walt disney world resort is devastated by this tragic accident. our thoughts are with the family. we are helping the family and doing everything we can to assist law enforcement. >> reporter: with each passing hour, a harsh reality is setting in for rescuers desperately trying to find this young boy. >> we're not leaving until we recover the child. >> all right. let's find out what's happening right now. we have nick wiley, executive director of florida fish and wildlife commission joining us. nick, thank you. saw you on tv before doing the presser and know you're busy monitoring this. appreciate your time. what are you expecting to happen right now? what is the status? >> well, right now we have boats on the water. we have dive teams coming in. we've got every piece of technology, equipment and support we can bring to bear, and we're just aggressively out there, as the sun comes up, we can see better, we're going to stay on top of this and do everything we can to find this boy and try to support this family. >> is there any hope at this point that it is a rescue? we heard the sheriff say earlier this is still certain and rescue, not recovery. where's your head on that? >> we're going to maintain hope. we're going to hang on to that hope and -- and we're going to keep looking as hard as we can. >> the fact this is a man-made lagoon, obviously what we want to figure out how this happened, why this happened. man-made does that help you at all in terms of what the bottom structure is of this body of water? we do know that alligators do that with prey, radio it right? they take prey and hide it under water. it the search made easier because this is a man-made lagoon? >> i wouldn't say easier. the water is pretty clear. we do have aquatic vegetation that can get in the way. it's got a pretty sandy bottom. so, you know, i wouldn't say it's going to be easy, but i do believe we're going to -- we've got the right people out there, professionals doing this job, and we're going to do our best it find the child. >> what's the reality? obviously there's a measure of shock that at disney world, a man-made lagoon, where people are going to be around, had an alligator in it, but in your experience, what's the reality about where you find alligators in florida? >> well, we tell people that you know, florida is safe, and these kind of thing, extremely rare. but you do have to be aware. anytime you're in freshwater in a freshwater lake, pond, marsh, river in florida, you can have alligators. they can move around, and so it's not unusual to see alligators. what's unusual is to have one attack like this. >> especially a smaller one. right? you were saying that that estimates from people who were there put it around four to six feet and attacking, usually something you see from a bigger alligator. now, we also hear that it's not just about one alligator. that you have found multiple alligators already. is that a surprise to you? how many, and i guess you figure there could be more? >> no, the not a surprise that we found a handful of alligators in this area. there, again -- they're common in florida, and i wouldn't say there's an unusual number there, but we just have to work through this, and anytime we can catch an alligator to further investigate and find out if it was involved that's what we're going to try to do. >> there was a no swimming sign. we'd heard earlier reports there was a lifeguard there, and we now understand the lifeguard was from a nearby pool, heard the commotion and came to help. remove that element. but there wasn't a sign that said, "beware, alligators." is that something sma shouometht should be posted at all of these waters whether man-made or not? >> i know disney is aggressive about taking out alligators and working close to us and signage can only do so much. i think we're going to take a look at this and i know disney will. if there's anything we can do better we will. but i know disney is doing everything they can to provide a safe experience and we're going to do keep doing everything we can to help them. >> all right. nick, i appreciate you being with us. good luck with the search. we hope it ends soon. thank you. >> thank you, chris. >> okay. the gunman who killed 49 people at that gay nightclub behind us may have also been targeting walt disney world. authorities say he staked out both locations. justice department investigation authorities want to know what the wife knew, and may be prepared to file charges. cnn's jim sciutto joins us now with the latest. >> we know she's the target of an investigation. no conclusions but they're looking into her. she told investigators she knew he was thinking about carrying out a jihadist attack and tried to stop him. told investigators she traveled with him to some of these possible targets including the pulse nightclub including the days leading up to the event inlewding the disney property and did not know at the time he was considering them as targets. are those answers clear to investigators? clearly, not yet. no conclusions but she is not a target of their investigation. >> did you know your husband was going to do this? >> reporter: this morning authorities are zeroing in on the killer's wife, 30-year-old noor salman. a law enforcement official says she admits she knew about her husband's interest in carrying out a jihadist attack. >> she has been very cooperative with the authorities. >> reporter: salman claiming she tried to dissuade him from doing anything violent, according to the fbi. denies knowing anything about the pulse nightclub as a target for the massacre. >> do you think that your daughter-in-law here helped your son commit this crime? >> i don't think so. >> reporter: authorities are now looking into whether she should face charges for knowing about his intentions, but not telling police. this as we're getting our first look inside the couple's apartment. clothes and children's toys scattered on the floor. investigators seizing electronic devices from the home as new evidence is emerging that suggests the gunman may have considered other targets. >> suffice it to say he had probed multiple locations before he chose that, that spot. >> reporter: cnn learned he visited this disney shopping complex as well as the pulse nightclub, all at the beginning of june. investigators say his wife traveled with him. the dates coinciding with gay days and an annual event that "tracts thousands of lgbt people to disney parks. disney security officials told the fbi they believed the shooter was scouting the disney world park when he visited there with his wife in april as well. >> we are trying to understand all of this travels in the recent past. >> reporter: the june scouting missions occurring around the same time as when the killer purchased the weapons he used to carry out the attack. this as we are now hearing from first responders at the nightclub. >> i won't forget the -- steady pow, pow, pow. >> reporter: the lieutenant at the fire station just 300 feet away from the club describing the hundreds of clubgoers frantically trying to escape the barrage of bullets. >> there was groups of people in front of the fire station hiding behind the wall over there crying and screaming. kind of sick to think about it, but each time he's shooting he's shooting somebody in there and what's more, going about his business as methodically as at gun range. >> reporter: the fbi is also looking into its own process. it had the shooter under investigation. took him off investigation. of course, this horrible thing happened, but we also know this -- today the fbi what have 1,000 investigations underway of possible suspected jihadis here in this country. we know that they consider about 50 to 100 of them the highest priority cases. this is the challenge that they're faced with. they have to make judgment calls all the time as to who to keep under investigation, who not to with imperfect information, it's a really, really difficult job. >> and only have to get it wrong once for something like this to happen. >> absolutely. >> stand by. coming up, talking more about the killer's wife. what does she know and will she face charges? 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zzzquil: a non-habit forming sleep-aid that's not for pain, just for sleep. this morning investigators continue their focus on the orlando terrorist's wife. what did she know about the attack? we're also learning that the killer scouted disney world before the attack behind me. so joining us now is cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto and bob beyer, great to have you both with us. bob, if the killer's wife knew he was interested in a jihadist attack what can they charge her with? >> complicity. supporting terrorism. if she, in fact, drove him to the site in case, bought weapons, bought ammunition. >> what if he said there's an interesting pla is in orlando. let's take a drive this weekend. what about that? >> she's lying. i mean, you just -- you know, within the family it's generally known what's going through somebody's mind. he was close to this woman. he probably confided in her. ooi i've never seen these attacks where a small group was consulted. >> and she said she knew he was considering an attack and tried to dissuade him. this did not come out of nowhere. >> jim, when you talk to investigators is there charges are pending? >> we know an investigation is underway. they haven't reached that conclusion yet. 234e ha they have to essentially decide this question, did she know enough to come to police and warn them something was about to happen. that's a judgment call. depends on the law. they have something, they're clearly investigating. >> the father, very close to the son, speaking to the media. he is a media personality. had a youtube channel. might the parents were charged with something? >> i've usually seen wives, brothers, sisters, brought into the plot. sometimes parents know. he has made statements supporting the taliban. that doesn't mean it's terrorism. he may or may not have known. what's important when they get into the mehta data. inside the club texting somebody, or right before, this could mca much wider investigation. you would want somebody watching to tell you when the police are coming. they're going to get a lot of information off the telephone and computer. >> and in the first reports, there were reports that there was an accomplice somehow. those were then shied away from. those first reports. is there thinking now there was some other help that night? >> it terms of an accomplice, no, not yet. e heard eyewitness accounts, someone was blocking the door and thought there was another perpetrator there. often eyewitness accounts are wrong, it's a moment of panic, that kind of thing. listen, after an attack like this, one of the focuses is on the wife, that doesn't mean they've eliminated other possibilities. >> bob, also new information today he was casing disney world. that he had visited disney world. that seems to have been a harder target. isn't it? >> it's a much harder target, the crowds are confined. when you start shooting, people start running. to think -- if they can run -- >> more people, more places to go. >> you really can't hit anybody with a gun if they're running very fast. it's very, very difficult. if they're scattering, the casualties much less. the question is how did he know that? how did he think through that? you know, he did go to saudi arabia twice. we still do not have any firm grasp of what he was doing there. did he meet somebody? did he go to a sheikh to get permission, there's a lot of unanswered question that are very, very important. >> and clearly something particular about the pulse nightclub. he went to disney in april. went to this other disney resort in june. but from witnesses in that club, and people who go think hege regularly, he went to pulse nightclub multiple times over several years and then the personal aspect. thoughts he may have been gay. there was a personal aspect of homophobia, self-loathing homophobe yao thia that plays a. >> and the reason that investigators have gone down that route, they found he was on gay dating apps? >> another thing they're investigating as well. listen, there's another interpretation. was he on those apps to meet people to further case out the place? that's a possibility. but the number of visits there combined with that, that creates the possibility of another narrative. >> this is fairly typical for a jihadi, a radical muslim, to put his past behind him. he's ashamed. it's very transgressive in islam. homosexual relationships. >> meaning if he had some sort of homosexual tendencies what would happen, in your experience? >> he would completely turn a switch in his mind and say i've got to put my past behind me, and in this sense, if he was homosexual, he was breaking with his past, and turning to god. this would be one way to overcome the shame within his framework. >> there's also reports that weeks before this horrific attack he gave blood. what do investigators think about this? that he would do this generous altruistic act right before a massac massacre? >> they just don't know. timing incredible. may 29ble, less than two weeks before the attack gives blood. magnanimous act before you kill 49 people. so they don't know yet, but it, again, it's part of this broader increasingly confusing picture of his motivations. right? you have the pledging of allegiance to isis but also a personal past. bob knows this issue well, could have been part of the narrative that led to do what he did. >> and people are psychopaths in a sense and carry on normal lives's they make calls, they joke with people. they act completely normal right up to the act, and then once they get into the shooting, they're very cold-blooded. there's no empathy left in these people and that's why he was able to shoot people on the ground. i mean, most normal people, machine gun in place, would panic. he didn't. very -- he had lost any empathy at that point. >> laughing, some witnesses said, as he was killing. >> bob, jim, thank you for all of that background. well, there are politics, of course, connected to all this. president obama and hillary clinton now seem to be joinings for forces to combat what donald trump has said about this attack. how is the battle uniting democrats? 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"may i be excused?" get the new xfinity tv app and for the first time ever stream live tv, watch on demand, and download your dvr shows anywhere. hillary clinton and president obama teaming up to lash out at donald trump. they call trump's rhetoric "dangerous." the presumptive gop nominee, as you might expect, hitting right back. cnn's joe johns is live with more. hi, joe. >> reporter: hitting hard, too, alisyn. the massacre in orlando is now front and center in the race for the white house. and what's so remarkable about this is that president obama himself has now stepped into the back and forth. his angry response to dnt's attacks in concert with a speech by hillary clinton and now trump's rebuttal last night. the latest signs there's a bitter period ahead in u.s. politics between now and november. donald trump going after president obama. . i watched president obama today, and he was more angry at me than he was at the shooter. >> reporter: accusing the president of being angrier at him than the man who carried out the terror attack at a gay nightclub in orlando. >> the level of anger, that's the kind of anger he should have for the shooter and these killers that shouldn't be here. >> reporter: trump lashing out just hours after president obama's fiery speech defending his strategy against isis, and his refusal to use the term "radical islam." >> that's the key, they tell us. we can't beat isil unless we call them radical islamists. what exactly would using this label accomplish? what exactly would it change? there's no magic to the phrase "radical islam." it's a political talking point. it's not a strategy. >> reporter: the president's speech, his sharpest rebuke against the presumptive presidential nominee, slamming his rhetoric as dangerous and un-american. >> that's not the america we want. it doesn't reflect our democratic ideals. it won't make us more safe. it will make us less safe. >> reporter: flanked by his national security council including the non-partisan chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the president planning to ban muslims moving into the u.s. and calling out the leadership left squirming under trump's views. >> if we paint all muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists' work for them. >> reporter: trump appearing unimpress unimpressed. >> nobody at that speech understand anything other than, boy, does he hate donald trump. >> reporter: democrats mounting a calculated one-two punch. >> what donald trump is saying is shameful. >> reporter: with hillary clinton simultaneously unleashing her rebuke of trump in pittsburgh. >> donald suggests i won't call this threat what it is, he hasn't been listening. but i will not demonize and declare war on an entire religion. >> reporter: clinton also denouncing trump's conspiracy theories about president obama after the terror attack as shameful. >> even in a time of divided politics, this is way beyond anything that should be said by someone running for president. >> reporter: almost lost in the middle of all of this back and forth is the fact that the democratic primary season quietly came to a close last night with hillary clinton winning the last contest here in the district of columbia. she and her democratic opponent bernie sanders met and talked last night in washington, flanked by campaign aides on both sides. bernie sanders has not conceded the race. chris? >> all right. the politics of terror in the midst of no sign of action, in the wake of orlando of any kind, on any issue. so let's test the implications of what's going on here. gop leaders are having to deal with what trump said about the president, and about this situation. let's discuss with republican congressman steve king of iowa. congressman, good to see you. i am sorry it's in such a terrible time, that the country is experiencing, but it matters, and i'm hearing from a lot of people in your party, higher ups as well, stop saying, "we." they keep saying. say trump. don't say, "we." we don't own everything he says whether it's the president sympathetic towards islamic terror, most of what he's saying, don't say "we"? are you in that camp or do you believe donald trump represents your ideas and you're step to step with him. >> if the election were today i would vote for donald trump. he's laid out did policies we ought to embrace, one is immigration policy. i've heard him modify his policy are not bringing anymore muslims in the united states suggesting instead closer to ted cruz's position, is a spent immigration from terrorist sponsoring countries, at least until we get a handle on this. i think that's a prudent statement and, yet the cross fire is coming back as anti-gun. and so immediately this is into that political tug-of-war that's going on. we want to secure the borders. we want to have safety for the american people. we want to have a prudent immigration policy, and the democrats want to take away our guns, the very thing we need to defend ourselves from people like that shooter in orlando. >> i think it's actually a different issue this time. so let's skip to that right now. do you think tt the fbi after having the contact with this orlando murderer, that they had, should have been able to flag his gun application and talk to him? >> you know, i don't think i can say for certain on that, except that they did an investigation. they interviewed him, two or three times. that they decided to close the investigation. they didn't have enough to move forward with any kind of prosecution, and so at that point they concluded it wasn't worthy to monitor him. at that point where would you draw the line? 15 years from now if that individual had been interviewed by the fbi he couldn't buy a grune without setting off alarm beps? i don't know the real technical answer that that. >> that would be the discussion. especially, congressman, after what we just saw here in orlando, that the fbi knew who this guy was, they weren't able to make the case. he then went out, got a gun. the fbi did not have the authority to even talk to him and now this. you don't see that as a reasonable abridgement of second amendment rights in furtherance of investigative power for the fbi? even after orlando? >> i'm willing to have the discussion but not willing to take the guns out of the hands of everybody that fits that category because we're denying their right to defend themselves, too. we also need to expand human intelligence, look at his wife and that investigation appears to be going on. what about the neighbors? what about the people that should have been watching this? they're intimidated by political correctness. >> there's no question -- there's no -- well i don't know that they're intimidated by political -- how do you make that argument about the neighbors and people who knew this guy affected by political correctness? >> well, just from the interviews out there. there are multiple interviews of people that saw him in the club. there were people, his employment, that spoke up, and they were more or less suppressed because they said that, criticism had to stop, because they thought it was criticism because he was a muslim. in fact, that's what the fbi's conclusion was, that there really wasn't an unstable individual here, that it was the muslim, anti-muslim prejudice that was causing him his trouble at work. so i'd charge that all up against the -- >> i thought you were talking about the orlando -- thought you were talking about the orlando speck situation. now, as to the prior investigations in 2013 and 2014, i haven't read or heard anything from sources at the fbi or anything they've put out that they thought this was about p.c. this was about what the guy said at work. people were worried about it, hearing him say either he identified with all of these different muslim extremist groups or that he was threatening different accesses and they investigated, couldn't make the case. came up in a separate investigation a year later, but they couldn't make a case. that was that. i don't know how p.c. enters into this. >> okay. chris, let me just put it this way -- i've read a lot of the narratives on here. maybe not all of them, but as many as i could get my hands on. listened to a fair amount of briefings on this, and the picture that emerges in case after case, this one in particular, but also san bernardino, we had an opportunity to engage and we were suppressed because of the political correctness. goes clear back to major hasan at fort hood. so i think our entire society has got shift this thing around. that's something donald trump has got this right nap if we are suppressed with political correctness to the point where we don't see something and say something out of fear of being criticized are being some kind of bigot, then america is not as safe as if we had freedom of speech and freedom of conscience. >> so you're worried about the political correctness and not abridging our ability to stay safe, but not worried about the fbi having its hands tied and not able to look at a gun application of a man they had two different sets of interactions with, because you want to err on the side of -- >> the fbi would have had the authority, the ability, to go like at that application if they wanted to put a marker on his file to do that. >> they not have that ability. >> not by an automatic blanket ability, but they could have flagged his file and continued the investigation and then would have had that ability. >> right, but they closed the case. the point is about how they're able to deal with people once they've had interaction with. one last thing for you, congressman. there is concern that many people when discussing what happened here in orlando aren't pointing out that this was gays being targeted. that this was a gay club where this happened. that this guy had a problem with gays. that's why this is a hate crime, whether it's terror and a hate crime, we'll see from investigators' point of view, but do you believe it's important to say that gays were targeted here, and that matters? >> i think it's clear that gays were targeted in orlando. it does matter. and it's tragic that they were targeted because of their sexual orientation. i talk with -- with hundreds of conservatives over on this side of the aisle. no one brings up the fact that any derogatory way or even mentions it to that extent. i mean, it's tragic, and we're sorry about that, and they are in our prayers as if they were the christians that were slaughtered in charleston, south carolina some time back, equal standing with god, chris. >> congressman, thank you very much for joining us. it's important we have these conversations. always a pleasure to have you on "new day." >> thank you, chris. all right. now in terms of how this is playing out in the election, it's important to remember that the primaries just officially ended. so when you had washington, d.c., turned out that hillary clinton beat bernie sanders there what does this mean on the democratic side in their road to unity? we're going to break down the implications and the open questions, next. wopen up a lot of dawn. tough on grease...yet gentle. dawn helps open... something even bigger. go to facebook.com, dawn saves wildlife. ♪ you wish your dog could fight off fleas and ticks. but since he can't... you rely on frontline plus. because frontline plus unleashes a deadly killing force to kills fleas and ticks, plus flea eggs and larvae, preventing a new flea infestation. its protection lasts a full 30 days. no wonder frontline plus is recommended by vets for killing fleas and ticks. after all, your dog is a lover not a fighter. frontline plus. vet recommended flea and tick killer. wrely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you shoshow me more like this.e. show me "previously watched." what's recommended for me. x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. hillary clinton and bernie sanders meeting face to face behind closed doors last night. this was after their final primary battle in washington, d.c., which gave clinton another decisive victory. this as clinton and president obama do battle with trump over terrorists. joining us now to talk about all this, cnn political analyst and host of the david gregory podcast, david gregory and "new york times" political correspondent patrick healy. guys, thanks for being here. david, what happened behind closed doors at this meeting between hillary and bernie? >> alisyn, by all accounts, a stilted meeting. advisers present as well. remember, sanders and clinton haven't had a lot of time for this at this point. battling on the campaign trail and sanders with a lot of determination, still battling hillary clinton. so i think it's going to take time to do this dance to engage in a process where he's going to be brought onboard. it's obviously happening. it's happening slowly, and it has to happen not just between sanders and clinton, of course, but there has to be a way for his supporters to find room to support her based on her support for some of his positions. and giving him a nod that speaks to his influence now within the party. >> yes, alisyn -- >> patrick, we know a couple details. let me tell what you we know and you can fill in the blanks. we know at no point were the two alone. which is a funny wording for the meeting. their aides were will with them. their campaign managers i should say as well as talked about the minimum wage. is this the moment the democratic party has, or bernie sanders, at least harks been waiting for to weigh in on the democratic platform? >> not yet. i think it's a start of a conversation. look, remember, the paul ryan/donald trump meeting about month or so ago. it wasn't as if everything was solved just over an hour. i think it's a big sign of kind of the mood in the room and to some extent the lack of trust and lack of a real relationship that bernie sanders and hillary clinton had four other people in the room. it's as if bernie sanders wanted witnesses to make sure that it was very clear what hillary clinton was and wasn't saying. look, what sanders sources were telling us was that he really wanted to see whether she is going to take sort of confidence-building steps over the next several weeks that suggest that she's going to stick with these progressive goals that she has said that she believes in and not tell bernie sanders the right things now, and then, you know, in september-october, pivot to the center, you know, reach out to moderate vote, she may need in ohio and florida and virginia, if push comes to shove. that's what they're worried about. there's such a lack of trust here, alisyn, about whether they can count on her to sort of go the distance. >> hmm. david, let's talk about president obama and hillary clinton going after donald trump, and donald trump returning the criticism. so how unusual is it for a president, a sitting president, to be weighing in on the presumptive republican nominee in this fashion? >> well i don't think it's terribly unusual. we haven't been in a situation where you've had a president doing that. this directly, but i think president obama feels that, of course, it's his legacy that's being attacked here in terms of his approach to terrorism. this is from a candidate in donald trump who has questioned whether president obama was even born in the united states and is a muslim. he was born in the united states. he is not a muslim, and yet it was donald trump who has spun this web of conspiracy and lies now for a number of years. so i think president obama takes it seriously and i think he thinks there's high stakes involved with this debate. in effect, he's acting as a running plait for hillary clinton here by being incredibly forceful on this point, and there's a lot of cover here for president obama, because donald trump in his prescriptions for how to fight terrorism and how to respond to something like this seems to be really hurting himself. doubling down on a muslim ban, which no republicans support. particularly republican leaders. and striking a tone that frankly is at odds with other republican leaders. so he doesn't seem to be gaining ground within the republican establishment, even if there are some people who hear this, who are supporters of his, who say, yeah, right on. >> alisyn, you can see almost like a -- >> the only reason i say this, hold on, patrick. let me show you a poll countering this. in terms of whether or not this is working. donald trump suggesting president obama won't use the words "radical islam" because he's somehow sympathetic with the cause or with muslims. one of the things the bloomberg poll asked was about president obama siding with muslims. that's the suggestion. and it turns out that 31% of those asked agree, that president obama sort of pulls rhetorical bunches because he sides with muslims. this isn't just republicans. this is the country. 