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That is correct. You explained earlier that your job in the white house was to coordinate United States and Ukraine Policy, is that right . It is to coordinate United States policy visavis ukraine, correct. You testified in the spring of this year that these officials, these ukrainian officials began asking you, quote, advice on how to respond to mr. Giulianis advances, end quote. Is that correct . That is correct. What do you understand they meant by mr. Giulianis advances . I understood that t...

Never a one-on-one. but there were a couple of, again, touch points. so the bilateral meeting, handshake, meet and greet, he had a short -- >> so there was a lot of people in the room when you met with them? >> thats right. >> you still advised the ukrainian president to watch out for the russians? >> yes. >> and that was -- that was -- and everybody else in the room, im assuming, the national security adviser was there, i believe, in this case you had other members of the administration. were y...