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>> you know, matt, bidens campaign was defined by -- speaking of chaos, trump was chaos. im not going to be chaos. were going to be science-focused. were going to be this. i wonder if some might say the expectations are too high that he could govern a polarized environment? >> he wasnt going to say where he was. independents will come back to their general skeptical outlook. i dont think its a panic number. its not a good number. its not what they want. theyve got a lot of time. things are going...

>> matt, bidens campaign was defined by -- speaking of chaos. trump was chaos. im not going to be chaos. were going to be science focused, well be this. i wonder if -- and some might say that the expectations are too high that he could govern a polarized environment? >> he wasnt going to stay where he was. weve seen the last few administrations, independents will come back to their general skeptical outlook. i dont think its a panic number. its not a good number. its not what they want. theyve g...

Trump was chaos. im not going to be chaos. were going to be science focused, well be this. i wonder if some might say the expectations are too high that he could govern a polarized environment? >> he wasnt going to stay where he was. independents will come back to their general skeptical outlook. i dont think its a panic number. its not a good number. its not what they want. theyve got a lot of time. things will change. i think its important to your point, he was elected, given a very wide margi...