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Happened here in the u.s.? >> oh, no, i dont think it happened here in the u.s. i certainly think it happened at -- it started long ago over there in pakistan and i do believe its been my feeling from early on that she was probably a catalyst to his further radicalization. he was radicalizing -- self-radicalizing on the internet to some extent and she was a catalyst in his -- in the final phases of his accelerated radicalization towards the -- as they got closer to the time of the attack. >> so ...