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>> no. >> so there is no scenario in which a partial negotiation happens now, the bigger picture in the fall? >> no. >> reporter: thats a pretty definitive no there, chris. were still in this posturing stage ahead of this meeting, where everyone has dug in in their positions. the white house saying they dont want to negotiate on debt at all. the no from mccarthy is interesting. what hes said is about trying to get in the room and have these negotiations and that same interview he made a point to...

For a permanent daca fix. so no longer is this an immortality that we can even countenance, it is part of a broader negotiation. the fact this this is all happening in public means we are still at the posturing stage, but that to me is some movement. >> yeah, and heidi przybyla, what are you looking at today in terms of how democrats will be moving forward with this and at this point where does the state of the union stand? >> mika, i reached out to some moderate democrats in the senate because ...

The fact that this is all happening in public means were still at the posturing stage. >> at this point where does the state of the union stand? >> i reached out to some moderate democrats in the senate because clearly this was an attempt to move this issue over to the senate. my reporting is that mitch mcconnell picked up the phone and called the president and said, look, nancy pelosi is not going to budge on this, you need to shake things up. thats why the proposal came to move this to the sen...

Blamed, of course. but, still, they do feel like we talked about taxes. were done with that conversation. lets move on. i think taxes are probably going to be off the table. and that also means tax reform is off the table which is a shame. >> the president has also said, perry, he wont even talk about the debt ceiling. wont negotiate over paying bills that, you know, money weve already spent. so when do they start talking? and what do they start talking about? if the lines in the sand are being ...

Harry reid saying we did our job months ago. do you think we til would posturing stage at the end of that white house meeting tomorrow? >> in your introduction you made the fundamental point here which is that this agreement before the end of the year, simply cannot go forward unless john by nor is willing to let it do so with majority democrats in the house. if we go over the curve as you put it, they can vote for a large tax decrease becaused off of the new rates that would be reset.

Negotiations, ran the gauntlet this morning. he appeared on all five sunday talk shows, including "meet the press" of course, what else did he say? >> craig, you know if were in the posturing stage and a lot of people think were still in the posturing stage with, 29 or 30 days to go. we better hope that theyre just posturing, because after the period of optimism, the post-election talk of compromise, you remember john boehner came out the day after the election, the president spoke about comprom...

Country back into recession? its insane. >> perry, your latest piece you write about this with president obama "his opening bid to resolve the so-called fiscal cliff was effectively a poison pill. it was a liberals dream and a nonstarter for congressional republicans. and it suggested the president may be employing a different, more assertive negotiating style in his second term." what kind of negotiating style are you referring to? >> like dana is saying, were in the posturing stage of this rig...

Around the 1 trillion, 1.2 trillion trillion 800 billion zone. in 2011 he and john boehner had a deficit deal on the table that a lot of democrats didnt like. right now hes gaining democratic support even more than at the campaign. this proposal democrats alike, there was a meeting on the hill about the proposal. democrats were delighted. you saw john boehner complaining about it. thats what the president wants because were in the posturing stage in two weeks well be closer to actual where the r...

That doesnt mean the posturing stage is behind us. one capitol hill veteran, former fdic, sheila bair, a long-time staffer by the way who butted heads with geithner in the past, made this interesting observation to david gregory about tim geithner saying hes not the right guy for the white house to be sending in for these talks. >> do you think tim geithner, secretary geithner is the right person to lead the negotiations for the administration sf. >> i dont know. i dont think this is tims strong...