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What might that due to the conversation moving forward? >> on the scorched earth policy and yes, absolutely. that is their mo and that is th way that russian forces have taken the pass past that we sought in chechnya and syria an they are now doing the same thing to city after city of in ukraine. theyre destroying it so that they can essentially own it. now obviously that from a degrading point of view but it comes to these talks, the has t stop. they want a cease-fire. big ukrainian side setbac...