61% disagree, still 31% that donald trump is talking to. >> it's true, alisyn, but this in large part is the trump base and there may be certainly democrats and independents who are in that mix, but 31% is not a majority coalition that's going to win you the presidency. what donald trump is sort of being asked by a lot of republicans is, when it donald trump going to begin sort of expanding his message, sort of broadening it so that more republicans can, and democrats and independents, might embrace, you know, issues that he's saying, he's sort of identifying the fear that a lot of people feel a sense of unsafety, a sense that the obama administration has not done enough to protect the country and people are sort of nodding and going along with that. you can see that when you talk to voters about it, but then he says, and my solution is -- banning all muslims temporarily. and it's -- as if, you know, a lot of voters who might be open and sort of feeling like donald trump is sort of getting what's going on in the country, then kind of veer off, because these ideas just aren't palatable. >> and alisyn -- >> go ahead, david. >> yeah. i just -- what else is important about that polling. let's remember that any candidate, and donald trump is on to something in this regard. certainly there are going to be supporters of his and there are going to be independent voters, non-committed voters who say, what is going on here? these may be people who think, look what's happening with islamism around the world. with isis. with guns. with syria. all of these things can give rise and give advantage to trump on the issue of terrorism generally. >> hmm. david, patrick, thank you. great to talk to you. >> thanks. this is a question being asked in orlando and across the country. will anything change after the worst mass shooting in american history? and is congress ready to somehow change the country's gun laws? is that the answer? we talk to senator angus king about all of that, next. 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believe that there are going to be changes because of what we dealt with here in orlando? we'll talk about what kind of changes next. but do you think anything will change? >> well, i think it is hard to say that anything is specifically going to change, but i think for example, the no fly, no buy, controlling the sale of guns to people on a terrorist watch list, i think that's a pretty likely out come of this. i think people are finally saying, hey, that's just common sense, as long as there is some kind of relief valve for people on the list. i think you may see that happen, maybe even in the next days. >> i see two problems with that. the first is that's no guarantee of anything. the senator feinstein just put out a list that 91% of people on the terror watch list, who apply for guns, get them. so that's not likely that some kind of real restriction. and also, as it bears relationship -- >> wait a minute, wait a minute -- >> he wouldn't have been on -- yes? >> she was saying 91% get them now under the this proposed legislation, they wouldn't. that's the point. these are people on the terrorist watch list, who are able to get guns today, and what we're talking about is changing that, so that they're unable to do so. but air right. this guy -- >> there would still be due process. >> there has to be due process. >> go ahead. >> oh, no, please senator. make the point about due process. >> i think the point is that you can't just say people with constitutional rights, they have to have an opportunity to say they're on list improperly, there was a mistake made, there has to be a done institution al relief valve, but i think still, the legislation should make a difference. the question is would it in this case. are there guarantees, chris, there are never going to be guarantees. this is a dangerous place, but we have to close the doors as we identify them. >> sources at the fbi are making a different case for what orlando means. they say we close the case on this guy. he wouldn't have been on a no-fly list. their concern is that they knew something was up with him, right, 2013, they had the case, they heard things that they don't want to be hearing about any americans, but they couldn't make the case. 2014, his name comes up again. now, a couple of years after that, he goes to buy long and handguns, and they have no ability to even really be informed about that, right, because the fbi is a big entity, and doing the background checks doesn't necessarily communicate with the people who investigated this man earlier. but they don't have the authority, even if they did find out to flag him for interview. do you think that should change? >> yeah, i think one of the things, if you're on a list and some kind of reasonable suspicion. >> he wouldn't have been on a list. no list. forget about the list. i'm saying, because orlando is now relevant to that. >> if you have been a person of interest to the fbi, and again, this is where the constitution and freedom and, you know, what we are as a country, it is a thin line. but i think if somebody has been investigated by the fbi for terrorist related activity, clearly, they're in the record somewhere. they know that they were there. they go and purchase a gun, there should be a ping and a question should be raised, not that they can't purchase the gun, but a question should be raised during the 72 hour waiting period and maybe there can be further questioning and following up. we've got to try to close these doors, as i say. this is -- we are in a dangerous situation, and this is one of the ways i think we can try to deal with it. >> not to hear it from senator king, but congressman king. steve king said, well, i don't know, i don't know that i want somebody's second amendment rights abridged when they've been investigated. the case was closed. i don't know, how long would keep them in that situation. that's that second amendment right issue, versus the fbi able to do something involving weapons in someone they looked at before. do you think you can win that debate in the current climate? >> well, it will be very difficult, as you know, in a political situation, anything involving guns. one of the problems with the gun discussion, it has become sort of all or nothing. it is a litmus test. you want to repeal the -- abolish the second amendment and take my guns away. that's not true. but the atmosphere is such that it is hard for us to have a fact based discussion around here on these issues. i think there may be some room to get something done on this issue in this congress. it is no the going to be easy, but i think there is an opportunity, and this case presents it as something that i think most americans, most americans, 90% of americans would say, wait a minute, you're on a terrorist watch list and you can buy a gun. that's nuts. so i think we're going to be able to maybe move on this. >> but, and it is a little bit of a harder question when the person wasn't on a list, and thousands of people fall into that category. senator king, thank you. take care. >> thanks, chris. we're following a lot of news here. developments of the situation with the orlando murders, the most ever done by gunfire, and also, the story about the toddler taken by an alligator, right nearby in disneyworld. a toddler, attacked by an alligator at a disney resort. >> a search and rescue operation. >> it is a very rare thing to happen. >> officials are really hoping for a miracle. >> authorities are zeroing in on the killer's wife. >> new information, he was casing disneyworld. >> they're very suspicious of the information she has put forward. >> did you know your husband was going to do this? >> we have a radical islamic terrorism problem, folks. >> it is a political talking point. it is not a strategy. >> what donald trump is saying is shameful. >> president obama, he was more angry at me than he was at the shooter. >>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. good morning everyone. welcome back to your "new day." we are live in orlando, florida. we begin with more breaking news. the frantic search for a 2-year-old who was snatched and dragged into a lagoon by an alligator at a walt disneyworld resort. >> unimaginable. they're there, this family from nebraska on vacation. the father, sees it happen, rushes into the water and the alligator gets away with his son in its jaws. this tragedy just adding to what is already just smothering grief in orlando, because of what we all know happened now. the worst taking of life by gun ever in america. but this story about this kid, has our attention on it. let's get to boris sanchez right now at walt disneyworld with the details of the story and latest on the search. any word from fish and wildlife yet? >> reporter: sadly, chris, no word. no knowledge of the whereabouts of this young toddler. i can tell you, we got word from officials that this is still a search and rescue, an important distinction from recovery operation. they're definitely holding out hope they'll be able to find this young boy. i should tell you, though, they did struggle to give us any kind of example as to when a child this young was missing for this long after being attacked by an alligator, and still found to have survived the attack. it is unimaginable, with his family dealing with right now. a desperate search underway at a luxury disney resort near orlando. by air and in the water, for a 2-year-old boy, snatched and dragged away by an alligator. disney's grand floridian resort. the toddler was waiting at the shore with his family nearby. >> we've taken four alligators out of the lake. they have to be authnized. >> the toddler's father jumping into the water, to no avail. the tragic incident occurring shortly after 9:00 p.m., according to law enforcement officials. social media lighting up, watching the search unfold. quote, police pulling up yellow tape out of the grand floridian, directly across from magic kingdom in orlando, praying for this family. ground and air crews continue search at disney's grand floridian hotel. he was on vacation with his family from nebraska and had been staying at the resort since sunday. disney is fully cooperating with the investigation. >> everyone here at the resort is devastated by this tragic accident. our thoughts are with the family. we are helping the family and doing everything we can to assist law enforcement. >> with each passing hour, a harsh reality is setting in for rescuers trying to find this young boy. >> we're not leaving until we recover the child. >> you heard florida fish and wildlife mention in that piece that they had removed four al gators from this one lagoon and they're now being examine today see if any of them were the one that snatched the boy. there is no indication of that yet. but to give you a clearer picture of how this massive search area is, this is a lagoons that is bordered by the hotels and magic kingdom itself and connected to a series of canals that attach it to other large bodies of water. this is a massive search and rescue operation that is still ongoing right now, alisyn. >> boris, please get back to us when you hear any development whatsoever. thank you for that reporting. we want to bring in jeff corwin, abc's "ocean mysteries." thank you for standing by for this. it is so wrenching to think about them watching their 2-year-old, who was just playing at the water's edge, an alligator coming up and grabbing him and the father trying to wrestle it out of the jaws. can you tell us, once an alligator has something, how hard it would be for an adult male human to get it loose? >> you're absolutely right, alisyn. this is so gut wrenching and hearbreaking. here, this family is on the ultimate vacation, in a place which is the ultimate when it comes to safety in this tragedy unfolds. it is incredibly hard to open an adult alligator's mouth. even if you're a human being, an adult male like myself, it would be impossible for me to physically pry open the jaw of an adult alligator. >> jeff, how surprising is it that an alligator would be in this lagoon? a man-made lagoon on this hotel property? i mean, how would an alligator get in there? >> that's a great question. but here's the reality check. alligators just a few decades ago, were critically endangered, but because of good conservation, they've rebounded and have recovered incredibly well. there is well over 1.5 million alligators living in florida. keep in mind, that although this a man-made lagoon, it is surrounded by thousands of acres of swamps, of rivers, of wild habitat. so it would be impossible, no matter how well you attended and micromanaged this lagoon to keep alligators from naturally sort of migrating and flowing into this water habitat. what typically happens is that the wildlife experts will watch this area, and when they see an alligator that's getting a little bit too big, they'll often remove the animal. but it would be almost impossible to prevent wildlife, such as alligators, from entering this lagoon. >> that's good to know. we're watching aerial footage right now of the search for this little 2-year-old boy. there was earlier a press conference, jeff, and the fish and wildlife official said it is very unusual for an alligator to attack a human being. is that simply because normally they're not in proximity to human beings where they can get their claws on one? or is it because usually humans are bigger than the alligator? >> i think it is all of those things. keep in mind, alligators do not naturally prey on human beings. they're eating fish, turtles, birds, small mammals okay. but a human child is very small in size. when we have these terrible tragic scenarios unfold, what is usually the case is an alligator that has become very accustomed and comfortable around human beings, oftentimes because people have been feeding this animal and it loses its fear. every month, thousands of people migrate and move to florida, and as we take over alligator habitat, these animals then need to migrate and find a new home. so while this is a very rare situation, it does occasionally happen. incredibly tragic. but incredibly remote. you need to keep in mind that when you're in florida there are alligators everywhere. so that tells you how rare such a tragedy like this is. >> and there were signs that say no swimming at this lagoon. but it did not say that it was because there might be alligators in there. >> well, first of all, the family wasn't swimming, and walt disneyworld and walt disneyland, these places have been in operation for many decades. i've never heard of an alligator tack or fatality in one of these park, ever. so that tells you how rare this event is. walt disneyworld is micromanaged. so it is really impossible for them not to basically have their figures in the cookie jar when it comes to security. this is a wild animal, a vast place. the family was following the rules, they did absolutely -- they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. the father did everything he needed to do. in the end, he wasn't successful. that's the great tragedy of this. >> oh, my gosh. it is a great tragedy. the sheriff was confident during the press conference, they said they will find the boy. he didn't obviously say that they would find him alive. do you share that confidence that they will find the boy somehow? >> i do not have a confidence. i have a hope against hope to be honest with you. a 2-year-old child, what would be their swimming abilities. you have the issues of the elements. you have water temperature. you have other predatory animals. you have other al gatoligators. they're not far from recovery acknowledgment of this terrible situation. >> yeah, and to be clear, that is what the sheriff, i think meant, reading between the lines. i think he meant they would recover the child, but even that seems it might be a long shot jeff, thank you so much for all of your expertise. let's get to chris. all right, the terrorist who murdered 49 people at the gay nightclub behind us, mau have also been targets disneyworld, that is what we're talking about with this kid and gator. authorities want to know what his wife knows about. and maybe other preparations that were done before this ugly, ugly tragedy here. let's bring in cnn chief national correspondent, jim sciutto and legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, mark omara. great to see you. let's deal with the investigative side. the wife and dynamic what, investigators trying to get out of here. >> active investigation for basically not telling authorities what she knew. she has told them now that she knew he was considering carrying out a jihadist attack and tried to stop him. she is telling them she went to some of these sites or perceived to be he was scoping out. certainly he scoped out pulse and he went to disneyworld. she didn't know he was scoping them out, but are those answers satisfying to them. if you knew he thinking about that, why didn't she come to the authorities. >> the strategic legal game here, the fbi want to pressure her, pressure her, we'll charge you, we might charge you with misprison, something i haven't heard, almost every state has taken it a you have toff the bo. but the flip side, i want a lawyer, everything stops. >> it is stage three right now. the first stage, they've already been there. come talk to us, we need to find out, help out. she did that cooperated, according to them. wait a minute, we see this on social media, we know about this about a consider edit card at disney. whatever they had that they were waiting to use, they got more information that way. at some point, if they're going to talk to her, though, they can't keep going there. stage three will be where we are now. we're looking at you, considering you for charges. she will gate a lawyer. stage fauour, here is what your client needs to do, here is how to handle. stage five would be the indictment. >> how high a bar does -- do the investigators have to charge her with anything meaningful? this felony is not real jail time, it is hardly ever even used, conspiracy i guess would be there. but even on the federal level, which is easier than state levels, it is still a case to make. >> it is very difficult, but all going to based on what they find along the way. if they can show more connection between her and him, whether it is conversations on text messages, anything like that the more that sort information they have. they want to keep the pressure on to get as much information. >> jim, people will hear this conversation and be like what do you -- why do i care about any of this. this a terrible guy, a terrorist, a murder, probably a hate criminal. why do they care. why do i have to hear about this? >> couple of things. one, is there a broader network supporting him, so you wants to prevents something happening again. they're not so much investigating her or others who mig carry out another attack, but you want to know how far the network went. but beyond that tais attack, pe thinking this kind of thing to come forward and prevent that tack. you want to encourage people to do that, right, and frankly, made it clear, there are penalties if you don't. >> early on, there was a push on the fbi. you dropped the ball. you had him twice and nothing happened. that seems to be a falls conclusion. they did what they could. there was no basis for moving forward. here is the question now, which is getting confused by a lot of politicians. if you are on a no-fly list, you should be on a no buy list. this guy couldn't fit in that category. they closed the case. they say he represents thousands of people that they have in their database where we looked at you, stuff about you we don't like, we couldn't make a case. but should they have the authority, when that person tries to get a weapon, to bring them back in. >> it is up to us, isn't it? all we have to do is be more willing to compromise our second amendment rights and say if you are under investigation, if we think you're bad, if we've had an investigation, closed it, any number of reasons we can stop you from getting a gun. we know in this country, it is not going to happen. >> people who propose to keep the second amendment as strong as possible, win that political debate nine and a half times out of ten. however, we're dealing with exactly what happens, because of those protections, is that a fair assessment? >> no question. this is exactly the kind of case that proponents of this legislation, no buy list in effect, have been talking about. someone who is on this -- someone can't get on a plane conceivably shouldn't be able to buy the gun. it is not as cut as dry and that, right, because what qualifies you for that list. >> slippery slope. >> does that investigation have to be underway, being interviewed? >> slippery slope. we have some basis for this analysis. here is a terror watch list, that's a high bar. 91% of the time that people on the terror watch list apply for guns, they get them. so do you see legally the concern of the slippery slope? >> well, yes, i really do. i'm concerned about it. but the reality is, again, it is a compromise, as subtle as we can address it, versus individual rights. we're entering a new age, the age where we may have to compromise our individual rights. >> that's something we do for freedom of expression. whether it is supporting terrorism or saying things about blacks, gays, et cetera, so we have as a society accepted restrictions in cases like that. >> the political dynamic is with the first amendment. we're on the side of inclusion, allowing people to do things. what will we do with the second amendment. right now, it seems we're going that way as well. we'll see what orlando means. mark and jim, thank you very much. so the politics of this playing out in real time, donald trump's terror talk, rattling, and also dividing republicans. up next, we're going to give you the debate, whether the republican party is behind donald trump or this may be something that makes gops step away. president obama and hillary clinton, slamming donald trump for his renewed call on a ban of muslims, after the terror attack in orlando. top republicans are critical as well. >> i do not think a muslim ban is within our country's interest. it is not reflective of our principles. not just as a party but as a country. >> i hope he realizes that in order to win the war, you're going to need people that he has alreadile alienated. >> i've said this a thousand times about donald trump. he is making it harder to win the war. >> joining us now to talk about this is jeff deewitt. the arizona state treasurer and campaign surrogate for donald trump. also tim miller, former jeb bush spokesman, who does not support donald trump. thanks for being here. jeff, let's start with you. what about what you just heard from some of those top republicans that say donald trump as president would certainly need muslims. he needs muslims to be able to sort of point out radicals orator orrists in their midst. he should not be alienating them. >> well, we have a big problem. i think we all can understand that. the question is, what do we do to solve the problem. donald trump is the only one offering substantive solutions. president obama keeps going on tv and mis-identifying the problem. radical islamic terrorism has grown from 3,000 deaths per year, caused by it, to over 28,000 deaths per year in the last five years. it's growing. it is a bigger and bigger problem. president obama keeps focusing on iraq and the head of the beast is in syria. when people get radicalized or recruited to join isis, it is coming from syria. so we have to do something more to solve the problem. our currents leadership is not doing that. the problem is getting worst. we have to do something. >> okay, tim. >> alisyn, yeah, see this is the thing. it is donald trump that is mis-identifying the problem. after this oh horrific massacre in orlando, that was committed by an american citizen, who was born of an immigrant in the same neighborhood that donald trump was born of an immigrant, his response and jeff's response, his campaign's response is let's ban immigrants from coming into the country. let's ban muslims, let's ban people from countries that have muslims, like belgium, by the way and the united kingdom from coming into our country. the terrorist was not an immigrant. so banning immigration is completely mis-identifying the problem and goes against everything our country has stood for since its founding. >> jeff, there may also -- >> you're putting words in my mouth. >> hold on, jeff. >> that's not what we said, but thank you. >> yes, it is. it is his plan. >> hold on. okay, jeff, clarify it, then. >> well, he is saying that ban all immigration. >> jeff. >> and things like that. we -- everybody is fine with legal immigration. >> you're not. you want to ban muslims. >> trump hater out there, he is running an anti-trump pack. >> that's correct. proudly. >> and working for hillary clinton. >> but to indict the question on the other side, to indict all gun owners on the actions of a single gun owner is not the way to go about it either. we have to look at the problem. >> jeff, let me get in there for a second. >> our current administration is not doing. >> guys, i'm sorry, the satellite delay, which makes it seem like we're stepping on each other. jeff, i want to show you this blumberg poll. it asked whether or not trump's rhetoric on the muslim ban bothers people. and 66%, if you combine the top two categories, bothers a lot, a little, yeah, it does bother them. he won't be able to win with just 34% for whom it does not bother at all. >> but again, when they also poll issues and ask about either jobs, immigration, national security, mr. trump handedly beats hillary clinton on those issues. everybody knows while the problem has grown, it has not only grown under president obama, but it grew while she was secretary of state. so he -- >> alisyn -- jeff, jeff is not answering any of your questions. when he said that the trump campaign supports the legal immigration, that's totally false. he proposed new bans on legal immigration the other day in response to the terrorist attack by a citizen. if regard to the polls you just brought up, the bloomberg poll, over 55% of americans say they will not vote for donald trump. he has repulsed women, repulsed minorities. they need to consider having an open convention, where we get rid of him as the nominee, because he has no chance to beat hillary clinton because of the poll you just showed. >> and yet, tim, let me get in there for a second, because i want to -- >> any republican candidate in history in the primary. >> more votes again. >> tim, i want to push back for a second. we've heard not just from donald trump, but from terror experts who say that it does bother them that president obama seems reluctant to use the word radical islam, because they do think that's at what is the root of some of this toxicity and some of the murders that we've seen. do you think that donald trump has a valid point that you need to call it by what it is? >> i 100% agree that it is important that we identify the enemy. when you look at what president obama has done, the problem is not only that he doesn't say radical islamic terrorism, but that defines his world view when looking at terrorism. he treats it leak a law enforcement exercise rather than a law against a death cult that wants to see the end of our way of life. here's the thing, alisyn, the fight against the pc police that donald trump wants to fight about the term radical islamic terrorism, that's a tiny element of this. the big part behind it is actually winning this fight, and having a real plan to do it. and donald trump does not know the difference between the kurds who are allies and the kuds who are the eye rairanian army. he gave a speech about pc wars. if his fight against the pc police, he is missing the point. >> okay, tim, jeff, thank you. sorry for the satellite delay, gentlemen. we appreciate the debate. >> any time, alisyn. next up, we hear -- thank you, guys. we hear from a very close circle of friends, reacting to the loss of two of the victims, and their thoughts about the political debate going on right now surrounding this attack. stick around for that. ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no no,♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider,♪ ♪yeaaahh... ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me nooo♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight riiiiiiiideer!♪ he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can settle in and think big. and when josh thinks big you know what he gives? i'll give you everything i've got and then some... he gives a hundred and ten percent! i'm confident this 10% can 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we've learned a little about each one of those. christopher drew, and juan, the friends say it has been an emotional roller coaster, as their lives have taken center stage in politics. telling us about the couple's love and how it continues to inspire them. >> people are trying to process it. there are different interpretations. was it islamic radical terrorism? was it homophobe yo. >> i don't want to sound rude to anyone else. i really don't care. to me, it doesn't matter whether this person was praising isis, whether he was, you know, disgusted by seeing two people kiss, whether he was a closet homosexual. it doesn't matter to me. what his issues were. all i care about is that i lost my best friends, and i don't want to see that happen to anybody else. it is so easy for people somewhere else to have this running conversation about what is happening. but until somebody is standing there on orange avenue, feeling the presence of those 49 people, they won't understand what it feels like. >> right now, when you're in the moment and you are part of something like what just happened this past weekend, people don't understand how your thoughts can't even be there. you are so distraught i guess is the best word, you just have genuine love and compassion for everyone around you, and you just pray and hope everybody is okay, whoever you know. and it is difficult to go and see people already wanting to politicize or talk about topics, which i get, but at the same time, i think we should focus more on loving, and i think that's what it is. >> yesterday, we went to the vigil, and we were -- well, we were not doing okay, but we made it to the spot that they set aside for drew and juan, and the two of us just collapsed, because i mean, we were there with them. it is so hard to see that, and as we were sitting there on the sidewalk, couldn't even get to our feet, a muslim woman came over and just put her hands on our backs and prayed for us. she was there forever. she wouldn't leave until we could get up. and i think that was powerful for me. that pitting two groups against each other who have no hatred for each other, but it doesn't matter who we are, we're still connected. it doesn't matter what group we come from, we're still one big family. >> if this catastrophe were to be a catalyst for something, what do you hope changes? >> a serious, serious conversation about gun laws. it's just, it's just too much now. no one needs to own an assault rifle. it is ridiculous. what do you need that for? you need to protect yourself with an assault rifle. you don't. you don't need one. >> i think we also need to have a serious, serious conversation about bigotry and hate. so often we allow ourselves to go there, and how often have we seen people rationalizing and embracing hatred and bigotry. the common thread that binds us is love and compassion for the people around us. not this self-centered hatred toward other people. if i want to see anything change, it is that people get over themselves and get to loving each other. >> you guys are a tight-knit bunch of friends. >> yeah. >> how do you explain it? >> family. >> family, love. >> i think that's the point. drew was our glue. >> made friends where ever they went. >> we try to emulate that. we try to live the same way they lived in drawing people into them, and being the social glue, and now we try to do the same thing for each other. >> tell me about drew and juan together. tell me about their relationship. >> it was love. >> so passionate. >> just love. >> there was no other word you could use to describe it. i mean, we were talking earlier, and when they were together, no matter how many people were in the room, it was like one person was there. they were in their own space at all times. they never hesitated to just look each other in the eyes and express love. no words needed to be shared. nothing. they just looked at each other and you knew they loved each other. i think that's the comforting thing is knowing that not one of them has to live without the other one. >> and seeing them the few minutes before everything happened, you could see that they were in eternal happiness with each other. >> these friends who are in so much pain just think the answer to hate is love. you can say it is idealistic, but forget all the politics, forget everything else that's being debated, reach out and love each other. it's hard to argue with that. >> when you talk about the difficulties that we've seen with the evolution of gay rights, no matter what faith you belong to, that is also what you are taught to believe. that love is the ultimate power. it is important for people to remember their pain. when we talk about gay rights, you have to remember the victimzation that this guy did. this was a hate crime. who you talk about what do you do coming out of this, it is because of the people who were lost there. that's why you care. >> absolutely. in fact, his mother, drew's mother told me yesterday that she is so happy that though drew was only 32 years old, he lived to see gay marriage be the law of the land. friends put together this go fund me page withdr drew and w s juan's family. so many reverbations, what does this mean, what do we do and don't do when it comes to fighting terror. we have president obama's top counterterrorism advisor, joining us next. getting faster. huh? detecting threats faster, responding faster, recovering faster. when your security's built in not just bolted on, and you protect the data and not just the perimeter, you get faster. wow, speed kills. systems open to all, but closed to intruders. trusted by 8 of 10 of the world's largest banks. the orlando mass murder, the hate crime, no matter how you want to label it, is a reflection of what is going on in the war against terror. what do we do. what are the policies. how do we deal with guns, and allow the fbi to do. big questions an questions. let's discuss with lisa monaco. it does matter even more coming out of orlando. let's start at the top. the big theme that we see playing out in the presidential election is president obama's reluctance to say radical islam is seen as a reflection of a lack of resolve. a lack of desire to get his hands around the problem, and attack it. do you agree with that assessment? >> no, i don't, chris. and thanks for having me this morning. it is good to be with you. i don't do politics, as you noted. i'm the president's counterterrorism and homeland security advisor. i know first hand because i meet with him every morning to discuss the threats facing this country that is he focused, focused on the threat that is posed from isil, he is focused on the threat posed from violent extremists, and determined to destroy isil, which is why he talked yesterday about the progress in our campaign against that brutal terrorist group. >> when you guys are doing your policy briefings and discussing this, what do you call the threat? >> i call it a brutal terrorist threat from isil. i call isil basically a hybrid threat that we're facing. it is at once operating at an insurgency, operating with military tactics, and we're seeing that, but rolling them back from the territory they once occupied. they are a brutal terrorist a group, like we saw in brussel b sells -- we're concerned about their ability to spew their hatred, their violent message through the internet and to recruit, radicalize and mobilize individuals to violence, where ever they are. >> the fbi, our sources are telling us, that there is a concern that is reflected in what happened here in orlando. they had two bites at this guy. not about them dropping the ball, not about not making the case. but about their ability when they have people in their database to flag a gun purchase transaction. the fbi is not empowered to do that is my understanding under current law. should they be able to? >> you've hit upon the challenge, right. we face a challenge in law enforcement has an incredible challenge with understanding and intervening and identifying an individual who is self-radicalized, someone who isn't in contact with a broader network. how do you know when they go from inspiration, action and to murder. the fbi director has talked about what happened fwh this case, and the times that this killer emerged on their radar screen and the significant investigative steps they underto undertook. they operate on pred indicatica somebody may be involved in criminal activity run it to ground. they use their tools to understand what the threat may or may not be. as the fbi director said, he doesn't want his agents investigating people indefinitely. they have thousands of case open. things that they have to focus on. they have to triage this threat. >> it is not about extending indefinitely, though, lisa. you've got the guy. his name is in the database. he has come up more than once and when you find out he is trying to buy a weapon, you contact him. >> so that's right, chris. this is the challenge, right. these are important questions. and as the fbi director said, they're going to look at this going forward, everything they can understand about this killer's motivation and what inspired him to commit this brutal, this brutal and horrific act and look backward. if there are things we can learn about how we should do things better, then we should do that. we also need to understand we've got thousands of cases open. we've got a system wherein if the fbi has a closed case, what could they do with the information. this killer could still go in and buy the assault rifle, whether the fbi had been flagged. >> true, but they would have had some contact with him. what we need is to get answers from leadership. lisa, thank you for joining us. >> thanks very much, chris. all right, now, part of dealing with the aftermath of orlando will be most acutely felt by those who survived the carnage. imagine what life is like, after you make it 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giovani nieves, inside the club during the attack. thanks so much for being here. let me start with you. you lost a shocking amount of friends. you were there with five people that were killed. >> i lost five really good friends that were inside the club. i was supposed to go to the club that night. i was -- i went to a birthday dinner, it ended early, as normal, everyone says let's go to pulse on a saturday. it was like church on sundays, that's where we went. i was supposed to be there, and i didn't go. my friends did. >> that's right. you lost those five friends. how are you coping with that? >> you know, it's -- right now, it's like being a walking dead. you know, you don't know if you can be sad any more. you don't know if you can cry any more. you don't know to be angry any more. it is really, you're programmed to continue walking. and there is times when you breakdown, and then there is times when you just, you're in shock, because you can't believe this is happening. >> i've heard that from other survivors, you don't know what day it is. you wake up and you don't know if you dreamt it, the nightmare continues. >> everyday, you try to get some sleep. you try to maybe rest and hope that the next morning when you wake up, it's like it was a nightmare, that you'll hear a voice saying, hey, i'm okay, and it hurts, because it doesn't happen. >> jeanette, you were in the club as i understand it with your friends. we have video i believe of you, because you at one point took your shirt off when you realized that a friend had been hit. you did used it as a tourniquet. >> i was able to exit the club. i was first there with my buddy, angel c angel colon, my straight friend to the gay club, because i was feeling down, and just wanted to have a drink, and i wanted to just salsa dance. i love salsa dancing. when i made it out i saw juan, and after i realized i wasn't shot, it was a natural instinct to help everyone around. he had a gunshot wound to his right quad, i gist tied it as tight as i can and started to help another young lady who was shot in the arm. she was going into shock. i was communicating with her, letting her know she was going to be okay, trying to help as many people as i can. >> i'm sure it was so comforting to people. >> did you catch a glimpse of the gunman? >> i did, when the shots went off, i automatically knew they were gunshots. there was no confusion in my mind. i ran into a storage room that i found and some people came in behind me and i put my body against the door to block anyone else from coming in, whether multiple gun men or one gunman. i saw the distance, to make sure he wasn't by the door, because there were people with me, a young woman with me, and i kind of got into protective mode. when i seen him, he was standing by the vip couches and he was shooting at the bar, i could see the flair from the barrel. >> you used a ladder to get out of the room. >> yeah, i looked up, looked to the corner, and we seen the ladder, and we just started climbing up the ladder and went into the office that was up there in the attic, locked the door, and went under the desk. there was about four or five people in there. >> how long did you stay in there? >> it felt like forever, but 25 minutes, maybe 30. >> angel who you were there with saved your life. how? >> he was standing right next to me. i don't want to get emotional. i've been so emotional. he was right next to me, my left-hand side, i went to turn to my brother and i was facing the bar where juan was at. once the shot fired, there was another young lady who was right next to us, and shots were going all over the place. you start feeling, you can tell at that moment, it felt like a war room. there was a lady who was shot next to me, and i started to duck and i'm turning around. as i'm turning around, i see the gun because of all the flair, the fire that's coming out. so angel pushes me and we start exiting. i start going towards the patio. we're falling. we're trying to get up. in my mind, i was bracing myself to get hit. i felt that i was going to get hit, but i just wanted to get out. if i was to get hit -- when finally exited out, the fence and patio, it was gone. it was just knocked down. so by the time i came out, i came all the way around, but my brother, i couldn't find my brother jeff, jillian, angel wasn't there. i was alone. i came all the way across the front, because naturally, i wanted to see who this guy was. i wanted to see who he was. so i saw the whole fire, and -- >> you saw him? >> oh, i didn't get to see him, i was on the outside. i saw when the police officers got into a little gun battle with him. >> you have been in a war. all the psychological experts say you did live through a war. please, take care of yourselves. the president is coming down tomorrow to offer some kind of comfort. we're thinking of you. thank you so much for sharing your story with us. we will check back with all of you. thank you so 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finger at the number one suspect being isis. we know there were three attackers. they were armed with high power kalashnikov rifles and suicide vests and they were able to take advantage of confusion after one of them attacked on get another attacker or two into the airport itself and create mayhem and kill a lot of people in that airport. in the last couple hours we've learned that a 42nd victim has succumbed to her injuries. a 22-year-old turkish girl who died in hospital. the latest victim of this horrific attack. the turkish government said they are not at least releasing the identities of these men, suggesting they are foreigners. we don't know any more about them in part because there's very little left of their bodies after the attack. another remarkable thing is the fact this airport is back up and running. within a matter of hours, flights were taking off and landing again. many of the people trawl tiesed by the experience who survived, back at the kioskses and at the cafes in the airport behind me. remarkable considering they just endured a triple suicide bombing. as for the survivors, i caught up with a couple whose honeymoon almost went terribly, terribly wrong. >> steven and anim just got married. >> it was such a beautiful wedding, to be honest. >> she deserves it. >> after a honeymoon in greece and italy, the couple was at a five-hour airport at the airport tuesday night waiting for their flight back hole to the u.s. that's when the terrorists attacked. >> i literally ordered the pizza slice. when the guy turned to put the slice in the oven, i heard the gunshots. >> did you recognize that those were gunshots? >> yes. ak-47. automatic rifle. >> what goes through your head at that time? >> that she is hurt. that this is happening. my worst nightmare is haunting us now. >> he said he saw a man with a gun shooting in the departures hall. >> what did he look like? >> i'm not sure if he was the actual gunman or the cops firing at him but there was a gun and bullets coming from it. i could see the echos and all that from the gun. >> the terrified couple ran and hid in this little kitchen which steven filmed on his phone. through the door, they heard chaos outside. >> we heard people yelling. >> stop, stop. i was like, this looks like somebody is killing somebody else. >> this is one of the victims screaming. >> steven didn't know whether or not the gunmen were still in the airport, on the hunt for more victims. >> at that point i said i'm going to make a video to tell our story. we're most likely going to die here. [ whispering [ . >> speaking in his family's native arabic, he tell them to pray for him. >> i remember, i told him, that's it. this is our last seconds of our life. we're going to die right here. >> this is the moment that i realized i might lose my new family. everything i've trained for. >> but steven said if a militant came through the door, he was not going to go down without a fight. >> i was going to kill him. this is it. this is my new wife. >> 45 minutes later this terrified couple eventually emerged. to bloody scenes in the airport. >> i want to thank all the turkish first responders, the ambulances, the drivers, the cops. they were protecting us. they were doing their best. a lot of them were bleeding. >> an ambulance rushed her to a hospital. she is recovering from bruises suffered after being trampled by paneked people fleeing the gunman. but dealing with the emotional trauma has barely begun. >> i want to go back to the states. i said i can't want to come back to this country anymore. dwro want to come to the middle east anymore. >> this evening, the couple rushed to catch a flight from another airport hoping to leave this horrible chapter of their honeymoon far behind. >> it is kind of, it is worrying but amazing the attackers were able to get so spread out so quickly to attack multiple spots at this airport. >> yeah. and you have to wonder. we've seen this video of what looks like heroic security guards. one of them shooting one of the attackers who self-detonated on the sidewalk. but to stand up to evidently suicidal men with kalashnikovs who are charging in, that asks an enormous amount of bravery. and what's appalling, i have a hard time wrapping my head around the innocents killed in the attacks. two of the victims in that airport were young turkish women who worked in a fast food restaurant. 22-year-old and 21-year-old, part time jobs for these two women. one was working there three days a week and studying english at university. they are just two of the 42 people killed and so many hundreds more who are either physically wounded by this or psychically scarred by this horrific act of violence. >> thank you for joining us. our panel this hour. what do you make of these new details we're learning, that these attackers were able to infiltrate in three different areas creating chaos, moving large groups in different directions? how much training do you think goes into something like this? >> i think they had a lot of training. i think we'll find out they had been fighting in iraq or syria. kalashnikovs, suicide vests, making sure the detonators, getting people running was key to the assaults. these people had some sort of training. whether they had dead man switches or not, it is too early to tell. but they had some sort of insurance these bombs would go off because they didn't want their people caught or not to commit suicide. so i think they had a lot of training. >> they had large networks in brussels, the bomb making. it seems hard to imagine that these three did not have similar concentric circles of support. >> i think that's absolutely right. eventually, we'll figure out who they are. three men have gone missing. once we know who they are, then the concentric circles go out to determine, who were they visiting? who is their family? where did they travel? and quickly, they used taxis because they did not want transportation left there. so this is, when you think about how can you secure things better? this is a relatively new tactic. and one that we need to explore to tighten up the transportation of these guys with lots of weaponry to the airports. >> do we know enough about isis to know how this is set up? how it is organized? >> well, they'll have surveiled the airport well enough knowing the soft points and the security the. chances are if they were foreign fighters, they may have at one point land the at that airport. gone through the security %-p the last time i was walking through that arrivals terminal. it is very familiar to me. i afraid with bob. if they were trained in iraq, they know how to wield a weapon. they were given this indoctrination that says the worst they know that happens to you is you will get taken alive. this is a martyrdom operation. your reward will come in the afterlife. >> is there a branch in isis that specifically deals with this? or sort of an individual is tasked with recruiting people? >> well, there are several guys. when you join, and you enter into the recruitment pool. literally they ask by a show of hands, how many of you want to become the martyrs. those who raise their hands, they're taken off and given a separate training. you have to psychologically prepare someone for facing imminent want. when paris happened, we were wondering, whether one person chickened out or his device didn't work. the worst thing is where you have that situation, he doesn't blow himself up and take out a number of civilians and then somewhere down the line he gets snatched by security services. he will give up information under interrogation, under torture in some circumstances. they don't want that to happen. you can retro engineer these networks. and i agree 100% with juliet. there is no way there were only three guys involved. the bomb maker is still out this and turkey has a vast network. >> we saw that in the paris and brussels attacks. similar networks, same people involved in many cases in materials of organizing. sth and the bomb maker is important. they could be military detonators. the point is this is as tone. very unstable. getting it to the site of the attack is very tricky. you have to keep it cold and the rest of it. so these guys had some practice. if you try to get on the internet and try to make this, you will probably blow yourself up. you need practice. a master bomb maker. it could have been a situation where they have a command detonator. when the guy gets shot, somebody out there is watching and can detonate his vest. always possibility. we'll to have wait for the turks to tell us. >> we've also seen attacks. mumbai, there was a central commander giving instructions. if memory serves me, phone calls were being made or text messages were being sent directing. it doesn't seal like in this case, it happened over 15 minutes or so. so it doesn't seem like there was someone centrally coordinating. it seems like plans were put into place. >> these stories unfold. the facts get unearthed. one the identities are known. then the network is unmask asked then we can figure out, is there a master mind? is this directed? where were they trained? and who else knew? which is the most important they know to make sure that you get in that work, on the bomb maker side. if this is a bomb maker out there, chances are he hand retired. he's successful at it. you want to get that net boring down as fast as possible. >> are they in istanbul planning something else. are there changes for american airports and even 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only an invent but a security concern. following the istanbul attack, some u.s. airports have ramped up security at their perimeters. in new york and new jersey, officers are equipped with tactical weapons. in miami and atlanta, there is an increased police presence. in the u.s., the department of homeland security is responsible for airport security check points. cnn has learned the agency has discussed options to extend its security breach. the idea is widening the security presence that could begin at the entrance or even the parking lot. but former dhs official juliet said that wouldn't be effective. >> certainly you could extend the security 10 miles away from an airport. and guess what? the vulnerability will be at mile 10.1. so at some stage, we just have to accept a level of vulnerability, given the threat that we have today. >> because istanbul's airport has several flights to and from the united states, dhs requires strict screening procedures, comparable to u.s. standards. the head of the tsa told cnn in may, if they are not followed, night could be prohibited. >> if we have a reason of concern, it can be as frequently as every week. if you have a reason that you trust, it can be less frequent than that. ? regard has of the stand arrested the and police presence, it is impossible to eliminate all vulnerabilities. >> back with the panel, when you see people talking about extending the perimeter. i mean, at a certain point, this is plenty of soft targets. you can never secure all these places. >> there is a common problem every time we see one of these incidents. as you take an isolated circumstance, why can't you make a soft target hard? let's multiply that out by a thousand times. what have we seen in 1915 years? transport. subways, buses. every time you take the metro, a subway, an uber, a taxi, a private vehicle to an airport, a subway or a train in san francisco with b.a.r.t., in washington with the metro, in new york with the subway. multimy out what happened in istanbul to all those facilities. and then ask one other question. two months ago we were talking about tsa hines. two months from now, we talk about tsa lines. do you want safety or freedom to move? you have a chase to make. >> even in the mumbai attack, they put bombs in taxis. sent out the taxis that then exploded in different parts of the city that allowed them to get throughout the area. >> soft targets are the soft because they are welcoming to the public and the public wants them to be welcoming. as we go visit family and friends. instead of thinking a sim solution, we have to look at the issue overall. engage the public as we try to do. and then just realize that part of the balancing that phil is talking about is the acceptance of that level of vulnerability because of the benefits of flow, travel, concerts, whatever we think about it. we can call it later security but it is hook at the entire environment. and airports are not hard. we have an expectation as travelers to have flow through the airport. >> and it sounds like where you have a bottleneck, you have a the lot of people. any time people gather, that is, you know, a potential risk. >> the problem is it is not just airports. let's say we can harden airports. but they go to a basketball game in a small town with a small police forceful they don't even have the weaponry to take on isis assaulters. in istanbul, the police did the right thing. they inserted themselves into the incident. they kept down casualties. that's an experienced counter terrorism force. what do you do about small town usa? these people are perfectly capable. >> we've seen a lot of places, not only in after shooter drills burg multiple targets with multiple locations. when donald trump talked about waterboarding as a way basically to do something about terrorism, as somebody who worked with the fbi and the cia, what do you do? >> i bristle. in this political season let's have a reality check. in 2002 the department of justice authorized waterboarding and nine other procedures we called interrogation techniques. the white house was aware. the senate was briefed. 