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Find ways to really improve these communities, not just these handouts that really havent -- theyve hurt these communities. and i feel passionately about this. >> sat down in those communities -- >> no -- >> quickly, bacarri. i have to get to a break. >> this is the fundamental difference in philosophies that we have. because one i dont know anybody who wants to be poor. two, i dont know anybody who wants to be on welfare and most african americans, this is not a discussion about compassion beca...

We want the same opportunity to play on the same playing field. this is not about getting handouts. >> i agree, bacarri. >> thats not what you just said though. >> i fault the government. i dont fault them. >> right, thats the argument. but we cant have that discussion, thats the difference in how our approach versus the government programs versus private programs, nonprofits, different ways to try to have those hands up. or ladders of opportunity. we cant have that discussion reasonably when do...