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ourselves. how's that for a switch? i have no idea. all i can tell you is erskine and i stay in it. we're stubborn, we're very savvy and clever of course. they can scoff all they want, but either forget the fact you're a democrat or republican and get to be an american and get cracking. >> erskine, do you need the president to support this? you probably heard us having this conversation. the white house in the post-on simpson-bowles was he can't get too far out there because the more he puts his own name on it, the more it'll scare away republicans. is there spin or truth? >> there's absolute truth to it, but leaders have to lead. we need him out front. he's got his big mega-phone. i think he supports a framework in any case, so he might as well step up and get behind it.