15 years later a president says that's torture. a department of justice says we won't zpoit the senate issues a report that says you violated american values. if any president, democrat or republican, wants to return to waterboarding i have a couple questions. number one, you'd better find a cia office here will do it. i don't know any. number two, i do not know any. not because they think what we did was wrong but because there ain't no learning the second kick of the mule. number two. you'd better find an attorney general who will once again after one president called this torture determine that it is legal and then go tell the american people, we're going to try it while the cia says we ain't doing it. >> what do you think of it? >> it is still in dispute where it works. you have the senate saying it doesn't work. you have psychologists saying it doesn't work. people i know said it did. we haven't come to a realization yet. they said it worked. we're not there yet and it is something we have to deal with objectively. at the end of the day, this won't stop terrorism. getting inside a compartmented cell like the one that attacked istanbul is virtually impossible. it doesn't matter what kind of pressure you put on people. >> just ahead, they haven't claimed responsibility. all signs point to isis. will they be focusing more on these attacks now that they're losing ground in the battlefield? breaking news in the fight against isis. u.s. officials telling us american war planes conducted a strike in a suburb of fallujah in iraq. apparently isis fighters trying to stage a retreat across the desert. more than 250 were killed in the air strike which would make it one of the single deadliest hits against the terror group. cnn is being cautious about talking about the fatalities. it didn't have anything to do with the terror strike in turkey. many feel that battlefield defeats have made targets in other countries more tempting to isis. joining us now, the author of radical. my journey out of islam and extremism. >> this information about the strike against isis. er we've been talking about this. that isis is inferring the loss of fallujah, mosul is now on the list for the cities on try to take back for the iraqi authorities. do you think that is encouraging isis to turn to more attacks like the one in istanbul? >> isis needs to prove that it continues remains capable. and for its followers, it needs to prove that it is still an organization that can effectively target the west and strike in the heart of western and european cities. so i think we are going to continue to see these sorts of attacks. >> what is the key reaction? one visceral reaction is protect harder and softer targets. hit these people harder. when you see an attack like this, and i'm going to feel like we talked to you in the wake of everyone of these attacks. what needs to be done? >> i think there are three areas we need to look at. i will focus on the cultural scare. we've had a lot of securing american airports and what have you. if we look at the reaction of turkey, as a government. the reaction in europe and the reaction within muslim communities. there are three specific things i would advise we need to look at. and specifically about culture. first of all, as with afghanistan, governments and heads of state have to recognize that we can no longer afford to tolerate the use of jihadists as a foreign policy asset. because there will always be blowback. that's what has happened in turkey in the sense that isis is targeting turkey because they feel that they want to punish the turks for clamping down, shutting down the border and making it more difficult for isis fighters to get across that border into syria. but historically, there was a level of tolerance by the turkish regime or perhaps turning a blind eye. especially to the oil that was smuggled over the border and sold on the black market in turkey. as happened in afghanistan, this policy of turning a blind eye to jihadists for the sake of the foreign policy. in the sake of turkey, they wanted to support them against the regime in yearsya. there needs to be a change of culture there. the second is the consequences on europe. i fear that this attack, attacks in paris ask brussels, are going to further divide europe and further exacerbate the break-up of the european union. it will lead to racism across europe and in fact the immigration flow made a huge roll in the recent debate in the united kingdom and leaving the this european union. this will continue to have an effect. and the third is muslim communities. here is an opportunity for us as muslims to use this attack as a pushback against isis prop ganld. a here's is a community. isis continues to speak in the name of islam. so there's an opportunity for extremists to be counter extremism activists. to use this to say this organization that claims to speak in your name is killing your brothers and sisters in the name of your own religion and it is high time we began challenging, not just isis. this notion of any form of schram can be imposed anywhere in the world. >> that's one of the things you hear about isis. people who killed in orlando said on the 911 call, the and u.s. the west is killing muslims, bombing muslims. in fact it is isis killing large number of muslims. probably more muslims than anybody else. >> yes. so this false narrative they have used. we know in the u.s., congressmen and women can be muslims. swear even their oath of allegiance on the koran. we know in the united kingdom, we have a muslim mayor of london. this propaganda is at war. more muslims have been killed by al qaeda and isis terrorist attacks than anyone else has killed them. so that's what we have to focus on within muslim communities. and i think as you know, a lot more can be done in that regard. to push back against isis propaganda and specifically, the ideology that underpins propaganda. >> go i appreciate you being on. hillary clinton and trump's responses to this haste attack. as we mentioned, a bit different. this is not the first time they've had to craft a response sadly to deadly terror attacks during their campaigns. we'll take a closer look at the tone of each and the message they sent, next. boy: this is the story of a boy who was very sensitive to lights and sounds. so he built secret hiding places where nothing could get in. the boy didn't like looking people in the eye. it made him feel uncomfortable. one day, he found out he had something called autism. his family got him help. and slowly he learned how to live with it better. announcer: early intervention can make a lifetime of difference. learn the signs at autismspeaks.org. we talked a bit about waterboarding. donald trump calling for it again in the wake of the airport bombing. hillary clinton said all americans stand united with the people of turkey and calling for additional help. this isn't the first time candidates have had to respond to terror attacks. nor is at this time first time they have differed deeply on the subject. >> november 13, 2015. paris is under siege. 130 people killed. many hundreds more wounded. as news of the carnage starts to break in the u.s., this tweet from donald trump. long before isis would claim responsibility. they laughed at me when i said to bomb the isis controlled oil fields. now they are not laughing and doing what i say. 30 minutes later, this from hillary clinton. the reports from paris are harrowing. praying for the city and families of the victims. the stark contrast in political style now a hallmark of the presidential race. december 2, 2015. san bernardino, california. 14 people are gunned down at the inland regional center. the attackers, a husband and wife, later killed in a shoot-out with law enforcement. hillary clinton didn't speak about it until the next day. >> i know that everyone from the fbi to local police are doing everything they can to find answers. >> trump, relatively measured in the initial aftermath of the attack, until this. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> may 19 of this year, egyptair flight 804 crashes into the mediterranean ocean. all 66 on board perish. terrorism is suspected almost immediately. >> it does appear that it was an act of terrorism. exactly how, of course the investigation will have to determine. >> trump, far more emphatic about terrorism, causing the crash. >> what just happened about 12 hours ago? a may nplane got blown out of s. if anybody thinks wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks. okay? >> emfat everything but maybe wrong. now five weeks after the plane went down, investigators are still investigating the cause and the very real possibility mechanical failure or other issues beyond terrorism might be to blame for the tragedy. june 12, a gunman massacres 49 at the pulse nightclub in orlando. later that day, trump echos his call for a ban on muslims. tweeting what has happened in orlando is just the beginning. our leadership is weak and ineffective. i called and it asked for the ban. must be tough. but the ban would have made no difference because it was soon learned the shooter was a u.s. citizen, born and raised in america. this was hillary clinton's response to the orlando shooting. this is a time to stand together and resolve to do everything we can to defend our communities and country. yesterday, they have suicide bombers killed scores in turkey. hillary clinton issues a statement, promising to deepen our cooperation with allies. trump has another idea. >> they said what do you think about waterboarding? i said i like it a hot. i don't think it is tough enough. >> cnn, new york. >> let's talk about this with the panel. also, the former new york city council speaker. and patrick healy, political correspondent for the new york time. it is interesting to see the two styles when you juxtapose them like that. i don't know if it is fair to say that. donald trump is speaking more immediately and in a visceral way that appeals to a lot of people. and hillary clinton more measured and political in her response. one, speaking to the heart. the other to the head, i guess you could say. >> i think you're right. one thing the clinton folks are worried about and have been for quite a while. they were worried about it with bernie sanders and with donald trump. the mood of the country, the desire for real action, big statements, even if there aren't a lot of details to back it up. it is so strong right now that it may swamp the measured, what democrats are measured, thoughtful, detailed responses. her saying we need to work with nato. we need on work with our allies. a lot of americans are feeling like germany and turkey and belgium aren't going to keep america safer. it is america that has to take that responsibility. and donald trump has an appeal that goes so directly. >> you look at the latest quinnipiac poll. 52% think donald trump would be better at defeating isis compared to 29% for clinton. >> when you hear what donald trump is saying, it is to me terrifying. for someone who wants to be president of the united states, i think waterboarding is great. i like waterboarding. it is not tough enough. a practice that has clearly been labeled by everyone as inhumane torture. that's not what we're about. i understand the concern that secretary clinton sometimes may seem too measured. i saw a lot of compassion and empathy and concern in her statements. but we're talking about international terror here. at home and abroad. what we need to keep us not just safe as a country but united and not in a state of panic as a country. which is incredibly important. as somebody who will be thoughtful. who isn't going to make pronouncements that something is terror when they don't know if it was. when people will shoot off at the hip that the answer is to block an entire religion. so i actually, whatever the polls show now, terror is a tragically growing and terrifying thing in this world. and that i know americans hear more of donald trump's bombastic racist inhumane, and in this case, really terror based ideas. they're going to know hillary is the right person. >> okay. that's clearly what the clinton people are hoping for. but the polls don't seem to be bearing that out. >> right. i think americans really want to see strength right now. you look at this administration. i think they've sent a mixed message. on the one hand you have obama coming out after the orlando attacks. basically accelerating the haste of the refugee program. this was days after the attacks. then you have the cia saying isis is trying to infiltrate the united states. part of that is through refugee program. today you see obama saying, isis has lost territory. yes, that is true. they have lost territory. but they haven't lost strength. this is a warning to the united states saying they're trying to come here. you see this mixed bag of goos. people are saying it's enough. it's time to be strong. >> these situations are complex. it is not always so clear cut to be able to say, you know, waterboarding is the solution here. >> but there is one undeniable fact. that terror is linked to our immigration policies. you have ted cruz who mined the justice department date and found 380 of the 580 terror convictions since 9/11 were people foreign born. so this is linked to immigration. it needs to change and donald trump is right. >> but right after the -- >> hang on. after the attack on pulse, which is tragic, and committed by an american. when that was happening, what donald trump did was double down on his muslim ban which clearly i find repulsive as a policy. but worse than that, worse than that he put it out as if it would have been a solution that would have prevented orlando. when you're a leader, worse than giving people no hope is giving them false hope. people have -- >> but the thing with the clinton campaign is they're kind of putting a really big bet, and i understand why they're making it organization donald trump's temperament sinking him. the reality is like it or not, the next four and a half months, his handlers, his people seem to be sculpting him a new candidate. i think we'll see at the republican convention. we'll see that it is a repranlding for donald trump trying to put this forward. may be he'll tee off at those debates and the chins had been able to run ads here, there and everywhere. ultimately, if he continues to different use the argument and he is playing to that emotional chord that americans react to. you could see another brexit. >> if the clinton -- if the trump campaign takes that away as an issue, takes away the temperament thing by sort of developing a more traditional campaign, having him do more teleprompter speeches, it does take away a big weapon from hillary clinton. >> it does. it would completely destabilize the center piece of her campaign. one thing he did after the talks. he said we need to talk with the nra about making sure people on the terror watch list don't get guns. and yes, immigration was not at play with the orlando attacks. it was in play with san bernardino. he was willing to look at guns and the democrats aren't willing to look at immigration. >> waterboarding is not a softer, gentler donald trump. that does not that he to what pat said at all. the evidence is not that donald trump can be the new donald trump we talk about constantly. he called for more than waterboarding. >> just ahead, more than two weeks since the terror attack at a gay nightclub in orlando. the officers first on the scene say they're haunted by what they saw. put some 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people in orlando. some are still struggling with the carnage they witnessed. >> we all looked at one another. we said there's no way we're leaving. these people need our help inside here. >> he ran in moments after the pul pulse. >> what was the first thing you did once you pulled up to the scene? >> i parked my truck out on the roadway. i could see the off duty officer out there that initially called for help. >> the harrowing video from the scene shows officer highland helping load the wounded on to his truck. he quickly used it as an improvised ambulance to get victims to the hospital. >> i was inside the club and that's when i started pulling some of the wounded out. i'd pull one out, come outside and pull another one out. it got to a point where i suffered muscle failure. my legs just gave out as i got the last one out to the car and i remember one of my friends, he grabbed ahold of me, he said take a break, you know, because i literally when i was dragging one of the wounded out, i fell back on my back. >> highland has recovered from the physical stress but it's the wounds you can't see that he still struggles with, although he's seen combat and carnage before as an army officer, it's the images scattered on the dance floor that still haunt him today. >> it's in your own back yard. you're not going to the fight, the fight is coming to you. >> i never thought i'd see anything like that. i can tell you for the rest of my career, i don't think i'll ever see anything like that again. we dealt with so much at one time that how can anything compare. >> they remember being the first medics on scene. >> and we grabbed that first person, we took them to the hospital, i think we going to be back with a bunch more and then that's when we went back. normally it would take us 20, 30 minutes to turn around, clean everything up. this situation we knew there was a lot more people so we just put everything back and went. >> how many people did you transport with your vehicle that day? >> 13 total. >> we made four trips back and forth and took 13 people. >> these two have been riding together for six year. tavarez even trained grenada in medic school. nothing could have prepared them for had. >> the worst mass shooting in u.s. history -- couldn't get back to my routine. it was the first thing i thought of when i woke up and the last thing i thought of when i went to sleep. it was really strange to have nothing else going on in your head other than this horrific act. >> the nightmare might not be over for the first responders, a tendency to second guess their actions delays the ability to move on. >> i question myself. i say what if i had done this or what if i could have done that. i question myself. you're your own worst enemy in is situation like that. >> and back in the scarred city, men and women starting to heal that can only come in time. what is the key in opening with that incident? according to the fire chief in orange county, florida, they 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"cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> we are going to begin with breaking news tonight. look at the video just after a terror attack in istanbul kills 42 people. america strikes isis. iraq says a convoy of more than 300 people, the operation is still going on. a u.s. official said american planes
able to cause damage. we begin tonight with survivor stories with ivan watson. actually let's go to nima elbagi. what is the latest. >> reporter: what is happening here is a sense of the timeline and what you see is how meticulously the plan unfolded. they were able to get into the airport compound not particularly hard because they only searched vehicles that are expected to the outer part of the security perimeter and it is there that they opened fire and undercover of confusion they were able to exchange fire. that is where the first attacker detonated under the cover of confusion, two attackers went through the doors behind me here and pierced through the security perimeter and it is past that way, you see that man who detonated in that video you were just referring to, anderson, the third attacker was able to get outside so when those passengers fled, they were met by that third detonation. why the way this unfolded is causing so much concern in the u.s. is that there are very few airports anywhere in the world other than perhaps baghdad that has a fully secured perimeter as you enter into the airport compound. it is just a very, very high state of preparedness and this is something that clearly the attackers are now aware, anderson and are preparing accordingly. >> the u.s. government clearly suspects isis, we heard from turkish prime minister, they expected isis last night is that still the prevailing theory there? >> yes, absolutely, and turkish officials have gone one further. they're going through the process of trying to identify the attackers or what is left of the attackers, they told us that actually really what they're dealing with, what they're working with is just the lower half of their bodies but they believe that these men were foreign fighters and that of course, that brings into play all sorts of other scenarios. how did they get into the country, if they did get into the country with the border netwo network, there has to be a safe house where all of the detonations, the explosives were prepared, who else is still out there, who else operated along side of them? that is what the turkish authorities have having to learn very, very quickly, anderson. >> it also seems like, i mean, just from the little bit we knew last night that there were certain similarities in perhaps strategy of the attackers to the brussels airport attack this past march. >> yes, really chilling number of similarities. the way that this unfolded, the use of both machine guns, automatic weaponry and explosives, even the number of attackers, three of them, the fact that they started at a point of vulnerability outside the security perimeter in a lot of those we've been speaking to in the intelligence community, it is intentional. mirroring. it is placing turkey along that same continue yum we saw in paris, brussels and istanbul but heartbreakingly also, anderson, the stories we're hearing from the eyewitnesss, from the survivors, are so, so similar. one woman was talking about how much of the damage, how much of the death was caused by those shattering those falling roof tiles, the ceiling tiles and talking about having to slide across the blood soaked floors, that was almost word for word what i was hearing from eyewitnesss in brussels and it is really an intentional echoing litany of terror to not only terrify people who lived through this but keep people in a state of awareness, what next and what will that look like. >> is the airport fully operational again? >> extraordinarily, it is, behind me, we've been walking people cue up the same doors that people fled out of yesterday. people violent been orderly going through the security zone, i mean, i watched hundreds of passengers and crew just really feeling the determination to be part of the coming back to life of the airport as you said, this really isn't a unique or isolated event in turkey. unfortunately, they've gotten all too accustomed to try to patch together some kind of sense of normality in the after math of these attacks, anderson. >> i've been watching the story, two survivor as with new details of what went on inside the airport. >> steven nabile and shores just got married. >> it was a beautiful wedding to be honest. >> she deserves it. >> after a honeymoon in greece and italy, the couple was on a five hour lay over at istanbul's ataturk airport tuesday night waiting for their night back home to the u.s. that is when the terrorists attacked. >> i literally ordered salads and the pizza slice when the guy turned to put the slice in the oven, i heard the gunshots from far. >> did you recognize that those were gunshots? >> yes. ak-47. >> no question. >> auto matt yiautomatic rifle. >> what is your thoughts. >> she is hurt. the worst nightmare is haunting snus he saw a man with a gun shooting in the departure ease hall. >> i'm not sure if he was the actual gunman or the cops firing at him, but thereto was a gun and there were bullets coming from them. i would see the echos and all of that from the gun. >> reporter: the terrified couple ran and hid in this little kitchen which steven filmed on his phone. >> through the door, they heard chaos outside. >> we heard people yelling, stop, stop. >> it looked like somebody is killing somebody else. >> that is when the victims were ones that were streaming. >> steven didn't know whether or not the gun men were still in the airport, on the hunt for more victims. >> at that point i said i'm going to make a video to tell our story because we're going most likely die here. >>. >> speaking in his family's native arabic, he tells them to pray for him. >> i remember, i told them, this is it, this is our last seconds in our life. right here. >> this is when i realized this is the moment i might lose my new family i just made and everything i dreamed for. >> but steven says if a militant came through the door, he wasn't going to go down without a fight. >> i was going to kill him. this is it. this is my new life. >> 45 minutes later, the terrified couple eventually emerged to bloody scenes in the airport. >> i want to thank all of the turkish first responders, the ambulances, the drivers, the cops, they're protecting us. they're doing their best. a lot of them were bleeding. they fought it out. >> reporter: an ambulance rushed narneem to a hospital. she is recovering from bruises suffered after being tramped by panicked people fleeing the gunman. but dealing with the emotional trauma has barely begun. >> i want to go back to the states. i told him, i don't want to come back to this country anymore. i don't want to come to the middle east anymore. >> this evening, the couple rushed to catch a flight from another istanbul airport hoping to leave this horrible chapter of their honeymoon far behind. >> and ivan watson joins us live from istanbul. you used to live in istanbul. you know this airport incredibly well. it is, i mean, were you surprised they were able to get so close? it was the arrivals as opposed to the departure hall i suppose. >> what is frightening is hearing from eyewitnesss the suggestions that some of the men, two of them perhaps were able to run from one floor of the airport down to the first floor, get from the departures hall down an escalator into the first floor and get the freedom of mobility but what can you do if you have men armed who are doing a camkamakazi run into a place like an international airport and certainly an international airport as busy as this win. just about that couple, anderson, first of all, imagine their lack of knowledge about what is going october they don't know if there are three or ten attackers out there. those moments when they were trapped in the little kitchen, the husband, steven, was looking for a weapon to protect his bride and the only thing he could find was a pot of boiling water which he was prepared to try to use to then sacrifice his life to protect his bride. fortunately, that didn't have to happen and both of them say that the fact that they stopped at the vatican during their honeymoon and they lit candles and prayed there, they believe that somebody, something was protecting them throughout this awful ordeal. >> i've been watching in istanbul. ivan thank you. president obama spoke with turkey's president expressing solidarity and along side canada's prime minister he says he believes isis is responsible and what he thinks is motivating the attacks. >> they're continually losing ground, unable to govern the areas that they've taken over, that they're going to be defeated in syria, they'll be defeated in iraq. >> and we'll talk more, a little bit later in the program about that notion of isis lashing out because their so called caliphate is being taken from them. let's bring in philip mudd and jul julia keyyan. >> you want names involved. >> we're looking back at the coverage. looking at victims. i have to look forward. think of this is a spider web. in that is a name that gives me a signal on the phones, if i can find a phone, based on things like e-mail addresses, a signal about who game thiv money, who gave them false passports. communications that indicate who was back home in syria, as soon as i get that name, i might be able to map that network and say who else is out there for the next one? 42 people are already dead. that is the past. i want a name to figure out the network that will kill us in the future. >> the other question i guess, phil, is were these people trained in turkey? were they, you know, folks who, whether they're turkish descent who went to florida to receive training there are some place else. >> my take is these are people who were sent from syria. i wouldn't call this high end. this is not somebody who is a rank amateur. it is a classic terror program here that is the initial person breaches the perimeter, used to be done with truck bombs by al qaeda, the second truck in this case, the second group of individuals takes advantage of that to move into the facility, that kind of planning, that kind of thinking, you don't get with somebody who hasn't talked to a trained operator. >> we have seen that recently of truck bombs going in, creating a breach, and then people on foot going in after that. >> one of the things you have to remember when we're talking about isis and talking about hundreds of people from north america, thousands from western europe is as soon as someone who we refer to as a home grown decides they want to get on a train or a plane and travel to trained operatives in a place like syria. the operational capability takes a huge step up. not only ideology coming out of syria but the capability to transition a 17-year-old or a 20-year-old with modest capabilities into somebody who wants a two stage attack into the airport. >> assuming, if it is isis, i mean, we saw in the wake of the paris attacks, they ultimately released video of paris attackers training, making sort of martyrdom videos, do you expect you would see the same sort of thing here down the road? >> yes, characteristically you would. the only difference here as we've discussed for the past 24 hours, when it comes to terror alerts, there is a big question as to who the perpetrator is. >> why would they want the ambiguity? >> turkey usually comes out and says it is probably the pkk, probably the curds. what that you see did -- probably the kurds. it drives a wedge within the turkish political establishment and society. pkk also, when turkey escalates the military campaign against the insurgency, then starts to do, you know, more terrorist attacks. isis is counting to turkey being distracted from the war against isis and focusing on the 40-year-old insurgency. >> julia, we don't know how many people were behind the attack, hard to believe it would just be these three. there is likely a larger nexus of people who are part of the planning like we saw in paris and brussels, correct? >> that is absolutely right. you would have to assume that there are, you know, dozens or at least a dozen people who knew of the planning, these guys have to live. they have to be fed. they have to have money, they have to have resources, access to weaponry, so there is no way that this investigation is over simply balls the three of them are dead. look, these guys, they're not, they bomb themselves so we have to get them the blood material, the tissue material to determine who exactly they are and then from that, view them as the bulls eye. from that go in rings to see who this were they in contact with, who are the family members. so this is an investigation in which essentially begins with sort of blood and dna forensics at this stage. >> our panelists will stick around. we'll take a short break. a lot more to talk about including the u.s. intelligence communities take on the attacks and the possibility of them trying something similar here in the united states and why squeezing isis on the home turf may make the rest of the world, the united states included more dangerous. after a long day, jen stops working, but her aleve doesn't. hey mom! because aleve can last 4 hours longer than tylenol 8 hour. what will you do with your aleve hours? 