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Pote potentialally the former vice president not certifying electric tort votes. he is certainly a witness and makes sense and i think the vice president has limited options to escape giving testimony. >> yeah, thats an interesting note. the january 6th committee failed to get his testimony. do you think a subpoena could be in play if pence decides he wants to fight this? >> yeah, big difference between a grand jury subpoena coming out of a criminal investigation and a congressional subpoena. so...