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Co-producer of "the inconvenient truth" behind "waiting for superman." and james merriman. whenever you get charter school stuff, the hardest thing is to look into the faces after those kids like they were at the rally in the ad and be like, sorry, kids, were giving you the ax. >> look into the face of the kids at ps-30, and ps-149 who have had to share space with eva moskowits empire. look at the music space that lost its program, the theater program, the physical therapy program that lost its ...

Superman." and james merriman. whenever you get charter school stuff, the hardest thing is to look into the faces after those kids like they were at the rally in the ad and be like, sorry, kids, were giving you the ax. >> look into the face of the kids at ps-30, and ps-149 who have had to share space with eva moskowitzs empire. look at the music space that lost its program, the theater program, the physical therapy program that lost its space. >> youre saying there are losers we arent seeing fro...

Joining me now, new york city schoolteacher brian jones, co-producer of "the inconvenient truth" behind "waiting for superman." and james merriman. whenever you get charter school stuff, the hardest thing is to look into the faces after those kids like they were at the rally in the ad and be like, sorry, kids, were giving you the ax. >> look into the face of the kids at ps-30, and ps-149 who have had to share space with eva moskowitzs empire. look at the music space that lost its program, the th...

Had a mustache. >> dana: you said you got homesick? >> greg: i did. it hated every day. i didnt like it. >> dana: i love camp. you went to camp. >> eric: i went to basketball camp every summer. >> dana: you ship your kid off to summer camp for six weeks in the summer. >> eric: the most depressing day of my year. >> greg: but he is ecstatic. >> dana: what camp does he go to? >> eric: all sports. >> dana: are you a camper? >> bob: no. i was thrown out of the boy scouts. >> eric: for what? >> andre...

Had a mustache. >> dana: you said you got homesick? >> greg: i did. it hated every day. i didnt like it. >> dana: i love camp. you went to camp. >> eric: i went to basketball camp every summer. >> dana: you ship your kid off to summer camp for six weeks in the summer. >> eric: the most depressing day of my year. >> greg: but he is ecstatic. >> dana: what camp does he go to? >> eric: all sports. >> dana: are you a camper? >> bob: no. i was thrown out of the boy scouts. >> eric: for what? >> andre...

What are the big ideas now that you think are working? >> some of that polarization is good, by the way. say one word for tests. if we dont do the tests we dont know what tavis just reported. you have to do the tests to find out how the patient is doing. when you do the test, you find out in the n.a.t.e. scores, 53% of black fourth graders cannot read at a basic leve that is a national disgrace and that needs to be shouted from the rooftops, particularly since were spending a lot more money on e...

Is really behind reform. thats taken hold. now weve gotten into a prepolarized place, even in education reform. so what are the big ideas now that you think are working? >> some of that polarization is good, by the way. let me say one word for tests. if we dont do the test, you dont know. you have to do the test to find out how the patient is doing. when you do the test, you find out in the n.a.t.e. scores, 53% of black fourth graders cannot read at a basic level. it is a national disgrace that ...