not bring charges against the former president because of this pressure campaign. we heard similar things back when he was in the white house, about to be impeached by nancy pelosi's house, democratic house, that the trump white house convinced themselves they'd turned enough democrats to defeat that vote. that was obviously a miscalculation. probably, he is here again. it goes to show that he's more focused on the political aspects of this. in fact, he's anticipating what we know as a perp-walk in the business. that moment when law enforcement brings a newly arrested person past a crew of journalists. trump is imagining, should i smile in front of the camera? how will this resonate with the american public? to be clear, we don't think there will be a perp walk. that's not up to donald trump. it's up to secret service and
it is the perp walk. if donald trump is charged with a crime he will come here to be booked. following a path with a long history. some suspects are escorted in handcuffs by police. others are allowed to stroll in on their own. a number of donald trump's associates had to face their own version of it and in fact, his adviser, rudy giuliani is the one who elevated the perp walk in the 80s and 90s when he was going after mob bosses and drug dealers. he saw it as a useful pr tool. no doubt the media savvy donald trump will want a say in how he turns himself in. that is something his lawyers will need to negotiate with prosecutors. will he enter through the back door and avoid the media circus? or go and seek out the cameras and turn it into a rally? everyone is waiting to see. meanwhile, one of trunk�*s lawyers is
to see him in handcuffs, to see him doing that — to see him in handcuffs, to see him doing that perp walk, if you will, only underscores what he has been saying _ only underscores what he has been saying is— only underscores what he has been saying is that it's a hoax and a witchhunt. the funny thing i would point _ witchhunt. the funny thing i would point out _ witchhunt. the funny thing i would point out to your viewers around the world _ point out to your viewers around the world is— point out to your viewers around the world is that — point out to your viewers around the world is that should president trump be arrested, he would not have been the first— be arrested, he would not have been the first american president to have done so _ the first american president to have done so. ulysses s grant, the war here _ done so. ulysses s grant, the war here from — done so. ulysses s grant, the war here from the civil war here in the states— here from the civil war here in the states was— here from the civil war here in the states was arrested for speeding in downtown washington. what was he speeding _ downtown washington. what was he speeding in? he was speeding in his horse _ speeding in? he was speeding in his horse drawn carriage and was pulled over by— horse drawn carriage and was pulled over by a _ horse drawn carriage and was pulled over by a police, given a misdemeanor.— over by a police, given a misdemeanor. . , ., misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story- _ misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story. i _ misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story. i was _ misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story. i was not _ misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story. i was not expecting i from that story. i was not expecting him i didn't know where you are going with that, i was not expecting that direction. i'm delighted, and there is no wayjack that direction. i'm delighted, and there is no way jack or that direction. i'm delighted, and there is no wayjack or i can top that, so i think we believe the show here. ron, great to have you on. thank you so much as always. and jack, thank you for your thoughts. that is it for me. thank you very much for your company. we will be back at the same
it doesn't feel like there's much left to be done other than asking the grand jury to vote on proposed charges and then, you know, setting up a voluntary surrender so donald trump can make his first court appearance, his arraignment. >> that former federal prosecutor, glenn kirschner giving his take on what we could soon see in the manhattan grand jury hush money investigation. just ahead, we're going to have new reporting on how donald trump is feeling about a potential perp walk, and now this comes as prominent republicans are rallying behind the former president, continuing to brush off the seriousness of the case. and also ahead, we'll break down the important developments to come out of the second day of meetings between chinese president xi jinping and russia's vladimir putin.
you've presented lots of cases to a lot of grand jury's, is there must much left for them to do tomorrow besides voting on an indictment? >> i don't know if we don't know. we do have michael cohen testify twice, we know the bobcats tells testified. -- as a colossal tactical mistake. he's just donald trump tipping his hand as to what costello could've said to a trial jury. we've now preview that for the prosecution, and the prosecution can investigate in the bunk whatever it is costello said. doesn't feel like there's much left to be done either than asking the grand jury to vote on proposed charges. and then setting up a voluntary surrender so donald trump can make his first quarter appearance as arraignment. >> peter baker, your new york times colleagues are reporting the trump is welcoming the idea of a perp walk.
works for donald trump says about how donald trump is feeling. the new york times, which always has an easy time penetrating trump world to get a name for trump sources to talk about donald trump, always makes the mistake, frequently makes the mistake, i should say, of believing them, as the new york times does and what they think is their breaking news report of the night under headline about donald trump's magic thinking. the first sentence is, donald j trump claims he is ready for his perp walk. now that is the correct the way to report that line. we don't know if he's ready. but he claims he is ready. too often, the new york times and others fall into eliminating that distinction. and later, in the same article, the times reports, his aides view the impending indictment and the potential for more to come as an asset for the campaign.
tipping his hand as to what costello could have said to a trial jury. they've now preview that far for the prosecution. and the prosecution can investigate and debunk whatever it is that costello said. it doesn't feel like there's much left to be done on other than asking the grand jury to vote on proposed charges, and setting up a voluntary surrender so donald trump can make his first court appearance his arraignment. >> now, peter baker, your new york times colleagues are reporting that trump is welcoming the idea of a perp walk, that he is disconnected from his potential legal woes and has been spotted zipping around his resort, acting as a dj. that's from the new york times. what is going on with the former president? this >> will be the first time the president trump and his critics agree on something because they are both looking for a perp walk. right? this is something that the president -- has been looking forward to, for a long time. there's a certain mantle
emotion of sadness is not in donald's arsenal. what he is feeling to the extent that he is feeling anything, the self pity. that makes sense. he's also feeling grievance but he feels aggrieved every time he walks into the mar-a-lago dining room and his paid patrons don't pay him sufficient homage, right? so, none of this is new. he has such unlimited range. that -- the fact that they keep asking the people in his inner circle about his state of mind is fascinating. because as you just pointed out they never tell the truth about it. particularly fascinating is this idea that he is seizing this as an opportunity, that he is happy about the so-called perp walk. don't get me wrong, i think it is much more likely that we see him turn himself in so to speak, then then that he dig in his
and he's disconnected for his potential legal woes as been spotted million around his resort, acting as a dj. that is from the new york times. what's going on with the former president? >> this will be the first time that president trump and his critics agree on something. because they're both looking for to a perp walk. something is part of something looking forward to it for a long time. there's a certain amount of bravado here. he feels and indictment it's already cooked into the political system and it could be used to galvanize his base, his core constituents, his voters. look at eli's, to a fundraising appeal, and to fundraising appeal, and fundraising appeal. look, at the coming out to me because a coming out to you. i think if he is telling people he's looking for a perp walk, is because he thinks visual make him look like a visual, and a martyr, and help him politically. >> daniela, i wanna play for you, who -- both the manhattan's da's
timing, and the one thing that really has trying to throw a wrench in all this is the former president's trip to waco, texas, on saturday for his first campaign rally. there are a lot of questions about if that event will happen. and how exactly, they're going to pull that off. all right, christine holmes. thank you. so much more perspective now from two journalists who closely follow trump world. cnn's caitlin collins and cnn political analyst maggie haberman, who is also the new york times senior political correspondent. no one covers trump better than you, too. so thanks for your time tonight, i want to start with some of your reporting maggie that trump is literally preparing for his perp walk. he's actually fixated. on the idea of being paraded out by authorities take us inside. so trump is posturing. a you know a strong stance, right? i'm not afraid he's trying to project strength. he's trying to look as if he is not worried about what is coming now, according to people who know him very well. he has spent decades concerned about the prospect of being arrested literally decades and so it's hard to imagine that you know this is all reality, but he