about a series of meetings manafort had with the russian political consultant with ties to russian intelligence. those meeting ing began when manafort was trump's campaign manager in 2016 and continued through 2018, the second year of the trump presidency. during those conversations, prosecutors say manafort and kilimnik repeatedly communicated about a so-called peace plan for ukraine starting in early august 2016. why manafort was misleading them, misleading the properties c -- prosecutors, why that was so important he said this goes to the larger view of what we think is going on and what we think the motive here is. this goes, i think, very much to the heart of what the special counsel's office is investigating. and joining us now, glen