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to not give any tip-off of who they may be who -- once you have a name, as you said, you'll start to unravel the spiders. >> i think there are a couple of additional explanations. in some of these cases with an organization like isis and not training them all and the first question i have is do they know whether they're actually responsible for this one? it might take them a day or two to say are these our guys? >> so it's not that coordinated necessarily? they're not necessarily in communication with all kinds of different branches? >> that's right. on the day of 9/11 you have three years in preparation saying our guys just did it. clearly, they know centrally directed, trained, funded and in contact with the 9/11 hijackers. are we sure, is this our people? is there a question? the second quick explanation is whether they actually are looking at this saying we need to make a claim. terrorism is to intimidate somebody. if they don't know you conducted the operation how can you be intimidated and nobody has a question in this case of who did it. you don't have to have a claim for the turks to say wow, there is a tremendous cause to the intervention in syria. >> it's a weapon of the week that it's used to create a larger reaction that then helps your cause. do you buy that in this case? that the battlefield losses and the loss of fallujah and kind of the difficulty isis is having and holding on to and certainly expanding any territory? yes and no. it's a fallacy to say that this is a new strategy. if you go back to the early days of iraq and abu musab al zarqawi was trying to carry out attacks in jordan and they did carry out their 9/11. >> three hotels. >> exactly. isis has always had it in its mind to conduct the foreign operations. before they lost kobani, in september 2014, abu muhammad al adnani and the famous one, pick up the rock and smash the kof ar's head and if you're a muslim, you live in the land of disbelief to carry out these attacks even if you're inspired by the ideology. since it's begun to shrink, it is true that trained up operatives people that have been to raqqah and received the bomb training. remember, you have to volunteer to be a suicide bomber in isis. one of the security officials told me that after he defected. in this, since the loss of this territory they have dispatched these agents abroad to carry out these operations. if those guys and if looks to me, anderson, that those guys that conducted this attack at the airport, had some kind of combat training and it was not ultra professional, but it was something. if they were trained in syria i would be very surprised if in the next days or weeks you didn't see a propaganda video on the battlefield holding a knife to the hostage's head and that's exactly what the paris attackers happened after their attack. >> juliette, in terms of threats here in the united states airports and ramping up security at airports in the united states, the protocols vary from airport to airport and a lot of it comes to funding and manpower and technology and frankly, there's only so much you can do because you're moving huge numbers of people through these facilities every day. >> -- i mean, they're called soft targets, not because people are negligent or they want people to be vulnerable and they are open to the public and they want to be welcoming whether it's a football stadium, a concert hall or an airport and we would have to reconceive the notion of an airport. it would be you can't say the good-byes and you can't say the hellos and move everyone who is not going through security with a ticket, right? way outside the airport. we're not there yet. i don't think it's feasible, the manpower would be almost impossible. so soft target is sometimes viewed as derogatory and these areas are welcoming for a variety of reasons. >> also, no matter where you set up some sort of a checkpoint to, you know, to check people on the perimeter of an airport, you're still creating a bottleneck for people which is a site of any large gathering of people and it's a site where there could be an attack. >> ten miles away, i have a problem at mile 10.01 so we have an issue coming up. we have a very tactical operational issue which is july 4th weekend. people are nervous and aggregating in big groups and you will see a resurgence in the airports and the big concerts and sort of the big moments of july 4th. the longer issue is the isis-inspired or isis directed and that's going to require the layered security we've been talking about. it's not one fix. it's not, we move the perimeter and we get more dogs and we do this. it is a combination of resources to minimize the risk, but recognizing that the risk will not get to zero. the vulnerability will exist so long as it's an open, welcoming place. we are making that choice, you know? >> yeah. we've come to recognize the hallmarks, obviously, of isis terror operations even though there's been no claim of responsibility and the istanbul attack shows a pattern favored by the shooting and the suicide vests. we'll tell you more of what we know about these strategies and suicide attacks next. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support. it's a fiber supplement that helps support regularity, and includes b vitamins to help convert food to energy. mmm, these are good! nice work phillips'. the tasty side of fiber, from phillips. wannwith sodastream®er? you turn plain water into sparkling water in seconds. and because it's so delicious, you'll drink 43% more water every day. sodastream®. love your water. dale! oh, hey, rob. what's with the minivan? it's not mine. i don't -- dale, honey, is your tummy still hurting, or are you feeling better to ride in the front seat? oh! is this one of your motorcycling friends? hey, chin up there, dale. lots of bikers also drive cars. in fact, you can save big if you bundle them both with progressive. i'd like that. great. whoo. you've got soft hands. he uses my moisturizer. see you, dale. bye, rob. ...meta appetite control. you and temptation with... clinically proven to help reduce hunger between meals. new, from metamucil, the #1 doctor recommended brand. as we've been reporting both u.s. intelligence officials and turkish officials say all signs point to isis to the attacks in istanbul. no one bears responsibility. there are grim calling cards soerked with isis, in particular certain types of isis terrorists, the most dangerous type of terrorist, in pack, one who wants to die. randy kaye reports and a warning, this does contain disturbing images. >> reporter: istanbul, brussels, paris. three different cities, three well-coordinated attacks. all strikingly similar. at both the istanbul and brussels airports, a group of three men carried out the attack. in both cases the men got to the airport by taxi, all had explosives. in istanbul, they wore suicide vests. in brussels, explosives were hidden in their luggage which they pushed through the airport before detonating. >> at brussels airport in march none of the men carried gun, but at istanbul, they did. there, this terrorist was caught on surveillance video running and firing his weapon before he was shot by an airport police officer. squirming in pain, it appears he is shot again. seconds later, he blows himself up. >> though no one has officially claimed responsibility for the istanbul attack, it's a familiar strategy. shoot civilians dead and detonate a suicide vest, and it's a tactic becoming isis' favorite way to terrorize the west. >> the primary difference from a more typical suicide bombing or suicide attacker is that they are heavily armed usually and they go into a place whether it's a theater, a nightclub or restaurant and they try to kill as many people as they possibly can before detonating their explosive vests. >> these types of fighters are called inhamaze, often referred to as suicide warriors. they're trying to kill as many people as possible on the battlefield and while also trying to give your life for the sake of god in one of these operations. >> before istanbul, we saw inghamazi at work at the bataclan theater in paris. in that attack last november, isis fighters, heavily armed and wearing explosives, killed concert goers at random. 89 people died in that attack. one attacker was killed by gun fire and his own explosives. the two others blew themselves up. >> for them, the mission is not complete if they don't commit suicide at the end. if they are captured alive somehow they do not believe that they reap all of the spiritual benefits and rewards from the operation as they do if they die at the end of it. >> a heavily armed terrorist who wants to die. a deadly combination for anyone who gets in his way. randy kaye, cnn, new york. with us again, cnn senior international correspondent ivan watson, and daily beast editor and co-author of "isis, inside the army of terror" and clarissa ward who you just saw in randi's piece. >> this tactic of using guns and suicide vests to cause as much damage as possible. we saw it in in paris and this attack how new of a tactic is it? >> it's not something that perhaps they were prepared for and something this organized and well orchestrated. if you look at what's been taking place on the battlefields across the border from turkey in iraq and syria, we've seen isis using these kinds of jerry-rigged armored vehicles rigged with explosives and they look like something out of mad max and we'll see in the videos that isis puts out a suicide bomber getting into one of those vehicles and driving straight towards front lines to try to soften them up and maybe just not one of these vehicles, but more than one to pave the way for the ground troops that will follow and you can argue in the case of ataturk airport that was a similar tactic that would have been used without the armored vehicles with the heavily armed kamikaze fighters who knew where they were going and knew how to break through the defenses of this airport. >> it is interesting, clarissa, how these tactics sort of evolve. i remember in baghdad when the palestine hotel was hit. that was, i think, a truck bomb. one truck bomb opening up a breach and another truck bomb entering to get closer to the building to destroy it and there was the evolution of the mumbai-style attacks which we also saw in afghanistan, of multiple attackers and hitting multiple locations paralyzing a city. so it does seem like these tactics do evolve over the months and the years. >> absolutely, anderson. actually i was in the palestine hotel in the bombing that you're talking about and you're exactly right. it was two car bombs which essentially blew up the barricades that were around the hotel and then a massive truck bomb came in in the gap that was created by those first two bombings and it was only because it got caught on razor wire that it detonated and no one was killed. these have been around for awhile. these coordinated attacks are not new, but what we're seeing with isis i think which is interesting is that they're rapidly evolving, they're rapidly adapting and they're improvising. the first thing an isis fighter does when he joins isis is he undergoes intensive training, a kind of boot camp and the training is twofold. it's a military training and a psychological training and one thing that i can't emphasize enough that we have seen before with militant jihadist groups and not perhaps quite to the same level of an nilism with isis is the commitment to death and the absolute resignation, if not excitement to die in the name of these kinds of attacks. >> some called it a death cult essentially. >> it is. you can weed out the men from the boys, if you like. in kchk o -- in koban ivlg, one of the isis defectors they went like lemings off of the cliff ones that were the committed, die hard death cultistists, right? other battles where isis was being sent into sudden death where the coalition could spot them from the sky and the kurdish forces on the ground would shoot at them and essentially picking them off one by one and a lot of them ran away and deserted and they didn't want to play this game anymore. the kamikaze warriors as clarissa was saying. on the battlefield they'll shoot you up when they run out of ammunition and they'll actually run up to the enemy and hug him and grab him so that they take them out with him. there was a remarkable story in the wall street journal about how they disappeared from fallujah. they essentially left their comrades to die in these readouts in the hospital in fallujah. there was an isis contingent and they said what about the shabob over there, we'll see them in the after life. don't worry about them. this is one of the reasons why they're extending manpower and resources so recklessly. >> we have to leave it there. michael, thank you so much. how the deadly attack unfolded step by step. what we know and what investigators are looking at very closely and the picture coming into focus and detail by detail and tom foreman walks us through. what if we designed a stain for your deck... that not only looked as handsome as charles stephens' barrel on his farewell voyage over niagara falls... but stood up to any kind of weather... ...no matter if the forecast is this... ...or this... ...or this. if a stain can make your deck beautiful and survive any amount of torture... ...is it still stain? 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>> i agree with you, anderson. that is very confusing right now. at least one pretty experienced person said that he thought it was 15 minutes. that is a tremendous amount of time for something like this to still be going on. it's not impossible, but it's a long time. other people put it in much shorter period of time. what we do know is however long it was, it was long enough to see the hallmarks of exactly when you've been talking about, a planned attack. they didn't just jump out and set off their explosives the minute they got out of the car. one seems to have done something like that, but the other two clearly spread out and tried to penetrate, tried to do as much damage by shooting first before setting off their explosives all the more reason that investigators are looking closely to say did they have help? how did they plan this? this wasn't so much just a rash decision at a moment and it looks like they really wanted to hit the airport in different locations and do as much damage as possible before their suicide bomb went off. >> tom foreman, thank you. >> no one can see the video of the istanbul attack and not have a reaction and that includes the the two people who could be the president of the nas united sta in voters minds. next. because aleve can last 4 hours longer than tylenol 8 hour. what will you do with your aleve hours? 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[ laughs ] the attack on the airport in istanbul presents another opportunity to see how the presumptive presidential nominees react in the face of tragedy. hillary clinton put out a statement. donald trump talked about fighting fire with fire renewing his stance to use waterboarding or worse, whatever worse may be. very different approaches and what is resonating most with voters tasked with choosing the next commander in chief. john king shows what the polling does show. as voters watch events like istanbul and consider the vote for president john, does either trump or clinton have a particular advantage? >> no, anderson, they don't. there are questions at the heart and a split verdict. let's look at this question. the quinnipiac university poll out today, who were best prepared to be president? who is best prepared to be president? . pretty big advantage there. hillary clinton, 58% and 33% and just the big picture question and which one of the candidates is best prepared to be your commander in chief. here's another clinton lead on who is best to handle an international crisis and when you think more big picture, her experience seems to weigh out over donald trump, but then you get into different questions. who is the strongest leader? mr. trump's brand is strength and he leads on that question and when voters are specifically asked who do you think would best handle isis? donald trump has quite a significant lead. he is talking about bringing back waterboarding and fighting fire with fire and his tough talk seems to win over. her strength and toughness helps on others. >> voters are conflicted on the commander in chief question. >> let's look at it in more detail. asks a series of questions. nbc/wall street journal poll out, and it's a split verdict and fascinating. who would best stand who would best handle terrorism and donald trump with an edge on that one and who would be a good commander in chief? hillary clinton has the edge. who is best able to handle a crisis? >> hillary clinton has the significant edge. so on questions of the head, if you will, you think about who can handle this over time, she seems to win. on questions of more visceral heart and strength, he seems to win. so it is a mixed message from voters. >> there has to be differences across demographic lines. >> what's interesting, on these security questions, commander in chief questions, you have the same splits whether it is immigration, the economy, white americans versus nonwhite americans. especially white men. donald trump's biggest strength is white men. who is best on terrorism and homeland security? donald trump has a 31-point edge with white men. hillary clinton had has a huge advantage with nonwhite voters. then you flip the question here, hillary clinton has the advantage. who would best be commander in chief, a 12-point advantage nationally. but, wow, hillary clinton has a 60-point advantage on nonwhites. so white men view the world and very differently than non white >> stay with us. s. we want to bring in gloria borger and patrick healy. i assume the clinton people thought the secretary of state clinton's experience as secretary of state, they would have had an advantage on foreign policy. >> right. however, they're up against somebody, as john was saying, who is perceived to have great strength. so what they're now looking at is saying, okay, he might be perceived as having great strength but he is a risk. he doesn't have the temperament to be commander in chief. on the risk front, they will point to things he said on foreign policy. he has taken back on the ban on muslims. and he will turn to her and say you were part of this administration and we still have isis and terrorists. >> and the arab spring happened on your watch. >> so experience can cut both ways. >> clearly, donald trump seems to be, i'm not sure if reigning in is the right word but his campaign has become more traditional. i assume, that probably helps him fight back on that temperament issue. >> i think it does. usually he would put out a statement after a bombing like this in which he got in a line about crooked hillary or he went on and on at length about tangents. instead, he put out a short tight statement and hit the same points over and over again about america being tougher. america having to stand up for itself. america doing whatever it will take to protect itself. whereas hillary clinton, one of the first things she talked about was nato and receiving out to allies and the need on work multilaterally with other countries. this goes, whether it is brexit, a lot of the white men in different swing states, how they're feeling about america and its place in the world. hillary clinton will have a tough time selling this idea that nato is going to be the answer to protect us when so many americans feel, one poll said three quarters of americans feel refugees coming out of syria and iraq a major threat to the united states. so he has, he still has that more pointed emotional appeal. >> i remember back in 2004 days before the election. osama bin laden released a videotape message threatening america. john kerry pointed that as costing him the election. there are still four months left in the campaign. things are still very fluid. >> so we're having this discussion at the end of june, close to july. both candidates are trying to shape this conversation heading into the conventions to try to use that platform. if we were having this conversation in october, it could be a very different conversation. inside the clinton campaign, they want to use the convention and any public statements to say donald trump is not thoughtful or methodical. he is not calm, cool and steady. you don't want him in the situation room on a given day. mr. trump says, look at their record. it could be very different that there is an event late in the campaign, say september or october. >> the more dug in, the more the lines are drawn. it does come down to more undecided voters in swing states. >> and we're not sure how many undecided voters there are. i don't think it is a huge group. there are going to be some people who come down as a result of terrorism. particularly if you have events like we just saw in turkey. more and more people will care about tourism. in the end it will be about these people, these candidates getting the voters to the polls and mobilizing them rather than persuading. >> hillary clinton has the problem, there are many people in the democratic party who view her as too hawkish. so she's got to show herself being tough and yet there is a lot of folks who see her as too tough. >> absolutely. she is already claiming the democratic party is unified. that's just not the case. there are a lot of people who have misgivings. on foreign policy, hillary clinton will be possibly more like george w. bush or roberts gates than barack obama. they're not sure. when the trust question comes up for -- for republicans, they don't trust her on so many things. for democrats, it is about foreign policy. will she take that multilateral not get us engaged in other countries approach. or will she be so much tougher? and with undecided voters, i think the question becomes, is this going to be a referendum on donald trump and his temperament or is this a referendum of do we want four more years of more of the same which is hillary. and i think for undecided voters, there are different sizes. >> and on foreign policy, you can make the case, as hillary has, that she's more muscular than obama, particularly on syria, for example, which might work with republicans, not with the democrats. >> thank you. a lot more ahead on this two-hour edition of "360" you go there a newly wed couple on their way home. they thought they were going to die. plus new details about how the terrorists carried out the deadly attack. 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"credit karma. give yourself some credit." good evening. thank you for joining us. the death toll climb in the turkish airport bombing now at 42. concerns are growing within the community that isis will try something like it here. also, more incredible stories are emerging of survival in the face of an attack designed plain and simple to kill as many as possible. still one of the stories from the last hour, newlyweds who thought they were going to die. we'll see them again this hour. now with that and all the other late developments from istanbul's airport which is back up and running. do we have any clear picture of what actually happened and who is behind it? >> reporter: we know that the authorities are pointing the finger at the number one suspect being isis. we know there were three
