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Were democrats and what they were fighting for and the that its possible to make a strong argument for it. >> for the democratic position? >> yeah. >> i think the emotional argument there is actually quite clever because, i mean, the most soporophic moment of the debate is where paul ryan receded into numbers. hes a bit wonky. that is more effective. i was with people who were nerdy about this stuff during the debate and everyone was sort of looking around. good god, ryan. looking at the counter...