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Transcripts For BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240703

Let me begin with something you said just last month, europe, you said, has just a few years to change its thinking from the la la land of post cold war complacency. What is this la la land youre talking about . It is, i think, probably, in international relations, there is, or was, a time when a big change happens 1918, 1945, 1989 and 1989 was for me and many of my kin the end of history. The thought that all 200 Member States in the world would revert to the best form of governance, which is democracy, Market Economy and globalisation. But that ended, in my mind, in February 2022, when putin attacked ukraine. All the International Institutions, rules, are being challenged, so the la la land that we used to live in does not exist anymore, and we have to readjust. In the most literal sense, you seem to be saying that europe needs to learn from some of the things that finland does, in terms of preparation and readiness for the worst case scenario. For example, this country, although it

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