so a healthy eight-point lead for hillary clinton. why is this happening? whether it's the two-way or four-way, hillary clinton has moved up from the democratic national convention. a four-point edge for secretary clinton, worth remembering, anderson, on election day 2012, president obama lost to mitt romney by five points. so this is a good number for her. if she can hold that lead among independents, she'll be hard to beat. one more point, most of the party pros tell you out of the political convention, which party is more unified, advantage clinton. 95% of clintons say they plan to vote for their nominee. only 78% of republicans say they plan to vote for trump. >> any particular issues behind the rise for clinton and also any warning signs for the clinton campaign? >> let's look at the personal qualities. this first one, has the right experience to be president. if secretary clinton can talk about doing the job, 67% to 31% think she has the right experience to be president. more americans say they would be more proud of hillary clinton as their president than donald trump as their president. more americans say hillary clinton would do a better job uniting the country than donald trump. the only red light in this poll is 30% of president clinton say she's honest and trustworthy. that's bad number when you're trying to be president of the united states. her only benefit, donald trump's numbers are in the same boat. overall, these numbers are very good for hillary clinton. >> this is a national poll. what about the electoral map, any clues? >> donald trump has to win pennsylvania, and ohio. if he can't win florida, he'll have to pick up michigan and wisconsin. we did break it down by region. in the midwest, hillary clinton has that big lead nationally. in the midwest, it's still tight. you see the third party candidates here. advantage but not as big advantage in the midwest. a lot of white voters across here. these states are whiter, they're older. your level of education says a lot about how you'll vote. white college graduates, hillary clinton with an 11-point lead over donald trump. but white noncollege grad, look at the stop for donald trump. if you look at these numbers here, anderson, still suggests we have a competitive race across the rust belt. >> and hillary clinton was introduced tonight by billionaire warren buffett, who challenged donald trump to release his tax returns. and he promised to do the same, even though he, like donald trump, is under audit. donald trump took to twitter today responding to mr. khan. did he mention that controversy in his town hall earlier today? >> reporter: no, anderson, he did not. we're waiting to see what donald trump says at this rally in pennsylvania. he avoided the subject entirely at an event in ohio earlier today. he did talk about it briefly with a local news station earlier in the day saying he considers captain khan a hero but that he was, quote, viciously attacked by kzhir khan and he will always respond when that happens so no apology from donald trump. >> some republican leaders have been weighing in as well on this. what have they been saying? >> reporter: in just the last couple of hours, donald trump's running mate, mike pence, was confronted by a woman at an event earlier today and he was asked how she could tolerate trump's behavior and the comments about the khan family and he reiterated that he and donald trump considered captain khan a hero. john mccain and house speaker paul ryan weighed in supporting the khan family. it is worth noting, very interesting development tonight that paul ryan is facing a primary challenge right now in wisconsin. trump tweeted earlier that he appreciates what that challenger has been saying about donald trump out on the campaign trail. so make no mistake, that is a warning shot from donald trump on twitter, just tonight to the speaker of the house. apparently in regards to thissish shaw of the khan family. >> let's bring on our panel now. we're very happy to have our panel on our program. john dickinson, host of "face the nation." john dickinson, you've interviewed donald trump an awful lot of times. is there something he could have done earlier on to just -- i mean, other than his first initial interview to not make this what's become a multi-day problem? >> he could have done what a lot of republicans i've talked to know as the standard things in these instances, which is you honor the service, you honor the family and you move on, no matter what attack they made on you. what was brought up to me is it was in his second sentence when he first asked about this, he went right to asking questions about mrs. khan. so he put this on the table in his response. this is something the clinton campaign is enjoying watching him have difficulty with this. it was his decision to respond in this way. >> when you look at the polls of john king, what jumps out at you? >> this is the best possible time for hillary clinton, just after four days of positive pr, so we have to wait about a week. republicans haven't lost college educated since 1952. that means hillary clinton is reaching into the republican coalition. donald trump is doing that by getting some democrats in that blue collar vote that he's got, but if he loses those college educated voters, that's a big problem for him. he's got his base. the question is can he grow his base. right now hillary clinton is taking out of his base and he's not doing things -- this controversy and other things he said is not helping with college educated voters. >> did donald trump ever apologize for anything? did he ever admit making a mistake? if he had just said i misspoke or tried to wrap this up immediately, he's continuing to go on about this. >> he's apologized to mrs. trump on many occasion. donald trump is a person who when he takes a position, holds to that position. >> you never heard him apologize and say i made a mistake. >> i think what you heard from donald trump is when he takes a position, he stands by that position, because he thinks about what he says and he means what he says. >> you really think he thinks about what he says? >> i do. i think what the difference is politicians have gotten in this world of political correctness, where they want to say what people think they want them to say opposed to what they really want to say. he's got them to rethink our participation in nato or a number of things. >> or talking about why the mother of a fallen hero doesn't speak? do you think that's -- >> i think in that -- >> a thought-out position? >> i think in that particular instance what you find and what i have experienced with donald trump is that he is a counterpuncher. always has been through this campaign. when jeb bush attacked him in the primaries or someone else attacked him -- >> he attacked a silent woman. >> he waited. he didn't participate in the democratic convention, obviously. this family went and made statements that he took personally. he has said that their son is a hero and remains a hero for his service to the country. >> he didn't say that initially, though. >> but he has said that. he said their son is a hero for making the ultimate sacrifice to the country. and no one will deny that. what i think they thought is they questioned his patriotism and they questioned his commitment to the country and he took that as a personal attack on him. that was his response. >> christine? >> can i just say a couple of things here? it's important to note that mrs. khan did not speak so mr. khan spoke. and then what donald trump did was, in my opinion, insinuate that her religion prevented her from speaking or her husband's kind of control of her prevented her from speaking. and, in my opinion, kind of insinuated that there was something maternally lacking. now none of those things are true. when we saw her speak in tears, she told america that she can't speak when there is a picture of her son in the room. she can't even enter some rooms where there are pictures of her son. she did not want to share those things with america. but she, her religion and her family and i can't in god's name understand why, it seems cruel to me, were attacked by donald trump. >> if this were a thought-out statement by donald trump and he did have several days to think this out, he would have initially said of course their son is a hero, has sacrificed and anything i have done does not compare to that sacrifice. >> but that's not what he did. and it's the initial reaction by donald trump that is so troubling. his initial reaction was to lash out in a very petulant, vindictive way. he didn't just say oh, their son is a hero and move forward. he actually had the audacity to compare their sacrifice and their son's sacrifice to what he's done as a businessman. that is beyond the pale. donald trump a silver spooned draft dodger who bragged about bedding women as men and women went to vietnam. and they he talked about being he was a brave soldier when he talked about his sexual exploits. he wants people to believe that his sacrifice is comparable? this kind of behavior and reaction by donald trump is the temperamentally unfit aspect of his character. >> do you have any trouble with what donald trump said? >> he was attacked and his patriotism was questioned. >> get over it! he needs to get over it. he's running for the president of the united states. >> yes, his son is a hero. there's no question about that. >> do you have any trouble with donald trump's initial reaction? >> no, let's go to the core of the issue. it's the nation-building policy that put her son there. >> that's a talking point that you guys have not developed. [ overlapping speakers ] >> her child is dead. >> you have no problem with his initial reaction, not saying that this man was a hero, you have no problem with him going after the mother, that's no problem with you? >> he didn't say that. >> my question to you is simple -- >> anderson, can i -- >> do you have a problem at all -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> no, i don't have a problem when someone's patriotism is attacked that they stand up for themselves. >> let's call a spade a spade. he is a divisive, thin-skinned, megalomaniac who makes every single crisis about him. look what he said after orlando. he said see, i was right, it was about muslim extremism. which, by the way, it was not. he did the same thing here, he took it personally, he lashed out. >> we're going to take a quick break. we have more with our panel coming up. a lot of different sides for his clash with the khan family. we'll dig deeper into the question is how far is too far. can donald trump still say anything and not drive away voters? hillary clinton gives an answer on the e-mail scandal and she gets a thumbs down, four pinocchios from fact chakers -- checkers. ♪ ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile. that's why i got a subaru impreza. 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>> reporter: and that statement did not hurt him in the polls either. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> i guess the question is that immunity from consequences in any way changing. mike pence was confronted over trump's back and forth by the khan family by a woman who says her son serves in the air force. >> time and time again trump has disrespected our nation and armed forces and his disrespect for mr. khan and his family is an example of that. will there ever be a point in time when you can look trump in the eye and say enough is enough? you have a son in the military, how do you tolerate his disrespect? >> i thank you for the question. it's all right. it's all right. folks, that's what freedom looks like and that's what freedom sounds like, okay? it is. let me say, first, i want to honor your son's service to the country and your family's service to the country. i truly do. having spent time with our nominee, i have never been around someone more devoted to to the armed forces of this country, more devoted to our soldiers, sailors, marines, airman and coast guard. he supports our veterans like in other leader in my lifetime. >> you've interviewed trump a number of times. is there any reason to believe this time is different, this battle he's been having for days and getting a lot of attention for is going to make any difference? >> a lot of the previous example took place in the republican primary. the question here is impulsiveness. they will tell you the bar for him to cross is whether they think they can hand over the presidency to him. if impulsiveness looks like something he can't restrain, even in a situation where you have a gold star family, yes, he's a counterpuncher, but the situation here calls for restraint. so does being president. if people believe he cannot constrain his impulses, they're not going to give him the office. you see the clen clinton campaign playing on this. hillary clinton said anyone you can bait in a tweet is not someone you want to give nuclear codes to. the other thing that can hurt him is republicans, who are even on board, there are 98 days till the election, their electoral hopes and dreams are tied to trump. the riskier he continues to be the closer you get to election day, the harder it is to get out from under him and the more chances he may survive with his group, but there could be damage to the party and to them. they think he's just too chaotic. when he picked mike pence, it helped stabilize the campaign. what they were worried about was volatility. this fight with the kahns is more volatility and a predictor of even more. >> is he doing enough to reach out to new voters. he's got the voters and they're incredibly loyal, perhaps more loyal than we've seen for anyone else in the primary season but is he doing enough to reach out to those independents? >> if you look at the primary process, 16 candidates in the race, 14 million votes, highest of any republican candidate who has never run for office at any time in the history of our country in a primary season. he's bringing new people into the matter. the republican party is expanding. the democrats are losing people. if you look at hillary clinton's votes eight years ago against barack obama, her numbers are down 27% in california from where they were eight years ago. people are reenergized. the american working class who has not had a raise in 20 years, who is making less money today than 20 years ago in real dollars are fed up with democrats in washington and they want someone who is going to fundamentally change washington and that's why they're reengaged in the electoral process. >> i want to take a step back for a second. the segment before talked about what he could get away with and what he's gotten away with and could he continue to get away with it. that's a different question from what's right and what is the appropriate american way to tell the truth and most importantly to treat a gold star family. for donald trump, this is about who hit first, who hit second, who hit third and fourth. which is no way to sit in a room if you're negotiating international affairs. but let's start here. one, donald trump supported the iraq war before he switched his position and he came against it. so to say if he had been president captain khan would be alive, which would be a blessing, the facts don't bear that out and his vice presidential choice also supported the war. two, mr. khan went up there and spoke. mrs. khan said nothing. why did they speak? because donald trump put out a proposal to ban muslims. and all you say to them, if you're a person with half a soul is thank you. why can't he say that and then shut his mouth? >> this is days after hillary clinton said something which is just factually not true in an interview. donald trump could have spent the last several days focusing on that, and instead he's in these tangential battles. doesn't it distract attention to what hillary clinton said? which we're going to cover tonight. >> of course it does. to the extent she says a lot of things that aren't true. this was a premeditated speech. yes, we do appreciate the sacrifices of her son. he is an american hero. but this is a premeditated speech done for political purposes. he put himself in front of america, questioned donald trump's patriotism. for what reason? >> he didn't do that. that is not true. >> no, he asked him -- i watched it. >> watch it again. >> i watched it and actually, it brought me to tears because i thought to myself here is a perfect example of what this country stands for. this is an immigrant family that has a hero son assimilated to this country who is actually speaking their minds, which they're allowed to do in america still and saying, mr. trump, have you actually read this constitution because some of the things that donald trump says are awfully suspect of the constitution. i've never heard donald trump talk about liberty and freedom and the constitution. as a matter of fact, he thinks there's 12 articles in the constitution. it was perfectly valid for the kahn family after donald trump proposed a ban on all muslims for them to say look at us, what are you doing and we represent what america should be. there is nothing wrong with that. if donald trump can't handle that, then mr. big, bad bully from new york, he needs to audition for another job other than president of the united states. we've got to take another break. a lot more to talk about. >> ahead, donald trump's remarks about russia, vladimir putin and the ukraine and the question it raises about his knowledge of foreign affairs. we return to our extravagant private studio, where we turn gold into platinum. yes, i am rich. that's why i drink the champagne of beers. 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>> well, he's partly there but i'm not there yet. obama is there. frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under obama. >> russia annexed crimea in 2014, which is part of ukraine. trump spent today trying to explain, tweeting when i said in an interview that putin is quote, not going into ukraine, you can mark it down, i'm saying if i am president, already in crimea and then this. so with all of the obama tough talk on russia and the ukraine, they have already taken crimea and continue to push. that's what i said. here he is campaigning in ohio. >> so when i said, believe me, russia's not going into ukraine, all right, they're not going into ukraine. the person said but they're already in ukraine. i said, yeah, well, that was two years ago, i mean, do you want to go back? do you want to have world war ii to get it back? that was during obama's watch. >> as you saw, not exactly what he said. both nominees will soon start receiving intelligence briefings. back with the panel. i mean, john, it is an open question of how much briefing donald trump is getting on world events, whether in relation to to the upcoming debate or i'm not talking about intelligence briefings, just from his own people. >> and how much a level of curiosity he has. when you talk to both republicans and democrats who have been in administrations, they say that a president's mind has to be active with the issues that they're dealing with because here's what happens. you bring a president option a and option b and a great decision-maker can choose between a and b but they don't even know there's a c. if the decisions are bad that are brought to a president, no matter how strong the skill that president has in decision making, they're going to miss the important outside options. if their brain is alive and curious, they can push the people and not fall into group think. which is two problems. when somebody crosses the threshold into the oval office, they say, yes, sir, your tie looks great today, sir, and they say what they want to hear. those are some of the dangers that happen with the president in the oval office. you want a president with a live enough mind that he's going to push his briefers and -- this is not the first time with mr. trump. so the worry with the people i've talked to engaged with these issues is that he's interested in other stuff. >> but doesn't he read the newspaper? >> why would donald trump as a candidate say in that speech and i said you want to go back two years? that's not what he said. why would he in a speech say here's what i said, when it's not what he said? he said he's there in a way. i don't know what that means. >> donald trump has repeatedly said we are being pushed around under barack obama and it's true. he's pointed out example after example about how our reputation throughout this world has been damaged by barack obama and hillary clinton. >> again, in fairness, you're just giving me talking points. >> he's talking about how the united states is being pushed around -- >> do you believe he knew that vladimir putin had moved into crimea? >> yes. >> anderson, how much does donald trump love vladimir putin? let me count the ways. he has lavished extraordinary praise on one of the most brutal dictators we have today. he subjugates his own people, who discriminates against populations, who has completely quashed any semblance of a free speech. >> we know all that. >> john, i think you are exceedingly kind in your description of briefings and his lack of curiosity. didn't he read the papers? didn't he watch the news? >> we know he watches the news. >> how did he miss this? >> do you think he misspoke? >> he didn't, no. >> i don't think he misspoke. with donald trump you have someone who is extremely curious about world affairs, who asks questions all the time, who has an international business professional has done business across the world. >> the times -- it seemed to me like his campaign group when you were there is pretty small. it didn't seem like there's a lot of people handing him briefing bookings. maybe i'm wrong. >> you've seen general flynn and admiral kubik who have been on your show talking. they've briefed mr. trump on numerous occasions. >> but is he reading every day briefing booklets? >> they have substantial people from the heritage foundation. >> for a guy who supposedly reads a lot, he tweets about watching tv all the time. it seems like he's watching tv all the time. >> the way mr. trump learns is he's a person who has conversations. that's what he does. so he gets on the phone, he has a conversation with senator sessions. >> so he's not a briefing booklet kind of guy. >> to read a 200-page document when he can get on the phone and call the right admiral or general is a better use of his time to get it from the experts. >> michelle obama was saying about president obama that he spends every night, whether you like obama or not, he spends every night until 2 a.m. reading huge briefing books. >> one of the criticisms about donald trump is he's willfully ignorant about these things. he plays a game. it's like a parlor game here. during this interview where he acted like he didn't know what was going on in crimea. cnn ran a package not too long ago where he gave a speech a couple years ago where he talked about putin going into crimea and praised him for doing it and said it was smart for him to go there because that's where all the money is. so, again, here he is praising a dictator who is our enemy. he knows it when it's convenient for him. >> a lot of presidents have different styles. ronald reagan was criticized for not being down in the weeds and jimmy carter criticized for being too much in the weeds. >> so let's take the opposite case. donald trump speaks in a kind of short hand and it's always, nobody is going to get past me on anything. weak obama, i'm strong, putin's not going anywhere. so he just shoved a bunch of words together and something was lost in translation. but to your point, the question is when you're being briefed, if you're always -- if strength is always your answers are then -- strength is not always the answer to every question. so the question is where as a president, as a candidate does hillary clinton, does donald trump show their instinct for something that's the opposite of what their main instinct is? 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"washington post" gives her four pinocchios. she's selectively -- picking comments. >> she's at her lawyerly best. or worst, depending on what you think of lawyers. she's cherry picking facts and going to parts of the testimony by comey and taking what she likes. this is very typical of politicians. after the iraq war and the invasion, you had months and months of bush administration officials who weren't willing to talk directly about whether wmd was in iraq. here in this case you have director comey, who gave hours and hours of testimony on capitol hill, a lot of yeses and nos and double negatives as answers and secretary clinton is going in, sort of taking the answers that work for her and trusting that a lot of people aren't going to be able to really make heads or tails of this. they want to stop the conversation about this. >> it plays into the hands of all those people who say hillary clinton is just untrustworthy. they just don't believe her. they believe she lies. >> the most important thing hillary clinton has said from the very beginning is this was a mistake. >> for a woman who picks her words very carefully, it seems odd she's responding to what comey said. >> what she's responding to is that she does not believe and has never had any cause to believe that e-mails she sent were classified. those e-mails were generally classified after the fact and she actually i think believes in her heart that she did not -- she made a mistake but she did not do anything that was illegal or wrong. >> she's been patently dishonest her entire career and she's trying to spin it. she will continue to try to spin and pivot all throughout this election. that is goes to haunt her. people do not find her to be honest. she is not honest. she has proven that time and time again. >> this is not about being patently dishonest, it's about keeping the focus entirely on donald trump. and not wanting to say anything that creates any daylight -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> she also seemed to kind of in the interview pass the blame on to her staff saying i relied on and had every reason to rely on the judgment of the professionals with whom i worked. is that a valid explanation? >> i think she's fair to say. i looked at the tech people, they gave me advice. but be clear. in every other interviews, i haven't seen all of this one, but she does take responsibility. she's not a, the buck doesn't stop with me kind of person. what's important to note of director comey's testifying before congress were the statements that he made clearly, that any of the e-mails that were sent to her that may be classified were not marked in that way, there was no way she could have known it. so for her to say she never received or sent was true when he was asked were they identifiable, he said no. >> some of the special access program e-mails that she received were clearly classified with the satellite information and all that. the statute says you don't have to have intent, it about negligence. he said she was reckless with it. it's difficult for people to sit here and say that hillary clinton was honest about in. she said for months that she never sent or received, they have sent or received. that was clearly untrue. it was clearly untrue that she handed over all her e-mails. which she didn't do. director comey said there were thousands of work-related e-mails they recovered. so it's a problem. she lies. >> hillary clinton had the opportunity to get in front of this and she chose not to. she did a sit-down interview with chris wallace and she did the bill clinton, "what is is?" it was probably wrong, if not illegal. the fbi director said there was not intent here but intent is not part of the statute to charge someone. he said he would recommend not prosecuting. his job is not to prosecute, his job as the fbi director is to present the evidence to professional to decide if they're going to prosecute. she probably should have been prosecuted. >> what point is hillary clinton going to take on the trustworthy issue? this would have been a chance to give an answer to pass the smell test for a lot of people. but instead, she really is sort of hunkering down and parsing. >> and it would have been an opportunity for donald trump had he not gone down the rabbit hole to focus attention and, yes, again it seems like a squandered opportunity. >> he was sort of lost in it. this would have been a clean hit for him to have taken. >> a far greater question is what is the biggest threat to national security? clinton's e-mails or the fact that donald trump is inciting foreign military intelligence, russian intelligence, to hack her e-mails to get more information? >> that's a ridiculous statement. >> that's exactly what happened. >> she commits a crime, she washes out 30,000 e-mails and knowing full well they're going to be looking for it. she doesn't get charged for it. >> you have two candidates that are pretty close whether voters find them honest and trustworthy. >> that cnn poll says it all. who is able to control the theirtive? 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good evening. thanks for joining us. two main threats tonight, remembering the fallen officers in dallas. and protesters back on the streets again in marmg cities across the country, just as they were if dallas raising voices against the killings of african-americans encounters with police. demonstration necessary chicago, sacramento, california as well as atlanta. jo joining us by phone is charlie demaw of our chicago affiliate, wbbm. what's the scene in chicago? charlie, what is the scene like there in chicago? >> reporter: anderson, good evening. it's about 8:00 local time here. these marchers are going on about their fifth hour marching lieu the streets of chicago. the marchers regrouped, took a little break, came up with a game lan. there were a couple thousand marchers at that point. now the crowd has dwindled down to a couple hundred. we just saw the crowd move from the sidewalk, rushing the street, and i saw a woman get detained, the first person to be put in handcuffs today. i saw the tail end of it. all i saw was the woman push a cop, but didn't see what led up to that. the crowd is much smaller, but much more rambunctious than the earlier hours. >> charlie de mar, thank you. now to atlanta, paulo sandoval is there. paulo, looks like from the vantage point, the overhead shot we're see right now, not as large a protest as it was in chicago earlier. do you have a sense of numbers overall in atlanta? >> hey, anderson, we've seen hundreds of people, just to bring things into perspective or add some context here, we did hear from atlanta's mayor earlier this morning saying today would be day five of demonstrations and they have seen an estimated 15,000 people over the last five days take to the streets, and only 25 arrests until today, anderson. we've been walking with these demonstrators and speaking to them and today was the first day i witnessed some of the officers essentially go into the crowd and pluck out certain individuals. we've seen at least 12 arrests or so. however, the crowd here continues on the sidewalk because we have heard from authorities here in atlanta over and over again saying people are free to protest and to hold these demonstrations and mars, as long as they stay off public roads, because that is now a public safety issue, so as a result we are now seeing people on the sidewalk here making their way through to the bunk head region, if you're familiar with the atlanta area, basically an upscale shopping, dining area here in atlanta. and that's one of the reasons why the mayor has increased security. one of the several reasons why we are now on the streets and we're seeing police here on the ground as they continue to make sure these people stay off the sidewalk, but you talk to people here and ask them if they know where they are going and at this point many of them, anderson, will tell you they are following the drum beat, following the familiar cry for justice. anderson? >> paulo sandoval, thanks, president obama, vice president biden, george w. bush, and hundreds of members of local law enforcement will gather tomorrow afternoon at a concert hall in dallas to remember the five fallen officers and help the city heal. as you saw, people are gathered for a dallas strong candlelight vigil. our martin savidge is there for us now. martin, what's been going on? >> reporter: you know, i've been trying to gauge the mood of people here, watching them for a long time. clearly, sadness, very somber. there's also people coming together. you see a lot of officers in uniform hugging, hugging the public. this is a chance for, again, the community to come together and grieve, but also to share in the pain they are going through, and that's happening right now. there are family members that are here of the officers. there's also a huge representation of the public, and it's a very wide representation of people from all walks of life, and it's only just now getting under way, anderson. >> martin, let's take a look at this, they are showing the images of the five fallen. let's just watch and listen. martin, how long is this vigil tonight and what do we expect to happen over the course of it? >> reporter: well, there's going to be a number of speakers, and each person that speaks will represent one of the fallen officers. so in some ways you could say it's almost like eulogies that will be delivered, and on top of that we also expect to hear from the chief of police, david brown. he's a man who you would have to say today is running almost on empty when it comes to both the level of energy and his emotions, and he has an incredibly difficult week ahead. the funerals of five officers would tear out the heart of just about any police chief, and yet that's what he has to go through. of course, the whole community has to go through that, but he's the man in charge. it will be very, very hard. >> let's listen in again. >> weren't just outstanding police officers, they were fathers, sons, and husbands. they were neighbors, coaches, and church members. officer brent thompson was described as super nice and a friend to everyone. he was a person you would ask for help and he would have your back. he was married two weeks ago to d.a.r.t. officer emily and was the father of six children. officer zamarripa was a navy veteran and served three tours in iraq. he was an avid sports fan, he loved the cowboys and the texas rangers and wwe wrestling. he was a proud son and a loving father of two children. officer michael krol was from michigan, who loved and talked a lot about his mom. he enjoyed fishing with his father, never caring if he caught anything, as long as he was spending time with him. he was described as a loving guy with a big heart, who liked country music, the detroit lions, and the detroit tigers. senior corporal lorne ahrens was a former college football player and was described as a lovable giant, who was always laughing. he was also known for always being there to have your back. lorne was married to d.p.d. detective katrina and had two children. sergeant michael smith was a good person who was always trying to help others. he was nearing retirement, but continued to serve the citizens of dallas like it was his first day on the job. he was married to his loving wife heidi for 17 years and had two children. to our country, i pray we can pause and take a step back. when everything is negative and full of hate and anger, there can be no solutions. we must listen to each other rather than simply talking at one another. we will not let the cowardly hate-filled acts of one man divide our city and our country. i believe in our police department, and i believe in our country and its citizens. i also believe we can rise and face these challenges together. if we are to hope for a better life for our cities and communities, our nation must unite behind law enforcement. to my fellow officers, i ask that you honor the legacy of our fallen brothers by continuing in their footsteps and protecting and serving the citizens of dallas with the same honor and integrity exhibited by these five heros. to the families, we want you to know you will always be there for you, you will always be part of the family in blue. your loved ones will never be forgotten, and their sacrifice will long be remembered. i would now like to introduce dallas police chief david brown, who has done an outstanding job in this crisis. