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Vindmans comments and do you believe milley violated the principle of civilian control over the military based on the report in this book? >> oh, vindmans comment is shameful. its astonishing particularly coming from him being in the middle of what in essence was a lawless administration but set that aside. its not terribly important. what is important is not just -- look, the background that the dod spokesman put out is correct. routinely, the chiefs of services, the chairman of the jfcs have r...