what i m doing right now is re-dyeing this saddle. reconditioning it, refurbishing it. i cleaned it, restripped it of all the old finish on it. and i put new dye on it. dyeing it black. in here it take me four months. to do a saddle. i will be 70 in a couple months. i ll be in 24 years this june, doing life without. i got a violent crime. this is my sanity here. you know, getting up here, working. you can get your mind off of what prison is and just relax. i just enjoy doing this. it s therapeutic for me. donald pippin meets with dr. holbrook for the last time before he s released from holman. hey. mr. pippin, how are you doing today? good to see you. i wrote my aunt. she wrote back and said i had a place so i m going to stay with her. that s a for sure thing? yeah, that s a for sure
what i m doing right now is re-dyeing this saddle. reconditioning it, refurbishing it. i cleaned it, restripped it of all the old finish on it. and i put new dye on it. dyeing it black. in here it take me four months. to do a saddle. i will be 70 in a couple months. i ll be in 24 years this june, doing life without. i got a violent crime. this is my sanity here. you know, getting up here, working. you can get your mind off of what prison is and just relax. i just enjoy doing this. it s therapeutic for me. donald pippin meets with dr. holbrook for the last time before he s released from holman. hey. mr. pippin, how are you doing today? good to see you. i wrote my aunt. she wrote back and said i had a place so i m going to stay with her. that s a for sure thing? yeah, that s a for sure thing. you can call her.
this sort of old school stove and chimney to let the world know what has happened. it s ripe with symbolism. one of the things that makes such great theater, carol. what confused us, when the smoke started coming out of the chimney, we re thinking what color is it. it looks graeish, and it grgrew darker. we were confused. look, it s part of the again, we use theater, the great sense of drama pointiancy. that s what it s all about. that s what ritual is about. and last night they overwhelmed us, the boom of smoke. no question about it. we were trying to figure out how they created so much smoke. this morning, a tough read. a little reticent. had to step in the fray there. declare it black. had to go forward. eight years ago, when we finally got the white smoke, we
expected him to be elected. there were two leading italian candidates. reporter: of course we re talking about that white and black smoke. what makes it white, what makes it black, they add chemicals. give you a rundown on chemicals. to make black smoke. they add potassium and sulfur. to make white smoke. potassium color rate and lactose and rosen. they used to add tar or hay. how things have changed. you need a chemical engineering degree these days. jon, back to you. jon: wheel look for the white smoke. let us know if you see it. lauren green, thank you. jenna: we ll return to rome momentarily. now to washington, d.c. there is new information to avoid a government shutdown. the senate is considering a broader version of the house bill just passed to keep the government up and running the next several months. there are questions whether the house will pass what is being described as a new hybrid measure. doug mckelway is live on
church of the 12 apostles. and there s one of the dark horse candidates, boston s sean o malley. could he be the first american pope? let us pray that the holy spirit illumen the church to use a new pope who will confirm us in our faith, and make more visible the love that we cherish. reporter: the public politicking nearly over. once the conclave starts the cardinals go into deep seclusion until a decision is made. and now what you re looking at are those burgundy curtains, and that balcony. that is where the pope, once he is named by the conclave, will meet the tens of thousands of people here at the basilica. and millions of people around the world. 1.3 billion catholics waiting for this decision to be made. the bell that will ring, just so i can orient you here. sistine chapel over there. the bell that will ring, that will indicate the new pope is right there. the column with the smoke coming out of the sistine chapel, is it black, is it white, is it gray?