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. thank you. thank you. faster than a speeding bullet. more powerful than a locomotive. able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. look, it's a train. it's a plane. no, it's superman. as a young child, i ran home from school to hear that so i could hear the reruns of the television series "superman." i loved super heros. because they are now like what i aspired to be when i grew up. they are like cops. they are like police officers. super heros. and cops are mission focused. give us a job to do, we'll focus on accomplishing the mission. so what's our mission today? it's helping these families understand how to conquer this tragedy. what do we tell you all? well, being a person of faith, i always refer back to the good book, the bible, and we have an example of how to conquer this tragedy. when the good lord was crucified and rose on the third day alive, he said, oh, death, where is your steam? oh, grave, where is your victory? families, we love you. we love you with everything we have. we are now your surrogate family members. we're your brothers and your sisters. when you need us, you call. because we'll not only be loving you today, we'll be loving you always, always, till the end of time. we'll be loving you until you are me and i am you. always, always, faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive. able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. look, it's a train, it's a plane, no, it's patricio zamarripa. look, it's brent thompson. look, it's michael krol. look, it's lorne ahrens. look, it's michael smith. god speed. god bless you. god bless the dallas police department. thank you. >> dallas police chief david brown. just ahead, two men remember one of those officers who chief brown just named. he was their brother, the first officer in the history of the dallas transit police force to be killed in the line of duty. later, new developments in one of the police shootings that ignited one of the protests, protests still going on tonight. details ahead. kay?" 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>> you know, he was a hero, and everyone knows that now. the show of support we've had is outstanding, and, i mean, he was just a very loving christian man. he worked hard for his family, and he worked hard to do the best he could to provide for them, and he died, he laid his life down working to protect these people, the community of dallas, and, you know, he's just a great guy. big heart. >> lowell, i heard a friend last night speak at a vigil who talked about how kind brent was when her husband had a stroke, he looked after her, made sure she had everything she needed as she was going through a very tough time. your brother sounded like an incredibly caring guy, not only in the line of duty, but in his personal time. >> he really was, he was a very caring guy, that was shanna. i actually graduated high school with her, and he did, when her husband had the stroke, it really hurt him and he really went out of his way. he really went out of his way, because that was the way he was to help out, and, you know, he would -- many people have come up and said he was the type of guy to give you the shirt off his back, and that's the kind of guy he was. he really was. >> darryl, he had an incredible career, served as a civilian in iraq training police officers, also served in afghanistan. i understand while he was in iraq he actually called to check in on your newborn daughter who just had surgery. >> yes, sir. we instant messaged a lot when he was overseas, and when my daughter was born, unfortunately she had to have some heart surgeries and he called in the middle while we were waiting to hear news. i was trying to be the tough guy of the family and keep it together, and about halfway through talking to him, he broke me down, i started crying a little bit, but he reassured me. you know, that's the type of guy he was. he was sitting in iraq where every day someone was trying to kill him, and he was calling and trying to comfort me, you know, sitting safe in houston, texas, because of, you know, the situation my daughter was in. that was him. he always looked out for everybody before himself. he was really unselfish and loving. >> yeah, lowell, his fellow officers talked about how brent was like a brother of their own, saying he was willing to do anything for anyone. did he always want to be a police officer? did he always want to work in law enforcement? >> i believe he did, you know, he went from the marine corps, even in the marine corps he became an m.p. in the marine corps, and he got into law enforcement and fell in love with service. if he wasn't going to be in law enforcement, he would have been in some other kind of service to the community or to our, you know, to our community or to our country, because he was all about service. i think he always wanted to do law enforcement. coming from the law enforcement background, all the guys that i've dealt with and that knew brent, they loved him. he was a cops cop, as they are saying all over the place now, but he was also the kind of officer that our country would want on the streets dealing with the public, because he never met a stranger and never met someone he really didn't like. that's the way brent was. even with the individuals he was dealing with professionally, he went out of his way to make sure that, you know, he knew that the contact with law enforcement was important contact for folks, so he went out of his way to make that as least painful as everybody possible. that's the way he performed his duties. >> darryl, the risks he took, obviously, in iraq, in afghanistan, he was mentoring iraqi, mentoring afghan police officers. incredibly dangerous position to be in, really out on the front lines, and, i mean, i read also brent just got married a couple weeks ago. i cannot imagine what this is like for all of you, i mean, for his wife, for everybody. >> you know, it's always hard losing someone, but under the circumstances where it was so sudden and, unfortunately, it was very public, you know, it was on -- they were broadcasting live on television in the dfw area, you know, just wasn't a good situation. so everybody was in shock and everybody still is kind of in shock. the reality is starting to set in, and that's a very tough situation. >> yeah. well, lowell, i know brent also was the father of seven kids, also a grandfather. our thoughts and our prayers are certainly with all of them and all of you tonight. darryl and lowell thompson, thank you so much for talking with us and letting us know a little bit about what brent was like. >> i did want to mention his wife emily wanted to thank everyone for their support and their love, and his kids. they wanted to make sure that everyone knew that they really appreciated all the support and love that they are getting. he loved his kids more than anything else. he was a great dad, and he really, really loved his kids. and he loved his nieces and nephews. he was a really, really a family man. >> very much so. >> he's a great loss to our country and our state. >> yeah, it certainly sounds like it. again, i appreciate that in your time of grief you're willing to let the world know a little bit about the brother that you lost. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> hope to learn more about the other officers who lost their lives in the days ahead. much more ahead tonight, including the latest on the protests taking place across the country tonight. plus, new details about philando castile, who was fatally shot outside minneapolis. the video that his fiance live streamed help spark the protests that continue tonight. what court records reveal about his previous interactions with police and does it suggest he was racially profiled? 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we finished the race. and she goes "desiree, i'll never quit walking. ever" breaking news tonight, protesters across the country from sacramento, chicago, atlanta. we've been showing you the protests the last hour and a half. in dallas, vigil under way for the five officers killed last week, focused on the fatal shootings of two african-american men. philando castile's fiance live streamed the aftermath of his fatal shooting. we have learned that before his fatal traffic stop, he had been pulled over 52 other times since 2002 for offenses such as driving on a suspended license and no proof of insurance. retired nypd detective harry hawg, also michael eric dyson, also contributed writer for the new york times and author of "the black presidency: barack obama and the politics of race in america." if there is this dash cam video, why not release it? i feel we've seen dash cam videos released early on in investigations in other cases. >> this police department isn't releasing too much about this case here. i'm for that, and the reason why i'm for that, if you release something like that video and don't release other information about the investigation, somehow it will be misinterpreted somewhere and gives talking points for people that are antipolice, so as far as i'm concerned, the best way to go is wait until the investigation is completed concluded, all right, and then release the information. >> michael, do you buy that? >> no, i think he's giving the benefit of the doubt, and i understand that, but most police departments would not be reticent in the face of such overwhelming attention and if they had something, they'd release it. think about michael brown's case when he was seen snatching some cigarillos from a store, they released that in a way that shapes public perception, so even though i certainly hold the dallas police department from what we've seen of them and know of them in high regard, the reality is there may be something more there. >> wasn't that on youtube, though? i think the first time i saw was on youtube. >> it was released by the police, though. >> okay. >> it is interesting, this came out today that mr. castile was pulled over 52 times since 2002. people see this through the lens of their own personal beliefs. some people see that and say, look, he's got a police record, others see that and say, wait a minute, pulled over 52 times since 2002, and half of those cases were tossed out, that's racial profiling. >> well, does seem even a lot to me, anderson, 52 times in that amount of years. >> meaning that? >> i tell you, i worked in harlem for probably four years and another black neighborhood for about four years, i don't think i ever pulled the same person over, maybe twice. that's it. >> this, what, raises questions about the police or about this mr. castile? >> i don't know how to look at it. definitely looks suspicious. maybe the police knew him as somebody who always drives without a license and they were looking to, you know, get their quota at the end of the month and figured, listen, i see him, let's pull him over because i know his license is suspended, i don't know, but 52 times sounds a little excessive to me and, you know, i don't know if this was a black neighborhood or always in a white neighborhood he got stopped in. i'm not so sure of that, but it does seem to be a little excessive or a lot excessive to me. >> michael, what do you think? >> absolutely, and i congratulate brother houck for acknowledging that. it does play into a pattern other young people of color, especially black men have been subjected to where their experiences are they are constantly being racially profiled, pulled over for one thing or another, something that might not arouse suspicion in somebody else and it could be in a neighborhood, especially in a suburban neighborhood where black men in late model cars or driving while black is a phenomenon. there's empirical proof to substantiate the claim black people are subjected to this time and time again and seems in this case that the excessive numbers of stops certainly would indicate the presence of racial profiling. >> i agree. there might be some officers that actually do that. i don't think the majority of police officers racially profile. nobody i work with, and i worked in harlem back in the early '80s when it was really, really bad and i never knew anybody to say let's pull that guy over because he's a black guy. although most of the people driving, but most of the people i gave tickets to were white. >> you don't have to have an intention. that's the ugly beauty of racial profiling. you don't have to say, hey, let's do it. it's an instinct, a hunch, an unconscious reflex in some very noticeable behavior. let's pull this person over more than this person. this person looks more suspicious than that person. all of that accumulates to end in racial profiling. >> michael, in the last hour you raised a point i wanted to pursue with harry here, as well. you were saying when you look at a lot of these instances it's white male police officers with an african-american suspect as opposed to -- >> in police-involved shootings. >> police-involved shootings as opposed to a female police officer, latino police officer, or black police officer. you believe, what, that shows -- >> i'm saying that there are other alternatives than shooting a person. i'm saying why is it that these people, black police officers, latino police officers, and predominantly female officers don't end up involved in most police-involved shootings. that means they know how to de-escalate and use alternative strategies to keep this person in check, and as a result of that there's far less death. >> you're not facing a man with a gun. you're not facing a man with a knife. i disagree with you, you're not facing a man with a knife, with a gun, de-escalation is a great word and great if you can do it, but i can tell you from my perspective and police officers that i know, there's some people you cannot de-escalate. >> i don't doubt that. statistics show that overwhelmingly white men are the ones involved in police-involved shootings of black men. >> well, because there's so many white police officers. that's basically the problem. >> so many women, so many latinos, so many blacks. >> diverse police department. >> i understand, but i'm saying to you, there are great numbers of women and african-american and latino police people who are involved in conflagrations with black people and poor people and brown people and they don't end up dead. they more often end up dead at the hands of white police people. >> what situations they were in, if we would take a look -- a thousand different situations, the last situations, you haven't done that. >> what i'm saying to you, you're missing the point and distracting us. i'm saying the point is this, if those women and those african-american and latino police people are engaging with these people, why is it that the overwhelming majority of people who end up killing these people are white men and not the other police people? >> we got to leave it there. interesting report out of harvard today we'll try to do something on tomorrow about other forms of interactions between police and african-americans, probably the most comprehensive strategy we've seen so far. there's not a lot of data in these cases. up next, donald trump returns to the campaign trail for the first time since the dallas shootings. a lot of attention on who's going to be his running mate. he said he's likely to announce this week before the convention. we'll talk about that next. don't bring that mess around here, evan! whoo! don't do it. don't you dare. i don't think so! 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>> well, chris christie is one, rudy giuliani is number two. >> reporter: a wide variety of thoughts in this room. cheryl hargrove served in the coast guard. if he asked you, pick my running mate and you have to do it right now, who would you pick? >> i wanted condoleezza rice, but she doesn't want to do it. >> reporter: on the short list, this marine corps vet spoke for quite a few here. >> a little bit of thought and my vote would be going towards gingrich, newt gingrich. >> i kind of like newt. i think he has the knowledge. he is good with the media. >> reporter: chris christie was here today, he's good with media, too, right? >> he's good with media and chris christie would be an excellent choice. i'd also like to see him as attorney general. >> reporter: when kristie was finished speaking, trump took the stage talking about veterans issues, but has this comment from last week worked against him with this crowd? >> saddam hussein was a bad guy, right? really bad guy, but you know what he did well? he killed terrorists. he did that so good, they didn't read him the rights, they didn't talk, they were terrorists, it's over. >> reporter: ronnie grimstead comes from a military family. because it's saddam hussein, those who died in two wars in the '90s and up to 2003, and for trump to say anything positive about saddam hussein offends people. are you offended by it? >> no, referring to wars we should have never been in to begin with. >> reporter: does it bother you donald trump is saying anything at all complimentary about saddam hussein? >> no, it's not bothering me. what bothers me is some of the things hillary clinton says, okay, and what she has to say about benghazi. >> reporter: but what about the time donald trump said senator john mccain was not a war hero? >> i like people that weren't captured, okay? i hate to tell you. >> reporter: jeff mcwaters is a former virginia state senator. does that quote bother you? >> yeah, probably did a little bit. >> reporter: do you think he should apologize for it? >> i think we should get on with life, big election, i think the republican party is going to get together, i think all politicians bump each other, sure senator mccain said things he wishes he doesn't say, all politicians do it, i've done it. >> christie was a former u.s. attorney, not a surprise one of the women want to see him as attorney general. did other supporters prefer him as attorney general, as well? >> the answer is yes. this was an invited guest list, so we were able to talk to a large percentage of the 250 people there afterwards, and people like chris christie there today, but most of the people who talked to us like him better in the role of attorney general than vice president of the united states. somewhat unusual, anderson, chris christie and donald trump weren't on stage at the same time, weren't together, but it's dangerous when it comes to picking a vice presidential candidate, like surprises a lot, saw that in 2008 with sarah palin, saw that in 1988 with dan quayle, and if john mccain and george h.w. bush can surprise us, a guy like donald trump could surprise us, too. >> certainly has really all this entire election so far, surprised a lot of people. gary, thanks. back to our political panel, new york times political correspondent patrick healy. donald trump all along has said in terms of a vice president pick, he wants to go for somebody political, not necessarily military or the economic side as a businessman, he wants to go somebody who can help him out with capitol hill. who do you think it's going to be? >> that plays a lot to gingrich's strengths. my reporting has found chris christie's star has sort of faded in the v.p. side, mr. trump would like to give him a senior role in the administration, but he's looking less at christie and more at gingrich and pence, and i think the question is, does he go conventional, which would be more like a mike pence, or does he go with someone who is like him, kind of an unconventional choice, someone who's, let's say, temperament and background might be a little rocky with parts of the party, but who would give him -- newt gingrich knows washington. he knows how congress works. he knows he has some of those relationships. he's very good on the debate stage in the fall, which is what they want against hillary clinton's running mate, and the reality is, if you look back at v.p. picks when george w. bush picked dick cheney, there was chemistry there, there was a likability there. barack obama picking joe biden. bill clinton picking al gore. there was a connection there like what donald trump has with a newt gingrich, for instance. he doesn't know pence as well, and when you have people like john mccain picking sarah palin, john kerry sort of picking john edwards, which is more of a superficial choice, those haven't worked out as well. >> cory, not going to put you on the spot. actually, i will. who do you think it should be? >> what i think is a lot to what patrick eluded to, getting mr. trump's agenda done in washington, that's the most important thing. >> someone who knows capitol hill. >> someone who has the relationships in place, but before you get to washington, obviously, you have to win the election. what you have to look at, can chris christie help donald trump raise money, will chris christie be the person to support donald trump when the attacks come much more so than mike pence would be. what you've seen is chris christie was an early endorser of donald trump, steadfast supporter of donald trump and when push came to shove, 17 weeks from tomorrow, chris christie would be the person standing next to donald trump making sure that his philosophy, his process, his desire to go directly at hillary clinton would be put forth by chris christie much more so, ink, than mike pence would do. >> really, so you think christie has a better shot than mike pence? >> i think he's someone that's been very loyal to mr. trump, he rewards loyalty, and they've had a long-term relationship. they've been friends for ten or 11 years, much more so than governor pence. >> newt gingrich, as well. >> and newt gingrich, but trump has a personal relationship with chris christie and his wife mary pat that extends long outside the political world, so don't discount chris christie just yet. >> one of the red flags seems to be chris christie is less popular in new jersey than mr. trump is. in terms of where does chris christie help you, you could say he would help you as attorney general or maybe chief of staff more than v.p. >> also, there were some concerns about trump told the "washington post" he's leaning towards picking towards somebody who helps unite the republican party. >> that's not chris christie, and i'm from new jersey, and you're right, chris christie's popularity there is at a historic low for him. he doesn't really bring much to the ticket, because trump is already an attack dog, so you don't really need another one like that, where the two can go over the top. you need a little balance. at least newt gingrich is an attack dog also, but in a way that's very academic, so for people who like newt gingrich and his style, and the fact he was speaker of the house, that would fit the bill of someone conservatives would find him acceptable, he knows washington and he's, obviously, been lobbying for the job very loyally for a long time for donald trump, and there is chemistry there. out of this group, i've been of the thought process he should bring a general onboard, and when i saw the reports of michael flynn, well, maybe i was right. problematic now. >> in terms of somebody who has experience debating at a presidential level, both newt gingrich and christie fit that bill as opposed to a mike pence. >> very true. obviously, these debates will be critical and show off the excellence of the democratic ticket of secretary clinton and whoever she picks to be vice president, but to talk about chris christie for one more second, i think if donald trump picks chris christie, it really makes clear that the idea of somebody who says they are one thing and then becomes another thing is front and center for donald trump, because chris christie ran for governor of new jersey as a really moderate republican with a lot of views that a lot of us in the democratic party might have supported. then he came into office and as things got more political, as he started ridiculously thinking about running for president of the united states while bridgegate was hanging over his head, he became much more conservative, so it's just an example like donald trump. >> i think corey's point about loyalty is an interesting one. >> trump doesn't need conservatives. he needs to cross over. he said he doesn't care about unity. >> we got to leave it there. back to dallas and an aspect that caught so much attention, how a robot arm with a bomb ended the standoff with the sniper. more ahead. from anywhere. even down here in the dark i can still see we're having a great month. and celebrate accordingly. i run on quickbooks.that's how i own it. our customer is a our 21-year-old female. heavily into basketball. wait. data just changed... now she's into disc sports. ah, no she's not. since when? 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>> yes, exclamation point. when you have a head-to-head matchup, that's a 7-point jump. most americans will have more choices on their ballot come november. 35% for -- 45% for hillary clinton and 37% for donald trump. in the four-way race, 37% for clinton, 33% for donald trump. president obama lost to mitt romney among independents by 5 points and still won reelection. this is a good number for hillary clinton. one more point. most of the party pros tell you out of a political convention, which party is more unified? that's a key dynamic heading into the fall, advantage clinton. 