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February 14, 2019
In the conduct they alleged he engaged in turning over polling data, my sense it has little to do with politics and a lot to do with him saving his own skin. >> that is a possibility. this incredibly cinematic meeting with kilimnik in this semiseedy cigar bar which is on the top of 666 fifth avenue, rudy giuliani is a regular there, its like this crazy new york place. this is the place they decide to meet. and the question is, is manafort meeting with kilimnik to regenerate his own personal busi...
February 14, 2019
Its not irrelevant that all of this seems to involve the russian. this is a figure who is indecrei uncredibly important to the investigation, we think. this is a figure that we know from paul manaforts inability to use technology correctly, that he leaked polling data to in the midst of the campaign. and we also know that bob mueller in court filings has assessed that u.s. intelligence believes that this is someone who is tied to russian intelligence in the midst of 2016. so this is in many ways...
February 14, 2019
H who is right and who is wrong? you see it now. the judge used the right standard. it is laid out. that is the process. its in the record as fact. heres what i dont get. the meetings werent illegal. they were not even arguably a problem for him. why lie about them? i get lying about the payments. i get lying about the money transfers and stuff like that. he was trying to cover his tracks from attacks and ve investigative perspective but why did he lie about these things? >> thats the question. ...
February 14, 2019
Thats the intriguing part. the question is, is it the sanctions discussion that went on? what could be worth it to take this kind of risk? >> jim, to that point, its the same question i asked senator blumenthal. why would he lie, and why would all thee people lie after having these kind of meetings? >> in manaforts case, we dont know the answer to that. in manaforts case its been alleged he had ties to russians, that hes worked with russian operatives in the past and that he may have owed some o...
February 14, 2019
He lied about his contacts, about his communications with kilimnik. and this is what has so troubled i think the special counsel and the fbi throughout this entire investigation. >> so what does this do? weve been saying all along collusion is not a crime, its just a term, right? so what does this mean for the potential of that, michael? >> you know, we would talk about this, we dont have delusional, we do have conspiracy. if you think about a bicycle wheel and youve got the spokes of the wheel ...
February 14, 2019
Outside. this is what they are looking at. this is a central part of it. this is a judge who looked at the evidence from a special prosecutor. that is significant that this judge is saying he would lie about central parts of the investigation. as we know, it came to light that he allegedly handed over a polling data to this mantied to russian intel. that is important. why is the big question. his lawyers say he never intentionally lied. not only do you have manafort and others you pointed to, bu...
February 14, 2019
To him. i think if he was trying to protect something, someone, thats worth protecting, keeping that information out. that would help him get a pardon if its known that he was trying to protect that. going the pardon route as a hail mary pass at anytime and particularly with this president though he by-passes the normal process, you just dont know what hes going to do. thats not much of a strategy but is something always lurking in the background for him. >> senator blumenthal, do you have a tho...
February 14, 2019
Paul manafort? >> jim is raising a legitimate question. think about how far this investigation has come. here you have the campaign chairman, not a flunky, the coffee boy, giving someone who is close to russian intelligence information that is the gold, the most expensively produced product of the trump campaign, private polling. which they can use in social media. that is closing the circle potentially between the trump campaign and russian interests which is collusion. >> lets talk about bowli...
February 14, 2019
>> take this as a down payment, go into the defense bill and move money around and build this damn wall. this is new day with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning and welcome to your new day. alisyn is off. erika hill joins me. happy valentines day. we have candy for everybody. >> youre a giver, john berman. >> sweaty m&ms. >> im going to save that for later. >> as the presidents lawyer rudy giuliani always says, its not a crime to lie to the media. what is a crime? lying to the fb...
February 14, 2019
>> lets hone in on manafort lying about his interactions with kilimnik. again, manafort was the campaign chairman, right? and kilimnik is a russian associate who shared campaign polling data -- he shared polling data with. why lie about that? who is he protecting? >> hes tied to russian intelligence too. isnt kilimnik -- hes got ties to russian intel. hes got ties to oleg deripaska, who is an incredibly powerful oligarch. you know, people who have crossed russian intelligence, some of them have ...