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That makes it sound like the cia was not only torturing bad guys like ksm or abu zubaida, but inon sent people. >> youre using the word torture and i would dispute that the people in enhanced interrogation program, that was harsh, brutal tactic. >> youre not disputing that the force-feeding people rectally is torture. >> no, absolutely not. those were abuses. the system was not perfect. there were abuses along the way. >> its more than abuses. they were abhorrent. >> im not going to contest that...

Most schoking to americans. one detainee in the report, the allegation is he froze to death because of the conditions he was kept in. as richard was mentioning, people forced to stand on broken legs. to me, are we seeing a lot of pushback on those specific, horrifying details here? >> no, youre not. and youre not going to. that was a strategic decision, i think, on the agencys part, to not try and defend the propriety or the morality of things like force-feeding people rectally, another thing we...