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Same thing as defeating russia. when does not necessarily require the other. you and i were warning against the u.s. getting involved in an afghanistan style proxy war against russia that could increase the chance of nuclear war. some people didnt like we had to say. they thought we were saying, we were exaggerating that this was a proxy war. we were misrepresenting it. but i want to listen to democratic -- some moulton speaking on fox the other day. >> at the end of the day, weve got to realize...

Putins psychology, that really, i mean, we really, it seems, are in effectively a proxy war. >> well, we crossed a threshold over the last ten days. >> yeah. >> we were initially reactive. we responded by providing humanitarian aid, arms and so forth to allow the ukrainians to stand up for themselves. we crossed a threshold in saying were -- we want to weaken russia. that ukraine, independent and sovereign, will long outlast vladimir putin. were now proactive. the $33 billion requested by presid...

As he has argued before, a proxy war by nato and the u.s. through ukrainian forces against russia. >> okay, so if hes not going to declare war or a mass mobilization or something, he does presume bewant to announce a victory of some kind. but given the russian troops so far havent made any major gains, how do you think hell spin it? >> reporter: it seems the best theyll be able to say is that they have taken mariupol, from what were hearing from the progress of russian troops on the ground. weve...

This is, in explaining that this is happening, the u.s. begins to reveal how it gets information about russia. the actual intelligence that is used for other purposes. not just ukraine. and that could be a concern for the u.s. >> it seems that the concern here is that theres no strategic reason to reveal -- look, the intelligence, according to the united states, they have said its not designed to help kill russian generals, but its designed to help ukraine win, if that involves killing russian g...

The black sea. this comes after "the new york times" reports u.s. intelligence is helping ukraine locate russian generals that ukraine then kills. it does seem like the biden administration is in this weird dance of semantics in terms of this intelligence and in terms of what the u.s. and the biden administration acknowledge the intelligence is doing. so, the u.s. is supplying deadly weapons, financial aid, intelligence that allows ukraine to kill russians. at what point is this just a proxy war...

They have to be worried about that. >> quick final question, are we in a proxy war with russia? >> we are not no. we are in a position of helping ukraine defend itself against a direct russian attack on ukraine. so, this is not about two super powers sitting off somewhere and having their minions go fight a war against each other. this is russia directly involved in trying to exterminate ukraine, calling them nazis and ukrainians defending themselves and getting a lot of support from the rest of...

>> ill get to that in a minute. i feel very strongly about we are just talking about. yes, -- i just talk to ukrainians about it today, and senior white house officials today, and the russians today. yes, we should help the ukrainians with intelligence, but no, with all due respect, we should not be talking to peter baker and his friends about it. one, and makes the sound like a war, which is exactly what putin wants to tell the world. not just as people, but the world, that this is a proxy war....

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And its incredibly dangerous. especially to the extent, as you report, i think correctly speculated on, what if putin says, well, if this is a proxy war, and of the u.s. is targeting us, then the u.s. under nato allies outside of ukraine are fair game. they are targets. so, i dont think that we should be reporting on what our solid intelligence is or is not doing with ukraine. number, one and number two, john kirby, the spokesperson for the pentagon completely agree with. this what way overstate...

On the front page of the "new york times" but that the united states in addition to the hardware, the military hardware that it is providing is also giving training and intelligence to the ukrainian military. >> yes, and i think many of us have known that for a long time. and it is great, it is part of the war effort. and it is completely wrong to talk about it to "the new york times" or nbc. im sorry. what is the u.s. military security objective of doing it? all it does is fuel the flame inside...