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they may conclude that, well, if there are some outer perimeter crimes the president commits, maybe he should have immunity for that and the only way we will know, whether any of what donald trump did, should enjoy outer perimeter immunity, is to send it back to the judge, to hold all kinds of evidentiary hearings on whether some of what he did might enjoy some outer perimeter protection . then, it can come back to the supreme court and then we can definitively resolve the case. the reason i am concerned is that it will eat up so much time. donald trump may not be tried and tell 2026. >> speaking of eating up time, i have to have you come back, because this idea of outer perimeter immunity demands its own segment. it defies logic to just leave it here, but thank you both very much for coming back to "the sunday show" .
very small. these are exceptional. >> to answer your question the command up there has been in close contact. the only nypd assistance they asked for us for us to patrol the outer perimeter of the school. >> what about the expected protests -- [inaudible question] . >> exactly where the commissioner said earlier. it will be the same. if there is a protest anywhere we have to respect people's first amendment rights. however, people should be aware that you cross that line and commit a crime the nypd will respond accordingly. we are aware of potential other protests to this popping up but there is that line between first amendment rights and crimes being committed. >> sky news here. >> which of you is the the best to answer this but give us a
city has asked them to do? keep the perimeter. when things go south on the campus, they can move in. why do they keep that bad actors on the campus? why do they keep them there? is it some sort of flex to the rest of the world that everybody is welcome? because jews aren't welcome. it jews aren't welcome, other people are not going to be welcome. they marched with blacks in the '60s. who protects them when something goes wrong? police are really put in a terrible position right now. they will be on the perimeter and when they need to be next to the potential criminals. emily said it. they are telling us. they are telling us they want to kill. they say they are hamas. believe them when they show you who the yard. >> kayleigh: the 1-year-old is still in the hands of hamas. his brother -- maybe they have sold him off. his dad taken on october 7th.
>> harris: we have been watching this, and now the crowds are effective. these are anti-israel protests. we are able to hear according to our team, anti-israel chants. basically saying that they will rise. i'm going to paraphrase here. anti-israel protesting outside of columbia university. you can see the police in the forefront of your screen through they are able to be out with the students outside the perimeter of the school. we were explained in the nypd news conference that you won't see cops there until they were called in for some reason by the university. they have to be there as an act of crime like trespass to intervene. on the flip side, we showed you the pro israel protests led by michael rapaport, the actor. "american reports" now. >> they mark it down to a legal
for slate. how do you think trump's lawyers will be laying out their arguments on thursday? >> well, trump's lawyers will try as hard as possible to claim his interference with the 2020 election was all done under his presidential duties. but he was simply acting as the head of the executive branch trying to ensure there was no voter fraud or any funny business. that all of his actions up to and including allegedly fomenting an insurrection on january 6th, that those were all within what the lawyers say the outer perimeter of his executive responsibilities. and they will claim that because all of these were presidential acts, he is forever immune from any kind of prosecution on the basis of those acts. >> so the ethos of those arguments really boil down to, there is nothing a president can or cannot do that can affect him. >> that's exactly right. during oral arguments at the
be that acts of war are squarely within the constitutional powers given to the president. so instead, the government is arguing here, and they have to be very nuanced, is saying that look, the absolute immunity that this particular defendant is arguing for does not exist. and they will probably be happy to leave for another day, what extent of immunity implies to a former president after he's out of office. because we all agree there are some things for which a former president must be immune from -- criminal prosecution after he leaves office. the government's position is just, it is not what this president did while he was in office. the former president's argument is essentially, it goes back to a nixon era case which is anything he does with any outer perimeter of presidential axes immune forever. the challenge there is that particular case really only applied to civil liability. it hasn't been extended to criminal responsibility. so the bottom line is, we know
expect on the supreme court hearing this week? >> and so jonathan, i'm not so concerned that the supreme court is going to say a president can commit any and all crimes against the people of the united states and violation of the federal laws and do so without complete immunity and immunity from prosecution. i have a greater concern that they are going to be so interested in what they will call outer perimeter immunity, which is not a thing in the criminal law, but it is a thing in the civil law. you know, they may conclude that well if there are some outer perimeter crimes the president commits. maybe he should have immunity for that and the only way we will know whether any of what donald trump did, should enjoy outer perimeter immunity is to send it back, to hold all kinds of hearings on whether some of what he did might enjoy some outer perimeter protection. then it could come back to the
6th, was really acting in presidential capacity, whether he was exercising presidential duties or whether the even enter the outer perimeter of his wrath -- of his presidential duties. if the answer is yes, the supreme court has to decide, and does immunity apply, does it apply to the so-called presidential ask? in particular, do they apply when the president is no longer the president and is a former president? even in those issues, there really five or six issues. it will probably take the court some time to resolve it and they probably won't come out with a decision until late june. on the question of, is it troubling it took so long? yes. i don't think it had to take so long. i think this was a compromise and it's my speculation there were certain justices who said, i don't see why we should expedite this at all and there were other justices who said, let's get this show on the
doesn't have much to do with donald trump or joe biden it's about cryptocurrency and universities, movie stars and millionaires and a whole web of corruption and murder but i think the idea he came with was there's one place where every camera from every media outlet everywhere in the world is going to be at a specific time and i'm going to make sure that i direct them to my theories. it's one of the reasons we don't go deep into what they are or talk a lot about him by name is he's done a terrible thing to himself and his family and you don't want to encourage anybody else, to do it. >> so in terms of access to that location, to being that closed, is is this going to change things i mean, it could it's a public park, but it sits between three courthouses and collect pond park is used by people, especially as the weather gets nicer so is the answer widening the perimeter? >> and if you do that, what do you do with the park behind the courthouse, which is also open
everywhere in the world is going to be at a specific time. i'm going to make sure that i direct them to my theories. it's one of the reasons we don't go deep into what they are or talk a lot about him by name is he's done a terrible thing to himself and his family and you don't want to encourage anybody else, right? to do it. so in terms of access to that location, to being that closed, is going to change things i mean, it could it's a public park, but it sits between three courthouses and collect pond park is used by people, especially as the weather gets nicer. >> so is the answer widening the perimeter? and if you do that, what do you do with the park behind the courthouse? which is also open to the public, or is the answer just posting more police, they're ready to respond rapidly if something occurs, led these likely they're going to sequester these jurors at some point because they're going to be leaving the courthouse every day. what and getting on the subway. i mean what's to stop some weirdo from following? that's a great question. it's an option that's available to courts and what we talk about