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He were to get into -- leland: well, he landed a pretty big punch on the guy who went after him about his son. >> exactly. and thats why i think he did it. i think that was going after his weakness. i actually thought that was a pretty good day for him. some other people thought it wasnt, but i thought it showed him, you know, standing up, pushing back, all this kind of stuff which is where i think his political weak is rather than is he centrist enough. leland: view that as a preview potential ...