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Weve heard about the trump junior meeting, rick, with everybody else who was there, amounts to anything conspiratorial. i dont know if they have proof that he conspired to commit a crime. i dont know that it gets that car. but it certainly creates a case for special need, thats a defined term under the law that they defined in the espy case, for the special counsel to need to interview the president, because of too many competing stories. i cant get to his intent with all these different threads...

Process him. what do you say to that? >> well, whats material about whether the president dictated a statement or he didnt to whether there was collusion between the trump campaign and the russians? >> because its a lie. okay. >> why would you lie? >> it may have been a lie, it may have been a mistake, we dont know. the point is, theres no material evidence thats being presented that that statement had anything to do with collusion with the russians. this is well after the fact. this is about sh...