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And the only thing that is going to happen is, for the russians, frustrated in their ability to accomplish their mission. unable to do so because they are not particularly skilled, have poor general ship, they have conscripts who are not performing well, their mid level management and kernels, the regimental commanders are doing very very poorly. their default situation is to become more brutal, and there will be a lot more brutality coming. >> and joe, let me bring in to this conversation, you ...