90% of democrats today say they plan to vote for their nominee. on 70% of republicans say they plan to vote for donald trump. so donald trump has more con -- consolidation work within the family. we're in a change environment. some voters don't want experience. if secretary clinton can talk about doing the job, 67% to 31% think she has the right experience to be president. more americans say they would be more proud of hillary clinton as their president than donald trump as their president. more americans say hillary clinton would do a better job uniting the country than donald trump. the only red light in this poll is 30% of president clinton say she's honest and trustworthy. her only benefit, donald trump's numbers are in the same boat. overall, these numbers are very good for hillary clinton. >> what about the electoral polling? any clues? >> donald trump has to win pennsylvania, and ohio. if he can't win florida, he'll have to pick up michigan and wisconsin. we did break it down by region. in the midwest, hillary clinton has that big lead nationally. in the midwest, it's still tight. you see the third party candidates here. advantage but not as big advantage in the midwest. a lot of white voters across here. these states are whiter, they're older. your level of education says a lot about how you'll vote. white college graduates, hillary clinton but white noncollege grad, look at the stop for donald trump. if you look at these numbers here, anderson, still suggestsy have a competitive race across the rust belt. >> and hillary clinton was introduced tonight by billionaire warren buffett, who challenged donald trump to release his tax returns. donald trump took to twitter today responding to mr. khan. did he mention that controversy in his town hall earlier today? >> reporter: no, anderson, he did not. we're waiting to see what donald trump has to say at this rally, it's running about an hour late. he did talk about it briefly with a local news station earlier in the day saying he considers captain khan a hero but that he was, quote, viciously attacked by kzhir khan and he will always respond when that happens so no apology from donald trump. >> some republican leaders have been weighing in as well on this. what have they been saying? >> reporter: in just the last couple of hours, donald trump's running mate, mike pence, was confronted by a woman at an event earlier today and he was asked how she could tolerate trump's behavior and the comments about the khan family and he reiterated that he considered captain khan a hero. john mccain and house speaker paul ryan weighed in supporting the khan family. paul r trump said he appreciates what paul ryan's opponent has said in pull ryan's bid for reelection. >> we're very happy to have our panel on our program. john dick inson, host of "face the nation." john dickinson, you've interviewed donald trump an awful lot of times. is there something he could have done earlier on to just -- i mean, other than his first initial interview to not make this what's become a multi-day problem? >> he could have done what a lot of republicans i've talked to know as the standard things in these instances, which is you honor the service, you honor the family and you move on, no matter what attack they made on you. what was brought up to me is it was in his second sentence when he first asked about this, he went right to asking questions about mrs. khan. so he put this on the table in his response. this is something the clinton campaign is enjoying watching him have difficulty with this. it was his decision to respond in this way. >> when you look at the polls of john king, what jumps out at you? >> this is the best possible time for hillary clinton, just after positive p.r. so we have to wait about a week. republicans haven't lost college educated since 1952. hillary clinton is reaching into the coalition. donald trump is doing that by getting some democrats in that blue collar vote these got but if he loses those college educated voters, that's a big problem for him. he's got his base. the question is can he grow his base. right now hillary clinton is taking out of his base and he's not doing things -- this controversy and other things he said is not helping with college educated voters. >> did donald trump ever apologize for anything? did he ever admit making a mistakes? if he had just said i misspeak and tried to wrap this up immediately, he's continuing to go on about this. >> he's apologized on many occasions. donald trump is a person who when he takes a position, holds to that position. >> you never heard him apologize and say i made a mistake. >> when he takes a position, he stands by that position because he thinks about what he says and he mean what is he says. >> you really think he thinks about what he says? >> i do. i think what the difference is politicians have gotten in this world of political correctness, where they want to say what people want them to say as opposed to what they want to say. he's got them to rethink our participation in nato or a number of things. >> or talking about why the mother of a fallen hero doesn't speak? do you think that's -- >> i think in that -- >> a thought-out position? >> i think in that particular instance what you find and what i have experienced with donald trump is that he is a counterpuncher. always has been through this campaign. when jeb bush attacked him in the primaries or someone else attacked him -- >> he attacked a silent woman. >> he didn't participate in the democratic convention. this family went and made statements that he made personally. he has said that their son is a hero and remains a hero for his service to the country. >> he didn't say that initially, though. >> but he has said that. and no one will deny that. what i think they thought is they questioned his patriotism and they questioned his commitment to the country and he took that as a personal attack on him. that was his response. >> christine? >> can i just say a couple of things here? mrs. khan did not speak so mr. khan spoke. and then what donald trump did was, in my opinion, insinuate that her religion prevented her from speaking or her husband's kind of control of her prevented her from speaking. and, in my opinion, kind of insinuated that there was something maternally lacking. now none of those things are true. when we saw her speak in tears, which she did not want to do. when there is a picture of her son in the room, she cannot even enter some rooms with there is a picture of her son. she did not want to share those things with america. but she, her religion and her family and i can't in god's name understand why, it seems cruel to me, attacked by donald trump. >> if this were a thought-out statement by donald trump and he did have several days to think this out, he would have initially said of course their son is a hero, has sacrificed and everything i have done -- >> but that's not what he did. and it's the initial reaction by donald trump that is so troubling. his initial reaction was to lash out in a very petulant, vindictive way. he didn't just say oh, their son is a hero and move forward. he actually had the audacity to compare their sacrifice and their son's sacrifice to what he's done as a business man. that is beyond the pale. donald trump a silver spooned draft dodger who went about bedding women as men and women went to vietnam. and they he talked about being he was a brave soldier when he talked about his sexual exploits. this kind of behavior and reaction by donald trump is the temperamentally unfit aspect of his character. >> do you have any trouble with what donald trump said? >> he was attacked and his patriotism was questioned. >> get over it! he needs to get over it. he's running for the president of the united states. >> yes, his son is a hero. there's no question about that. >> do you have any trouble with donald trump's initial reaction? >> no, let's go to the core of the issue. it's the nation-building policy that put her son there. >> that's a talking point that you guys have not developed. >> her child is dead. >> you have no problem with his initial reaction, not saying that this man was a hero, you have no problem with him going after the mother, that's no problem with you? >> he didn't say that. >> my question to you is simple -- >> anderson, can i -- >> do you have a problem at all -- >> no, i don't have a problem when someone's patriotism is attacked that they stand up for themselves. >> let's call a spade a spade. he is a divisive, thin-skinned, megalomaniac who makes everything crisis about him. after orlando, he went on tv and said, see, i was right, it was about muslim extremism. which, by the way, it was not. he did the same thing here, he took it personally, he lashed out. >> we're going to take a quick break. we have more with our panel coming up. a lot of different sides for his clash with the khan family. can donald trump still say anything and not drive away voters? 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>> and that statement did not hurt him in the polls either. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> i guess the question is is that immunity from consequences in any way changing. mike pence was confronted over trump's back and forth by the khan family by a woman who says her son serves in the air force. >> time and time against trump has disrespected our nation and armed forces and his derespect for mr. khan and his family is an example of that. you have a son in the military. how do you tolerate his disrespect? >> well, i thank you for the question. it's all right. it's all right. folks, that what freedom looks like and that's what freedom sounds like, okay? it is. let me say, first, i want to honor your son's service to the country and your family's service to the country. having spent time with our nom -- nominee, i have never been around someone more devoted to the veterans in this country. donald trump supports our soldiers and supports our veterans like no other leader in our lifetime. >> you've interviewed trump a number of times. is there any reason to believe this time is different, this battle he's been having for days and getting a lot of attention for is going to make any difference is it. >> a lot of the previous examples took place in a different context. the question here is impulsiveness. if he can occupy the office and people won't think that's too big of a risk. if impulsiveness looks like something he can't restrain, even in a situation where you have a gold star family, yes, he's a counterpuncher, but the situation here calls for restraint. so does being president. if people believe he cannot restrain his impulses, they're not going to give him the office. hillary clinton said anyone you can bait in a tweet is not someone you want to give nuclear codes to. republicans, who are even on board, there are 98 days till the election, their electoral hopes and dreams are tied to trump. there can be irrevocable damage to the party and to they will. when he picked mike pence, republican activists kept telling me it helps stabilize the campaign. this fight with the kahns is more volatility and a predictor of even more. >> he's got the voters and they're incredibly loyal, perhaps more loyal than we've seen for anyone else in the primary season but is he doing enough to reach out to those independence? >> i thi -- independents? >> 14 million votes, highest of any republican candidate who has ever run for office in any time. he's bringing new people into the matter. the democrats are losing people. if you look at hillary clinton's votes eight years ago against barack obama, her numbers are down from where they were eight years ago. people are reenergized. the american working class who has not had a raise in 20 years, who is making less monday today than 20 years ago in real dollars are fed up with democrats in washington and they want someone who is going to fundamentally change washington and that's why they're reengaged in the electoral process. >> i want to take a step back for a second. the segment before talked about what he could get away with and could he continue to get away with it. that's a different question from what's right and what is the appropriate american way to tell the truth and most importantly to treat a gold star family. for donald trump, this is about who hit first, who hit second, who hit third and fourth. it's no way to sit in a room if you're negotiating international affairs. but let's start here. one, donald trump supported the iraq war before he switched his position and he came against it. so to say if he had been president captain khan would be alive, which would be a blessing, the facts don't bear that out and his vice presidential choice also supported the war. two, mr. khan went up there and spoke. mrs. khan said nothing. why did they speak? because donald trump put out a proposal to ban muslims. and all you say to them, if you're a person with half a soul is thank you. why can't he say that and then shut his mouth? >> this is days after hillary clinton said something which is just factually not true in an interview. donald trump could have spent the last several days focusing on that, and instead he's in these tangential battles. doesn't it attradistract attento what hillary clinton said? >> of course it does. this was a premeditated speech. we do appreciate the sacrifices of her son. he is an american hero. but this is a premeditated speech done for political purposes. he put himself in front of america, questioned donald trump's patriotism. for what reason? >> he didn't do that. that is not true. >> no, he asked him -- i watched it. >> watch it again. >> i watched it and actually, it brought me to tears because i thought to myself here is a perfect example of what this country stands for. this is an immigrant family that has a hero son assimilated to this country who is actually speaking their minds, which they're allowed to do in america still and saying, mr. trump, have you actually read this constitution because some of the things that donald trump says are awfully suspect of the constitution. i've never heard donald trump talk about liberty and freedom and the constitution. senate, he thinks there's 12 articles in the constitution. it wasperfectly valid for the kahn family after donald trump proposed a ban on all muslims for them to say look at us, what are you doing and we represent what america should be. there is nothing wrong with that. if donald trump can't handle that, then mr. big, bad bully from new york, he needs to audition for another job other than president of the united states. >> ahead, donald trump's remarks about russia, vladimir putin and the questions if raises about his knowledge of foreign affairs. t red lobster so come dive into dishes like the new alaska bairdi crab dinner with sweet crab from the icy waters of alaska. or try crab lover's dream with tender snow and king crab legs. love crab? 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>> well, he's partly there but i'm not there yet. obama is there. >> trump spent today trying to explain, tweeting when i said in an interview that put season, quote, not going into ukraine, you can mark it down, i'm saying if i am president, already in crimea and then this. so with all of the obama tough talk on russia and the ukraine, they have already taken crimea and continue to push. that's what i said. here he is campaigning in ohio. >> so when i said, believe me, russia's not going into ukraine, all right, they're not going into ukraine. the person said but they're already in ukraine. i said, yeah, well, that was two years ago, i mean, do you want to go back? do you want to have world war iii to get it back in that was during obama's watch. >> as you saw, not exactly what he said. both nominees will soon start receiving intelligence briefings. back with the panel. i mean, john, it is an open question of how much briefing donald trump is getting on world events, whether in relation to to the upcoming debate or i'm not talking about intelligence briefings, just from his own people. >> and how much a level of curiosity he has. when you talk to both republicans and democrats who have been in administrations, they say that a president's mind has to be active with the issues that they're dealing with because here's what happens. you bring a president option a and option b and a great decision-maker can choose between a and b but they don't even know there's a c. if the decisions are bad that are brought to a president, they'll miss the important outside options. if their brain is say lialive a curious, they can push the people and not fall into group things. when somebody crosses the threshold into the oval office, they say, yes, sir, your tie looks great today, sir, and they say what they want to hear. you want a president with a live enough mind that he's going to push his briefers and -- this is not the first time with mr. trump. so the worry with the people i've talked to engaged with these issues is that he's interested in other stuff. >> but doesn't he read the newspaper? >> why would donald trump as a candidate say in that speech and i said you want to go back two years? that's not what he said. why would he in a speech say here's what i said, when it's not what he said. he said he's there in a way. i don't know what that means. >> donald trump has repeatedly said we are being pushed around under barack obama and it's true. he's pointed out example after example about how our reputation has been -- agai >> again, in fairness, you can i have give me talking points. >> do you believe he knew that vladimir putin had moved into crimea? >> anderson, how much does donald trump love vladimir putin? let me count the ways. he has lavished extraordinary praise on one of the most brutal dictators we have today. he subjugates his own people, completely quashed his own people -- >> we know all that. >> john, i think you are exceedingly kind in your description of briefings and his lack of curiosity. didn't he read the papers? didn't he watch the news? >> we know he watches the news. >> how did he miss this? >> do you think he misspoke? >> he didn't, no. >> i don't think he misspoke. with donald trump you have someone who is extremely curious about world affairs, who asks questions all the time, who has an international business professional has done business across the world. >> the times -- it seemed to me like his campaign group when you were there is pretty small. it didn't seem like there's a lot of people handing him briefing bookings. maybe i'm wrong. >> you've seen general flynn and admiral kubik who have been on your shows -- >> but is he reading every day briefing booklets? >> they have substantial people from the hair it aeritage found. >> for a guy who supposedly reads a lot, he tweets about watching tv. >> the way mr. trump learns is he's a person who has conversations. >> so he's not a briefing booklet kind of guy. >> to read a 200-page document when he can get on the phone with the -- >> michelle obama was saying about president obama that he spends every night, whether you like obama or not, he spend every night until 2 a.m. reading huge briefing books. >> one of the criticisms about donald trump is he's willfully ignorant. he play as game. it like a parlor game here. during this interview where he acted like he didn't know what was going on in crimea. cnn ran a package not too long ago where he gave a speech a couple years ago where he talked about putin going into crimea and praised him for doing it and said it was smart for him to go there because that's where all the money is. so, again, here he is praising a dictator who is our enemy. he knows it when it's convenient for him. >> a lot of presidents have different styles. ronald reagan was criticized for not being down in the weeds and jimmy carter criticized for being too much in the weeds. >> and donald trump's short hand is nobody is going to get past me on anything. weak obama, i'm strong, putin's not going anywhere. so he just shoved a bunch of words to the and something was lost in translation. but to your point, the question is when you're being briefed, if you're always -- if strength is always your answers are then -- strength is not always the answer to every question. so the question is where as a president, as a candidate does hillary clinton, does donald trump show their instinct for something that's the opposite of what their main instinct is? 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"washington post" gives her four pinocchi pinocchios. she's selectively -- >> she's at her lawyerly best. on the one hand this is very typical of politicians. after the iraq war and the invasion, you had months and months of bush administration officials who weren't willing to talk directly about whether wmd was in iraq. here in this case you have director comey, who gave hours and hours of testimony on capitol hill, a lot of yeses and nos and double negatives as answers and secretary clinton is going in, sort of taking the answers that work for her and trusting that a lot of people aren't going to be able to really make heads or tails of this. they want to stop the conversation. >> doesn't this fall into the hands of those who say hillary clinton wasn't trustworthy? >> for a woman who picks her words very carefully, it seems odd she's responding to what comey said. >> she does not believe and does not have any cause to believe that e-mails that she sent were classified. those e-mails were generally classified after the fact and she actually i think believes in her heart that she did not -- she made a mistake but she did not do anything that was illegal or wrong. >> she's been patently dishonest her entire career and she's trying to spin it. she will continue to try to spin and pivot all throughout this election. people do not find her to be honest. she is not honest. she has proven that time and time again. >> this is not about being patently dishonest, it's about keeping the focus entirentirely donald trump. >> she also seemed to kind of in the interview pass the blame on to her staff saying i relied on and had every reason to rely on the professionals with whom i worked. is that a valid explanation? >> i think she's fair to say. i looked at the text people, they gave me advice but be clear. in every other interviews, i haven't seen all of this one, but she does take responsibility. she's not a the buck doesn't stop with me kind of person. what's important to note of director comey's testifying before congress were the states that he made clearly, that any of the e-mails that were sent to her that may have been classified were not marked in that way, there was no way she could have known it. so for her to say she never received or sent was true when he was asked when they identifiable, he said no. >> some of the special access program e-mails that she received were clearly classified with the satellite information and all that. the statute says you don't have to have intent, it about negligence. he said she was wrereckless wit this. she said for months she never sent and received and that was clearly untrue. it was clearly untrue that she handed over all her e-mails. direct or comey said there were thousands of work-related e-mails recovered. she lied. >> hillary clinton had the opportunity to get in front of this and she chose not to. she a sit-down interview with wallace and she did the bill clinton thing, "what is is?" it was probably wrong, if not illegal. the fbi director said there was not intent here but intent is not part of the statute. he said he would recommend not prosecuting. his job as the fbi director is to present the evidence to professional to decide if they're going to prosecute. >> the point is at what point is hillary clinton going to take on the trustworthy issue? this would have been a chance to pass the smell test. >> and it would have been an opportunity for donald trump had he not gone down the rabbit hole to focus attention and, yes, again -- >> this would have been a clean hit for him to have taken. >> a far greater question is what is the biggest threat to national security? clinton's e-mails or the fact that donald trump is inciting foreign military intelligence, russian intelligence, to hack her e-mails to get more information? >> that's a ridiculous statement. >> that's exactly what happened. >> she commits a crime, she washes out 30,000 e-mails and doesn't got charged for it. >> they're close in terms of whether registered voters find them honest and trustworthy. >> that cnn poll says it all. who is age to inform the narrative? at this point hillary clinton's campaign is running a pretty smart, on-message campaign. they're not being distracted on what chris wallace is pushing her on and donald trump is having this day after day -- >> we're going to take a break. we're simply out of time. this wednesday night at 9:00 eastern, don't miss or second town hall with new mexico governor gary johnson and his running mate former massachusetts government william we weld. up next, a zika warning in the united states. the cdc are telling people to stay away because mosquitoes have spread the virus to at least 14 people. we'll be right back. and i quit smoking with i'm chantix. i had a lot of doubts going in. i was a smoker. hands down, it was, that's who i was. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix definitely helped reduce my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some had seizures while taking chantix. if you have any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse or of seizures. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you have these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening. tell your doctor if you have heart or blood vessel problems, or develop new or worse symptoms. get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. most common side-affect is nausea. life as a non-smoker is a whole lot of fun. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. a collection for the look of every eye concern. introducing new olay eyes. lift depuff brighten smooth or ultimately all of it. eyes express every emotion, not your age. new olay eyes. ageless. to actually operate my business from everest.de and the surface pro 4 allows me i help clients achieve their dreams. being able to go between having a laptop and having a tablet is really important to me... i couldn't do that with my mac. i love that we as humans can go to the top of the world. it's the durability...the reliability...it's incredible. he wrecked the rec room this summer. his stellar notebooks will last through june. get back to great. this week, these items just one cent each. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. tonight, pregnant women and those attempt tog get pregnant are being urged to stay away from a miami neighborhood stricken by the zika virus. this is the first time the centers for disease control has warned against travel in the continental u.s. because of zika. health officials have found ten new cases in south florida spread by local mosquitos bringing the total to 14. experts have long warned locally transmitted zika would likely come to the u.s. and that day seems to have arrived. dr. sanjay gupta joins us with more. this warning from the cdc, how significant is it? >> well, it's pretty significant. as you just mentioned, it's the first time something like this has ever happened. we checked with the folks at the cdc about that, this notion of warning a particular population of people not to go to a specific american town, that's never happened before. in and of itself, that's significant. of course, it's pregnant women in particular because this virus is so associated with these birth defects. they're saying pregnant women, women who are thinking about getting pregnant, they should just not travel to this particular area. it's about a one by one mile sort of square area right now. my guess is that area is going to grow. we have known zika virus was going to arrive in the united states. we have known it would start spreading locally, that is by mosquitos, so it's probably that area is going to grow. i don't think it will grow quickly or widely but it will grow more than what it is right now. >> what is the cdc suggesting women do who worry about being infected? >> well, they have put an area on it, of course, this area around miami, that one mile square area, and also, a date on it. they are saying if you have been to this area since june 15th, on june 15th or after june 15th, if you are pregnant, you should go get tested. that is really the advice. you should get tested. there are blood tests now, there are also urine tests to try and figure out if you have been infected, if you have been exposed to the virus. if you are someone, this is frightening, certainly, for women who are pregnant, but if they have been tested positive, they are going to then get a series of ultrasounds probably to help monitor the progress of the baby. it by no means is certain that if you have developed the zika infection while pregnant that these birth defects are going to result but there is the possibility. about a 1% to 10% possibility. so the doctor has to be aware of it and monitor the baby's progress. >> why the focus on the small area of florida? do the mosquitos not travel over a wide area? >> yeah, that's exactly right. it's really kind of fascinating. the mosquitos, it's just the female mosquito that's of concern here. they are the ones that bite humans. what we know is they really don't travel more than 150 meters on average. so the cdc in fact could pinpoint this to an even smaller area, about 150 meter radius area, but that's obviously so small that that's why they sort of expanded it to this one mile square area to make sure they are not missing anything. these mosquitos don't travel very far, just like you said. that's part of the reason they can pinpoint this. having said that, south florida, south texas, louisiana, areas that approximate the climate of where i am now here in brazil, those are areas that will be most at risk and we are likely to see local spread of zika in those areas as well. >> the area in florida is an area called wynwood. we will obviously continue to follow this. coming up in "360" will donald trump address his remarks about the parents of the fallen american soldier? 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