Preserving Roe News Today

Case is where we start today. joyce vance is here at the table. also at the table, john heilemann, nbc news and nbc national affairs analyst as well as the host of the hell and high podcast. and -- >> take me through where this ended today. >> where this ended is an interesting question. it is just the right one to start with. the question is, if roe and casey dont survive, what comes next? it seems unlikely with the 6-3 conservative majority that roe and casey will survive as they currently exi...

Roberts did. times reports, quote, assuming the three most conservative members of the court, justices alito, thomas, and gorsuch are prepared to overrule roe entirely chief justice roberts would need to i a tract two votes for narrower opinion, one upholing mississippi law but not overruling roe in so many wore to be controlling. but justices kavanaugh and coney barrett said little to incline they were inclined toward the narrowing approach. justices ryan, kagan, and society myiar, the liberal ...

It back to john heilemanns point. we are in the same place except the republicans on the supreme court are not the same as the republican appointees on that supreme court. these republican appointed justices do not appear open to the possibility of preserving precedent. of preserving roe. so we are just talking about how badly it will be decimated. to come back to justice sotomayors point, what do they do about the stench of now being clearly seeing and acting as a political body. >> i think its...

Seen instances where they ask tone deaf questions and what they are trying to tease out an answer -- they cant make their point of view, and they ask questions where they know the answer is going to be and they are trying to get the answer on the record. i dont know if thats the case in this ep stance but i have seen that many times on the supreme court. >> the justices are looking for is there an intermediatia standard because mississippi is now in a full-on way saying it is time to reverse roe...

Picking the side that says if the legislature decides a women shunt have the right to determine their own future in terms of pregnant that a state legislature can take it away from them. of course we saw the map that you put up. its not like there is an even sprinkling across the country. if roe versus weighed is reversed there will be parts particularly in the deep south of the country where women will have to travel hundreds of miles to access something thats prfl been deemed a substantive rig...

America would probably say this right is a more central right. now we are only analyzing this in terms of politics. not wrongly. you think back to roe, it was 7-2 decision? a 7-2 discussion. who was on the court, chief justiceberger, a nixon appointee. justice blackmon, a nixon appointee. justice powell, a nixon appointee. stewart, an eisenhower appointee. all of these people were republican appointees. that was what conservative used to mean in the judicial sense. they voted some ways in ways c...

To maintain a fleck of a hope roev weighed would survive. >> you agree? >> i do. as a woman, it effectsly differently. not me anymore, but i have a daughter who is still in our 20s. i try not to think about just the legal aspect of this, sometimes as lawyers we hide behind the legal arguments when the going is rough or personal. here today it looked like the court was about to tell women, you know, you are no longer full partners in society. you are second-class citizens. and mississippi made th...

Decision, which important for our full democracy. it allows us to rely on the facts that the court will poll precedent, wont sway left to right depending on who is president or who is in congress and that there have to be really special circumstances -- none of which are present here. that is what is so unusual in this argument. they werent just asking about precedent in stary zisis. several times they said assume this is a matter of first impression, assume we are deciding this for the first ti...

Weighed and then essentially futuring its protections. >> we are having a hard time with our ability to play this. i want to read some of this. your first words out your mouth were if we overturn roe and casey. they all went before the united states senate and neither said they would overturn roe and casey. how did we get there. >> i think thats a contegsing virginia tech for judges to try the duck answering how they would rule cases if they appeared before them. in the cases that may have been ...

Gamut between claiming there is no constitutional right to abortion to pressing why 15 weeks was enough time to figure out if you need an abortion. attorney julie reichelman and u.s. slisor general -- preologua pushed back reminding the supreme court a 15-week ban would cut the current time period nearly in half, mepging the stakes of their ruling. >> the real world effects of overruling roe and casey would be severe and swift. if this court renounces the liberty interest recognized in roe and r...